FlyTheNest

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:49 pm**

frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:51 pm**

Goodnight, Ohso!

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:53 pm**

SpinningHugo wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.

Agreed. I can see why Cameron wanted his paxo stuffing before the gentle Q&A.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:57 pm**

Goodnight Ohso – enjoy your book.

At least we'll have seen some of the manifestos by the time of the next debate, so there'll be a bit more meat to get into on future plans.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:58 pm**

Hello, again.

I'm so angry over all the Kate Burley ("Your poor Mum!") crap that I had to get out of bed and come here to see you lot to calm down.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:58 pm**

LadyCentauria wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...

I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:00 pm**

StephenDolan wrote:Miliband handled Paxman pretty well, the whole 'what should the population limit be'? was a bit ridiculous.

It was monumentally stupid. What was he trying to suggest we have? A cull of excess humans? Chinese-style birth controls?

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:01 pm**

SpinningHugo wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.

Badly worded by me. I meant.
Pax 1 Cam 0
Aud v Cam called off by deferential KB
Pax 1 Mil 1
Aud 1 Mil 1 Referee was bent.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:02 pm**

At the G, Farage has spoken.

Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance, giving him 7/10 against Cameron’s 4/10, Rowena Mason reports.

“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited.”

Before adding, another pint, don't mind if I do.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:06 pm**

So Paxman's weakness all these years was to be told to 'hold on a second' when he interrupts.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:07 pm**

diGriz wrote:So Paxman's weakness all these years was to be told to 'hold on a second' when he interrupts.

Yeah, who knew (maybe AC?)

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:10 pm**

Guardian poll calls it for Cameron in every category. Oh what a surprise.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... ve-updates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:12 pm**

The Twitter reaction is interesting. The way Miliband was questioned and how he answered (and that snide dig by Paxman right at the end) has generated a lot of sympathetic tweets for Miliband. If nothing else fighting back against Paxman has put that 'weak' nonsense to bed.

Speaking of bed...

Goodnight everyone.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:14 pm**

Just before I go... this made me laugh.

Larry Spuddles ‏@LarrySpuddles 7 mins7 minutes ago
In summary #BattleForNumber10 Cameron didn't know how much the UK borrowed and Miliband's tougher than Chuck Norris. #HellYeah

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:15 pm**

Goodnight, Spacedone

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:15 pm**

Pretty much everyone they spoke to on Sky after the interview gave it to Miliband.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:17 pm**

More from the ICM poll.

Only 8% of those polled overall indicated that they were likely to have changed their mind about how they would vote at the election on the basis of what they saw tonight.

Amongst those, 56% said they would now vote Labour. And just 30% said they were now backing the Conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... 0a7c43a7af" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:18 pm**

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...
I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?

Done.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:20 pm**

Goodnight Spacedone x

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:21 pm**

diGriz wrote:Pretty much everyone they spoke to on Sky after the interview gave it to Miliband.

It's a win for Miliband. Look at the guy currently leading the Tory party.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:23 pm**

I didn't watch it.
I was reading Hansard.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:23 pm**

refitman wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote: Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...
I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?
Done.

And I've suggested that we might crowd fund her airfare.

Well, a very bad day at the office for Dave, and a pretty decent one for Ed. Will be curious to hear what my Daily Mail reading workmates thought of the debate, none of them are complimentary about Cameron anyway; based on recent conversations I reckon Ed probably picked up at least three more votes tonight .... every little helps.

Night all.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:25 pm**

A 54-46 margin for Cameron is actually pretty poor compared to how he usually scores in a "straight choice" with Ed. Backs up that EM actually "won" comfortably on the night

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:26 pm**

@ Spacedone

Goodnight. And to ohsocynical (if you're loitering). I'm not still up when you're going to bed, as a rule, and you always say night night to me!

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:26 pm**

Goodnight, Grim x

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:28 pm**

Looking at the #BattleForNumber10 trend on twitter, again very pro-Miliband.

Paxman and Burley's bias may well have done him big favours.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:28 pm**

LadyCentauria wrote:Goodnight, Grim x

And from me. This is a very strange feeling!

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:29 pm**

Still not gone to bed... going to regret it in the morning...

Here's that new Labour election poster you wanted. It seems that we're not alone in thinking this would be a good idea.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:31 pm**

diGriz wrote:Looking at the #BattleForNumber10 trend on twitter, again very pro-Miliband.

Paxman and Burley's bias may well have done him big favours.

It may well have done. People might have had their eyes opened a bit having seen the bias in the flesh, so to speak.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:33 pm**

Goodnight, TGS

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:33 pm**

Spacedone wrote:Still not gone to bed... going to regret it in the morning...

Here's that new Labour election poster you wanted. It seems that we're not alone in thinking this would be a good idea.

Well, if you think I'm tucking you in again you've got another think coming . . .

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:36 pm**

There is now reported to be a YouGov "quickie" showing a virtual tie - Cameron ahead of Miliband by just 51-49.

If the PM can only manage neck and neck on this stuff, he is in real bother - what was that about Crosby's "presidential" campaign?

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:37 pm**

Ok last post of the night. I've snuck downstairs and Porfavor is cross with me...

Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 4 mins4 minutes ago
Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:45 pm**

Am I the last one here?

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:45 pm**

As always insightful stuff from AC on twitter.

That @David_Cameron team can waste so much time +energy trying to screw John Bercow shows 1. Nasty party. 2. Not focused on winning election
7:54pm - 26 Mar 15

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:50 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?

You don't know the late night job roles do you? You have to lay the table for breakfast, feed the cats, check whether we need a note for the milkman...

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:52 pm**

Those American-isms - the "hell yeah" from Ed...he spent time there as a kid and then again from 2002-4 lecturing.

Hardly a surprise that he's picked some of these up. More likely than it coming from his media chap.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:55 pm**

Spacedone wrote:Ok last post of the night. I've snuck downstairs and Porfavor is cross with me...

Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 4 mins4 minutes ago
Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.

I spotted that too. Cameron lectured and the audience listened. It was very static. When Ed came on there were some hostile questions but he still interacted, had a conversation, rather than get defensive and as a result the audience became involved, they reacted. It was more enjoyable, Ed put on more of a show and judging by twitter that's what came across. Suddenly the whole "Mr Prime Minister" thing from the start of the show seemed so prim and unnecessarily formal. The oldies may prefer it, but Ed's much more likely to engage younger voters. If only all those people on twitter were to register and go out and vote it would really make a difference, but will they?

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:57 pm**

I think it's safe to go back to bed now where, hopefully, I won't worry the cat (as I did earlier).

Goodnight, everyone.

Posted: **Thu 26 Mar, 2015 11:59 pm**

PorFavor wrote:I think it's safe to go back to bed now where, hopefully, I won't worry the cat (as I did earlier).

Goodnight, everyone.

Goodnight, PF. I'm signing off.
love
cJA

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 12:00 am**

PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?

Nope, I, the ever-lurker, am lurking while I clean up after work and make some supper sarnies.

So don't worry, you aren't alone!

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 12:02 am**

Stuart Rose busy trying to justify the Cameron "refreshing and honest" on the serving only a second term bit.

Shame that Portillo is there to tell him that it's nonsense. There has to be a leadership election prior to 2020...it simply won't be the case that Cameron serves every day of the second term - even if he gets elected in May which isn't certain anyway.

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 12:06 am**

Oh, Andrew Neil has just reminded us that Stuart Rose was supposed to deliver a report on the NHS - apparently he's been asked to do further work so it probably won't appear before the election.

Fancy that...

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 1:19 am**

adam wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?
You don't know the late night job roles do you? You have to lay the table for breakfast, feed the cats, check whether we need a note for the milkman...

... then muck out, groom, and feed the Guardvarks and help them on with their armour and boots before night patrol...

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 1:22 am**

Goodnight PF & cJA – sweet dreams x

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 1:49 am**

@LadyCentauria

I'll pencil you in before bed, so a belated HB.

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 1:53 am**

Thanks utopiandreams

x

Posted: **Fri 27 Mar, 2015 1:54 am**

Right, off home to bed, but I'll leave you with a little oddity - a Telegraph ode to bureaucracy!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/trave ... ravel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't get your hopes up though, it is both an ode to a better past and a grumble about those damned Europeans. Made me smile though, especially as a couple of years ago we drove from Belgium into France, and rather wonderfully, the old border control buildings had been left across the motorway, so you had to slow momentarily, but still sped unimpeded between nations.

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