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Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 1:42 pm**

From BTL on the G question and answer piece with the Green party's Martin Dobson. http://www.theguardian.com/culture/live ... tin-dobson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Martin Liptrot 2h ago
Do you regret recruiting your social media campaigner, was it just a huge error of judgement?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... er-8917100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The risks associated with a fast growing party in evidence again ... not sure why this activist was working on behalf of the Greens given how far away from their stated values and principles the images he posted in a personal capacity were ... caught up in the surge rather than the substance?

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 1:44 pm**

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 22s22 seconds ago
Pre-debate YouGov Welsh poll

Lab 40% (nc)
Con 27% (+2)
UKIP 13% (-1)
PC 9% (-2)
LD 6% (+1)

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 1:45 pm**

rebeccariots2 wrote:From BTL on the G question and answer piece with the Green party's Martin Dobson. http://www.theguardian.com/culture/live ... tin-dobson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Martin Liptrot 2h ago
Do you regret recruiting your social media campaigner, was it just a huge error of judgement?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... er-8917100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The risks associated with a fast growing party in evidence again ... not sure why this activist was working on behalf of the Greens given how far away from their stated values and principles the images he posted in a personal capacity were ... caught up in the surge rather than the substance?

Yuk, not sure which is worse, the upskirt pic or him posing with guns.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 1:50 pm**

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:From BTL on the G question and answer piece with the Green party's Martin Dobson. http://www.theguardian.com/culture/live ... tin-dobson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Martin Liptrot 2h ago
Do you regret recruiting your social media campaigner, was it just a huge error of judgement?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... er-8917100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The risks associated with a fast growing party in evidence again ... not sure why this activist was working on behalf of the Greens given how far away from their stated values and principles the images he posted in a personal capacity were ... caught up in the surge rather than the substance?

Yuk, not sure which is worse, the upskirt pic or him posing with guns.

Quite.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 1:51 pm**

From BTL at the Guardian

captaincoveman:

Osborne is now officially the "Vatman" and Cameron is "Robbin' ".

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:03 pm**

Ed Balls warns of secret Conservative plan to raise VAT by 2p

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw

Bloody hell that is going to cause hardship. Although Food, books and children's clothing is excluded, making and producing what we eat and wear is. Prices will go up across the board.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:11 pm**

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 31 mins31 minutes ago
Pre-debate YouGov Scotland poll just published

SNP 46% (nc)
Lab 29% (+2)
Con 16% (-2)
LD 3% (-1)

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:17 pm**

Paul Krugman's written an excellent and cautionary piece called Economics and Elections http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/06/opini ... pan-region in the NYT today:

Britain’s economic performance since the financial crisis struck has been startlingly bad. A tentative recovery began in 2009, but it stalled in 2010. Although growth resumed in 2013, real income per capita is only now reaching its level on the eve of the crisis — which means that Britain has had a much worse track record since 2007 than it had during the Great Depression.

He says what we all fear - that despite all this policy failure, the Tories might end up not being punished for it at the polls. Why?

Well, you could blame the weakness of the opposition, which has done an absolutely terrible job of making its case. You could blame the fecklessness of the news media, which has gotten much wrong. But the truth is that what’s happening in British politics is what almost always happens, there and everywhere else: Voters have fairly short memories, and they judge economic policy not by long-term results but by recent growth. Over five years, the coalition’s record looks terrible. But over the past couple of quarters it looks pretty good, and that’s what matters politically.

It's worth a read even if its conclusions won't surprise anyone, just for his habit of saying plainly what most other columnists don't say - certainly in our country's press.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:19 pm**

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 39 mins39 minutes ago

Latest YouGov Scotland poll.
Independence Q:

Yes 46%
No 48%
DK/WNV 6%

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:39 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 39 mins39 minutes ago

Latest YouGov Scotland poll.
Independence Q:

Yes 46%
No 48%
DK/WNV 6%

Do those 46% know about what's happened to oil prices since September?

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:40 pm**

Britain’s health service: the best in the world?

Jon Snow's blog.

http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/brit ... orld/25297

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:43 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 39 mins39 minutes ago

Latest YouGov Scotland poll.
Independence Q:

Yes 46%
No 48%
DK/WNV 6%
Do those 46% know about what's happened to oil prices since September?

Doubt it. From a few Tweets I've read they're even sucking up to Murdoch.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:44 pm**

TechnicalEphemera wrote: The Labour Party are attacking the SNP on issues and their record. However the SNP pitch is we are left wing, Labour are red Tories and - bizarrely- the only way to get a Labour government you want is to vote SNP. Under these circumstances pointing out that the SNP would prefer to have a Tory government is critical to countering that argument. I would think their record on centralisation, big brother government and privatisation of NHS Scotland will also be used. Plus that lovely quote saying they weren't opposed to the privatisation of NHS England.

That last quote is unfair on them- it was about "EVEL" which they have supported in the past, and seem to be supporting now when there's a direct influence on Barnett. If they said they were going to vote v English privatisation they'd get more shit for interfering.

I think they ought to vote on nearly everything, if not everything. If England's NHS eg gives big pay rise to constultants, Scotland is affected by that.

The SNP are passing for leftwing because lots of people think universal benefits are leftwing. They are when you put up the top rate of tax, but not when you don't do anything with tax and cut thinks that affect the poor under the radar, which is what these nasty sods have done.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:52 pm**

All regions should vote on everything - it's a UK Parliament and there is no sensible way to draw the line. The solution is greater devolution to the regions (or whatever the appropriate level) of the country currently known as England.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 2:57 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:All regions should vote on everything - it's a UK Parliament and there is no sensible way to draw the line. The solution is greater devolution to the regions (or whatever the appropriate level) of the country currently known as England.

Yes, exactly. And of course the power of Scottish MPs was reaffirmed in the referendum.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:11 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:SH is basically correct.

The ones in the left-liberal chatterati ululating over Sturgeon/the SNP now are generally the same ones who were swept away by "Cleggmania" five years ago. They have learned nothing.

I don't think Harris is as bad as Williams generally tbf - and he is a better writer - but he has had some awful moments (cherry picking ONE YouGov subsample to "prove" that all young people were selfish Thatcherite hedonists being amongst the most egregious) And you get the feeling any praise for Labour/Ed is through gritted teeth

Seem to be quite a few to the left of Labour who are keen on Sturgeon too. Scottish Labour alienated them by electing Murphy.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:26 pm**

Unfortunately, the left's propensity for uncompromising self-righteousness, means that in the current version of the world, it will always split and so fail to beat the significantly greater of the various evils on offer.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:31 pm**

Nicola Sturgeon ‏@NicolaSturgeon 18 hrs18 hours ago

This, by @zoesqwilliams in @guardian, is very, very perceptive

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... chinations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:51 pm**

pk1 wrote:Indy trying to smear Douglas Alexander over the Nikigate tweets

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 57871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Christ, he deleted tweets? That's it?

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:57 pm**

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015 ... port-warns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
while dave's kissing lambs and niki will do anything to get a "free" scotland, we could be doing something useful about something important.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:57 pm**

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
pk1 wrote:Indy trying to smear Douglas Alexander over the Nikigate tweets

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 57871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Christ, he deleted tweets? That's it?

Indeed, and the Guardian, ever reliable are trying to make this a big deal.

The reality I suspect is that his lawyers warned him that the offending tweets could cause a legal issue.

It is unwise just to throw allegations out there in Twitter Land. You can't just repeat them as though they were truth and 140 characters doesn't leave space for legal niceties.

It rather confirms my view of Alexander as a bit of a lightweight.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 3:58 pm**

I've just begun looking into who my Labour candidate is, not the guy I spoke to that stood last time but Cheryl Pidgeon. I'm guessing former Midlands TUC Regional Secretary as it doesn't actually say but was surprised that her mobile number is included on her profile on Labour's site. Should I feel the need to contact her I shall use her email address but then I would say that as a past OU tutor. Yeah students had my telephone number but I never gave out my mobile. Even then I'd encourage their use of email to which I could respond as convenient.

Edit: silly me there is always text, the manner in which I mostly use mobiles. Still surprised by her number's inclusion though, I'd hate (unknown) people ringing me whenever on a whim.

... plus a corrected typo in my edit!

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:15 pm**

Andrew Spooner ‏@andrewspoooner 10 mins10 minutes ago

A plot involving Tory press, Scotland office & Labour to keep Ed M out of office so Jim Murphy can be Labour leader. Yes, they believe this

If I was a Scot and leaning towards voting SNP, about now I'd be wondering what might happen to my country if I gave some of these crazies a sniff of power.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:18 pm**

Crikey I can think of at least 100 Labour folk I'd prefer to Murphy. Indeed, the only one I'd prefer Murphy to is Danczuk. Possibly Abbot as well.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:20 pm**

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
pk1 wrote:Indy trying to smear Douglas Alexander over the Nikigate tweets

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 57871.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Christ, he deleted tweets? That's it?
Indeed, and the Guardian, ever reliable are trying to make this a big deal.

The reality I suspect is that his lawyers warned him that the offending tweets could cause a legal issue.

It is unwise just to throw allegations out there in Twitter Land. You can't just repeat them as though they were truth and 140 characters doesn't leave space for legal niceties.

It rather confirms my view of Alexander as a bit of a lightweight.

You've thrown up a rather interesting question, well to my mind anyway. I don't tweet, bad enough I type some of my thoughts straight out on fora (only here and the G). I sometimes make statements as though they were fact when in reality they're merely a joke. It could take offending people to a completely new level.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:26 pm**

Following on from my last post, there have indeed been criminal prosecutions following joking posts on social media. I've not heard of similar regarding libelous ones though. Perhaps it is time I used emoticons but using them can ruin the joke.

Time to stop thinking aloud...

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:36 pm**

utopiandreams wrote:Following on from my last post, there have indeed been criminal prosecutions following joking posts on social media. I've not heard of similar regarding libelous ones though. Perhaps it is time I used emoticons but using them can ruin the joke.

Time to stop thinking aloud...

The way it tends to work is that rich, important people employ lawyers who then threaten everyone who tweeted with a libel case unless they pay some money upfront to make it go away - after all, if it goes to court it would destroy most people's finances in days. Galloway did this to everyone who retweeted a comment relating to a question asked on BBCQT. It's like what Shapps did on facebook over allegations he had also been Michael Green. Yeah. To be fair, Galloway was being accused of antisemitism. That said, I don't see how his financial cosh was in any way the right response.

There's a lot of things said that shouldn't be and not just on twitter. But this country's libel laws - and their capacity to be used to silence people under threat of financial ruin regardless of the rights or wrongs of the case - are obscene. Because if you are rich enough, they are a weapon that has nothing to do with a trial.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 4:41 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Nicola Sturgeon ‏@NicolaSturgeon 18 hrs18 hours ago

This, by @zoesqwilliams in @guardian, is very, very perceptive

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... chinations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

I can't agree I'm afraid. She accuses everyone of taking the Telegraph story at face value because it suits their agenda and then expects us to take her assertion that Labour have already lost all their Scottish seats at face value, because it suits her agenda. Everyone is allowed to spin but Labour. Labour have to be whiter than white as everyone else Machievelli's their way into power. Cameron's allowed to repeat unsubstantiated Midstaffs vase stories without a peep from the press. Miliband responds to a story in a mainstream respected paper, says "if true" etc and he's held up as the epitome of all that is wrong with politics. She's just re-enre-enforcing the same old vote anyone but Labour propaganda of the right wing press to split the left vote.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 5:40 pm**

Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 5:49 pm**

Mike Sivier retweeted
David Schneider ‏@davidschneider 1 hr1 hour ago

Re lamb photo opp. Tories confirm Cameron's initial plan to breastfeed the lamb changed at last minute so as not to alienate UKIP voters.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 5:58 pm**

onebuttonmonkey wrote:... There's a lot of things said that shouldn't be and not just on twitter. But this country's libel laws - and their capacity to be used to silence people under threat of financial ruin regardless of the rights or wrongs of the case - are obscene. Because if you are rich enough, they are a weapon that has nothing to do with a trial.

In the interests of free speech I shall develop an 'Oh I get it' emoticon, one that slowly appears after giving the reader time for it to sink in, a reverse Cheshire cat as it were. So look out all you potentially offended elite, we can say whatever we want.

Btw if I had such an emoticon I would be using it now. Furthermore please don't think I've been sat here pondering such matters, have only just got back in.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:01 pm**

For a bit of light relief.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... it-dispute

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:02 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Whenever I see electoral calculus I halve the SNP figure and add it to Labour. I need to keep my morale up.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:03 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

So the SNP make some unreasonable demands in exchange for supporting a Labour Queen's speech. Labour say no, the SNP abstain and the Tories and Libdems vote it down. Enter Cameron to save the day, cut the SNP a deal in return for EVEL and Bob's your auntie.....I just hope Sturgeon is as honourable and above the political fray as Zoe Williams seems to think or us English left-wingers are well and truly stuffed if Scotland really does go wholesale SNP. I'm still trying to figure how likely such a clean sweep to the nationalists would be. They have no track record in securing so many seats. Have we seen these kind of size of swings from one party to another before anywhere?

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:12 pm**

On the twitter thing and in general you can get away with a reasonable amount with politicians. But stating really controversial stuff as fact is pretty dubious if by doing so you are causing potential harm to somebody.

I also suspect Alexander is getting flak on Twitter from enraged Nats, people now believe what they want to believe so moving the discussion on to policy would be sensible. Leaving those Tweets out there to be re-tweeted really isn't useful.

But really putting them out there wasn't wise. Murphy probably has to use it, Miliband has made one statement, as has Cameron.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:20 pm**

Willow904 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
So the SNP make some unreasonable demands in exchange for supporting a Labour Queen's speech. Labour say no, the SNP abstain and the Tories and Libdems vote it down. Enter Cameron to save the day, cut the SNP a deal in return for EVEL and Bob's your auntie.....I just hope Sturgeon is as honourable and above the political fray as Zoe Williams seems to think or us English left-wingers are well and truly stuffed if Scotland really does go wholesale SNP. I'm still trying to figure how likely such a clean sweep to the nationalists would be. They have no track record in securing so many seats. Have we seen these kind of size of swings from one party to another before anywhere?

Let's say Labour 296, Nats 38, Tories 270, Lib Dems 22.

Tory+Nats not enough and Tory+Lib Dem not enough. Tory+Nats+Lib Dem possible but very unstable.

This looks messy, so expect more dodgy dealings from Dave and his mates.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:25 pm**

It is difficult to decide who would be lying, Danny Alexander or the Tories.
Why won't he say who the Tory is ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32194785" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:30 pm**

Interesting article here from the New Statesman, looking at all the individual info for the Scottish seats. Without Ashcroft polling, the SNP would be predicted about 35-40 seats based on other available info. Add in Ashcroft polling and it pushes the predictions closer to 50 seats. I'm going to bookmark this one and look at it when the results start to come in. It'll be a handy reference to how well the predictions for the SNP are stacking up, on the night.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... nd-and-snp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:37 pm**

Willow904 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
So the SNP make some unreasonable demands in exchange for supporting a Labour Queen's speech. Labour say no, the SNP abstain and the Tories and Libdems vote it down. Enter Cameron to save the day, cut the SNP a deal in return for EVEL and Bob's your auntie.....I just hope Sturgeon is as honourable and above the political fray as Zoe Williams seems to think or us English left-wingers are well and truly stuffed if Scotland really does go wholesale SNP. I'm still trying to figure how likely such a clean sweep to the nationalists would be. They have no track record in securing so many seats. Have we seen these kind of size of swings from one party to another before anywhere?

The SNP wouldn't have to do a deal with Cameron. Don't they support EVEL (except when affects Barnett)?

If there are only 10 or so Sco Lab MPs, Cameron's in a very strong position anyway.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:39 pm**

1000 years of these ....ers. Am getting seriously sick of it.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:40 pm**

Local news has just reported this was flown from a plane over Eastbourne beach this morning

(Sniff sniff) ah yes, the stench of desperation

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 6:51 pm**

yahyah wrote:It is difficult to decide who would be lying, Danny Alexander or the Tories.
Why won't he say who the Tory is ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32194785" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I noted earlier elsewhere that Javid didn't enter the Treasury until 7 months after the budget so wouldn't know if anyone said it or not as he can't have been at the meeting. I guess that's why he was put up to comment since if someone who was there might have to lie outright and then face DA telling everyone who it was.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:19 pm**

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Austin Flood retweeted
General Election ‏@UKELECTIONS2015 18 mins18 minutes ago
Latest LIVE Electoral Calculus Prediction #GE2015

LAB 286
CON 275
SNP 48
LD 17
PC 3
UKIP 2
GRN 1
NI 18

http://ukgeneralelection2015.blogspot.c ... culus.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
So the SNP make some unreasonable demands in exchange for supporting a Labour Queen's speech. Labour say no, the SNP abstain and the Tories and Libdems vote it down. Enter Cameron to save the day, cut the SNP a deal in return for EVEL and Bob's your auntie.....I just hope Sturgeon is as honourable and above the political fray as Zoe Williams seems to think or us English left-wingers are well and truly stuffed if Scotland really does go wholesale SNP. I'm still trying to figure how likely such a clean sweep to the nationalists would be. They have no track record in securing so many seats. Have we seen these kind of size of swings from one party to another before anywhere?
The SNP wouldn't have to do a deal with Cameron. Don't they support EVEL (except when affects Barnett)?

If there are only 10 or so Sco Lab MPs, Cameron's in a very strong position anyway.

I thought the SNP had pledged to vote against a Tory Queen's speech. On the figures above that would put Cameron in a very weak position unless he could offer the SNP some kind of a deal in exchange for them abstaining. Something along the lines that would allow the SNP to claim they are abstaining because Scotland has no business getting involved in English & Welsh business any more now they have virtual autonomy or whatever.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:31 pm**

I'm watching A Matter of Loaf and Death...

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:36 pm**

Well I did another of these "who to vote for" things and surprise surprise came out Green again.
Now this is a surprise, as I filled it in giving all Labour policy replies, even those I'm not 100% happy with.
What's going on?

http://www.whogetsmyvoteuk.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:36 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:I'm watching A Matter of Loaf and Death...

Cracking film.

I've just found Spooks on Netflix.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:37 pm**

Willow904 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Willow904 wrote: So the SNP make some unreasonable demands in exchange for supporting a Labour Queen's speech. Labour say no, the SNP abstain and the Tories and Libdems vote it down. Enter Cameron to save the day, cut the SNP a deal in return for EVEL and Bob's your auntie.....I just hope Sturgeon is as honourable and above the political fray as Zoe Williams seems to think or us English left-wingers are well and truly stuffed if Scotland really does go wholesale SNP. I'm still trying to figure how likely such a clean sweep to the nationalists would be. They have no track record in securing so many seats. Have we seen these kind of size of swings from one party to another before anywhere?
The SNP wouldn't have to do a deal with Cameron. Don't they support EVEL (except when affects Barnett)?

If there are only 10 or so Sco Lab MPs, Cameron's in a very strong position anyway.
I thought the SNP had pledged to vote against a Tory Queen's speech. On the figures above that would put Cameron in a very weak position unless he could offer the SNP some kind of a deal in exchange for them abstaining. Something along the lines that would allow the SNP to claim they are abstaining because Scotland has no business getting involved in English & Welsh business any more now they have virtual autonomy or whatever.

Cameron can offer them FFA plus a huge bribe in terms of a transitional subsidy that tapers as oil price rises. They will take that deal, whatever they say now.

Which means as Tubby says this election will be won in the marginals in rUK, got to keep that Tory seat count down.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:37 pm**

AngryAsWell wrote:Well I did another of these "who to vote for" things and surprise surprise came out Green again.
Now this is a surprise, as I filled it in giving all Labour policy replies, even those I'm not 100% happy with.
What's going on?

http://www.whogetsmyvoteuk.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who funds them, I am guessing a Tory affiliate.

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:38 pm**

And before I forget: Happy Birthday Yahyah (and Mr. Riots).

Posted: **Mon 06 Apr, 2015 7:44 pm**

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Well I did another of these "who to vote for" things and surprise surprise came out Green again.
Now this is a surprise, as I filled it in giving all Labour policy replies, even those I'm not 100% happy with.
What's going on?

http://www.whogetsmyvoteuk.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Who funds them, I am guessing a Tory affiliate.

It's registered to a group called eDemocracy, based out of Switzerland.

http://www.edemocracycentre.ch/inner.ph ... rent_id=31" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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