Wednesday 8th April 2015

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:43 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 1m1 minute ago

CORRECTION. In one one of the seats polled by @LordAshcroft has there been switch from previous poll. Harrow E CON hold to LAB gain

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:45 pm

Re: Re Getting the vote out.

LabourList ‏@LabourList 2 mins2 minutes ago

Latest Ashcroft poll suggests ground campaigns are beginning to shore up leads in marginals http://labli.st/1a5HpLI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:47 pm

Don't forget there will be Council elections in some areas as well as the GE.

Although we have little chance of unseating our Conservative MP, it's looking promising for Labour gains on our Tory locked council...

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:51 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Let's Skip has never liked this Ford bloke. She's wise on this evidence.

Rob Ford (Britain) ‏@robfordmancs 13m13 minutes ago
@NCPoliticsUK Kingswood has v talented MP too - Chris Skidmore. Strong local profile, smart, effective.
Pure frontbench mouthpiece with conflicts of interest.

Being one of the co-authors of Brittania Unchained that made me take an instant dislike, a right wingers wet dream.

Hodges apparently is rather nice to Miliband in The Spectator today, too late son, too late..

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:53 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Re: Re Getting the vote out.

LabourList ‏@LabourList 2 mins2 minutes ago

Latest Ashcroft poll suggests ground campaigns are beginning to shore up leads in marginals http://labli.st/1a5HpLI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Laura Pitel ‏@laurapitel 5 hrs5 hours ago

Ed M tells audience that Consevative Party is a "Lynton Crosby hologram" that doesn't exist because they can't find ppl to knock on doors.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 4:55 pm

It's getting to look like a core vote strategy now, doesn't it?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:09 pm

It seems Cameron eating a hot dog with a knife and fork has gone global...

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:16 pm

For the first time since early 2015, Labour leads - albeit by one seat - in the Guardian’s latest projection of polls.

Miliband’s party is projected to win 273 seats, and Cameron’s 272.

On the surface of things Lord Ashcroft’s latest batch of 10 constituency polls shows little change since he last polled these seats last year.

In fact in nine of the seats the figures show a consolidation of the previous numbers - with both parties increasing their lead where they are still ahead, and Pudsey remaining a tie.

However, there are three important things to consider here:

First, in the one seat where the result has changed, Harrow East, a three point Tory lead is now a four point Labour one.

Second, these are all seats the Conservatives won in 2010. In four of these, Labour now leads. Possibly stating the obvious, but for every one of these seats the Tories lose, they need to gain two elsewhere to make up the loss.

Third, the UKIP share had fallen significantly – by up to ten points – in nine of the ten seats polled. The fall in support for Farage’s party has been apparent in earlier Ashcroft polls and in national figures.

Graun

A poster on UKPR has observed that:

These are the seats which had been showing lower than normal Con to Lab swings the first time round. So, surprise surprise, there is a low swing second time around.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:23 pm

Some good shots of Dave's Cornwall rally...

http://linkis.com/www.mirror.co.uk/usv/DRvLM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:26 pm

Ok, I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer at times.

But how the fuck can anyone "inherit" a tax perk/ dodge/ benefit?

That socialist land of free, The USA, have tougher tax regimes than we do, certainly don't allow something as ridiculous as non dom status..

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:28 pm

Rupert Murdoch's US empire siphons $4.5b from Australian business virtually tax-free

http://www.smh.com.au/business/rupert-m ... meu0l.html

Idly wondering if he gets the same sort of deal here. No wonder he meddles...

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:39 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:It's getting to look like a core vote strategy now, doesn't it?

Been one for years really. I reckon Crosby when he came in said "What the fuck was that cuddly stuff?"

Not to say that they don't have a decent sized core or that there won't be very effective constituency MPs, but it's not going to be enough. Lord Ashcroft understood that, others didn't.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:43 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
yahyah wrote:SDLP [unsurprisingly] have stated they will support Labour if they win seats.

Notice Craig David's wife Joanna Gosling, a presenter on BBC News, is saying Labour's non-dom policy is a mess, and giggled when quoting Ed Ball's earlier statement.

She used to be pretty neutral, the stress of seeing the Tories going slowly down the drain must be getting to her.
Craig David?!

Craig Oliver....d'oh. My brain is ever slower since I got a year older on Monday.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:48 pm

Conservative candidates receive model letters to send to demographic groups
Pre-written responses to groups of voters such as women, farmers and veterans are likely to fuel complaints Tory campaign is robotic and rehearsed
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hic-groups" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They just get more and more hackneyed ... Shapps crap again I think. The wordings of these seem beyond patronising to me ... It also makes me realise just how old fashioned and lacking the Conservatives are ... they don't have a clue about the complex lives and identies of most people. We're all just lumped together into groups convenient for writing a set letter to ... Pathetic - beyond pathetic.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 5:55 pm

utopiandreams wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I am nowhere near as pessimistic.

Of course *some* people - quite a large number - still uncritically consume what the MSM feeds them, but it is way down on what it used to be.

Not only is newspaper circulation, in particular, massively less than what it was - but surveys repeatedly show people far less ready to believe them as well.

Tories believe they can re-run the 1992 campaign this time round - they can't.
I'm not sure whether this was a response to me, AnatolyKasparov, if it were I do agree to some extent. Nevertheless I still think television is the main source of news and sadly most channels are not as even handed as I would like. Of course I have my own leanings so may have a biased view.

I think it's worth bearing in mind a point made by Anatoly (I think it was) and no doubt other poisters recently - apologies for any wron name checking. It's this. The Tories haven't wona general election since 1992. Since the early mid 90s, we've seen the explosive gowth not only of the internet, with its varied news sources, pretty much uncontrolled by the Usual Suspects, but also of social media in general.

As a result, it's harder now to push a given line - my friends are just as likely to quote Twitter, Huff Post or particular blogs as to direct me to a newspaper or channel, perhaps more so. Deference for the 'old' media has fallen with the rise of these upstarts, as the new sources are frequently factual, analytical and authentic. Simon Wren-Lewis is a good example.

In short, we're no longer content to have shit shovelled our way as a collective. Some people still are massively influenced by the Mail, 6 O'clock News, etc, but many people now see the limitations of the old media - not least the problems associated with oligarchy, plutocracy and self-entitled owners whose vested interests render them the least suitable custodians of any impartial enquiry and reporting.

The world has changed. The world where the Tories and their friends and donors had more or less absolute control over the media is disappearing fast, and as it disappears, the Tories can no longer dictate the agenda - they've tried very hard indeed with Miliband - but along with a multiplicity of new voices and views,has come its corollary: a more sophisticated, educated and cynical population, helped along by a good education system (even now, despite Gove's best efforts).

So deference died a death, and the message is no longer tightly controlled. And the Tories have failed in the intervening 23 years to win an election. As one world ends, another is summoned forth.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:09 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Conservative candidates receive model letters to send to demographic groups
Pre-written responses to groups of voters such as women, farmers and veterans are likely to fuel complaints Tory campaign is robotic and rehearsed
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hic-groups" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They just get more and more hackneyed ... Shapps crap again I think. The wordings of these seem beyond patronising to me ... It also makes me realise just how old fashioned and lacking the Conservatives are ... they don't have a clue about the complex lives and identies of most people. We're all just lumped together into groups convenient for writing a set letter to ... Pathetic - beyond pathetic.

I just hope that those using these model responses don't forget to answer the questions that voters pose, rebecca. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be treated like Cameron treats Ed during PMQs or Sajid Javid responding to Andrew Neil recently. I couldn't make head nor tail of the following though. Is it a misprint or am I being thick?

A pensioner who has raised an issue may receive a letter that says: “Conservatives believe that if you have worked hard, saved, paid your taxes and done the right thing, you deserve dignity and financial security when you retire. We want a country where you get something for nothing, not something for nothing.”

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:10 pm

Talking of Craig Oliver and his wife/ex-wife, a report from a couple of years back that she used a company set up to reduce her tax liability, paying Oliver at one point for acting as her 'secretary'.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... aig-940272" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:16 pm

utopiandreams wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Conservative candidates receive model letters to send to demographic groups
Pre-written responses to groups of voters such as women, farmers and veterans are likely to fuel complaints Tory campaign is robotic and rehearsed
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hic-groups" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They just get more and more hackneyed ... Shapps crap again I think. The wordings of these seem beyond patronising to me ... It also makes me realise just how old fashioned and lacking the Conservatives are ... they don't have a clue about the complex lives and identies of most people. We're all just lumped together into groups convenient for writing a set letter to ... Pathetic - beyond pathetic.
I just hope that those using these model responses don't forget to answer the questions that voters pose, rebecca. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be treated like Cameron treats Ed during PMQs or Sajid Javid responding to Andrew Neil recently. I couldn't make head nor tail of the following though. Is it a misprint or am I being thick?

A pensioner who has raised an issue may receive a letter that says: “Conservatives believe that if you have worked hard, saved, paid your taxes and done the right thing, you deserve dignity and financial security when you retire. We want a country where you get something for nothing, not something for nothing.”

I hadn't spotted that. It's a very funny mistake ... I hope it's in the Tory templates not courtesy of the Guardian's poor subbing. And then I hope they send them out to millions of pensioners who look at it and utter some very loud expletives as they realise what they suspected all along is true - the Tories want a country where you get something for nothing (but only for them not the plebs).

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:16 pm

Meridian news reported an executive principal of two schools in Kent has been arrested for abusing his position of trust.

Shaun Heslop has been suspended by Marlowe & Folkestone Academies & bailed until July.

Marlowe Academy rings a bell with me but I have no idea what for.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:19 pm

Talking of letters, the Tories sent one with the same spelling mistake of the constituency repeated three times !

The resident in Southampton Itchin was unimpressed.....

The correct spelling is Itchen.

http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/update ... ame-wrong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:21 pm

utopiandreams wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Conservative candidates receive model letters to send to demographic groups
Pre-written responses to groups of voters such as women, farmers and veterans are likely to fuel complaints Tory campaign is robotic and rehearsed
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... hic-groups" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They just get more and more hackneyed ... Shapps crap again I think. The wordings of these seem beyond patronising to me ... It also makes me realise just how old fashioned and lacking the Conservatives are ... they don't have a clue about the complex lives and identies of most people. We're all just lumped together into groups convenient for writing a set letter to ... Pathetic - beyond pathetic.
I just hope that those using these model responses don't forget to answer the questions that voters pose, rebecca. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be treated like Cameron treats Ed during PMQs or Sajid Javid responding to Andrew Neil recently. I couldn't make head nor tail of the following though. Is it a misprint or am I being thick?

A pensioner who has raised an issue may receive a letter that says: “Conservatives believe that if you have worked hard, saved, paid your taxes and done the right thing, you deserve dignity and financial security when you retire. We want a country where you get something for nothing, not something for nothing.”

Obviously that should read "We want a country where you get nothing for something, not something for nothing". After all, many of today's pensioners lost much of their pension pots in one pension scandal or another during the last Tory government.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:23 pm

@rebeccariots

Even if you corrected that mistake, it it still sounds rather contrived or hackneyed as you have said.

Edit: bloody typo, even worse given the context.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:28 pm

pk1 wrote:Meridian news reported an executive principal of two schools in Kent has been arrested for abusing his position of trust.

Shaun Heslop has been suspended by Marlowe & Folkestone Academies & bailed until July.

Marlowe Academy rings a bell with me but I have no idea what for.

Govey's marginal seat disaster tour!

That's in Thanet South.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:28 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Don't forget there will be Council elections in some areas as well as the GE.

Although we have little chance of unseating our Conservative MP, it's looking promising for Labour gains on our Tory locked council...

A point worth stressing. In many areas, the MP may be Tory, but surprise, surprise, it's the local scene that provides the most fluidity and political movement. My own area went from Labour MP/Labour council to Labour MP/Tory council to Tory MP/Tory council (mercifully brief, that one), to Labour council - and pretty solid too - and Tory MP. I expect our idiot PPC to win (he'll be an embarrassment, IMO) so it's a clean sweep. Curiously, we actually stand to lose seats this year, but that's mainly because we've been so successful over the years that there's little left to take, and seats like mine (went in 2012) are generally Tory and therefore a bugger to defend.

If your local PPC has no chance on May 7th, get the hell out there in your ward for the locals if you can. You may even find that the colour of your council actually matters more to your life than the colour of your MP.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:33 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Some good shots of Dave's Cornwall rally...

http://linkis.com/www.mirror.co.uk/usv/DRvLM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An excellent expose of the ham faced piss trumpet's methods. Christ, if Miliband tried that trick it would be front page news. Keep retweeting this stuff to everyone you know.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:34 pm

Plaid are whinging on Twitter that it is Labour that have dragged up the old article that's put Plaid's candidate here in hot water.

Their candidate complained, in what he himself now calls 'high octane' language, about some English incomers being racist BNP gun toters.

But it was the local paper, a Lib Dem leaning rag, that outed the story, not Labour.
The Telegraph are now front paging it.

Just wondering if any other Welsh residents on FTN have noticed floods of 'nazi' English moving here to avoid ethnic minorities ? Most of the people I've met are like myself and my husband, wanting a peaceful rural life and are to the left of politics.

So if it is as it appears, another Lib Dem dirty trick that's another sign of how desperate they are getting. Ceredigion may be their only seat left in Wales, they are desperate to hold it.
Suspect they may have managed it as the Cambrian News is widely bought and read here and the front page will have an impact.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:34 pm

@ErnstRemarx

Thank you for the O'Brien link.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:40 pm

@EmptyDave's Peter Perfect. V good.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:41 pm

PorFavor wrote:@ErnstRemarx

Thank you for the O'Brien link.

No probs; only polite.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:43 pm

yahyah wrote:Plaid are whinging on Twitter that it is Labour that have dragged up the old article that's put Plaid's candidate here in hot water.

Their candidate complained, in what he himself now calls 'high octane' language, about some English incomers being racist BNP gun toters.

But it was the local paper, a Lib Dem leaning rag, that outed the story, not Labour.
The Telegraph are now front paging it.

Just wondering if any other Welsh residents on FTN have noticed floods of 'nazi' English moving here to avoid ethnic minorities ? Most of the people I've met are like myself and my husband, wanting a peaceful rural life and are to the left of politics.

So if it is as it appears, another Lib Dem dirty trick that's another sign of how desperate they are getting. Ceredigion may be their only seat left in Wales, they are desperate to hold it.
Suspect they may have managed it as the Cambrian News is widely bought and read here and the front page will have an impact.

I was gardening for my favourite Ceredigion client this morning. She likes to talk politics with me and said 'the Plaid candidate looks rather interesting'. I took it at face value this am ... but now I'm wondering if she had seen the Cambrian News front page spread. I'm sure she wouldn't consider herself a Nazi - but she did move here from Dorset. I shall have to check with her next time around. That said - she's moving on May 5th and she will be in Preseli Pembs then. Not early enough to be able to cast a vote for Labour here this time around ... but next time, I'll be on her doorstep with a beaming grin to ask for her support.

I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have been the Labour candidate in Ceredigion who raked up this ... can't see what's in it for him ... and he seems a pretty nice straightforward bloke when he came round with us. We don't muck rake - not my or the others style - want to win on what we can do not what others have or haven't done.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:44 pm

Bonnie Greer ‏@Bonn1eGreer 14 mins14 minutes ago
Latest:@YouGov/ @Spectator_CH-

Labour 35%
Tories 33%
Ukip 14%
LibDems 8%
GreenParty 5%
SNP 43%

Implies LAB 17 sts short
#GE2015

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 6:44 pm

yahyah wrote:Plaid are whinging on Twitter that it is Labour that have dragged up the old article that's put Plaid's candidate here in hot water.

Their candidate complained, in what he himself now calls 'high octane' language, about some English incomers being racist BNP gun toters.

But it was the local paper, a Lib Dem leaning rag, that outed the story, not Labour.
The Telegraph are now front paging it.

Just wondering if any other Welsh residents on FTN have noticed floods of 'nazi' English moving here to avoid ethnic minorities ? Most of the people I've met are like myself and my husband, wanting a peaceful rural life and are to the left of politics.

So if it is as it appears, another Lib Dem dirty trick that's another sign of how desperate they are getting. Ceredigion may be their only seat left in Wales, they are desperate to hold it.
Suspect they may have managed it as the Cambrian News is widely bought and read here and the front page will have an impact.

Surely, if it's the utterance of a Plaid PPC, then it's up to him to defend his own utterances? If it's a recent article, then's it's classed as news, and I don't see how it's linked to Labour, unless they released his statement to the world/press. If they didn't then Plaid can fuck the fuck off.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:10 pm

I can't believe how inept the response to the non-dom annoucement was by the Tories and the media supporters of non-doms.

How about "We've looked at this, and indeed we were the first to suggest a charge. But like Gordon Brown, we think non-doms are a big net benefit for Britain.."

Instead, what do we get? Deceit about Ed Balls.

As for non doms themselves, they'll have tax advisers who'll have alternatives ready to go. It isn't just non-doms who avoid tax. Miliband isn't even favourite to win the election. So Christ, tone down the outrage. Public don't like very rich people moaning about tax at the best of times.

(to be clear, it's a very good announcement. Will bring in extra money and remove v obvious unfairness. Good stuff, then on to the next avoidance scheme).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:22 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Let's Skip has never liked this Ford bloke. She's wise on this evidence.
Pure frontbench mouthpiece with conflicts of interest.

Being one of the co-authors of Brittania Unchained that made me take an instant dislike, a right wingers wet dream.

Hodges apparently is rather nice to Miliband in The Spectator today, too late son, too late..
Wondering if his 'useful idiot' days are numbered?

Well, he might no longer be useful but, for me, he'll always have idiot status. So he won't lose everything. Which is nice.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:23 pm

The South Carolina shooting / murder just makes me unbearably depressed - solidified anger. Has anything actually changed when this can happen ... with, it seems, horrible frequency.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:25 pm

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 11 hrs11 hours ago

One leading nondom told me privately that the annual fee could have been raised to £250k per year, and would still be worth it for him

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:31 pm

Is Twitter down?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:31 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:The South Carolina shooting / murder just makes me unbearably depressed - solidified anger. Has anything actually changed when this can happen ... with, it seems, horrible frequency.

Yes, and the sheer number of shots fired is impossible to take in.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:36 pm

Just in case anyone is interested, there's a live debate right now (just started) featuring representatives from the main parties about policies on arts and creative industries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ebdc8g?ns_m ... e=scotland" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:40 pm

Bradford West hustings appear to be getting unpleasant.

It looks like the Bradford West hustings are getting quite heated. George Galloway is claiming to have a copy of Labour candidate Naz Shah’s marriage contract and says she lied about her forced marriage.

Keepin' it classy George...

It's being live blogged on Twitter by @helenpidd from the Guardian.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:44 pm

Election Tonight saying it's unlikely to raise any money but good politics.

Yet again no economists asked, Rachel Sylvester of The Times instead.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:53 pm

Prime minister David Cameron meets six-year-old Lucy Howarth on the campaign trail at Sacred Heart primary school in Westhoughton, near Bolton, on Wednesday. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA

Far be it from me to be trivial (and bear in mind that if I had any friends, some of them would almost certainly be southerners) but the little girl we're all so impressed by is a northerner.
[cue showing-off icon]

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 7:54 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Election Tonight saying it's unlikely to raise any money but good politics.

Yet again no economists asked, Rachel Sylvester of The Times instead.

Quite a few people have been quick to point out on Twitter, it's not so much the money it's the principle of the thing.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:02 pm

Every few days Labour come out with another good promise. I'm wondering what corkers are still waiting to be rolled out.
It's masterly the way they're flat footing the Tories. Whoever's organising it in conjunction with Ed, needs a pat on the back.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:03 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Every few days Labour come out with another good promise. I'm wondering what corkers are still waiting to be rolled out.
It's masterly the way they're flat footing the Tories. Whoever's organising it in conjunction with Ed, needs a pat on the back.

I think it was probably that little girl from Bolton. She seemed to be pretty clued up.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:15 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 62628.html
It is the closest the Green party will ever get to negative, attack-ad electioneering, but in reality its latest party political broadcast is simply the most cringeworthy political advert in history.

Cue: wtf icon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:20 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Election Tonight saying it's unlikely to raise any money but good politics.

Yet again no economists asked, Rachel Sylvester of The Times instead.
Quite a few people have been quick to point out on Twitter, it's not so much the money it's the principle of the thing.

As I mentioned earlier, Simon Hughes would be (well, was, actually) the first to disagree with that.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:21 pm

And have just realised. The press and the BBC despite their best efforts, haven't managed to knock Ed off the front pages. I think it's the best publicity he's ever had. The debates were good for him, but non-doms is mega....

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:24 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Wed 08 Apr, 2015 8:29 pm

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