What makes you think this bloke doesn't like it?Extending Right to Buy to housing associations and other distractions
But now, coming into sight from right field, is a genuinely stupid idea.
My first instinct was to ignore this idea as being just too bonkers to have any traction
Of all the daft ideas I’ve heard in a career in housing, this is the daftest.
http://www.housing.org.uk/media/blog/ex ... tractions/
onebuttonmonkey wrote:Again, here's something from the other place that I typed out furiously with you in mind.
So let’s look at the Tory attitude to housing, and to standing up for ordinary people.
1) If you’re a charity and are trying to provide some affordable housing for people priced out of renting and buying, then you’re clearly a selfish organisation standing in the way of opportunity. The Tories are bravely standing up to these terrible house-providing charities by compelling them to sell their assets at a loss. How dare people be robbed of the democratic opportunity to die, homeless, of pneumonia while sleeping on the streets!
2) As Right to Buy delivers an inevitable reduction in housing stock (because selling at a democratic loss means the nasty charities will be too selfish to then build at cost, the Trotskies) prices and rents will get even higher. This generous and laudatory capitalist principle will then rightly price out even more people who will then need housing benefit (which will be capped if you’re young) thus raising the already enormous housing benefit bill. Which is exactly the right initiative we need to use to blame more poor people for creating the housing price bubble, and – in the name of social justice - compel even 50 year olds to go back and live in a hovel with their parents.
3) Fortunately, this also means that the Tories are bravely standing up to the powerful group of… erm… poor people who for too long have had all the power in this country and who destroyed the economy, not like the virtuous bankers, who worked so hard they must be good people. And that’s why Cameron should be applauded for finally ignoring their vested interests and instead supporting poor put upon millionaire absentee landlords – like some 33% of their own MPs. It’s landlords who always struggle to get by, isn’t it, unlike those selfish tenants, whose inability to be able to afford a house is proof of their moral laxity.
4) And that's why compelling even more people to work without pay is the only way to help them get a roof over their heads. The perspicacity of IDS is matched only by his quite literally unstarting reservoirs of compassion.
5) Compassionate Conservatives will, however, make sure that millionaires with property portfolios, non-dom mansion owners and the like are exempted from having to pay any tax either on their assets – which they should be under no obligation to pay because fairness or something – or on the sale of these properties if they can get Stamp Duty rises through.
6) More importantly even than that, no matter how many houses they have, there’s no reason that a rich person’s money should be forced to live in the same country for tax purposes as the person themself lives. Expecting people who have lived here for years to pay tax here is communism and it’s brave of Cameron to recognise that only by removing all obligations from people in the same social set as you can poor people have the hope and the opportunity to succeed in whatever slum you’ve left them.
7) And never mind if you work your whole life on poverty wages never being able to afford to buy a house. The important thing is the Tories are bravely standing up for the right of £2m-property owners to pass on their assets entirely untaxed in the form of an inheritance. Because work pays, especially when it’s someone else’s work and you don’t have to pay any tax on all the money you earned by nothing more than being born to a well off family.
Well, I have to say, it’s true. The Tories really are the party of ordinary people*. I mean, just look at all these measures putting ordinary people first. There isn’t anyone who could look at their manifesto and conclude every single measure here is designed exclusively to benefit the already well off, is there?
*caution: what's ordinary to them is not equal to what's ordinary to you. This is your fault, not theirs, obviously.
Edit: added another scornful line about the property bubble.
Let's not forget the Labour advantage there would be significantly bigger without that piece of nonsense from ICM.......ohsocynical wrote:New #GE2015 forecast, after 5 national polls in 24hrs & new #Ashcroft polls.
Lab—274
Con—270
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I think David Cameron sets great store by that poll!AnatolyKasparov wrote:Let's not forget the Labour advantage there would be significantly bigger without that piece of nonsense from ICM.......ohsocynical wrote:New #GE2015 forecast, after 5 national polls in 24hrs & new #Ashcroft polls.
Lab—274
Con—270
http://May2015.com/category/seat-calculator" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Don't what area you're in, гражданка, but Mark Pritchard was on the local Midlands bit of Sunday Politics repeating that Labour stopped inquiries into Stafford Hospital. At least he didn't do a Cameron and repeat the drinking from vases myth, but was shut up by his opposite number. The trouble is many viewers will just accept it.citizenJA wrote:So just out & out full bore lying.RogerOThornhill wrote:Bloody hell, we've got both the lie about rail investment being the most since Victorian times and this...
Labour’s Great Recession weakened Britain on the world stage. They left a £38 billion black hole in the defence budget,
Game over.
Impossible.
Of course I am, гражданка. It took some researching though, I didn't know what to value the award at nor did I know Natalie's name at the time.citizenJA wrote:You're not kidding me are you?utopiandreams wrote:News Flash: Theresa May has awarded a shoe-shopping trip valued at £17,500 to Natalie Elphicke for services to the Tory Party.
Posted earlier under AS at the G, but see that ohsocynical has made it topical here too.
Aren't they just great? And there was me thinking that the governing bodies of those sports organised those...and all the time it was the government...We will deliver the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletics Championship in 2017, IPC World Championships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019, maximising the opportunities for tourism and jobs.
Yes. I often wonder about that. Especially during PMQs2
Analysis How old is David Cameron? We answer the most Googled queries about the party leaders (Guardian)
I've got a few expat friends living out in Spain, they have nothing but contempt for the Daily Mail reading, "the locals are making no attempt to learn English" mob, the ones clearly uppermost in Cameron's mind with this policy.RobertSnozers wrote:Little winds me up more than expats sniping from their foreign tax haven. Funny how they're all Tories, isn't it?RogerOThornhill wrote:Check this little one out that's just been spotted.
Bollocks to that - if you've emigrated 15 years or more ago, you made a choice that you don't want to be part of this country.We will complete the electoral register, by working to include more of the five million Britons who live abroad. We will introduce votes for life, scrapping the rule that bars British citizens who have lived abroad for more than 15 years from voting.
Those events will happen whoever is in government. I don't understand why they would appear in a manifesto? That's just stupid.RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently the government now organises sporting events!
Aren't they just great? And there was me thinking that the governing bodies of those sports organised those...and all the time it was the government...We will deliver the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletics Championship in 2017, IPC World Championships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019, maximising the opportunities for tourism and jobs.
Of course I don't mind. Anything that helps add to the noise of incredulity around the nonsense announced today is fine by me. (In fact, given the topic of today's Tory guffdump, has there ever been a more appropriate recent time to say "property is theft"?)ohsocynical wrote:
Pinched some of your one liners, and Tweeted them under the FTN Twitter a/c. Hope you don't mind.
She's just been trounced on WATO as well. I heard her being touted as a possible future leader of the Conservatives the other day .... just how bad can the rest of them be if someone thinks Truss is leadership material? (no need to answer). She was clearly unable to properly justify the Right To Steal from Housing Associations policy - no answer at all when she was asked if they had taken note of the number of council property sales last year in their figures ... a pathetic 400 which isn't going to raise anything like enough dosh to cover their giveaways. And she was totally pathetic when asked if she considered Ed Miliband had stabbed his brother in the back ... how many times can they trot out the danger this poses if he is in any way responsible for Trident (??????) - they are just embarrassing themselves multiple times over.utopiandreams wrote:Anyone seeing Liz Truss being trounced by Andrew Neil over house figures? Her only source of information was Eric Pickles; Andrew asked that he come and answer his questions then.
PorFavor wrote:Emma Reynolds on the BBC on the housing right to buy issue. Actually, I wasn't overly impressed.
My friend Utopiandreams, the person you're referring to, Mark Pritchard, sometimes Tory MP, maybe sometimes some other party candidate? finds himself in the s*** with alarming frequency. It's the doggonest thing...If the mean is 0 and the standard deviation is 1, the distribution is referred to as the "standard normal distribution." Mark Pritchard lands outside the bell. A lot. Unlucky fellow, you know? I hope his future is boring.utopiandreams wrote:Don't what area you're in, гражданка, but Mark Pritchard was on the local Midlands bit of Sunday Politics repeating that Labour stopped inquiries into Stafford Hospital. At least he didn't do a Cameron and repeat the drinking from vases myth, but was shut up by his opposite number. The trouble is many viewers will just accept it.citizenJA wrote:So just out & out full bore lying.RogerOThornhill wrote:Bloody hell, we've got both the lie about rail investment being the most since Victorian times and this...
Game over.
Impossible.
Perhaps the manifesto was a bit thin and they needed to pad it out. And Tories have never been backwards in coming forwards to take the claim.WelshIan wrote:Those events will happen whoever is in government. I don't understand why they would appear in a manifesto? That's just stupid.RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently the government now organises sporting events!
Aren't they just great? And there was me thinking that the governing bodies of those sports organised those...and all the time it was the government...We will deliver the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletics Championship in 2017, IPC World Championships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019, maximising the opportunities for tourism and jobs.
Ian Collins retweeted
Chris Gibson @ChrisGibsonNews 1h1 hour ago
I suspect Michael Gove may have misheard me or has seriously gone off message
"Too late to win the election?"
"Yes"
I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
Don't know anything about him to be honest, citizenJA, other than his being Tory MP for The Wrekin, which I believe is in Shropshire.citizenJA wrote:My friend Utopiandreams, the person you're referring to, Mark Pritchard, sometimes Tory MP, maybe sometimes some other party candidate? finds himself in the s*** with alarming frequency. It's the doggonest thing...If the mean is 0 and the standard deviation is 1, the distribution is referred to as the "standard normal distribution." Mark Pritchard lands outside the bell. A lot. Unlucky fellow, you know? I hope his future is boring.
I thought I saw someone posting earlier that Frank Field was supporting this ... have I hallucinated that?Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1h1 hour ago
Frank Field, Labour champion of Right to Buy council hsng, writes for @politicshome on new Tory plan:"I cannot support this half-baked idea"
I think I must have missed that particular bit of damning ... was mowing a lawn at the time. This is one of those policies that shows just how desperate and stupid the Tories are. Pasty tax to the billioneth power.Rob Merrick @Rob_Merrick 2h2 hours ago
Inside Housing says Right to Buy will "require every local authority to sell off one third of their stock" (not just most expensive) #wato
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 2m2 minutes ago
And here’s that piece for us by Frank Field: Cameron’s new Right to Buy is ‘fantasy’ | http://polho.me/1Oa7kza" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Give it time, PorFavor, there are still 22 days to go. At current attrition rates Dave will have to call on John Bercow to tour the television studios.PorFavor wrote:It's occurred to me -I haven't seen much\any evidence of Iain Smith during this campaign. Are they hiding him or have I just been lucky?
I went searching for it, PorFavor, the Reynolds interview. I haven't found that interview yet. If you could post a link for it, I'd very much like to see it because it's important. I stumbled into a Dave interview linked below. I liked the person interviewing him but ultimately, he just let Dave talk. The body language on that interviewer is priceless, in my humble opinion. Scroll down until you get past this Dave quip here...PorFavor wrote:I return to my dis-satisfction with the Emma Reynolds interview. Did anyone else see it? I appreciate that the Conservatives' uncostedness(?) of their proposals definitely has to be attacked. But she was like a speak-your-weight machine. A Rachel Reeves type presentation. There was no talk of principles. It was completely balance-sheet stuff.
Yep. I didn't know too much either. What little I found out led me to a series of misfortunes befalling the Tory sonofabiscuit...some people are just too unlucky.utopiandreams wrote:Don't know anything about him to be honest, citizenJA, other than his being Tory MP for The Wrekin, which I believe is in Shropshire.citizenJA wrote:My friend Utopiandreams, the person you're referring to, Mark Pritchard, sometimes Tory MP, maybe sometimes some other party candidate? finds himself in the s*** with alarming frequency. It's the doggonest thing...If the mean is 0 and the standard deviation is 1, the distribution is referred to as the "standard normal distribution." Mark Pritchard lands outside the bell. A lot. Unlucky fellow, you know? I hope his future is boring.
You & I both.PorFavor wrote:It's occurred to me -I haven't seen much\any evidence of Iain Smith during this campaign. Are they hiding him or have I just been lucky?
@ No - you're ok. 'Twas I!rebeccariots2 wrote:I thought I saw someone posting earlier that Frank Field was supporting this ... have I hallucinated that?Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1h1 hour ago
Frank Field, Labour champion of Right to Buy council hsng, writes for @politicshome on new Tory plan:"I cannot support this half-baked idea"
Magnificent!rebeccariots2 wrote:I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
citizenJA wrote:I went searching for it, PorFavor, the Reynolds interview. I haven't found that interview yet. If you could post a link for it, I'd very much like to see it because it's important. I stumbled into a Dave interview linked below. I liked the person interviewing him but ultimately, he just let Dave talk. The body language on that interviewer is priceless, in my humble opinion. Scroll down until you get past this Dave quip here...PorFavor wrote:I return to my dis-satisfction with the Emma Reynolds interview. Did anyone else see it? I appreciate that the Conservatives' uncostedness(?) of their proposals definitely has to be attacked. But she was like a speak-your-weight machine. A Rachel Reeves type presentation. There was no talk of principles. It was completely balance-sheet stuff.
He will call on voters "not to waste the past five years".
It's an eight minute interview that leaves no Tory cliché' unsaid by the soon to-be-not-the Prime Minister.
http://news.sky.com/story/1464321/torie ... -manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If anyone can tell me who the interviewer is in that segment, I'd appreciate it. I don't watch too much media. Dave talks just like my dad used to. Confident & full of himself. I'm sorry, Dad, you're a nicer man but it's disconcerting how alike in mannerisms you two are.
Yes, the bastards. About as crooked as it comes, given the Tories are supported by the big housebuilders who stand to profit massively from the changes. Ordinary people will get sdcrewed over, of course, but when did the Tories ever give a fuck for them?FuriousGeorge wrote:Did the tories remove the requirement on developers to build a certain % of affordable homes on new builds? Seem to remember something about that somewhere.
Sounds like a bloody fairy tale.rebeccariots2 wrote:I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
And very little that isn't also in the Labour Manifesto, which has so much more and is fully costed. I get that I'm partisan, but if you say you are different or better BE different or better, don't just claim it and attack others making the same offering as you.rebeccariots2 wrote:I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
I don't normally watch moving media but just caught an eight minute Dave Cameron interview by a very straightforward interviewer I don't know. Dave's arrogance, his grandioseness, is disturbing. Wait - Dave - you can't promise that because it's not in your power to make it so. There's the last five years on record too, Dave. Dave thinks the last five years have been fabulous.WelshIan wrote:Those events will happen whoever is in government. I don't understand why they would appear in a manifesto? That's just stupid.RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently the government now organises sporting events!
Aren't they just great? And there was me thinking that the governing bodies of those sports organised those...and all the time it was the government...We will deliver the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletics Championship in 2017, IPC World Championships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019, maximising the opportunities for tourism and jobs.
I confess I became rhapsodic over the quiet public transportation system run not-for-profit.Rebecca wrote:Sounds like a bloody fairy tale.rebeccariots2 wrote:I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
And children starting school age 7?Mine couldn't wait until they were 5!
In fact,my boy was at school part time at 4,for a gentle lead up to all day.He was so cross one day at being 'forced' to go home at midday he rang the fire brigade and told them he was trapped in the house.
As a member of the local Planning Committee, I can tell you that this is a significant kick in the teeth people looking to buy 'affordable' housing (it's still stupidly expensive). All it does is to allow developers to tell planning departments to fuck off, and that they'll not build because of projections (usually tailored) regarding return on investment. We used to have wiggle room, and developers generally came to an accommodation. Now there is no reason for them to do so, so people wanting to buy are screwed over, and thanks to the malign nature of the Tories towards social housing, their latest wheeze will sent availability plummet and rents go through the fucking roof. I hate those bastards with a passion; malign, stupid, venal, inefficient, self entitled, verminous, thoughtless, brainless, contemptible, spineless, immoral and utterly, utterly wrong.citizenJA wrote:Yep, FuriousGeorge, you're absolutely correct. I'm still looking for the Tory manifesto, by the way.FuriousGeorge wrote:Did the tories remove the requirement on developers to build a certain % of affordable homes on new builds? Seem to remember something about that somewhere.
22 April 2014The leadership of Milton Keynes has said the decision to water down the affordable homes requirement for developers has ‘swung the balance much too far in favour of the developers’.
The deputy leader of a Conservative council attacked the government for ‘storing up problems for the future’ by allowing developers to scrap affordable homes to protect profits.
Council figures show the town will build 500 fewer affordable homes over the next five years because of the amendments 12 months ago to planning laws. An example given by the council was the re-submission of a development, which was scheduled to have 63 affordable homes, with no affordable homes on the grounds of profitability.
Emma Reynolds, shadow housing minister, said to the Guardian: ‘There is a massive shortage of affordable homes across the country. Now even leading Tory councillors are attacking their own government for their failed housing policies.’
The news comes after the planning minister admitted the government will not set an affordable housing target for its new wave of garden cities and instead planning decisions will be ‘locally-led’ with the decision over the number of affordable homes falling to councils.
Local authorities’ power to demand affordable housing in developments was significantly weakened by the introduction of ‘viability testing’ which allows developers to reduce or remove affordable homes if it would make the scheme unprofitable.
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/governme ... 33.article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Never going to happen though,especially by 2019?I know reality can be boring,but it is what it is.citizenJA wrote:I confess I became rhapsodic over the quiet public transportation system run not-for-profit.Rebecca wrote:Sounds like a bloody fairy tale.rebeccariots2 wrote: I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.
And children starting school age 7?Mine couldn't wait until they were 5!
In fact,my boy was at school part time at 4,for a gentle lead up to all day.He was so cross one day at being 'forced' to go home at midday he rang the fire brigade and told them he was trapped in the house.
A clever idea...Different and I like different.rebeccariots2 wrote:I hope the Green manifesto had a vision for something other than the metropolitan lifestyle this seems to reflect ... very little I can relate to in it.Robert Hutton retweeted
Matthew Holehouse @mattholehouse 1h1 hour ago
Green manifesto postscript: life in 2019, when children giggle and the not-for-profit electric buses run on time
It's not your fault - Field's is in favour of a right-to-buy scheme, PF, of some kind, but it's not the thing hauled out today. He co-authored the document with David Davis in 2012 - RIGHT TO BUY 2.0PorFavor wrote:@ rebeccariots2
I misunderstood Frank Field's position. I think there might have been a bit of a "Tweet" missing when I read it. Apologies (particularly to Frank Field).
I loved him too. A few years later, my daughter was wearing Spice Girls t-shirts & singing along.Rebecca wrote:Have just realised what that green dream reminds me of,Barney the purple dinosaur.
It's Eamonn Holmes.citizenJA wrote: I stumbled into a Dave interview linked below. I liked the person interviewing him but ultimately, he just let Dave talk. The body language on that interviewer is priceless, in my humble opinion. Scroll down until you get past this Dave quip here...
He will call on voters "not to waste the past five years".
It's an eight minute interview that leaves no Tory cliché' unsaid by the soon to-be-not-the Prime Minister.
http://news.sky.com/story/1464321/torie ... -manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If anyone can tell me who the interviewer is in that segment, I'd appreciate it. I don't watch too much media. Dave talks just like my dad used to. Confident & full of himself. I'm sorry, Dad, you're a nicer man but it's disconcerting how alike in mannerisms you two are.
Oh, dear. I think he's rather a flamboyant person? That didn't occur to me during the eight minute interview.pk1 wrote:It's Eamonn Holmes.citizenJA wrote: I stumbled into a Dave interview linked below. I liked the person interviewing him but ultimately, he just let Dave talk. The body language on that interviewer is priceless, in my humble opinion. Scroll down until you get past this Dave quip here...
He will call on voters "not to waste the past five years".
It's an eight minute interview that leaves no Tory cliché' unsaid by the soon to-be-not-the Prime Minister.
http://news.sky.com/story/1464321/torie ... -manifesto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If anyone can tell me who the interviewer is in that segment, I'd appreciate it. I don't watch too much media. Dave talks just like my dad used to. Confident & full of himself. I'm sorry, Dad, you're a nicer man but it's disconcerting how alike in mannerisms you two are.
