Tuesday 14th April

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:25 pm

Lively exchange about the Tory position - or lack of clear position - on Heathrow expansion going on between Zac Goldsmith, Paul Waugh and others on twitter.

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 57m57 minutes ago
Buried in Tory manifesto: no repeat of 'No Heathrow expansion'. Will @ZacGoldsmith quit as Tory PPC? Sd wdn't stand on 'ambiguous' manifesto

‏@ZacGoldsmith
@paulwaugh Not what I said! You're allowing yourself to be spoon fed by a LibDem twerp. Green light for expansion = a byelection. Simple

Goldsmith is claiming the Lib Dems wouldn't allow the commission to report before the election because they wanted something to campaign on.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:31 pm

Ed Miliband said, in a speech/Q&A session today, that in the last year just 490 of 'the most expensive council properties' were sold. Set that against the Tory claim that 15,000 come empty every year and can, therefore, be sold off...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:33 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:Ed Miliband said, in a speech/Q&A session today, that in the last year just 490 of 'the most expensive council properties' were sold. Set that against the Tory claim that 15,000 come empty every year and can, therefore, be sold off...

Yes - that statistic rendered Truss speechless when she was challenged with it on the World at One today .... they are plucking figures out of the air for just about everything and it shows.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:33 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:Lefty, lefty Scotland, so much leftier than us Tory English with all our Tory ways

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/ana ... efits-cap/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The YouGov survey for the Scottish Conservatives shows a towering 65% of Scots in favour of the coalition government’s cap on benefits. The payment ceiling limits financial assistance to couples and single parents to £26,000, with ministers arguing that people should not receive more in benefits than the average family income. David Cameron says a re-elected Conservative government would aim to reduce the cap to £23,000, and the poll finds 54% of Scots in agreement with the Tory Prime Minister...

In some ways, Scots unconsciously echo their national bogeyman Margaret Thatcher in their emphasis on individual over social causes of poverty and exclusion. More than seven in ten voters believe child poverty is caused by negative lifestyle choices, such as the refusal of parents to find work. Less than three in ten identify societal causes.

The myth of Scottish difference is pivotal to a certain strain of nationalism. England is a foreign country, greedy where Scotland is generous, mean-spirited where Scotland is compassionate. Scotland shouldn't be independent simply for democratic reasons but for moral ones: We're better than them.

Are we, though? Comparing Scottish and English attitudes towards inequality, tax, and wealth redistribution, John Curtice and Rachel Ormston concluded in 2011 that "Scotland is more social democratic than England – but the difference is only modest”. Moreover, they discovered, "Scotland has become less – not more – social democratic since the advent of devolution”.

I was wondering just now about the social democracy. Doesn't it basically mean you pay more tax for less poverty and better public services?

That must be why council tax is frozen and those income tax powers don't get used. Apparently that would be "paying twice".

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:45 pm

Another Tory spokesperson flails around .... there's video footage on the Adam Boulton twitter feed but I don't know how to embed them here.

Adam Boulton retweeted
Bistua Nuova ‏@BistuaNuova 6m6 minutes ago
If I was Michael Gove I'd call @David_Cameron & ask for forgiveness following @adamboultonSKY interview on @SkyNews That was poor by Michael

Adam Boulton retweeted
con ‏@conlenihan 5m5 minutes ago
@adamboultonSKY must say that was a fine piece of questioning on Michael gove Mr Boulton

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 4m4 minutes ago
"Can you say, hand on heart, people will be better off on min wage under Conservatives?" @adamboultonsky asks Gove

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 9m9 minutes ago
Watch Michael Gove defend the #ConservativeManifesto Right To Buy policy in a fiery exhange with @adamboultonsky

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:48 pm

Angela Eagle retweeted
Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 12m12 minutes ago
Since polls show Labour leading Conservatives in London by 10% the destruction of social housing in the capital makes cruel electoral sense

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:48 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Adam Boulton retweeted
Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 2m2 minutes ago
Michael Gove tells #C4News the Conservatives only need to win 11,000 voters to win a majority. Do they know who the 11,000 are?
Eh? Has someone put some kind of happy slappy implant in Cameron ... he seems to be speeding along spouting out total guff - like a duracell bunny completely out of control.

Heroic targeting there from Gove.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 7:54 pm

Update on Sanctions inquiry

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron- ... responsive

Gill Thompson
Stevenage, United Kingdom
14 Apr 2015 — Dear All,

On 24th March the DWP Select Committee Inquiry’s findings and recommendations were officially published.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 4/814.pdf.

The Labour Party have committed to accept all the recommendations in the DWP select Committee Inquiry report.
The DWP has made an initial response to the report but it’s disappointing that it made no reference to the select committee’s recommendations which would help protect vulnerable people from the inappropriate use of sanctions. In contrast Labour have already said they would accept all the select committee’s recommendations.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:03 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:Lefty, lefty Scotland, so much leftier than us Tory English with all our Tory ways

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/ana ... efits-cap/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The YouGov survey for the Scottish Conservatives shows a towering 65% of Scots in favour of the coalition government’s cap on benefits. The payment ceiling limits financial assistance to couples and single parents to £26,000, with ministers arguing that people should not receive more in benefits than the average family income. David Cameron says a re-elected Conservative government would aim to reduce the cap to £23,000, and the poll finds 54% of Scots in agreement with the Tory Prime Minister...

In some ways, Scots unconsciously echo their national bogeyman Margaret Thatcher in their emphasis on individual over social causes of poverty and exclusion. More than seven in ten voters believe child poverty is caused by negative lifestyle choices, such as the refusal of parents to find work. Less than three in ten identify societal causes.

The myth of Scottish difference is pivotal to a certain strain of nationalism. England is a foreign country, greedy where Scotland is generous, mean-spirited where Scotland is compassionate. Scotland shouldn't be independent simply for democratic reasons but for moral ones: We're better than them.

Are we, though? Comparing Scottish and English attitudes towards inequality, tax, and wealth redistribution, John Curtice and Rachel Ormston concluded in 2011 that "Scotland is more social democratic than England – but the difference is only modest”. Moreover, they discovered, "Scotland has become less – not more – social democratic since the advent of devolution”.
I was wondering just now about the social democracy. Doesn't it basically mean you pay more tax for less poverty and better public services?

That must be why council tax is frozen and those income tax powers don't get used. Apparently that would be "paying twice".

The YouGov survey for the Scottish Conservatives shows a towering 65% of Scots in favour of the coalition government’s cap on benefits.

They get massive subsidies from the rest of the UK. They're not paying all of the benefits.

I wonder how they'd actually feel being thousands of pounds a year worse off? Pensions being cut etc?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:07 pm

XXXXX 14m14 minutes ago
@Plaid_Cymru @LeanneWood too right, they are a party for the South of England and nowhere else! #VotePlaidCymru

Says a Plaid bloke about the Tories, who are currently on 250% of his lot's score in Wales.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:28 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Lively exchange about the Tory position - or lack of clear position - on Heathrow expansion going on between Zac Goldsmith, Paul Waugh and others on twitter.

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 57m57 minutes ago
Buried in Tory manifesto: no repeat of 'No Heathrow expansion'. Will @ZacGoldsmith quit as Tory PPC? Sd wdn't stand on 'ambiguous' manifesto

‏@ZacGoldsmith
@paulwaugh Not what I said! You're allowing yourself to be spoon fed by a LibDem twerp. Green light for expansion = a byelection. Simple
Goldsmith is claiming the Lib Dems wouldn't allow the commission to report before the election because they wanted something to campaign on.

I think Goldsmith is OK there. It was a personal pledge about a by-election, not to refuse to run in the first place.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:34 pm

Govey's Marginal Seat Disaster tour!

UTC in Walsall North closes, leaving hundreds of kids to find another school place.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-04 ... er-school/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:39 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Update on Sanctions inquiry

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron- ... responsive

Gill Thompson
Stevenage, United Kingdom
14 Apr 2015 — Dear All,

On 24th March the DWP Select Committee Inquiry’s findings and recommendations were officially published.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 4/814.pdf.

The Labour Party have committed to accept all the recommendations in the DWP select Committee Inquiry report.
The DWP has made an initial response to the report but it’s disappointing that it made no reference to the select committee’s recommendations which would help protect vulnerable people from the inappropriate use of sanctions. In contrast Labour have already said they would accept all the select committee’s recommendations.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 14/814.pdf

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:41 pm

Night PF.

pk1 wrote:LD bus run out of steam ?

Apparently Nick Clegg is claiming that the bus was crashed by Labour.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:42 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Adam Boulton retweeted
Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 2m2 minutes ago
Michael Gove tells #C4News the Conservatives only need to win 11,000 voters to win a majority. Do they know who the 11,000 are?
Eh? Has someone put some kind of happy slappy implant in Cameron ... he seems to be speeding along spouting out total guff - like a duracell bunny completely out of control.
Heroic targeting there from Gove.

Is there any basis in truth about this claim of 11,000 individual voters & Tory majority, please?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:43 pm

Article in the Indy - housing associations will sue if they are forced to sell their homes.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:44 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently the government now organises sporting events!

We will deliver the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletics Championship in 2017, IPC World Championships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019, maximising the opportunities for tourism and jobs.
Aren't they just great? And there was me thinking that the governing bodies of those sports organised those...and all the time it was the government...

That's incredible. Never knew the Callaghan Government had delivered the 1979 World Cricket Cup.

Surprised Collis King and Viv Richards didn't thank Dennis Howell.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 8:52 pm

ephemerid wrote:Article in the Indy - housing associations will sue if they are forced to sell their homes.

Morning Star say there could be legal action against the government over union reforms. They seem to violate the ILO charter.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:05 pm

Bollocks to that - if you've emigrated 15 years or more ago, you made a choice that you don't want to be part of this country.

No.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:09 pm

Has anyone seen a favourable comment on the Right To Buy policy yet?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:10 pm

More Ed. Don't think Cameron will be making an appearance here....

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:12 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Has anyone seen a favourable comment on the Right To Buy policy yet?

There has been a couple of Tweets saying it's wrong to deny people a chance to buy a home...But honestly, I reckon most Conservative voters are keeping their heads down. Too embarrassed.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:12 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Reading FC at Wembley: Fans criticise First Great Western over rail fares

Royals supporters heading to Wembley have been told they won't be able to purchase group save tickets into London on Saturday

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... se-9039512

First Great Western do that a lot - they do this for Cardiff when there are big matches on at the Millennium Stadium.
If they buy the tickets online they should be able to book group tickets - that's what I've done in the past

My particular bugbear with FGW is that an anytime ticket from Chippenham to Reading costs about £95, but if I buy a ticket Chippenham to Didcot, then another from Didcot to Reading it costs about £55 return

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:12 pm

Fraser Nelson ‏@FraserNelson 34m34 minutes ago
"Everyone earning the Minimum Wage lifted out of income tax altogether," says Cameron. Untrue, says @IsabelHardman: http://specc.ie/1yozHYw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another policy barely lasts the day without the holes appearing.

Alan Rew ‏@alanrew 8m8 minutes ago
@paulwaugh @FraserNelson @IsabelHardman precision with figures has never been one of Cameron's strong points.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:20 pm

That was a ridiculous policy, if taken at face value. The Low Pay Commission would be writing tax policy too.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:29 pm

What's the suggestion with these sporting events? That the SNP will cancel them?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:34 pm

Richard Calhoun retweeted
Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 4 mins4 minutes ago
Ashcroft: Labour Lead in Key Marginals http://order-order.com/2015/04/14/ashcr ... marginals/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

A Guido Fawkes Tweet. I bet that one hurt

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:40 pm

Re Ronnie Caroll :
Mr Carroll was due to stand as an independent in the election in the Hampstead and Kilburn constituency. There was an exchange on twitter last night saying if a candidate dies during an election campaign the poll is closed, and has to be run at a later date.
I can understand that in a by-election, but will be the case in a GE?
(I did ask last night but can't find either my question or any answer, if there was one. Threads are getting longer....)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:44 pm

I can provide an answer there

The answer is no - if an Independent (as Carroll was here, though he has stood for [micro] parties in the past) or "no description" candidate dies during an election campaign, voting goes on without them on the originally planned day. This is because if a party candidate dies, they can be replaced in short order (and the election go ahead after a short delay, as in Thirsk and Malton last time) whereas Indy/etc people are "sui generis" and thus not replaceable.

Carroll will, however, remain on the ballot paper - it will be interesting to see how much support he gets......

Post by **refitman** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:48 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Another Tory spokesperson flails around .... there's video footage on the Adam Boulton twitter feed but I don't know how to embed them here.

Adam Boulton retweeted
Bistua Nuova ‏@BistuaNuova 6m6 minutes ago
If I was Michael Gove I'd call @David_Cameron & ask for forgiveness following @adamboultonSKY interview on @SkyNews That was poor by Michael

Adam Boulton retweeted
con ‏@conlenihan 5m5 minutes ago
@adamboultonSKY must say that was a fine piece of questioning on Michael gove Mr Boulton

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 4m4 minutes ago
"Can you say, hand on heart, people will be better off on min wage under Conservatives?" @adamboultonsky asks Gove

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 9m9 minutes ago
Watch Michael Gove defend the #ConservativeManifesto Right To Buy policy in a fiery exhange with @adamboultonsky

[youtube]BclMYZ7fVZQ[/youtube]
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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:51 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I can provide an answer there

The answer is no - if an Independent (as Carroll was here, though he has stood for [micro] parties in the past) or "no description" candidate dies during an election campaign, voting goes on without them on the originally planned day. This is because if a party candidate dies, they can be replaced in short order (and the election go ahead after a short delay, as in Thirsk and Malton last time) whereas Indy/etc people are "sui generis" and thus not replaceable.

Carroll will, however, remain on the ballot paper - it will be interesting to see how much support he gets......

Thank you, been plaguing me since I read it

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:51 pm

PorFavor wrote:Priti Patel on the BBC - flogged-off housing will be replaced "like for like". Really? So what's the point in selling off the original ones? Arrant rubbish. They just say the first thing that comes into their heads.

Yet others were saying 'on a one-for-one basis' – which is not quite the same thing.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:54 pm

Thank you for embedding the Gove / Boulton video refit - I bow down to your uber geekness.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:57 pm

Gove vs. Bouton is another car crash. Gets particularly bad (or good from our point of view) from about the 6min mark when AB gets onto minimum wage & benefit cuts.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 9:58 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Thank you for embedding the Gove / Boulton video refit - I bow down to your uber geekness.

onebuttonmonkey · Post by **onebuttonmonkey** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:01 pm

Oh good grief. Despite a universal negative response, including from their own columnists, the Telehraph has led tomorrow's front page with "Return of The Good Life."

Here's my rant from earlier, tidied up a little and with some additional bile. I've pretty much run out of swearwords for how dumb politics has been today:

The Party for Ordinary People http://onebuttonmonkey.com/obm/2015/4/1 ... eople.html

Or, in short: bloody hell.

Edit: because hyperlinks aren't magic, they actually need to be pasted. I'm an eedjit.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:07 pm

"The deputy prime minister said he was too busy to attend election hustings in the most student-heavy ward of his Sheffield Hallam constituency, sending a 22-year-old wannabe Lib Dem councillor instead"

Oh Dear.
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Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:09 pm

Reckon Nicola Sturgeon would support these policies if she was unfortunate enough to live in England?

Neither do I.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:10 pm

Gove virtually turns into Geoffrey Norman MP there.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:12 pm

The Tories- taking Policy Exchange drivel and virtually doubling the amount each sale raises.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/fac ... plan/20705" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:13 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Reckon Nicola Sturgeon would support these policies if she was unfortunate enough to live in England?

Neither do I.

So that lovely little essay from the Greens about how good life would be and how much better off we'd be, was a huge stretch of the imagination. Looking at that list the cost of living would shoot up.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:15 pm

None of these tax rises would affect demand or output or anything like that, OhSo.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:17 pm

refitman wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Another Tory spokesperson flails around .... there's video footage on the Adam Boulton twitter feed but I don't know how to embed them here.

Adam Boulton retweeted
Bistua Nuova ‏@BistuaNuova 6m6 minutes ago
If I was Michael Gove I'd call @David_Cameron & ask for forgiveness following @adamboultonSKY interview on @SkyNews That was poor by Michael

Adam Boulton retweeted
con ‏@conlenihan 5m5 minutes ago
@adamboultonSKY must say that was a fine piece of questioning on Michael gove Mr Boulton

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 4m4 minutes ago
"Can you say, hand on heart, people will be better off on min wage under Conservatives?" @adamboultonsky asks Gove

Adam Boulton retweeted
Sky News Tonight ‏@SkyNewsTonight 9m9 minutes ago
Watch Michael Gove defend the #ConservativeManifesto Right To Buy policy in a fiery exhange with @adamboultonsky
[youtube]BclMYZ7fVZQ[/youtube]
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Holy cow.

It's painful to watch & listen to someone lying or delusional - Gove seemed to be one or the other or both. Mr. Adam Boulton, interviewing Gove, was excellent in that he raised questions when he heard Gove make contradictory or misleading statements. Gove didn't like being questioned - he actually seemed to blame his incoherence on being asked to make sense.

I watched & heard Dave earlier today interviewed by Mr. Eamonn Holmes. Eight minutes of Dave not telling or not knowing the truth. Holmes didn't move. If I were Dave, Holmes' body language would've frightened the hell out of me. There wasn't any connection going on between the two - at least it seemed that way to me.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:27 pm

DFH's idiotic sidekick is still at it:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/ ... 57/photo/1

My comment on Labour's manifesto: it matters only if Nicola Sturgeon says so

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:28 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:The Tories- taking Policy Exchange drivel and virtually doubling the amount each sale raises.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/fac ... plan/20705" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If nothing else, I'm taught the wisdom of not lying as a lifestyle choice. Most people don't live like the Tory coalition government have led the last five years - they've made promises they didn't keep & continue to make promises that can't be kept. How do we negotiate with that? It's impossible to be rational with irrational players.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:32 pm

Well, I think we know which way the G is going.
"Labour’s focus on cutting the deficit, means progressive voters will have to look elsewhere for inspiration."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... cit-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:33 pm

danesclose wrote:DFH's idiotic sidekick is still at it:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/ ... 57/photo/1

My comment on Labour's manifesto: it matters only if Nicola Sturgeon says so

My comment on John Rentatool : you don't matter at all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:36 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Well, I think we know which way the G is going.
"Labour’s focus on cutting the deficit, means progressive voters will have to look elsewhere for inspiration."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... cit-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ah, bite me, George M. I don't have the energy to create a perfect political party you can vote for in about 22 days.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:37 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Govey's Marginal Seat Disaster tour!

UTC in Walsall North closes, leaving hundreds of kids to find another school place.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-04 ... er-school/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think I posted earlier that the reason that the manifesto launch was in Swindon was due to 2 marginals not the fact that it was a UTC...probably just as well it hadn't been inspected.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 14 Apr, 2015 10:37 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Well, I think we know which way the G is going.
"Labour’s focus on cutting the deficit, means progressive voters will have to look elsewhere for inspiration."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... cit-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wouldn't pay too much attention to Monbiot - he's been against Labour for as long as I've been reading the Graun.