Monday 20th April 2015

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 6:42 pm

PorFavor wrote:I've probably said this before but I really don't feel that the SNP will do quite so spectacularly well as is predicted.

I do hope you're right. I feel there is a 'shy Labour' vote out there - shy because of the vicious behaviour of some Nats. I sent a tweet the other day saying that if I was in Scotland & polled, I too would say SNP because I'd be guaranteed not to be sent a torrent of abuse for saying anything other than SNP.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 6:59 pm

I needed a laugh & thankfully I found this:

Opinion: Why I believe students should vote for the Liberal Democrats

http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-why- ... l#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 6:59 pm

Earlier today on here I posted Tweets about the intimidation experienced by some in Scotland for voicing, or showing support for Labour. It is happening. How widespread it is though doesn't seem to be known.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:13 pm

Good evening all. Over at The Grauniad, even the arch-Thatcherite Michael Forsyth is criticising the Tories attitude to Scotland, and praising Ed Miliband

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... rd-forsyth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:13 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:More election weirdness in Southampton Itchen. This is the seat with the 4th-smallest majority over the Tories, and the MP John Denham is standing down, so there's no incumbency effect to rely on. Yet there's something mightily strange going on with the Tory campaign here. We've only had two leaflets (compared with five or six Labour ones) and a rather strange mailout from the central Tory party which didn't mention the candidate by name at all. The first election leaflet for Royston Smith did not use recognisable Conservative branding and barely mentioned the party. The second one, received today, doesn't mention the Conservative Party at all. Not even once. Not even in the small print.

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This is a marginal seat in the South East of England - and yet the Tory 'brand' seems to be considered a liability.

(I've got better scans of these. Does anyone favour sending them to Sparrow or another journo? I'd have thought election literature in a key Tory-Labour marginal that doesn't even mention the name of the party is something of a story).

I'd vote for a local person dedicated to making sure people drove 20 MPH where it was the law to do so. Not the Tory holding the sign in the picture, of course, but if I were someone who didn't pay attention to politics but made it a habit to vote, I can see where that sign & name could be what it took to get a Tory MP for that constituency.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:16 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Earlier today on here I posted Tweets about the intimidation experienced by some in Scotland for voicing, or showing support for Labour. It is happening. How widespread it is though doesn't seem to be known.

The only posters I've seen around here are SNP ones (though not many of them).

There have been several reports of intimidation (some of these reports may have already been posted here).

THE SNP were slammed for using “intimidation” tactics today after encouraging supporters to photograph Labour activists and post the pictures on the internet.
The Edinburgh Western SNP branch asked supporters to take the “sinister” action if Labour canvassers called at their door.
The official Facebook page of the branch posted a message saying: “If a Labour (sic) come to your door ask them about: 1. Trident renewal 2. Austerity vote 3. Fracking moratorium vote.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... cs-5186824

http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.c ... ctics.html

Margaret Curran, the shadow Scottish secretary, is knocking on doors in her efforts to be re-elected as Labour MP for Glasgow East. But there’s an addition to the usual campaign scene: Mrs Curran is being “hunted” (their word) by a pair of aggressive Scottish National Party activists.
They’re following her around. They’re filming her. And as a woman voter opens her front door, and Mrs Curran tries to talk to her, the SNP duo are standing at the garden gate, shouting at them both.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... miles.html

http://labourlist.org/2015/04/what-does ... y-justice/

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:25 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Earlier today on here I posted Tweets about the intimidation experienced by some in Scotland for voicing, or showing support for Labour. It is happening. How widespread it is though doesn't seem to be known.
The only posters I've seen around here are SNP ones (though not many of them).

There have been several reports of intimidation (some of these reports may have already been posted here).

THE SNP were slammed for using “intimidation” tactics today after encouraging supporters to photograph Labour activists and post the pictures on the internet.
The Edinburgh Western SNP branch asked supporters to take the “sinister” action if Labour canvassers called at their door.
The official Facebook page of the branch posted a message saying: “If a Labour (sic) come to your door ask them about: 1. Trident renewal 2. Austerity vote 3. Fracking moratorium vote.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... cs-5186824
http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.c ... ctics.html

Margaret Curran, the shadow Scottish secretary, is knocking on doors in her efforts to be re-elected as Labour MP for Glasgow East. But there’s an addition to the usual campaign scene: Mrs Curran is being “hunted” (their word) by a pair of aggressive Scottish National Party activists.
They’re following her around. They’re filming her. And as a woman voter opens her front door, and Mrs Curran tries to talk to her, the SNP duo are standing at the garden gate, shouting at them both.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... miles.html
http://labourlist.org/2015/04/what-does ... y-justice/

Totally unacceptable for this harassment to happen. Scary.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:27 pm

Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 3h 3 hours ago
Nick Clegg has had words with St Ives MP after Andrew George said another coalition with Tories will not happen. Clegg: "He is one voice".

Well there you have it. Wish Andrew George would become an Independent ... he doesn't seem to fit the Lib Dem mold (or should that be mould?).

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:30 pm

Talking of the teachers' poll, this is marvellous...she just doesn't get it at all.

KatharineBirbalsingh @Miss_Snuffy · 22h 22 hours ago
KatharineBirbalsingh retweeted Sam Freedman
This is crazy. Gove being gone is reason not to vote Tory. Not the other way round. KatharineBirbalsingh added,

Sam Freedman @Samfr
Nearly 30% of teachers planning to vote Tory according to new poll. It was just 16% last January. https://news.tes.co.uk/b/news/2015/04/1 ... -vote.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Post by **refitman** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:41 pm

Have a chuckle: Dr SeUSSKip

https://hurstaka.wordpress.com/2015/04/ ... skip-says/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:44 pm

Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 40m 40 minutes ago
The Tories are just running a scorched earth campaign now, aren't they? Desperate to win, even if that means fuelling the break-up of the UK

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:46 pm

Has anybody been watching Channel 4 News and the Cameron bus? Ha, ha, ha, ha. No smiley could do it justice.

Edit: shit I'll have to iPlay Miliband. Still the rest of you have 4oD.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:46 pm

Well there's still a few quid to squeeze out of the old place yet.

(vis a vis Tory determination to win at all costs)

Edited to add clarity.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:47 pm

Nicholas Watt ‏@nicholaswatt 5m5 minutes ago
Lynton Crosby + his 'shoals of Salmonds and Sturgeons' – @Conservatives joke about activists wearing face masks http://gu.com/p/47kaf/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bears out the Owen Jones tweet.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:48 pm

utopiandreams wrote:Has anybody been watching Channel 4 News and the Cameron bus? Ha, ha, ha, ha. No smiley could do it justice.

Do tell us a bit more utopian ...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:53 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 · 40m 40 minutes ago
The Tories are just running a scorched earth campaign now, aren't they? Desperate to win, even if that means fuelling the break-up of the UK

At the Indy Ref, they were saying Cameron was desperate not to go down as the PM that lost the Union...That seems to have gone out of the window... Unless of course they blame it on Labour... Which they probably will...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:54 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 7:59 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
utopiandreams wrote:Has anybody been watching Channel 4 News and the Cameron bus? Ha, ha, ha, ha. No smiley could do it justice.
Do tell us a bit more utopian ...

I couldn't do it justice, rebecca. Well I found it hilarious anyway and was too busy laughing for much to sink in. Tory self-parody is far more humorous than anything I can conceive. Still it's given me material for tomorrow morning, whereas I had nothing till I posted this a.m.

Edit: perhaps I should say a couple of things to complete my tale. It's far too big a leap to get to where I have.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:17 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:26 pm

Sister of ex-soldier 'killed by benefits cuts' slams David Cameron over Andrew Marr comments
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/si ... ts-5554588" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr Cameron ignored the chance to apologise and instead snapped that the Government had introduced hardship funds to help people like David.

After watching the show, David's sister Gill Thompson described Mr Cameron's reaction as “totally heartless”.

She told the Mirror the Tory leader "obviously had no understanding" of what happened to her brother.

"David couldn’t have applied for a hardship fund because he was already dead," Gill said.

"You have to wait two weeks to apply for it when you are on Job Seekers Allowance. He was dead within those two weeks.

"David Cameron seems to think everyone who is sanctioned is a scrounger. Well, How dare he. David died with a pile of CVs just four feet feet from his body."

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:29 pm

Katie Hopkins and The Sun editor are reported to police for incitement to racial hatred following migrant boat column
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 90549.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:30 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Goodnight, PF

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:30 pm

Further to that picture of the Bullingdon Boyz in front of the train, I thought at first, given the access platform to the train, and the shiny paint on an old commuter chugger, that they were in a railway museum.

Apparently it's where Arriva trains hose down and splash a bit of paint (badly - look at the brushwork. You'd think those workfare/£2 an hour apprentice types were just told to slop some cheap paint over the rust and to be thankful for the work "experience") on their ancient rolling stock before sending them out to do battle with the travelling public. Again.

Hey-ho. Another train crash for the Crosby Flyer.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:51 pm

Rupert Murdoch berated Sun journalists for not doing enough to attack Ed Miliband

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media ... 91005.html

Did I repost the cool Ed Miliband stuff earlier?

Surprised no one commented. I thought a few here would swoon a little given recent chat.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:52 pm

SNP manifesto 2015: A document drafted in weakness
The SNP combine electoral hegemony with political weakness, and their manifesto reflects that.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... d-weakness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So the end result is a position of electoral strength and political weakness at Westminister, and as a result the SNP’s manifesto will leave the reader with a sense of déjà vu. A commitment to restore the 50p rate of income tax, a raid on bankers’ bonuses, the end to the married couples’ tax allowance, the abolition of non-dom status and further taxes on expensive homes: these are all Labour policies.

Far from offering a radical left alternative, it feels as if it is the SNP being pulled leftward by Ed Miliband. These are, for the most part, policies that have long been championed by the Labour leader but opposed by the Nationalists. There are areas where the Labour leader has been outbid; a minimum wage of £8.70 an hour as opposed to £8. But on housing, the SNP fall badly short, promising half (100,000 a year) the new homes that Labour offer (200,000 a year). Tax breaks for businesses paying living wage has been Labour policy for several years now, and is in fact already being implemented by Labour-controlled local authorities in England.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:55 pm

diGriz wrote:
Rupert Murdoch berated Sun journalists for not doing enough to attack Ed Miliband

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media ... 91005.html

Did I repost the cool Ed Miliband stuff earlier?

Surprised no one commented. I thought a few here would swoon a little given recent chat.

I saw it! Was going to reply then got distracted - sorry

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 8:56 pm

Ed's interview if anyone missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:05 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Ed's interview if anyone missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hate Even Davis

(Just watching it now.)

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:05 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Ed's interview if anyone missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can't actually watch it. That presenter is awful.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:15 pm

diGriz wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Ed's interview if anyone missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't actually watch it. That presenter is awful.

It gets a bit better

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:22 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
diGriz wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Ed's interview if anyone missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't actually watch it. That presenter is awful.
It gets a bit better

I thought Ed stood his ground when interrupted or side-tracked into hypothetical discussion.

Cuts must be affecting the BBC though, when they have to interview the leader of the opposition in a corridor (or was it a prison landing?)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:28 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
diGriz wrote: I can't actually watch it. That presenter is awful.
It gets a bit better
I thought Ed stood his ground when interrupted or side-tracked into hypothetical discussion.

Cuts must be affecting the BBC though, when they have to interview the leader of the opposition in a corridor (or was it a prison landing?)

You are right he did stand his ground. It got much better as it went on.
Its in some technology centre that's being build - not sure why they chose there and it is an odd place to do interviews. They did Clegg there as well (Has Cameron been interviewed by ED yet? He's supposed to be doing them all)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:31 pm

ED has done the Cameron interview

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... n-defence/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rearofthestore · Post by **rearofthestore** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:31 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Lord Ashcroft
Ashcroft National Poll, 17-19 April: CON 34%, LAB 30%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 13%, GRN 4%. Details on @ConHome, 4pm:
Yeah, right!
Labour on the same percentage as the last GE - indeed, a likely story (not)

I notice on the Vote UK forum a couple of LibDem posters getting really excited by Scottish subset results of this poll showing them just 4% behind Labour.

Scottish subsample has:
SNP 59%
Lab 15%
LD 11%
Con 10%

Garbage!

Post by **refitman** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:45 pm

Hold on to your hats, Priti Patel had another crap interview, this time with Eddie Mair.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02p57v5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I do wish she'd stop dropping her 'g's.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:47 pm

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1h1 hour ago

Student voting intention (YouthSight | 02 - 08 Apr):
LAB - 35%
CON - 25%
GRN - 15%
LDEM - 9%
SNP - 7%
UKIP - 6%

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1h1 hour ago

Chart of student voting intention since late 2013.
(via YouthSight)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDDxt_tVIAAWbSn.jpg:large" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:59 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: It gets a bit better
I thought Ed stood his ground when interrupted or side-tracked into hypothetical discussion.

Cuts must be affecting the BBC though, when they have to interview the leader of the opposition in a corridor (or was it a prison landing?)
You are right he did stand his ground. It got much better as it went on.
Its in some technology centre that's being build - not sure why they chose there and it is an odd place to do interviews. They did Clegg there as well (Has Cameron been interviewed by ED yet? He's supposed to be doing them all)

Francis Crick Centre across the road from St Pancras. Looks nice from the outside.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 9:59 pm

An idle thought passed through my head
What if
The referendum question had been
Do you want Scotland to stay part of the UK?
The positive YES could have made so much difference.
No starts off negative and all campaigning takes on the negative quality.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:01 pm

Just watched that interview with Ed.

The way Davis begun, I thought was particularly pathetic so I was pleased Ed refused to go along with the silly games.

On inequality however, Ed came alive & it's clearly the thing that 'makes him tick' I'm not sure I have ever been aware of a PM with such desire to reduce inequality in my adult life. I particularly liked that Ed was clearly aware of evidence that suggests the current measures are failing to reduce the gap between the wealthy & the poor.

Good job Ed, even if it did start off looking as though we were heading for a car-crash !

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:20 pm

I watched Ed Miliband in the BBC Leader Interviews hosted by Evan Davis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Davis, what part of feudal economics don't you get? Some few people getting most of the rewards of the work done by everyone has a result we all can witness. Notes & studies are conducted & written down. The scientific method is cool like that. A society trending towards greater inequality between social groups is dysfunctional. It's harmful to the whole country & people, including those few wealthy at the top. One more time, Davis, inequality itself destroys the wealth-making society in its entirety.

Davis' question about individual couples' decision 'to have children they can't afford' & how do you feel about that, Ed Miliband?
????
Miliband answered well. It's inappropriate for a leader of government to interfere with the family planning decisions of the people.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:25 pm

Tory Tweeters Ignore Flagship Housing Policy Rejected by Voters
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -by-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The policy that David Cameron put at the heart of his U.K. re-election campaign has featured in less than 2 percent of his Conservative Party’s posts on social media, after polls showed voters reject it.
Of 436 Twitter and Facebook posts sent from the party’s five main accounts since April 15, only eight refer to a plan to give poorer families the chance to buy at a discount the homes they currently rent.
The prime minister announced the policy a day earlier, saying it was part of his mission to give Britons a taste of “the good life.” Voters disagree. A YouGov Plc poll found it was the least popular of the party’s headline policies, with 57 percent saying it was the wrong priority and 28 percent saying it was a good idea.
“I’m not surprised they’ve stopped talking about it,” Anthony Wells, director of political and social opinion polling at YouGov, said in an interview. “It hasn’t gone down too well. Of course, the fact that they’re not talking about it publicly doesn’t mean they’re not putting it in direct mail to people who’ll benefit from the policy. But I suspect they thought it would be more popular than it is.”...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:26 pm

FTN seems to be slowing up again.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:28 pm

pk1 wrote:Just watched that interview with Ed.

The way Davis begun, I thought was particularly pathetic so I was pleased Ed refused to go along with the silly games.

On inequality however, Ed came alive & it's clearly the thing that 'makes him tick' I'm not sure I have ever been aware of a PM with such desire to reduce inequality in my adult life. I particularly liked that Ed was clearly aware of evidence that suggests the current measures are failing to reduce the gap between the wealthy & the poor.

Good job Ed, even if it did start off looking as though we were heading for a car-crash !

Agreed!
A mature man, Ed Miliband, he's not playing games & Davis' questions interruptions were bizarre, rude & Miliband didn't play. At Davis' worst, Miliband calmly shook his head at Davis' antics. Miliband answered appropriately, consistently & with measured calm. Most importantly, as you've written, Ed Miliband is asking those who want a society valuing & rewarding the work & contributions all of us make to vote for a Labour government. He made that point clear above Davis' weirdness tangents successfully every time.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:31 pm

On the FTN slowing up thing, if we haven't already done it I suggest a cull of everything older than a year on the DP pages.

It may help send the squirrel error away, this permitting it to return to stalking David Cameron.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:33 pm

@SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 34%, LAB 35%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%

Post by **adam** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:39 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:An idle thought passed through my head
What if
The referendum question had been
Do you want Scotland to stay part of the UK?
The positive YES could have made so much difference.
No starts off negative and all campaigning takes on the negative quality.

Absolutely - I think it was one of two ridiculous giveaways that Cameron made when he absolutely didn't need to - the other was settling on independence by half of those expressing a preference plus one, with no turnout threshold and no enhanced majority. To amend the US constitution you need the will of the president, two thirds of both houses of congress (or two thirds of the states applying to congress) and three quarters of the states!

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:41 pm

I think Ed needs to head off Cameron's SNP strategy by going for the jugular and I think he has cover to do it - thanks to Tory mutterings.

Ed should attack Cameron for demonising the Scots, point out they are part of the UK and their votes count the same whoever they vote for. He should then quote Boris at him and state how outrageous it all is. He should then say Labour campaigned for the Union because it is better for Scotland and for the UK economically. It was true then and it remains true today.

Finally Ed should say Cameron and Johnson are acting like children and are prepared to force the break up of the UK just to stay in power. This will make everybody poorer. Miliband should say this must not be permitted and he will stand up to protect the union, and that means treating all nations within it with respect. Finally sign off with the argument a vote for Cameron will break up the UK, only Labour will fight to keep it. If Scotland one day wishes to leave it should not be because of the childish insults of the Tories.

That will have the traditional Tories snarling at Cameron.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:43 pm

TE - maybe you could give him a quick call (if you haven't already)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:48 pm

Wow, Newsnight are reporting that the Chilcott report won't be out this year let alone before the election.

Due to the correspondence with people being criticised in the report apparently - they've given up setting a deadline for this to be completed.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 20 Apr, 2015 10:51 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:TE - maybe you could give him a quick call (if you haven't already)

While Ed is delighted to take my money, I rather doubt he would take a phone call from me

Besides never ask an Engineer for advice on social interaction