Monday 15th September 2014

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 5:39 pm

Apparently Cameron gave a decent speech in Aberdeen, writing this goes down like a cup of sick, but credit where it's due..

Right, got that out of my system.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 5:45 pm

Aberdeen used to be their best city in Scotland.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:02 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Apparently Cameron gave a decent speech in Aberdeen, writing this goes down like a cup of sick, but credit where it's due..

Right, got that out of my system.

AndrewSparrow ‏@AndrewSparrow 17s
Cameron's #indyref speech - My snap verdict - Rarely have I heard a PM sound so powerless - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sco ... 1640d600f8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:07 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Apparently Cameron gave a decent speech in Aberdeen, writing this goes down like a cup of sick, but credit where it's due..

Right, got that out of my system.

I heard the speech. He delivered it in a rather peculiar, strangled (emoting?) voice interspersed with passages delivered in his "strong statesman" voice. The content was ok-ish, I suppose, given the reason for giving the speech but my intense dislike of the man is too great for me to have been impressed - although I am trying to be impartial in my opinion of the speech, as a speech. If you follow my drift.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:13 pm

PorFavor wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Apparently Cameron gave a decent speech in Aberdeen, writing this goes down like a cup of sick, but credit where it's due..

Right, got that out of my system.

I heard the speech. He delivered it in a rather peculiar, strangled (emoting?) voice interspersed with passages delivered in his "strong statesman" voice. The content was ok-ish, I suppose, given the reason for giving the speech but my intense dislike of the man is too great for me to have been impressed - although I am trying to be impartial in my opinion of the speech, as a speech. If you follow my drift.

I follow your drift entirely, I didn't watch it, I am only going by what I have read, but with anything concerning Cameron I suppose you must remember he can be an actor at times, a D-lister, but actor all the same.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:15 pm

a vote that could associate his premiership with the destruction of a 307-year-old union.

I can see an HM Bateman-stylee cartoon being drawn especially in Cameron's honour for Saturday morning's papers.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:17 pm

40% of Plaid Cymru supporters would vote against independence, handy nationalists!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:26 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
yahyah wrote:Mods might want to delete this.

A post in Feature & Analysis about Lingerie & Panties and it's all in Russian.

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?f=8 ... 2797#p2797" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've told them we FTNers don't wear knickers.

And I use a hoist and pulleys now instead of a bra...

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:45 pm

Leanne Wood:

If the people of Wales want independence they need to vote for Plaid Cymru so we can start implementing a plan.

No chance.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 6:49 pm

As you stand in the stillness of the polling booth, I hope you will ask yourself this.

Will my family and I truly be better off by going it alone?

Will we really be more safe and secure?

Do I really want to turn my back on the rest of Britain, and why is it that so many people across the world are asking: why would Scotland want to do that? Why?

That can't go down well, surely.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 7:20 pm

The Guardian has come over all tablety. They've mimicked other 'news' sites and haven't a politics section on the main page. I'm not enjoying the experience.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 7:23 pm

Off on a tangent here, but if anyone's annoyed at finding a U2 album downloaded on their Apple devices, assuming you have one, here is a removal device, I just did it, and it works, I have enough shit on my phone/ipod with U2 adding to it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29208540" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 7:25 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

. . . . why would Scotland want to do that? Why?
That can't go down well, surely.

Blimey. I must have dozed off for that bit. Sounds like a bit of dialogue from one of those spoof dramas which used to be part of "Round the Horne". Did he keep saying, in throbbing, Betty Marsden-style, "Charles! Oh, Charles!"?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 7:29 pm

diGriz wrote:The Guardian has come over all tablety. They've mimicked other 'news' sites and haven't a politics section on the main page. I'm not enjoying the experience.

Find myself going there less and less, not really missing to be honest.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 7:42 pm

Cybernat on Twitter trying to tell me people at the pro-Union demo in London don't count because they didn't go to Scotland for it.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:05 pm

Amongst everything that is going on, the Tories increase their lead to 48% when it comes to competence on running the economy, and the Labour conference starts next Monday.

With that in mind, it would be good to get back to concentrating on the normal run of things.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:10 pm

Oh yeah, Happy Birthday to Dan, Dan the Refit Man!

(noticed that birthday thingie)

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:14 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Amongst everything that is going on, the Tories increase their lead to 48% when it comes to competence on running the economy, and the Labour conference starts next Monday.

With that in mind, it would be good to get back to concentrating on the normal run of things.

The timing of the conference is bad. If Scotland do vote Yes then that's all that will be reported for the next week and if the Labour conference is mentioned it'll be about how Labour are going to lose loads of MPs and "will never win an election ever again!!!" as the more hyperbolic will repeat over and over.

The only plus side will be that the Tories will have a couple of weeks to tear themselves apart over it.

Frankly I doubt we'll have 'normal' back until after the next election at least.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:20 pm

Spacedone wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Amongst everything that is going on, the Tories increase their lead to 48% when it comes to competence on running the economy, and the Labour conference starts next Monday.

With that in mind, it would be good to get back to concentrating on the normal run of things.
The timing of the conference is bad. If Scotland do vote Yes then that's all that will be reported for the next week and if the Labour conference is mentioned it'll be about how Labour are going to lose loads of MPs and "will never win an election ever again!!!" as the more hyperbolic will repeat over and over.

The only plus side will be that the Tories will have a couple of weeks to tear themselves apart over it.

Frankly I doubt we'll have 'normal' back until after the next election at least.

Yes, depending on how things are when we wake up on Friday morning, if indeed you do, next week we could be uncharted waters, Tories are snapping at the leash as it is, Labour, with the loss of 40+ seats and polls tightening, Christ knows.. Glasgow vote should be out at 5am, think I will be up for that?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:22 pm

I've just figured out who the other "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" is after popping into the latest Guardian article and reading some remarkably silly posts from them.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:27 pm

Spacedone wrote:I've just figured out who the other "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" is after popping into the latest Guardian article and reading some remarkably silly posts from them.

Which latest one is that, there's a threat to the NHS from a No vote bollocking bollocks up now?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:33 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Spacedone wrote:I've just figured out who the other "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" is after popping into the latest Guardian article and reading some remarkably silly posts from them.
Which latest one is that, there's a threat to the NHS from a No vote bollocking bollocks up now?

The 63% of English and Welsh voters are against a currency union article, which strangely the Guardian have decided to phrase as English and Welsh voters denying Scotland the pound as punishment for independence.

Quite a few posters BTL objecting to inflammatory language used in the article/headline.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:35 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/s ... ses-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bit more on rail. The locus classicus for horrendous fare rises is Brighton this time- though think it's been relatively unscathed before because it has two competing routes to London.

Even with Balls exempting investment from spending limits, there's not much room for manoeuvre here. The fare rises do fund investment.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:36 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Oh yeah, Happy Birthday to Dan, Dan the Refit Man!

(noticed that birthday thingie)

Seconded!

Happy Bday!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:38 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Oh yeah, Happy Birthday to Dan, Dan the Refit Man!

(noticed that birthday thingie)

And from me!
Happy Birthday, thanks for all you do here (and thanks to all the mods)

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:41 pm

I expect the "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" won't like this piece by Johanna Baxter in Labour List, possibly because his own posts today are much the sort of thing she is talking about.

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/the-natio ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:42 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Oh yeah, Happy Birthday to Dan, Dan the Refit Man!

(noticed that birthday thingie)
And from me!
Happy Birthday, thanks for all you do here (and thanks to all the mods)

And me. Did anybody bring cales?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:47 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:I expect the "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" won't like this piece by Johanna Baxter in Labour List, possibly because his own posts today are much the sort of thing she is talking about.

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/the-natio ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wee Eck would describe the intimidation Baxter writes about as ''passionate debate'' he made much the same point on C4 news earlier, 99.99% have been gracious and good natured in their campaigning.. Yeah.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:51 pm

Twitter account of The Scottish Broadcasting Service. Quite a good piss-take.

https://twitter.com/SBS_Guidelines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 8:54 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:I expect the "usually sensible Guardian poster who has gone a bit off the rails over Scottish independence" won't like this piece by Johanna Baxter in Labour List, possibly because his own posts today are much the sort of thing she is talking about.

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/the-natio ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wee Eck would describe the intimidation Baxter writes about as ''passionate debate'' he made much the same point on C4 news earlier, 99.99% have been gracious and good natured in their campaigning.. Yeah.

Good manners prevents me from expressing my opinion about that.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:09 pm

Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone.

Cake:

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:25 pm

Happy Birthday Refitman,lovely cake.

According to an Andrew Sparrow tweet,N Dorries states that she doesn't actually think the Government wastes money allowing the Scottish to eat deep fried Mars Bars,she was just articulating view of people that do.Well that's alright then.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:29 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Oh yeah, Happy Birthday to Dan, Dan the Refit Man!

(noticed that birthday thingie)
And from me!
Happy Birthday, thanks for all you do here (and thanks to all the mods)
And me. Did anybody bring cales?

Roger might have given it is a city of historical importance in the south of Italy

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:34 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: And from me!
Happy Birthday, thanks for all you do here (and thanks to all the mods)
And me. Did anybody bring cales?
Roger might have given it is a city of historical importance in the south of Italy

I blame my typo on exhaustion and extreme hunger brought on by lack of cake.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:37 pm

Liz McInnes selected for Heywood & Middleton.

Look how quick this one has been, my seats selection has been going on for months..

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:39 pm

Spacedone wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Amongst everything that is going on, the Tories increase their lead to 48% when it comes to competence on running the economy, and the Labour conference starts next Monday.

With that in mind, it would be good to get back to concentrating on the normal run of things.
The timing of the conference is bad. If Scotland do vote Yes then that's all that will be reported for the next week and if the Labour conference is mentioned it'll be about how Labour are going to lose loads of MPs and "will never win an election ever again!!!" as the more hyperbolic will repeat over and over.

The only plus side will be that the Tories will have a couple of weeks to tear themselves apart over it.

Frankly I doubt we'll have 'normal' back until after the next election at least.

I think it's hard to underestimate the significance of a Yes vote, if it happens. I suspect nobody but nobody understands the true ramifications.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:39 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote: And me. Did anybody bring cales?
Roger might have given it is a city of historical importance in the south of Italy
I blame my typo on exhaustion and extreme hunger brought on by lack of cake.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:41 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Liz McInnes selected for Heywood & Middleton.

Look how quick this one has been, my seats selection has been going on for months..

On the face of it looks like a good choice. Reasonably local and good credentials on Health.

Ernst will no doubt put me right later

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:43 pm

P.S. TBF the by-election is on 9 October so they couldn't hang around!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:43 pm

Well that was inevitable I guess - clearly wasn't going to remain on its own for long given what's happened.

Exclusive: Kings Science Academy to join Bradford’s Dixons academy chain

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/mai ... -1-6842349

THE KINGS Science Academy is to join another academy chain in Bradford, it emerged tonight.

The scandal-hit free school will become part of the Dixons group at the beginning of next year.

Parent were told of the news in a letter today.

Governors at Kings had asked the Department for Education (DfE) to find a new sponsor following the dismissal of its original principal and founder Sajid Raza. The school has been at the centre of a financial scandal for almost a year after it emerged that a DfE audit investigation alleged that the school had submitted fabricated invoices to claim public money in 2011.

I guess there'll be a deafening silence from the New Schools Network who pride themselves on their:

SUPPORT FOR OPEN SCHOOLS

and Mr Alan Lewis ex-chair of governors/ definitely not ex-chair of governors (delete as applicable) and Tory vice-chairman.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:45 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well that was inevitable I guess - clearly wasn't ging to remain on its own for long given what's happened.

Exclusive: Kings Science Academy to join Bradford’s Dixons academy chain

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/mai ... -1-6842349

THE KINGS Science Academy is to join another academy chain in Bradford, it emerged tonight.

The scandal-hit free school will become part of the Dixons group at the beginning of next year.

Parent were told of the news in a letter today.

Governors at Kings had asked the Department for Education (DfE) to find a new sponsor following the dismissal of its original principal and founder Sajid Raza. The school has been at the centre of a financial scandal for almost a year after it emerged that a DfE audit investigation alleged that the school had submitted fabricated invoices to claim public money in 2011.
I guess there'll be a deafening silence from the New Schools Network who pride themselves on their:

SUPPORT FOR OPEN SCHOOLS
and Mr Alan Lewis ex-chair of governors/ definitely not ex-chair of governors (delete as applicable) and Tory vice-chairman.

Which of "parent were" is the typo?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:47 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:P.S. TBF the by-election is on 9 October so they couldn't hang around!

Yes, it just goes to show it can be done.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:54 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:P.S. TBF the by-election is on 9 October so they couldn't hang around!
Yes, it just goes to show it can be done.

Fair point.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:56 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Liz McInnes selected for Heywood & Middleton.

Look how quick this one has been, my seats selection has been going on for months..
On the face of it looks like a good choice. Reasonably local and good credentials on Health.

Ernst will no doubt put me right later

She's a union rep for Unite, so expect some "Unite pull the strings of Labour" guff during campaign.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:58 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · 2m
If anybody's interested tonight's YouGov/Sun poll
CON 31
LAB 35
LD 7
UKIP 15

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:59 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 3m
If anybody's interested tonight's YouGov/Sun poll
CON 31
LAB 35
LD 7
UKIP 15

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 9:59 pm

SNAP!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:00 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Liz McInnes selected for Heywood & Middleton.

Look how quick this one has been, my seats selection has been going on for months..
On the face of it looks like a good choice. Reasonably local and good credentials on Health.

Ernst will no doubt put me right later
She's a union rep for Unite, so expect some "Unite pull the strings of Labour" guff during campaign.

Excellent.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:00 pm

Something I knew but hadn't checked on the proportion, is that the New Schools network don't help every Free School which I guess is obvious as some like ARK will know precisely what to do without needing to pay the NSN for their 'assistance'.

This from the latest set of accounts:

..........Schools....NSN help
2012........55.........41
2013........95.........69

But then you get the claims which apply to all Free Schools not just the ones they've helped. That's basically dishonest. Apparently as a charity they're beyond the reach of FOI so we can't find out which is which.

I quite fancy doing a NSN-bashing post...there was an interesting "related party" comment on the last set of accounts qhich sounded very defensive to me - a "how could anyone possible think this?" - I'll keep you in suspense...

Edit - and including schools that converted from fee-paying independent is dishonest too.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:04 pm

The SBS twitter feed is epic.

I love the concept of introducing people with descriptive labels, like patriot or traitor.