Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 2:36 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 2:42 pm

Harman will soon effectively be history in Labour terms anyway. People thus shouldn't get too upset at what she says.

The next leader will be free to set their own course, and hopefully will......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 2:48 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Harman will soon effectively be history in Labour terms anyway. People thus shouldn't get too upset at what she says.

The next leader will be free to set their own course, and hopefully will......

Yes - but she appears to be rather intent on influencing who the next leader will be, though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 2:52 pm

Mot du jour alert!

Intent

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 2:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:Mot du jour alert!

Intent

Is that like a 'vin du jour' - something we should all have a good slug of and never mind the consequences?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:07 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Harman will soon effectively be history in Labour terms anyway. People thus shouldn't get too upset at what she says.

The next leader will be free to set their own course, and hopefully will......

I don't think this is right.

Once this position is adopted, it will be impossible to reverse (save by Corbyn).

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:08 pm

The acceptance of the Tory "welfare" cuts is a painful, and dramatic illustration of how you can only move politics in your direction by being in government.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:17 pm

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/action- ... ullarticle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Action day 10: MoJ denies manipulating legal aid figures

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:38 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19541.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Poshness tests. From a couple of weeks ago, but that doesn't make me seethe any the less.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:48 pm

On the Harman thing, she has always been a second rate politician and after Abbott and Byrne one of Labour's biggest liabilities.

However there is a tactical logic to the decision, this is going to happen and reversing it will be expensive and relatively few people will benefit.

Tax credits on the other hand will impact far more people.

In my view I think this is all barking, our demographic means we should be encouraging people to have kids not discouraging them. Harman should have opposed this on the grounds of morality, insanity and the fact it means the Tories are depending on immigration to solve the demographic problem. That way she could even have convinced the Kippers it was daft.

But then again Harman always was useless.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:54 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 19541.html

Poshness tests. From a couple of weeks ago, but that doesn't make me seethe any the less.

From the linked article:

One employer frankly admitted his firm’s recruitment practices were loaded against young working-class applicants. But, he asked: “How much mud do I have to sift through in that population to find that diamond?”

Charming. Of course all posh people are diamonds and come gift-wrapped and labelled "success". No sifting necessary, eh? Spoilt for choice, if anything.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:55 pm

Quite

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 5:20 pm

Burnham says he opposes cuts to child tax credits.

Are you supposed to stay in the shadow cabinet if you oppose party policy?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 5:56 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... _mumbling/

The most recent two posts in Chris Dillow's blog about why raising the minimum wage is such a bad idea (and no substitute for tax credits) is well worth reading.

One is that the best way to raise wages is to raise productivity.And a good way of doing this is to have greater worker control of firms and less top-down management: it was - remember - the latter that contributed to the collapse of banks.

The other is that policies that increase workers' bargaining power - such as fuller employment, stronger trades unions, a citizens' income that allows workers to reject bad jobs - are surely better ways of raising wages than a mandatory "living wage."

Some merit in those passages though I'm uncertain why Dillow thinks a mandatory living wage is incompatible with increased worker bargaining power, strong unions & a guaranteed citizens' income allowing crap employment conditions & wages to be consigned to history.

Dillow writes George Osborne's Emergency Summer Budget 2015 is considered 'good politics' though it's ripping off people with the least. It's a Tory rip off budget, yes. He writes Labour's betrayal of workers has allowed Tories to lift a Labour policy, like the minimum wage or the living wage, & explains this is why the Tory budget got away with being considered 'good politics'. Nah, crap Tory policies are due to crap Tory values & Labour isn't responsible for Tory exploitative leadership. Dillow should have stuck with his duly noted observation any 'good politics' logo the Tory budget grasps ineffectively is due to favouritism shown Tory controlled media.

Dillow's repeated assertion the Labour party aren't currently workers representing other workers but uppity managers condescendingly offering workers crumbs indicates Dillow isn't satisfied with the Labour party's democratic socialist policy. However, he footnotes the quote below after bewailing Labour are now no different from Tories:

Labour has, of course, always been split along these lines, being a coalition of middle-class do-gooders and trades unionists. It is only recently, though, that the former became so dominant.

Tell you what, Mr Dillow, f*** off & form your own workers' party if you're so thoroughly disgusted with the Labour party's historical & contemporary representation of workers & other regular people.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Though a significant part of that was the Tories had enough wealth to pay people to deliver their stuff - does Labour?

There it is.
Yes.
Tories bought the election fair & square, yeah.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:07 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Burnham says he opposes cuts to child tax credits.

Are you supposed to stay in the shadow cabinet if you oppose party policy?

Harmon is acting leader - and one in need of better acting lessons at that - not leader, so she cannot make up policy. So yes, he can stay in the acting shadow cabinet.
HH has gone beyond her remit with this.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:07 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:The acceptance of the Tory "welfare" cuts is a painful, and dramatic illustration of how you can only move politics in your direction by being in government.

Being in government & owning all the infrastructure wealth can buy.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:09 pm

"I'm uncertain why Dillow thinks a mandatory living wage is incompatible with increased worker bargaining power"

You could do both. Dillow's point is that the latter is sensible, the former really dumb. His paracetemol metaphor is right (as is the point about New Labour combining the best of left and right, whilst the current government with its new found love of price fixing combines the worst.)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:13 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Burnham says he opposes cuts to child tax credits.

Are you supposed to stay in the shadow cabinet if you oppose party policy?

This might go some way to answering that.

John Mann ‏@JohnMannMP 40m40 minutes ago
Harriet Harman had not bothered to consult Labour MPs over her policy, Can't see therefore why anyone will be bothered listening to her.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 6:14 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Here's a question - from another 'real' perspective. I've been wondering what might happen if a Labour leader is elected that doesn't represent the most active in the local parties - who I think Harman was suggesting today are often the most left wing. If there is a real disconnect between the expressed views of the new leader and shadow cabinet and the generally small number who do a lot of the work - the foot slogging and talking and keeping the branches going ... will that small number still be prepared to go out and 'sell' something they don't believe in? If they're not (and there have already been some people here vocalising their reluctance to continue campaigning if there isn't something worthwhile on offer in their opinion) will others come forward to take their place? We could lose people with the most experience and knowledge of campaigning and certain communities right at the point we most need them.
I fully take your point. But, to play devil's advocate, the Conservatives pulled off the unthinkable even given their dwindling membership and dwindling numbers of activists. Although I think the Labour Party (and a lot of its supporters) is a different bunch of bananas - and Harriet Harman would do well to bear that in mind.
The Tories had money PF - and they threw that money into the campaigns including paying people where they needed to. Plus they had the resources of Vote UK - aka Countryside Alliance - whose votes and support they bought via promises such as repeal of the Hunting Ban. Labour just doesn't have that resource.

I wholeheartedly agree.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 7:41 pm

Martine in full throttle twitter rant ...

Martin Rowson ‏@MartinRowson · 4 mins4 minutes ago
...storm for ages, just pussyfooting round with dimwits on CiF, & then I always get modded out of my comment thread. Fuck! What's pissy...

https://twitter.com/MartinRowson?lang=en-gb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (there's more...)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 7:42 pm

Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 9m9 minutes ago
How Lib Dem MPs could now fit in Mazda Bongo http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … Am told Clegg would like to resign but knows party would lose his seat.

I was thinking that today (as I sliced redundant leaves off my courgette plants) - that I bet Clegg wishes he could resign and get the hell out ... but of course he daren't do that and let down the party even more than he has already.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:07 pm

... In response to Harman’s remarks, Corbyn said: “If it is proposed that Labour MPs are being asked to vote for the government’s plans to cut benefits to families, I am not willing to vote for policies that will push more children into poverty. Families are suffering enough. We shouldn’t play the government’s political games when the welfare of children is at stake.”

The Burnham camp said: “Andy opposes cuts to child tax credits. These are paid to people who are doing the right thing and working hard to make ends meet. These tax credit changes are regressive, they are wrong, they hit families in work and Andy opposes them.”

Yvette Cooper’s team said: “Yvette has made clear from the start that she does not believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to hit working families, reduce work incentives and push more children into poverty. She has said that the Tory plans for cutting tax credits and abandoning the child poverty target do both and Labour should strongly oppose them.”

An aide to Harman said the interim leader was ready to take some heat over the issue, including possibly at a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday night but that she felt she had a responsibility to send some messages to the public...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm so angry about some of the stuff I've read in this article ... but mostly about how bloody unnecessary it was to have this spill out at all. My benefit of the doubt period for Harman has well and truly expired.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:37 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
... In response to Harman’s remarks, Corbyn said: “If it is proposed that Labour MPs are being asked to vote for the government’s plans to cut benefits to families, I am not willing to vote for policies that will push more children into poverty. Families are suffering enough. We shouldn’t play the government’s political games when the welfare of children is at stake.”

The Burnham camp said: “Andy opposes cuts to child tax credits. These are paid to people who are doing the right thing and working hard to make ends meet. These tax credit changes are regressive, they are wrong, they hit families in work and Andy opposes them.”

Yvette Cooper’s team said: “Yvette has made clear from the start that she does not believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to hit working families, reduce work incentives and push more children into poverty. She has said that the Tory plans for cutting tax credits and abandoning the child poverty target do both and Labour should strongly oppose them.”

An aide to Harman said the interim leader was ready to take some heat over the issue, including possibly at a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday night but that she felt she had a responsibility to send some messages to the public...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm so angry about some of the stuff I've read in this article ... but mostly about how bloody unnecessary it was to have this spill out at all. My benefit of the doubt period for Harman has well and truly expired.

I'm confused. Why does Harman feel it necessary to put out some messages that are at odds with the stated positions of 3 out of 4 of the leader candidates?
Harman also seems to have failed to grasp that she is supposed to be representing the views of the 9m people who voted for her party, not the 11m who didn't. They've got the Tory government to force through their spiteful cuts, they don't need Labour looking after their interests too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:38 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
... In response to Harman’s remarks, Corbyn said: “If it is proposed that Labour MPs are being asked to vote for the government’s plans to cut benefits to families, I am not willing to vote for policies that will push more children into poverty. Families are suffering enough. We shouldn’t play the government’s political games when the welfare of children is at stake.”

The Burnham camp said: “Andy opposes cuts to child tax credits. These are paid to people who are doing the right thing and working hard to make ends meet. These tax credit changes are regressive, they are wrong, they hit families in work and Andy opposes them.”

Yvette Cooper’s team said: “Yvette has made clear from the start that she does not believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to hit working families, reduce work incentives and push more children into poverty. She has said that the Tory plans for cutting tax credits and abandoning the child poverty target do both and Labour should strongly oppose them.”

An aide to Harman said the interim leader was ready to take some heat over the issue, including possibly at a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday night but that she felt she had a responsibility to send some messages to the public...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm so angry about some of the stuff I've read in this article ... but mostly about how bloody unnecessary it was to have this spill out at all. My benefit of the doubt period for Harman has well and truly expired.

I'm sorry for dissension among Labour MPs over this Tory bill.
The Tory legislation is reprehensible, I don't support it - naturally, I wish representatives would think the same & vote against it.
I recall months prior to the Tory Emergency Summer Budget, Harman indicated she supported a cap on social security provision. Perhaps she feels bound to show consistency over her this because of prior statements. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say more regarding Harman's position. I disagree with her.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:46 pm

Willow904 wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
... In response to Harman’s remarks, Corbyn said: “If it is proposed that Labour MPs are being asked to vote for the government’s plans to cut benefits to families, I am not willing to vote for policies that will push more children into poverty. Families are suffering enough. We shouldn’t play the government’s political games when the welfare of children is at stake.”

The Burnham camp said: “Andy opposes cuts to child tax credits. These are paid to people who are doing the right thing and working hard to make ends meet. These tax credit changes are regressive, they are wrong, they hit families in work and Andy opposes them.”

Yvette Cooper’s team said: “Yvette has made clear from the start that she does not believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to hit working families, reduce work incentives and push more children into poverty. She has said that the Tory plans for cutting tax credits and abandoning the child poverty target do both and Labour should strongly oppose them.”

An aide to Harman said the interim leader was ready to take some heat over the issue, including possibly at a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday night but that she felt she had a responsibility to send some messages to the public...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm so angry about some of the stuff I've read in this article ... but mostly about how bloody unnecessary it was to have this spill out at all. My benefit of the doubt period for Harman has well and truly expired.
I'm confused. Why does Harman feel it necessary to put out some messages that are at odds with the stated positions of 3 out of 4 of the leader candidates?
Harman also seems to have failed to grasp that she is supposed to be representing the views of the 9m people who voted for her party, not the 11m who didn't. They've got the Tory government to force through their spiteful cuts, they don't need Labour looking after their interests too.

Agree, again, it's disappointing reading disunity between the acting Labour leader & other Labour MPs on this Tory bill.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:05 pm

In what was clearly designed as a watershed interview on the BBC’s Sunday Politics show, Harman seemed intent on shaking the party out of what she fears is a reversion to its comfort zone after election defeat. “We cannot simply say to the public you were wrong at the election,” she said. “We’ve got to wake up and recognise that this was not a blip; we’ve had a serious defeat and we must listen to why.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(my bold)

That's horseshit, Harman, if you or another representative made a commitment prior to election regarding where you stood & asked to be returned to government to follow through, then sure, you're obliged to follow through on those convictions, values, promises. But Labour didn't agree to this Tory budget, no. Harman, you & every other member of this society shouldn't have a problem telling over eleven million people voting for Tories you've made a mistake, & here's why - Tory policy is bad policy, it's not responsible, it's cruel, dogmatic & Tory policy has put the UK economy & society in great peril. I'm Labour & these are Labour values - read the manifestos & manuals for clarification. It's a sign of great integrity to disagree with people proposing unfair policy offending your soul. You're allowed to tell the electorate the truth, Harman. Representing all the people sometimes involves your respectfully letting them know they're wrong if they're asking for something harmful.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:16 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Burnham says he opposes cuts to child tax credits.

Are you supposed to stay in the shadow cabinet if you oppose party policy?
Harmon is acting leader - and one in need of better acting lessons at that - not leader, so she cannot make up policy. So yes, he can stay in the acting shadow cabinet.
HH has gone beyond her remit with this.

We're going to have the opportunity to select a Labour party leader with values, policies we support.
I'll have to read Harman's entire interview to make sure I've not read something out of context. However, if she thinks representing people in a democracy means changing core values & supporting bad legislation if the people demand it, someone close to her needs a private word - that's just crazy - that's not what elected public service representatives do - we don't support policy contrary to Labour party values.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:19 pm

A shifty, socially engineered budget – and too clever by half
The chancellor is being widely praised for a budget that is far from compassionate, nor truly, traditionally, Conservative

- William Keegan
12 July 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... er-by-half" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I love Keegan's work.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:29 pm

Greece’s prime minister is under intense pressure tonight to accept even tougher economic reforms and austerity measures, or see his country pushed out of the eurozone. Alexis Tsipas , the other 18 eurozone leaders, and the heads of the IMF, ECB and EU are locked in talks at the emergency summit to discuss Greece’s request for a third bailout.

The proposal on the table would force Greece to vote through sweeping changes by Wednesday night. Or, it would be offered a ‘temporary Grexit’; an opportunity to restructure its debts.
[In case no agreement could be reached, Greece should be offered swift negotiations on a time-out from the euro area, with possible debt restructuring].

The plan also suggests Greece surrenders €50bn of valuable assets to a euro-body, who would sell them off to pay down debt. Unless Athens cracks on with privatisations in a way it has never managed before.

We hear that Tsipras was put under the cosh in a meeting with Angela Merkel, Donald Tusk and Francois Hollande a couple of hours

The draft proposal, which comes from this morning’s eurozone finance ministers, forces Greece to take these seven steps straight away:
Streamlining VAT
Broadening the tax base
Sustainability of pension system
Adopt a code of civil procedure
Safeguarding of legal independence for Greece ELSTAT — the statistic office
Full implementation of automatic spending cuts
Meet bank recovery and resolution directive

And also get the ball moving on another five points:
Privatize electricity transmission grid
Take decisive action on non-performing loans
Ensure independence of privatization body TAIPED
De-Politicize the Greek administration
Return of officials from its creditors to Athens
Professor Karl Whelan argues that Germany is trying to force Greece out.

Other analysts, economists and commentators are also staggered by the scale of these demands -- given Greece effectively agreed to its creditors former demands last week.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... c6a121fc53" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(my bold)
Outlandish.
These proposals are totally unwarranted, frightening & an infringement on a democratically elected government.
This is debt we're talking about, not important matters like peoples' lives, needs & social order are protected & maintained.
Creditors must stand down immediately.
Outrageous.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:29 pm

John McDonnell ‏@johnmcdonnellMP · 8h8 hours ago
I'm making it absolutely clear.I'm not voting for Tories welfare benefit cuts.We've too many families & children living in poverty already.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:30 pm

James Bloodworth ‏@J_Bloodworth · 2m2 minutes ago
Now that's more like it >> Cooper: Labour should oppose cutting tax credits and abandoning child poverty target http://www.yvetteforlabour.co.uk/alternativeapproach" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:43 pm

Schäuble, who went into the meeting declaring that there could not be a haircut on Greek debt because it was illegal under EU treaties, conceded in the paper for the first time that a writeoff of Greek debt was possible after all – but only if Greece was no longer in the euro.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ce-eu-euro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.sven-giegold.de/wp-content/u ... i_2015.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Outrageous - it's like war, this is frightful.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:43 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:James Bloodworth ‏@J_Bloodworth · 2m2 minutes ago
Now that's more like it >> Cooper: Labour should oppose cutting tax credits and abandoning child poverty target http://www.yvetteforlabour.co.uk/alternativeapproach" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

The only good thing that might come from Harman's awful and unnecessary pro cuts stance is that it seems to have woken up the party and some people are actually behaving as if they've got blood in their veins rather than diluted embalming fluid.

However - it just plays right into the Tory lite rhetoric - because that's exactly what it is - and I want no part of that. It will reinforce the views of many who've already given up on Labour providing robust opposition. And - I'm hoping like many others - I want Harman and co to represent the people who did vote for them - rather than decide off their own bats that they need to adopt the views of those that didn't ... stop dancing to the Tory agenda and pose some ideas, proposals and, above all, decent arguments of their own.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:45 pm

Other eurozone countries urged Germany to drop its objections. “Grexit has to be prevented,” said Jean Asselborn, the Luxembourg foreign minister. “It would be fateful for Germany’s reputation in the EU and the world.

“Germany’s responsibility is great. It’s about not conjuring up the ghosts of the past,” he told German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung. “If Germany goes for Grexit, it will trigger a deep conflict with France. That would be a catastrophe for Europe.”

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ls-tsipras" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:52 pm

Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 43m43 minutes ago
"Those of us who derided Miliband for so many years really ought to accept that he has, on this totemic issue, won". http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

And this just makes me even angrier with Harman - is she not noticing just how much Miliband set the agenda - was ahead of the curve - and has influenced bloody Tory policy???? But there she is bowing and scraping to out and out opportunists and rip off merchants Osborne and Cameron.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 9:58 pm

For qualified Doctors but instead of 3-4 years of training in General Practice, they have…ermmm…5 weeks....

"This is an exciting opportunity for fully registered medical practitioners, having completed at least Foundation Year 2, the opportunity to train for the future Primary Care workforce."

http://jobs.gponline.com/job/324215/pri ... physician/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:04 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:For qualified Doctors but instead of 3-4 years of training in General Practice, they have…ermmm…5 weeks....

"This is an exciting opportunity for fully registered medical practitioners, having completed at least Foundation Year 2, the opportunity to train for the future Primary Care workforce."

http://jobs.gponline.com/job/324215/pri ... physician/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What next - fast track surgeon qualifications for butchers?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:04 pm

Rupert Myers ‏@RupertMyers · 2m2 minutes ago
IMF demands elections in Greece. Varoufakis already gone, now Alexis Tsipras faces the price of that referendum #Greece

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:14 pm

Seems Greece has been sh1t on
Jerome Roos ‏@JeromeRoos · 14m14 minutes ago
Krugman: "The European project has just been dealt a possibly fatal blow. And whatever you think of #Greece, it wasnt the Greeks who did it"

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:19 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Rupert Myers ‏@RupertMyers · 2m2 minutes ago
IMF demands elections in Greece. Varoufakis already gone, now Alexis Tsipras faces the price of that referendum #Greece

IMF demands .... 'demands'? This just gets worse and worse ... in other words we won't deal with this government, we want to order another kind of government ... sheesh, again again.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:23 pm

HH seems to have woken Labour up...

Jo Stevens ‏@JoStevensLabour · 21m21 minutes ago
Tory child #taxcredits & benefit cap cuts for most vulnerable are not my values nor Labour values. We must vote against #everychildmatters

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:27 pm

Trevor Warner ‏@trevorw1953 · 1m1 minute ago
Russia mulls direct energy supplies to Greece in near future - energy minister : RT Business - http://ln.is/rt.com/business/2732/neU5o" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:30 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 2m2 minutes ago
On whether SNP will kill foxhunting relaxation @KirstySNP tells WestminsterHour: "We will examine the detail on this." Door v firmly ajar

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:11 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
... In response to Harman’s remarks, Corbyn said: “If it is proposed that Labour MPs are being asked to vote for the government’s plans to cut benefits to families, I am not willing to vote for policies that will push more children into poverty. Families are suffering enough. We shouldn’t play the government’s political games when the welfare of children is at stake.”

The Burnham camp said: “Andy opposes cuts to child tax credits. These are paid to people who are doing the right thing and working hard to make ends meet. These tax credit changes are regressive, they are wrong, they hit families in work and Andy opposes them.”

Yvette Cooper’s team said: “Yvette has made clear from the start that she does not believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to hit working families, reduce work incentives and push more children into poverty. She has said that the Tory plans for cutting tax credits and abandoning the child poverty target do both and Labour should strongly oppose them.”

An aide to Harman said the interim leader was ready to take some heat over the issue, including possibly at a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday night but that she felt she had a responsibility to send some messages to the public...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm so angry about some of the stuff I've read in this article ... but mostly about how bloody unnecessary it was to have this spill out at all. My benefit of the doubt period for Harman has well and truly expired.

How the party reacts in the early days of opposition can be very formative to how people the party is viewed as it discovered in 2010.

Who was in charge in the 'early days of opposition' in 2010? My memory is untrustworthy on dates and stuff but didn't Gordon Brown resign, leaving Ms. Harman in charge of those 'early days'? And she doesn't accept that 'different people didn't vote Labour for different reasons' but were 'saying the same thing with different accents' – which, from my experience of why people I've spoken to chose not to vote Labour, suggests that she has difficulty in understanding accents.

You don't fight accusations of being Red Tories/Tory-Lite by failing to oppose Tories. You don't fight accusations that Labour's 'weak leadership' would roll over and get bossed around by the SNP by rolling over and getting bossed around by the Tories, instead. And you don't fight accusations of 'not being the workers' Party' anymore by failing to stand up for working people whose chances of making ends meet are being damaged (to put it mildly) by a Tory Government not just putting carts before horses but parking the carts across the road so the horses can't even try pushing the bloody things – and who want the EU to accede to their request to rip up the working times directives etc., aka permission to bomb the horses

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:12 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Rupert Myers ‏@RupertMyers · 2m2 minutes ago
IMF demands elections in Greece. Varoufakis already gone, now Alexis Tsipras faces the price of that referendum #Greece

Pardon?
IMF demands elections in Greece?

Goodnight, everyone
blessings to Greece & Greek people & everyone else too
love
cJA

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:25 pm

Ex-Lib Dem MP calls on party to back changes to fox hunting ban
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Ex- ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No surprise it's a former Lib Dem MP for a Welsh constituency - Roger Williams, the former Brecon and Radnor MP
Wales - or rather certain rural farming / hunting groups in Wales -seems to be very much at the forefront of this bring back full hound pack hunting and this particular amendment / relaxation.

... Amongst the eight remaining Liberal Democrat MPs Mark Williams, from Ceredigion, is understood to support the amendments. Leadership favourite Tim Farron whose constituency of Westmorland and Lonsdale has a large sheep farming element, said in May that he "would like to see the Hunting Act replaced with a more comprehensive animal welfare bill which also protects the right of farmers to protect their livestock", but has not confirmed his support.

His opponent Norman Lamb says he would vote against the changes as, it is believed, would the other five Liberal Democrat MPs...

... One Conservative MP told the Alliance "the party sees this as an opportunity to bury the Liberal Democrats as a force in rural constituencies. From Cornwall to Cumbria Conservative MPs will be supporting hunts and the farming community. If the Liberal Democrats vote against these changes we won't be letting anyone forget it".

Incredible to see how regressive and blind to public opinion they are. Given I've seen many Tory commentators saying how stupid and toxic this issue is for the Tories ... the Lib Dems ought to think very very hard before supporting yet another vile Tory policy. Time to actually show they are different. (No hope for Mark Williams though ... he will be pro hunt all the way.)

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:33 pm

Latest Rowson - the one he was tweeting about, earlier:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ll-cartoon

'Tis ver' ver' good...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:43 pm

Unbelievable!!!
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LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:55 pm

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