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SpinningHugo wrote:Moaning from my wing of the party reaching feverish levels.

The best, as usual, is Hopi Sen

http://hopisen.com/2015/one-step-beyond/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More irritable versions of the same thing

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/john-mcter ... is-a-tory/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/07/13/th ... or-labour/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/07/14/la ... ing-glass/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Genuine question for people here. Imagine, for a moment, thinking like me. You are on the right of the Labour party, but can see that the preferred strategy you'd like to pursue which you think will be successful is getting further and further away. The party is quite clearly moving away from you, and has been for at least five years.

What can you do? Other than moan on messgeboards.

Tories launch biggest crackdown on trade unions for 30 years

Business secretary Sajid Javid to criminalise unlawful picketing, and make it harder for workers to strike legally and for Labour to get union funding
PCS union members march in central London (Guardian)

Jason Beattie ‏@JBeattieMirror 23m23 minutes ago
When I was on the Birmingham Post I had the job of supplying the "weather word" to sum up the next day's forecast. Today I'd go for "dank"

mikems wrote:In my opinion, we are nearly back to the political setup of the19C, with Tories and Whigs. The working class has little or no representation and has to depend on the goodwill of the Whigs (New Labour) for any slight improvement in their lives, but the Whigs are little different to the tories, living in similar mansions, attending the same social functions, intermarrying for money and career, etc.

The Trade Unions are out in the cold, about to be returned to a state of illegality (with the Whigs silent) and desperate for a political party to represent their members...perhaps forced to the point of creating a new party, if it is still legal for us to do that...

Blairism is Whiggism - a pretence that capitalism can be made to work for all, when it really only works for capitalists.

Up to £20bn of benefits are UNCLAIMED every year - so why are the Tories declaring war on so called benefits cheats
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jack of Kent ‏@JackofKent 47m47 minutes ago
So this morning:

9.00 result of @TheCriminalBar ballot which may bring crown courts to a halt.

9.15 Gove appears before @CommonsJustice

Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt 10m10 minutes ago
Barristers vote for no new work and no-returns by 982 votes to 795 votes, equating to 55% in favour and 45% against.

SpinningHugo wrote:Moaning from my wing of the party reaching feverish levels.

The best, as usual, is Hopi Sen

http://hopisen.com/2015/one-step-beyond/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More irritable versions of the same thing

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/john-mcter ... is-a-tory/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/07/13/th ... or-labour/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/07/14/la ... ing-glass/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Genuine question for people here. Imagine, for a moment, thinking like me. You are on the right of the Labour party, but can see that the preferred strategy you'd like to pursue which you think will be successful is getting further and further away. The party is quite clearly moving away from you, and has been for at least five years.

What can you do? Other than moan on messgeboards.

mikems wrote:Isn't that an illegal strike ballot?

Unemployment rises for first time in 2 years

Here are the headline unemployment figures.

Unemployment rose by 15,000 between March and May to 1.85m, the first rise in more than two years. That is 5.6%.

The claimant count last month rose by 7,000 to 804,200.

Average earnings increased by 3.2% in the year to May, 0.5% up on the previous month. (Politics Blog, Guardian)

rebeccariots2 wrote:

mikems wrote:In my opinion, we are nearly back to the political setup of the19C, with Tories and Whigs. The working class has little or no representation and has to depend on the goodwill of the Whigs (New Labour) for any slight improvement in their lives, but the Whigs are little different to the tories, living in similar mansions, attending the same social functions, intermarrying for money and career, etc.

The Trade Unions are out in the cold, about to be returned to a state of illegality (with the Whigs silent) and desperate for a political party to represent their members...perhaps forced to the point of creating a new party, if it is still legal for us to do that...

Blairism is Whiggism - a pretence that capitalism can be made to work for all, when it really only works for capitalists.

We've got a lot of good Whigs ... just not nearly enough of them in the 'top team' and certainly not enough who are actually prepared to speak out loudly and challenge the status quo.

Interesting that Kendall as well as Cooper has already spoken out against the Trade Union restricting bill ... haven't seen views from Burnham and Corbyn so far but expect they will be against too.

Having considered all the evidence, I am of the opinion that at this time the school is making reasonable progress towards the removal of special measures.

This inspection took place under section 5 of the Education Act at the request of the Department for Education, in line with the Secretary of State’s powers. The request was related to the planned re-brokering of Golden Hillock Academy to the Ark Foundation on 1 September 2015.

In April 2014, Golden Hillock Academy was judged to require special measures. Since then, it has received regular monitoring inspections by Her Majesty’s Inspectors (HMI). The academy has been making reasonable progress towards the removal of special measures.

SpinningHugo wrote:"now you've defeated Miliband"

No part of the Labour party defeated Miliband.

Theresa May, the home secretary, is making a statement in the Commons later on water cannon. London has bought some second-hand water cannon from the Germans, but the Metropolitan police cannot use them unless May gives them permission, and for months she has been delaying a decision on this.

The statement will be at about 1.30pm, because there is a statement on Iran first. I will be covering the water cannon statement in detail. (Politics Blog, Guardian - my emphasis)

AngryAsWell wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:"now you've defeated Miliband"

No part of the Labour party defeated Miliband.

Not even the parts of the shadow cabinet who continuously briefed against him? Not even Labour MP's seeking self publicity by writing for the right wing press heavily critical of Ed?
Not even the so-called "left" Hodges and his ilk of press cohorts ?
Not even those who attempted a last minuet coup to put AJ in as leader?
Sorry facts don't stand up.
Without the snipping from within and without sections of the Labour party over the 5 years of his leadership he would have been in a much stronger position to fight the tory's.

SpinningHugo wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:"now you've defeated Miliband"

No part of the Labour party defeated Miliband.

Not even the parts of the shadow cabinet who continuously briefed against him? Not even Labour MP's seeking self publicity by writing for the right wing press heavily critical of Ed?
Not even the so-called "left" Hodges and his ilk of press cohorts ?
Not even those who attempted a last minuet coup to put AJ in as leader?
Sorry facts don't stand up.
Without the snipping from within and without sections of the Labour party over the 5 years of his leadership he would have been in a much stronger position to fight the tory's.

No, none of them. Considering how badly we were doing, the loyalty (save Hodges who had a personal animus) was astonishing. The Tories are never as loyal. The Tories, of course, having a far, far better electoral record than Labour does post War.

AngryAsWell wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:"now you've defeated Miliband"

No part of the Labour party defeated Miliband.

Not even the parts of the shadow cabinet who continuously briefed against him? Not even Labour MP's seeking self publicity by writing for the right wing press heavily critical of Ed?
Not even the so-called "left" Hodges and his ilk of press cohorts ?
Not even those who attempted a last minuet coup to put AJ in as leader?
Sorry facts don't stand up.
Without the snipping from within and without sections of the Labour party over the 5 years of his leadership he would have been in a much stronger position to fight the tory's.

AngryAsWell wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote: Not even the parts of the shadow cabinet who continuously briefed against him? Not even Labour MP's seeking self publicity by writing for the right wing press heavily critical of Ed?
Not even the so-called "left" Hodges and his ilk of press cohorts ?
Not even those who attempted a last minuet coup to put AJ in as leader?
Sorry facts don't stand up.
Without the snipping from within and without sections of the Labour party over the 5 years of his leadership he would have been in a much stronger position to fight the tory's.

No, none of them. Considering how badly we were doing, the loyalty (save Hodges who had a personal animus) was astonishing. The Tories are never as loyal. The Tories, of course, having a far, far better electoral record than Labour does post War.

I disagree. Those briefing against him gave the right wing press free ammunition to fire at will.
And they did. Frequently.

rebeccariots2 wrote:

Up to £20bn of benefits are UNCLAIMED every year - so why are the Tories declaring war on so called benefits cheats
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote: No, none of them. Considering how badly we were doing, the loyalty (save Hodges who had a personal animus) was astonishing. The Tories are never as loyal. The Tories, of course, having a far, far better electoral record than Labour does post War.

I disagree. Those briefing against him gave the right wing press free ammunition to fire at will.
And they did. Frequently.

Meh. No worse than Blair or Cameron got from their own side, and they looked lik winning.

Tories get rid of leaders who look like losing (Thatcher, IDS). We don't. We stick loyally to them as they drive us over a cliff.

Lonewolfie wrote: I have a real issue with moaning and whining about how terrible/awful/disastrous Labour are....whilst the fabric of our society and the legacy of the post-war settlement continues to be destroyed, the rights of animals and humans are consigned to the dustbin of history - I could go on (and on and on and on) - the REAL enemy, the one that is sitting back, enjoying watching people suffer pain, mental torture, hunger and much more, laughing into its expense account and future highly lucrative employment with HSBC or GoldmanSachs (or G4S, Serco, Capita, Murkydochia etc) is very happy that you are more concerned by what 'Labour' did than what they are actually doing...so I have 2 answers to your question...either...

...get out and about, meet some real people who have been affected by the changes to PIP, the 'Bedroom Tax', the 'Welfare Reforms', Gidiots mythical 'economic recovery', the 'Benefits cap' (and on and on and on, again), learn what is actually happening (not what the MSM/Westmonster elite thinks it should tell you is happening), start to fight back and agitate for real change...

...or...

...join the Liberal Democrats.

(I'm hopeful that this post will qualify as 'civilised and reasoned dialogue'(TM-PF))..and moraftingeve all...

El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote: I disagree. Those briefing against him gave the right wing press free ammunition to fire at will.
And they did. Frequently.

Meh. No worse than Blair or Cameron got from their own side, and they looked lik winning.

Tories get rid of leaders who look like losing (Thatcher, IDS). We don't. We stick loyally to them as they drive us over a cliff.

There are lots of Tories who think getting rid of Thatcher was one of the worst things they ever did.

Looking at what happened to the party subsequently, they might have a point. Taking a "hit" in 1992 might have been the best long term strategy for them.

He said that the very steep fall in the number of people taking cases to employment tribunal since fees were introduced by the coalition did not prove that people were being denied access to justice. Last year figures showed a 70% drop in cases. Gove said the impact of fees was being reviewed, but that he would only consider getting rid of fees if there was evidence of injustice, and that so far that evidence did not exist.
"My view would be that it is only if one can point to examples of rough justice one should seek to reconsider. A simple reduction in the number of people going to employment tribunals is not in itself proof that there has been any injustice visited on anyone ...

I’d have to see whether or not there was an example of people, or an individual, who had been dismissed, who hadn’t had appropriate access to justice as a result, and that hard case, or those hard cases, would led me to think again. But at the moment what I think is likely to have been the case is that the bar has been set at a higher level, absolutely, but there is no evidence yet that the bar being set at a higher level has meant that meritorious claims by people who feel that they are being discriminated against aren’t being heard."

Cameron says it was right to raise the pension age. That enabled the government to introduce the tripe[sic] lock.

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 17m17 minutes ago
Boris on w cannon: "I fail to see the physiological difference between the people of England and Wales and the people of Northern Ireland"

Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 19m19 minutes ago
The Johnson mayoral legacy in full: the cable car. The Heatherwick bus. And some water cannons we can't use.

refitman wrote:Anyone think Boris kept the receipt for the water canon?

She's, in many ways, less awful than most of the others.

mikems wrote:

She's, in many ways, less awful than most of the others.

I fear she is more interested in hurting her political enemies than protecting our rights.

Jeremy Corbyn "on course to come top" in the Labour leadership election
Private polling, seen by the New Statesman, shows the veteran leftwinger ahead in the first round of voting.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... p-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It appears as if the Islington North MP's strength is largely coming from new and younger members. One CLP chair believes that "more than two thirds" of new recruits since the election are supporters of Corbyn, a finding mirrored by the leadership campaigns' experience of phoning new members. It also appears as if many members from the party's right have abandoned the party during the years of Ed Miliband, being replaced by what one staffer describes as "true believers".

There is now a conversation about what can be done to prevent a Corbyn victory. Some senior Labour MPs believe that respected grandees from the Miliband era and the party's "soft left" must come out against a Corbyn victory to prevent the worst happening. But given the hostile response to Harriet Harman's coded warning to "think not who you like and who makes you feel comfortable - think who actually will be able to reach out to the public and actually listen to the public and give them confidence", interpreted as an "anyone but Corbyn" call, that may prove ineffective.