Saturday, July 18th - Sunday, July 19th 2015

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 9:28 am

Good morfternoon.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 9:44 am

I see Liz is in a bit of trouble in the media this morning. The fundamental truth of the royal family is they would love a modern day Nazi party. Ardent royalists who keep the plebs under control, perfect.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 10:17 am

Good morning to all

Firstly, would like to send best wishes to those who have had health and other issues within the family and many hopes for positive outcomes

Also, well done to Temulkar for his novel - looks really interesting and I am looking forward to reading it

Just to comment on the Brenda story in the Sun - the fact that a child was acting at the behest of her elders is not a big story in itself except when we talk about hereditary institutions

It has been pretty clear to me for a while that there have been extreme right-wing views in the Royal Family that have been hidden away from us - we only see what we are allowed to see - and actually we are more deferent to them than we were in the earlier parts of the last century where the Royal Family was pretty much held in contempt by a good number of people. My own grandparents included - working class socialists from Liverpool! I am sure this is just the tip of the iceberg

It is the same problem we have seen in recent years - the Establishment covering up, hiding and apologising for each other - made worse by the current bunch of incompetents in Government

Whilst on that subject - the hatred I feel for this Government and Cameron/Osborne in particular grows ever stronger each day.......and the deep despair of the ignorance and lack of moral compass of a good number of the British people as well

It seems we are truly only out for ourselves and I feel nauseous when I saw mawkishness and crocodile tears whenever there is some sort of charity event etc.

If you care about these type of people - why vote fucking Conservative or sit on your hands you numpties!!!!

Edited to remove and excessive use of the word 'allowed'

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 10:45 am

Good-morning, everyone.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:07 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:I see Liz is in a bit of trouble in the media this morning. The fundamental truth of the royal family is they would love a modern day Nazi party. Ardent royalists who keep the plebs under control, perfect.

Thought you meant Kendall of that ilk for a minute - I've got the Labour leadership on the brain

As for our beloved first family, I thought Edward VIII being pretty much openly pro-Nazi was common knowledge?

(they had him ready as a Quisling type figure had we ever been successfully invaded)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:14 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:I see Liz is in a bit of trouble in the media this morning. The fundamental truth of the royal family is they would love a modern day Nazi party. Ardent royalists who keep the plebs under control, perfect.
Thought you meant Kendall of that ilk for a minute - I've got the Labour leadership on the brain

As for our beloved first family, I thought Edward VIII being pretty much openly pro-Nazi was common knowledge?

(they had him ready as a Quisling type figure had we ever been successfully invaded)

It wouldn't surprise me if the 'abdication' was about more than just Wallis Simpson than we're told.

Edit - Good morning...

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:18 am

I can't help wonder what the motive behind the Sun's story is, it being Murdoch's views in print or so it's said. Perhaps we don't know of Prince Philip being rude about him so he swipes bacvk at the family. If he were a federal anti-royalist surely he'd attack younger family members, maybe he refuses to acknowledge Liz and his own mortality. Anyway it's hardly news about Edward VIII, so what if a child did a Nazi salute?

I remember doing the like in post-war childhood games, even executing captives or scalping cowboy opponents for that matter. Despite the nine o' clock watershed I wouldn't rule out kiddies play acting ISIS or Saudi Arabian style executions today. Should they ever get caught doing so at school let's hope they're not Moslem. Who knows what Tory ministers may think?

Post by **refitman** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:20 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:I see Liz is in a bit of trouble in the media this morning. The fundamental truth of the royal family is they would love a modern day Nazi party. Ardent royalists who keep the plebs under control, perfect.
Thought you meant Kendall of that ilk for a minute - I've got the Labour leadership on the brain

As for our beloved first family, I thought Edward VIII being pretty much openly pro-Nazi was common knowledge?

(they had him ready as a Quisling type figure had we ever been successfully invaded)
It wouldn't surprise me if the 'abdication' was about more than just Wallis Simpson than we're told.

Edit - Good morning...

I'm somewhat confused as to the fuss. She was 7 at the time. Also, weren't the Nazi viewed as generally "not a bad thing" around that time? (fully prepared to be corrected on this)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:30 am

Yes, around that time a lot of people here just saw Hitler as a "strong leader" who was restoring Germany's hurt national pride.

(tied in with this was the widespread feeling they had been badly treated by the Versailles Treaty because of the, albeit understandable, French lust for vengeance)

And these feelings weren't just confined to the political right (eg Lloyd George)

As for K R Murdoch, the fact he hates the royals is arguably his one redeeming feature.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:33 am

refitman wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Thought you meant Kendall of that ilk for a minute - I've got the Labour leadership on the brain

As for our beloved first family, I thought Edward VIII being pretty much openly pro-Nazi was common knowledge?

(they had him ready as a Quisling type figure had we ever been successfully invaded)
It wouldn't surprise me if the 'abdication' was about more than just Wallis Simpson than we're told.

Edit - Good morning...
I'm somewhat confused as to the fuss. She was 7 at the time. Also, weren't the Nazi viewed as generally "not a bad thing" around that time? (fully prepared to be corrected on this)

As you, and others, have said - the child was 7 at the time. I shudder to think of things that I said\wrote\did at the behest of my mother when I was that age and even a little older.

The wider implications for the adored, adult Royals (now and then) are more relevant.

Edited to insert the word "adult".

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:34 am

Aftmoreve all...

Not sure if anyone's linked to this site before - found it through Twitter yesterday - so apologies if it's been seen and is known...it's quite a long piece (as they all seem to be) but by f***ety b******s, they make a lot of sense....and it does clarify the current 'extreme' nature of our 'establishment' (politics/media)...

Is British Disability Welfare Reform, Simply a Display of 'Hate'?

'Hate crime' may therefore not always need to be physical, face to face or committed towards specific individuals in order for us to regard it as 'hate crime', particularly if psychological violence is involved. If whole sections of Britain's disabled are also being wildly categorised as potentially lazy, shiftless and immoral, and chiefly in order to manipulate public opinion. Our politicians, government and popular media may be employing a form of psychological violence that is actually on a par with 'hate crime' as we more commonly define it. Psychological violence that has certainly been argued to have induced anxiety and depression in some of our disabled, driving many to commit suicide.

http://www.disabled-world.com/disabilit ... isplay.php

...and more evidence, if any were needed, the Uncle Rupert and his Murkydochian Monsters are still very much 'above the law'...

RUPERT MURDOCH'S New York headquarters was warned Mazher "Fake Sheik" Mahmood had a track record for lying on oath nearly two years before he was caught red handed.

https://www.byline.com/project/11/article/183

...where the 'Management and Standards Committee' destroyed 14m e-mails, told the Met they'd investigate themselves and threw some Sun journos under the bus to protect US commercial interests...and...

Exclusive: Hacking Records Concealed From Coulson Judge, Phone Records Suggest

https://www.byline.com/project/8/article/185

...where the judge threw out the case because although Coulson lied in court (known as perjury, for which he had been charged) it couldn't be proven that it was that 'particular' lie...and this, which looks as though it might be a good read, when finished....

Above the Law: How News International Got away.

https://www.byline.com/project/14

Phone hacking was in many ways just the tip of the iceberg. News International titles were at the centre of a web of institutional corruption that involved the systemic bribery of public officials to get information, by any means necessary. This goal was not just to sell newspapers, it was also aimed to influence, cajole and even blackmail powerful players in government to advance a political agenda.

In other news, Exaro are reporting this....

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5612/ ... eth-clarke

...I'm sure I remember something about this....oh yes, that's it (conspiracy theory, I know, but just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!)....

http://www.dailyalternative.co.uk/david ... e-silence/

...in conjunction with this....

https://amp.twimg.com/v/81013a10-7d2c-4 ... 5ddcb990fb

...08.30 Sunday, documentary uncovering Westmonster (frankly, I'm surprised it's being allowed to be aired - given who controls Australian media)...

We have been told by @60Mins that it WILL be pos to see its special on ‘Westminster paedophile network’ online. Will keep you posted on how

...and lastly, on QE2 and the Nazi salute - what the actual f***? In 1933, some saw Hitler and the Nazis for what they were - but he had just been 'democratically' elected and would very likely cross paths with the British Elite...who would need, for reasons of international diplomacy, to at least be aware how to keep another Head of State happy - why wouldn't Uncle Rupert investigate the Nazi connections from Nancy Astor to the pulling of the Cook Report mentioned above? (Clouncys' mater-in-law is Astors' daughter and Michael Green is quoted as saying 'if she tells me to do something, I do it'....like employing a certain vapid useless p***-trumpet as 'Corporate Comms Director' (who is also related to QE2 (and Boris de pfeiffeffeffell tiny-Johnson)) who subsequently manages to lose/unfind possible incriminating evidence. (For clarity, over the last 5-10 years I've hardened my stance as a Republican - at one time, the thought of Tory Blur as a presidential Head of State made me shiver(TM-LaGarde), so i was prepared to support the Monarchy...not now though - the whole bucket of sh1t has to go)

Poodle tip

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:54 am

Just been checking out the electoral commission report into the 2015 election.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/f ... eferendums" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was interested in comparing postal votes to 2010.

7.6m postal votes were issues compared to 7m in 2010. Returned votes puts postal votes turnout for 2015 at 86%, a rise from 83% in 2010.

If postal votes are insecure, clearly a rise in their use makes the potential for fraud greater. Nevertheless, it doesn't really explain why people said they would vote Labour and then seemingly didn't. If fraud did take place, I'm not sure it could explain Labour's underwhelming performance in local elections across the past 5 years. I think we just have to accept that Labour supporters don't vote and try to tackle that.

The following article by Ipsos-Mori underlines how Labour was successful with its target voters but its target voters don't turn out in the same numbers as the wealthy and elderly who benefit from divisive Tory policies.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubl ... ?view=wide" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm wondering if ditching the care cap may have been a significant strategic mistake from the Tories. Labour have an opportunity, by embracing it, to regain some ground with the over-65s.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 11:55 am

Lonewolfie wrote:Aftmoreve all...

Not sure if anyone's linked to this site before - found it through Twitter yesterday - so apologies if it's been seen and is known...it's quite a long piece (as they all seem to be) but by f***ety b******s, they make a lot of sense....and it does clarify the current 'extreme' nature of our 'establishment' (politics/media)...

Is British Disability Welfare Reform, Simply a Display of 'Hate'?

'Hate crime' may therefore not always need to be physical, face to face or committed towards specific individuals in order for us to regard it as 'hate crime', particularly if psychological violence is involved. If whole sections of Britain's disabled are also being wildly categorised as potentially lazy, shiftless and immoral, and chiefly in order to manipulate public opinion. Our politicians, government and popular media may be employing a form of psychological violence that is actually on a par with 'hate crime' as we more commonly define it. Psychological violence that has certainly been argued to have induced anxiety and depression in some of our disabled, driving many to commit suicide.

http://www.disabled-world.com/disabilit ... isplay.php

...and more evidence, if any were needed, the Uncle Rupert and his Murkydochian Monsters are still very much 'above the law'...

RUPERT MURDOCH'S New York headquarters was warned Mazher "Fake Sheik" Mahmood had a track record for lying on oath nearly two years before he was caught red handed.

https://www.byline.com/project/11/article/183

...where the 'Management and Standards Committee' destroyed 14m e-mails, told the Met they'd investigate themselves and threw some Sun journos under the bus to protect US commercial interests...and...

Exclusive: Hacking Records Concealed From Coulson Judge, Phone Records Suggest

https://www.byline.com/project/8/article/185

...where the judge threw out the case because although Coulson lied in court (known as perjury, for which he had been charged) it couldn't be proven that it was that 'particular' lie...and this, which looks as though it might be a good read, when finished....

Above the Law: How News International Got away.

https://www.byline.com/project/14

Phone hacking was in many ways just the tip of the iceberg. News International titles were at the centre of a web of institutional corruption that involved the systemic bribery of public officials to get information, by any means necessary. This goal was not just to sell newspapers, it was also aimed to influence, cajole and even blackmail powerful players in government to advance a political agenda.

In other news, Exaro are reporting this....

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5612/ ... eth-clarke

...I'm sure I remember something about this....oh yes, that's it (conspiracy theory, I know, but just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!)....

http://www.dailyalternative.co.uk/david ... e-silence/

...in conjunction with this....

https://amp.twimg.com/v/81013a10-7d2c-4 ... 5ddcb990fb

...08.30 Sunday, documentary uncovering Westmonster (frankly, I'm surprised it's being allowed to be aired - given who controls Australian media)...

We have been told by @60Mins that it WILL be pos to see its special on ‘Westminster paedophile network’ online. Will keep you posted on how

...and lastly, on QE2 and the Nazi salute - what the actual f***? In 1933, some saw Hitler and the Nazis for what they were - but he had just been 'democratically' elected and would very likely cross paths with the British Elite...who would need, for reasons of international diplomacy, to at least be aware how to keep another Head of State happy - why wouldn't Uncle Rupert investigate the Nazi connections from Nancy Astor to the pulling of the Cook Report mentioned above? (Clouncys' mater-in-law is Astors' daughter and Michael Green is quoted as saying 'if she tells me to do something, I do it'....like employing a certain vapid useless p***-trumpet as 'Corporate Comms Director' (who is also related to QE2 (and Boris de pfeiffeffeffell tiny-Johnson)) who subsequently manages to lose/unfind possible incriminating evidence. (For clarity, over the last 5-10 years I've hardened my stance as a Republican - at one time, the thought of Tory Blur as a presidential Head of State made me shiver(TM-LaGarde), so i was prepared to support the Monarchy...not now though - the whole bucket of sh1t has to go)

Poodle tip

I used to think (anti-monarchist though I am) that, since we're almost certainly going to have a head of state, I'd retain the monarch, spouse, and an heir and a spare. Copy some of the European models. Two child policy - as for the rest of us - and no other family members on the (considerably reduced) pay-roll. However, given the mindset of a lot of the British, we'd probably end up in a "Mary, Queen of Scots must go" situation. Although I do draw the line at executing them - so what to do?

Edited to insert a comma (good job refitman had one going spare).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:00 pm

Tim Farron avoids saying whether he sees gay sex as a sin

New Liberal Democrat leader asked about his beliefs as a Christian says to ‘understand Christianity is to understand that we are all sinners’ (Guardian)

Well, I could see that question coming a mile off.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... x-as-a-sin

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:08 pm

I don't understand the sensationalised stories about QElizabeth2 at this time; I thought it was common knowledge ties of diplomacy & all that necessitated some outward show of show toward Germany's unfortunate pick. It was also my understanding Prince Edward was rather fond or something like it of Germany's leader. I love history. I'm an amateur. The time leading up to WW2 isn't my favourite time period so my knowledge of that time isn't extensive. I wanted to add my voice to the question here - why is this being picked up now? It's not new.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:22 pm

Flipping through Tony Blair's family history, I'm staggered by the extraordinary biography of Leo Blair, Tony's father. Leo's other son, William, is an exceptional person too.

Doing some cursory research on David Cameron, I encountered the following:

Perhaps the most admirable characteristic of this father of three is that he refrained from making political capital out of his most painful personal experience.
http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/david-cameron" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Page after website page of write-ups of former PMs & other illustrious scoundrels & steadfasts - checking sources & tracking confirmation is essential if I want to know what really happened & even then, maybe.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:34 pm

citizenJA wrote:Flipping through Tony Blair's family history, I'm staggered by the extraordinary biography of Leo Blair, Tony's father. Leo's other son, William, is an exceptional person too.

Doing some cursory research on David Cameron, I encountered the following:
Perhaps the most admirable characteristic of this father of three is that he refrained from making political capital out of his most painful personal experience.
http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/david-cameron" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Page after website page of write-ups of former PMs & other illustrious scoundrels & steadfasts - checking sources & tracking confirmation is essential if I want to know what really happened & even then, maybe.

Must be a different PM named David Cameron, surely?

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:40 pm

citizenJA wrote:Flipping through Tony Blair's family history, I'm staggered by the extraordinary biography of Leo Blair, Tony's father. Leo's other son, William, is an exceptional person too.

Doing some cursory research on David Cameron, I encountered the following:
Perhaps the most admirable characteristic of this father of three is that he refrained from making political capital out of his most painful personal experience.
http://www.history.co.uk/biographies/david-cameron" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Page after website page of write-ups of former PMs & other illustrious scoundrels & steadfasts - checking sources & tracking confirmation is essential if I want to know what really happened & even then, maybe.

Mmm, to follow or not to follow your link, гражданка? He may have made PM but not the most interesting of chaps, although I sometimes seek info on him if only to take the piss. Does it mention his being approached by two well-dressed men on the beach? I think they were well dressed or is that in my mind's eye. Whatever I'd hate you deem I thought him handsome, I only added that to bolster the pretty boy image. Oh go on then, I'm always up for a laugh.

Edit: I've had the smile wiped from my face!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:42 pm

If the above is a reference to Ivan Cameron, that claim is of course almost the diametric opposite of the truth.

I would like to know how on earth they try to "justify" it........

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:44 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:If the above is a reference to Ivan Cameron, that claim is of course almost the diametric opposite of the truth.

I would like to know how on earth they try to "justify" it........

Yes - that's why I thought they must have been referring to the other PM named David Cameron. There must have been one to make that quote anything other than sarcasm.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:46 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:If the above is a reference to Ivan Cameron, that claim is of course almost the diametric opposite of the truth.

I would like to know how on earth they try to "justify" it........

It reads like it has been written by at least 5 different people, taking a sentence at a time.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:55 pm

Nearly a third of parents on low incomes miss a meal to feed their children, says report
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 97107.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 12:57 pm

HS2 tunnel could damage water supply
Current plans for the HS2's Chiltern tunnel could damage water supply in Buckinghamshire if given the go ahead, the High-Speed Rail Commons Select Committee has heard. Giving evidence to the committee, geologist Dr Haydon Bailey told the committee that a major regional water supply could be damaged by drilling just one hole.
http://wwtonline.co.uk/news/hs2-tunnel- ... ao-8irbKUn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 1:06 pm

Doctors are tweeting pictures of themselves at work this weekend with the hashtag #ImInWorkJeremy, in response to the Health Secretary's seven-day contracts for doctors plan.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImInWorkJer ... lang=en-gb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 2:04 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:If the above is a reference to Ivan Cameron, that claim is of course almost the diametric opposite of the truth.

I would like to know how on earth they try to "justify" it........

I just came back to check here, sorry for not responding sooner.
Yes, it was referring to David Cameron, current Tory PM & his son, Ivan.
The link is pretty mainstream information, it's not some nut website, at least, I never thought so until now.
It's just blatantly wrong.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 2:05 pm

If you want a giggle - go take a look at a certain person's twitter account...talk about bitter and angry. Oh dear...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 2:15 pm

Thanks for all the good wishes. I'll need them. I've just washed Mr Ohso's mobile phone

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 2:35 pm

Plaid pays for a 'positivity guru' as an image consultant... but asks for donations to fund election organisers
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well you could say that's sensible as their supporters are far more likely to fund election organisers which are pretty essential, eh? You could say that ...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 2:54 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:If you want a giggle - go take a look at a certain person's twitter account...talk about bitter and angry. Oh dear...

who's account ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 3:43 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Thanks for all the good wishes. I'll need them. I've just washed Mr Ohso's mobile phone

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 4:22 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:If you want a giggle - go take a look at a certain person's twitter account...talk about bitter and angry. Oh dear...
who's account ?

Think CIF, anti-NHS.
They're struggling to keep up with all the trolling needed to counter the very powerful message being put across by the ImInWorkJeremy hashtag today.
(At least I think that's who RoT means).

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 4:46 pm

Chris Lent ‏@MrChrisLent 51 mins51 minutes ago
Funny how our right wing media hasn't ridiculed Kendall for failing to secure the support of her own constituency #Labourleadership

Is this right?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 5:05 pm

Not sure - it was originally reported that her seat had nominated Cooper, but it is suggested now it was a mix up and one of the other Leicester seats did

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 5:16 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Chris Lent ‏@MrChrisLent 51 mins51 minutes ago
Funny how our right wing media hasn't ridiculed Kendall for failing to secure the support of her own constituency #Labourleadership
Is this right?

I can't find out - I've tried!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 6:22 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:HS2 tunnel could damage water supply
Current plans for the HS2's Chiltern tunnel could damage water supply in Buckinghamshire if given the go ahead, the High-Speed Rail Commons Select Committee has heard. Giving evidence to the committee, geologist Dr Haydon Bailey told the committee that a major regional water supply could be damaged by drilling just one hole.
http://wwtonline.co.uk/news/hs2-tunnel- ... ao-8irbKUn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't put it through a tunnel then. Let it run overground. Money saved, everyone's a winner.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 6:23 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:If you want a giggle - go take a look at a certain person's twitter account...talk about bitter and angry. Oh dear...
who's account ?
Think CIF, anti-NHS.
They're struggling to keep up with all the trolling needed to counter the very powerful message being put across by the ImInWorkJeremy hashtag today.
(At least I think that's who RoT means).

Yes it was.

And he's namechecked me too. Bless. Quite sad that he gets virtually no re-tweets - his rants fall on stony ground...

And now repeated the line about Mid Staffs for which he got thoroughly bitchslapped by Gabriel Scally a while back. This kinda thing is quite important...

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 6:26 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:HS2 tunnel could damage water supply
Current plans for the HS2's Chiltern tunnel could damage water supply in Buckinghamshire if given the go ahead, the High-Speed Rail Commons Select Committee has heard. Giving evidence to the committee, geologist Dr Haydon Bailey told the committee that a major regional water supply could be damaged by drilling just one hole.
http://wwtonline.co.uk/news/hs2-tunnel- ... ao-8irbKUn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't put it through a tunnel then. Let it run overground. Money saved, everyone's a winner.

Have you ever been to the Chilterns Tubby? I took my driving test there. When I did the hill start it was about the 20th I'd done that day. Railways like flat places. Or tunnels and viaducts.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 6:35 pm

It's been noted that it's Education questions in the Commons on Monday.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 150720.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9 Rishi Sunak (Richmond (Yorks))
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901094)

12 Mr Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury)
What progress she has made on the introduction of a national funding formula for schools. (901097)

13 Paul Maynard (Blackpool North and Cleveleys)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901098)

17 Victoria Prentis (Banbury)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901102)

Something tells me that fairer funding is a hot topic...and by coincidence, there's a HoC library note about it too.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wonder what prompts them to do these - do they just have a look around and see what's currently being discussed e.g. there was one on Inheritance Tax just before the emergency budget.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:15 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:If you want a giggle - go take a look at a certain person's twitter account...talk about bitter and angry. Oh dear...
who's account ?
Think CIF, anti-NHS.
They're struggling to keep up with all the trolling needed to counter the very powerful message being put across by the ImInWorkJeremy hashtag today.
(At least I think that's who RoT means).

Are you any the wiser AAW? I'm not! I must be very out of the CIF loop now.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:17 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:HS2 tunnel could damage water supply
Current plans for the HS2's Chiltern tunnel could damage water supply in Buckinghamshire if given the go ahead, the High-Speed Rail Commons Select Committee has heard. Giving evidence to the committee, geologist Dr Haydon Bailey told the committee that a major regional water supply could be damaged by drilling just one hole.
http://wwtonline.co.uk/news/hs2-tunnel- ... ao-8irbKUn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't put it through a tunnel then. Let it run overground. Money saved, everyone's a winner.
Have you ever been to the Chilterns Tubby? I took my driving test there. When I did the hill start it was about the 20th I'd done that day. Railways like flat places. Or tunnels and viaducts.

Nice one oiky. I used to live on / in the Chilterns. I've got very very strong Achilles tendons as a result.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:20 pm

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Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:29 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:HS2 tunnel could damage water supply
Current plans for the HS2's Chiltern tunnel could damage water supply in Buckinghamshire if given the go ahead, the High-Speed Rail Commons Select Committee has heard. Giving evidence to the committee, geologist Dr Haydon Bailey told the committee that a major regional water supply could be damaged by drilling just one hole.
http://wwtonline.co.uk/news/hs2-tunnel- ... ao-8irbKUn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't put it through a tunnel then. Let it run overground. Money saved, everyone's a winner.
Have you ever been to the Chilterns Tubby? I took my driving test there. When I did the hill start it was about the 20th I'd done that day. Railways like flat places. Or tunnels and viaducts.

Cutting or viaduct will do it. Tunnels are seriously expensive.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:30 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:It's been noted that it's Education questions in the Commons on Monday.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 150720.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9 Rishi Sunak (Richmond (Yorks))
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901094)

12 Mr Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury)
What progress she has made on the introduction of a national funding formula for schools. (901097)

13 Paul Maynard (Blackpool North and Cleveleys)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901098)

17 Victoria Prentis (Banbury)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901102)

Something tells me that fairer funding is a hot topic...and by coincidence, there's a HoC library note about it too.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wonder what prompts them to do these - do they just have a look around and see what's currently being discussed e.g. there was one on Inheritance Tax just before the emergency budget.

Whoosh, watch that pupil premium shrink.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:36 pm

Wonder how many of those Tory constituencies have deeply uneconomic small village primaries in them. Can't be too bad the funding if they can afford to fund them.

Funnily enough these are one part of the public estate they don't want to sell off.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 7:54 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: who's account ?
Think CIF, anti-NHS.
They're struggling to keep up with all the trolling needed to counter the very powerful message being put across by the ImInWorkJeremy hashtag today.
(At least I think that's who RoT means).
Are you any the wiser AAW? I'm not! I must be very out of the CIF loop now.

Nope still don't know who it is ....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 8:16 pm

There was a skit on some Radio 4 show yesterday about the Bennite, Blairite, Brownite, Thatcherite, iteism that seems to be 'de rigeur' (one for you PF) nowadays. That is you can't be a serious senior politician - and certainly not prime ministerial - without having an 'ite' attached.

They tried out the current Labour leadership candidates

Kendallite - was a diet sweet - less sugary Kendal mint cake
Corbynite - a building material
Cooperite - I can't remember - can anyone else?
Burnhamite - can't remember that one either ...

But my point is ... can anyone imagine what 'Cameronite' might come to represent? I think it will be something so slippery and slimey - without any fixed points or commitments - the pinnacle of U turnism.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 8:42 pm

Interesting bit of Gove yesterday.

Considering making education progress a condition for leaving jail. It, er, already is. The Parole Board look at progress made across the board including on courses designed to reduce reoffending.

I guess he wants to take it further than that and have his proxy sat there telling prisoners "Sorry, you got 45 out of 100. Pass mark was 50. Another 6 months for you".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 8:47 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:It's been noted that it's Education questions in the Commons on Monday.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 150720.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9 Rishi Sunak (Richmond (Yorks))
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901094)
12 Mr Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury)
What progress she has made on the introduction of a national funding formula for schools. (901097)
13 Paul Maynard (Blackpool North and Cleveleys)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901098)
17 Victoria Prentis (Banbury)
What progress her Department is making on providing fairer funding for schools. (901102)
Something tells me that fairer funding is a hot topic...and by coincidence, there's a HoC library note about it too.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN06702" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wonder what prompts them to do these - do they just have a look around and see what's currently being discussed e.g. there was one on Inheritance Tax just before the emergency budget.

I do like a good House of Commons Briefing Paper well footnoted.
If all that can be done is to document the disaster, I'm glad someone is doing it.
Makes the biographies & histories easier to write later on.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 8:56 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Willow904 wrote: Think CIF, anti-NHS.
They're struggling to keep up with all the trolling needed to counter the very powerful message being put across by the ImInWorkJeremy hashtag today.
(At least I think that's who RoT means).
Are you any the wiser AAW? I'm not! I must be very out of the CIF loop now.
Nope still don't know who it is ....

The rusty one quarantined in the members area.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 18 Jul, 2015 8:58 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:There was a skit on some Radio 4 show yesterday about the Bennite, Blairite, Brownite, Thatcherite, iteism that seems to be 'de rigeur' (one for you PF) nowadays. That is you can't be a serious senior politician - and certainly not prime ministerial - without having an 'ite' attached.

They tried out the current Labour leadership candidates

Kendallite - was a diet sweet - less sugary Kendal mint cake
Corbynite - a building material
Cooperite - I can't remember - can anyone else?
Burnhamite - can't remember that one either ...

But my point is ... can anyone imagine what 'Cameronite' might come to represent? I think it will be something so slippery and slimey - without any fixed points or commitments - the pinnacle of U turnism.

Cameronite - seems solid, but liable to collapse or rotate 180 degrees without warning.