Weekend Edition - Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th August

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 8:38 am

Good morning all.

It's a beautiful sunny day here in Hay. Hallelujah - it's been cold and wet for too long......

There is an interesting thing on Kids Company here - fullfact.org/factcheck/education_kids_company_36000_helped-47069
It seems that there is as much confusion about how many children have been helped as there is about the finances of KC.

There is also a piece in the G from a teacher working for KC whose classes comprised mainly young adults (aged 16 to 23).
It's quite a moving piece - but I can't help wondering why these young people couldn't go to an ordinary school or college.

I'm now, after all the articles and whatnot from all sides, beginning to feel that this whole debacle is down to Camila Batmangelidjh, who seems to have bought into her own myth and surrounded herself with acolytes who believe in it too.

Such a shame.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 8:56 am

Don't know what to make of it all, a few days ago I came across this from 2007

Despite suffering from severe dyslexia, she gained a first class degree in drama, a masters in counselling and psychology, and studied child development at the Tavistock Institute before working as a nanny and setting up her first charity, A Place To Be, providing counselling for children.
Some of her oddness is the result of being born two months' premature. "I was sent home to die," she says. It left her with two major disabilities, an endocrine disorder which makes her fat, and neurological problems that mean she cannot use a computer, a sewing machine, a car or even watch a screen. After 30 years in this country she's still classed as an asylum-seeker because she cannot fill in the forms.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ldren.html

I wonder, although her overriding motive seems to be genuine (to me at least) she always seems genuine in her aims - she might not have the ability to organize and administer such a huge task ...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 9:00 am

The Mail are on the Corbyn attack with allegations of his 'longstanding links' with Paul Eisen who penned the following '

'I question that there ever was an official plan on the part of Hitler or any other part of the National Socialist Regime systematically and physically to eliminate every Jew in Europe,'
'I question that there ever existed homicidal gas-chambers… Deny the Holocaust! For my money, a child of six can see that something's not right about the Holocaust narrative... For me, "Holocaust Denier" is a label I accept.'

Corbyn's office has responded with:
'Paul Eisen is not someone Jeremy Corbyn's office has any dealings with.
Based upon what is in written in the articles here, anyone can call themselves a “long time associate” when in fact that is not the case.
Paul Eisen clearly holds some of the most extreme views that are entirely his, and Jeremy totally opposes them and disassociates himself from them.'

Mail allege 'When asked to confirm whether Corbyn knows Eisen personally, or whether Eisen's accounts of Corbyn attending 'every single' one of his events and 'opening his cheque book' to his organisation are correct, the spokesperson declined to comment.'

Elsewhere, that purveyor of drivel, lies and sexist tripe, The Sun, calls Corbyn's ideas 'drivel'.
72 year old Trevor Kavanagh, working for 84 year old Rupert Murdoch, deems 66 year old Corbyn to be too 'clapped out' to run for office in 2020.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 9:04 am

TobyLatimer wrote:Don't know what to make of it all, a few days ago I came across this from 2007

Despite suffering from severe dyslexia, she gained a first class degree in drama, a masters in counselling and psychology, and studied child development at the Tavistock Institute before working as a nanny and setting up her first charity, A Place To Be, providing counselling for children.
Some of her oddness is the result of being born two months' premature. "I was sent home to die," she says. It left her with two major disabilities, an endocrine disorder which makes her fat, and neurological problems that mean she cannot use a computer, a sewing machine, a car or even watch a screen. After 30 years in this country she's still classed as an asylum-seeker because she cannot fill in the forms.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ldren.html

I wonder, although her overriding motive seems to be genuine (to me at least) she always seems genuine in her aims - she might not have the ability to organize and administer such a huge task ...

Agree Toby. Her ability to connect with and want to heal young people is not in doubt, but heading up a big organisation is another matter.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 9:09 am

Just had two political surveys to complete, one for Opinium and the other for YouGov.

The You Gov one was mainly about the Labour leadership, whether I a party member or £3 sign up.
Questions asked about personal qualities and faults of the candidates etc.

Being forced to answer the questions actually helps focus the mind - who could lead the party to win an election, who is closest to one's own beliefs.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:01 am

yahyah wrote:Just had two political surveys to complete, one for Opinium and the other for YouGov.

The You Gov one was mainly about the Labour leadership, whether I a party member or £3 sign up.
Questions asked about personal qualities and faults of the candidates etc.

Being forced to answer the questions actually helps focus the mind - who could lead the party to win an election, who is closest to one's own beliefs.

I had the YouGov one too - you're right, it does focus the mind.....but it hasn't changed mine!

mikems · Post by **mikems** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:04 am

I wonder how long the Daily Mail has had 'links' with this Paul Eisen? They must have known him, or been willing to talk to him, despite being a holocaust denier...and who was it tangentially related to this story who also had 'links' to the Daily Mail, back in the day?

Edited to add that I further wondered who has been 'opening his cheque book' to get this vile smear into the Daily Mail?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:28 am

Morning.

@yahyah - mostly.

Mr Riots and I still haven't visited Cardigan Castle. However - judging by reports from those who have and what has been going on in the local press we may not be doing so any time soon. It has all become rather messy and nasty. The opening event was marred by fears there would be a demonstration outside because the powers that be had decided to book a folk band that is decidedly English ... For a venue that was intended to be very much focused on Welsh heritage and culture that does seem like a very strange decision. There's bad feeling in the town about this and many other aspects - not least the very large amount of money that's been spent - 12m so far - with not much obvious benefit to the town and surroundings.

I think this is an issue that's going to run for quite some time ... rather like the Cardigan balls on the river.

For more on the story and various links to other pieces see the Pembrokeshire Herald http://www.pembrokeshire-herald.com/173 ... ncidences/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jac O'the North has got hold of the story and is digging hard. His blog has some comments that are very anti English below - but he has unearthed quite a bit of what has been going on.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:35 am

The housing association that will no longer build homes for the poor
Genesis housing association blames the government in its decision to drop social housing, but funds thinktanks that influence policies which force its hand
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-netw ... or-genesis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... Genesis was established as Paddington Churches Housing Association in the 1960s. Like many others created at the same time, its mission was to provide low-rent homes for families who needed them. Many housing associations still have similar values today, which is why they have charitable status. They have argued that when making commercial decisions, these social values would save them from mission creep. They called this process “profit for a purpose” and argued that, as social businesses, they would always take this into account when making strategic decisions.

All the evidence suggests that this is no longer happening in a growing number of housing associations. The real question now is how many more will follow Genesis’s example, or how many have already done so silently? There is already talk of a number of housing associations considering de-registering as a social housing provider, paying back their grants and becoming private companies.

It is sad that a sector that was created by social housing giants to challenge government policies on homelessness and poor housing conditions now seeks to mirror the current government’s backward steps into a housing policy more suited to the 19th century than the 21st. The chief executive of Genesis reportedly said that housing low-income families “won’t be my problem”. I wonder what those who founded Genesis almost 50 years ago would say to that...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 10:39 am

That "splash" in the Mail is pretty thin gruel, tbh.

Though it does make you wonder if the Tory press are holding certain things back for the possibility of Jezza actually being elected?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 11:20 am

Morning all.

My attention was drawn to an announcement about Birmingham schools and a new school improvement organisation which Estelle Morris is involved in. At first I couldn't see what the tweet was getting at...but then read to the end.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/mi ... es-9811207" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Baroness Morris added: “The creation of ... t BEP.[/b]

Well I never...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30856590" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A review of the Education Department's handling of concerns about extremism in schools is "farcical", a Birmingham headteacher has told the BBC.

The review said there were "no instances... where specific 'warnings' were ignored" or where officials or ministers acted "inappropriately".

But Queensbridge School head Tim Boyes said the department "did absolutely nothing because it's a thorny policy".

Mr Boyes met a minister twice in 2010 to discuss his concerns.
'Unreasonable'

He said the second meeting included a presentation to the minister, Lord Hill, about concerns that Muslim hardliners were trying to take control of Birmingham schools.

The meeting was held three years before a letter - now widely assumed to be a forgery - alleging a "Trojan Horse" plot was sent to Birmingham council.

Reaction from someone who was right at the centre of the action as assistant principal at Park View was...interesting.

Lee Donaghy ‏@LeeDonaghy 20h20 hours ago
Brum Post on the new Birmingham Education Partnership is hilarious - in other words, Muslims need not apply.

and

Lee Donaghy ‏@LeeDonaghy 20h20 hours ago
No, just isolated from their communities. Can't let those Muslims get too close! Oh and evangelical mudslinger is CEO

Funny how no-one ever found out exactly who wrote that letter...convenient.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 11:23 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:That "splash" in the Mail is pretty thin gruel, tbh.

Though it does make you wonder if the Tory press are holding certain things back for the possibility of Jezza actually being elected?

He's a beast I tell you, Anatoly, hadn't you heard? He likes to shoot deer and chase foxes then watch them being ripped apart by hounds. He even has a penchant for smearing their blood on kiddies' faces. Or have I got the wrong leader?

Post by **refitman** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 11:49 am

### Sporting update ###
England have won the Ashes
###Sporting update###

Now back to your regular programming.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 12:02 pm

refitman wrote:### Sporting update ###
England have won the Ashes
###Sporting update###

Now back to your regular programming.

All down to Dave. Or so he'll be along soon to tell us. Just wait.

(However, I have no wish to rain on your parade! I'm pleased for you since, I'm guessing, it's something close to your heart.)

Good morfternoon, everyone.

By the way - Calais seems to have dropped out of the news, for some reason. Must be all that British fencing (and the bulldogs) which we sent.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 12:23 pm

I note that the friends of Gove are pointing out that he tried to stop funding years back, and wondering where the trustees were.

Henry de Zoete retweeted Tom Copley
Exactly. Henry de Zoete added,
Tom Copley @tomcopley
Complete abdication of responsibility by Alan Yentob. What were he and the board of trustees doing? #c4news

and

Henry de Zoete retweeted Paul Waugh
True. But they never spoke out. Gove only one who questioned and tried to stop funding Henry de Zoete added,
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
People in charitable sector hv long had serious concerns re Kids Co, + the way gullible politicians swayed by celeb appeal

Think I'd take them more seriously if they haven't had some abject failures in the free school process with them set up in exactly the same way - charities with trustees.

Kings Science?
Where were the trustees then when the HT was - allegedly - playing fast and loose with the schools' funds?
And where were the trustees that failed to notice that they didn't have a chair of governors for a year?

Hypocrites.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 12:41 pm

Donald Trump banned from major event over menstruation jibe at Megyn Kelly
Conservative activist Erick Erickson, organizer of the RedState Gathering, says mogul went ‘a bridge too far’ in discussing Fox News moderator’s tough questioning.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... on-comment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:07 pm

Beautiful day.
I've been out in the garden picking plums and feeding a battered, neglected old tomcat who calls once a day for food.

Eating sun warm plums has to be one of the best things in life.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:12 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Beautiful day.
I've been out in the garden picking plums and feeding a battered, neglected old tomcat who calls once a day for food.

Eating sun warm plums has to be one of the best things in life.

Very impressed that your plums are ready for the picking and eating. Ours are way off.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:13 pm

A really long read but worth it.

From Miliband to Corbyn: Labour struggles to renew itself
Robin Blackburn 7 August 2015
To understand the rise of Corbyn, we first need to properly understand Ed Miliband's legacy.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdo ... new-itself" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:23 pm

Is it just me ... or is this really just a load of b******s?

Labour centrists like me aren’t cynics: we’re the truly ethical wing of the left
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... I am a Labour centrist supporter not out of cynicism but out of principle, because I believe the only ethical politics of the left today has to be moderate, reasoning, and sceptical. I am Labour, but I am not a socialist any more.

What really shocked me when I saw the last days of the Soviet world was not its totalitarianism. Everyone knew about that. But as a socialist student in the 1980s I’d absorbed the notion that the USSR was a “state capitalist” system that never achieved true socialism. That illusion crumbled when I queued for gruel ladelled out from huge tubs at Moscow airport and bought a drink at a shop where there were separate tills for each of the small range of commodities. I was seeing pure socialism – and everyone I met was exploding with joy to escape from it...

Is he really equating some of Corbyn's policies with this extreme example?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:44 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:A really long read but worth it.

From Miliband to Corbyn: Labour struggles to renew itself
Robin Blackburn 7 August 2015
To understand the rise of Corbyn, we first need to properly understand Ed Miliband's legacy.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdo ... new-itself" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you - that's the first really well-presented and cogent analysis of the situation I've seen.

Some of his arguments about the Miliband leadership are what I have been thinking for a long time - and I still believe that if Ed had not been hamstrung by what Blackburn calls the "cabal" of the Shadow Cabinet, he would have moved further to the left.

Despite what happened and despite his resignation, I still think that Ed has the makings of a statesman and I really hope he gets another chance to prove it.

Meanwhile, I am inclined to think that Corbyn's vision is closer to the ideas of Ralph Miliband - ideas that are actually a lot less "left" than many assume, if the article is to be believed.

So - it's still Corbyn for me.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:47 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Is it just me ... or is this really just a load of b******s?

Labour centrists like me aren’t cynics: we’re the truly ethical wing of the left
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... I am a Labour centrist supporter not out of cynicism but out of principle, because I believe the only ethical politics of the left today has to be moderate, reasoning, and sceptical. I am Labour, but I am not a socialist any more.

What really shocked me when I saw the last days of the Soviet world was not its totalitarianism. Everyone knew about that. But as a socialist student in the 1980s I’d absorbed the notion that the USSR was a “state capitalist” system that never achieved true socialism. That illusion crumbled when I queued for gruel ladelled out from huge tubs at Moscow airport and bought a drink at a shop where there were separate tills for each of the small range of commodities. I was seeing pure socialism – and everyone I met was exploding with joy to escape from it...
Is he really equating some of Corbyn's policies with this extreme example?

Well, I haven't yet read the full article, but really - the definition of pure\true socialism is gruel and separate tills?

And, to answer your question - yes, I think he is.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:49 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Is it just me ... or is this really just a load of b******s?

Labour centrists like me aren’t cynics: we’re the truly ethical wing of the left
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -socialism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... I am a Labour centrist supporter not out of cynicism but out of principle, because I believe the only ethical politics of the left today has to be moderate, reasoning, and sceptical. I am Labour, but I am not a socialist any more.

What really shocked me when I saw the last days of the Soviet world was not its totalitarianism. Everyone knew about that. But as a socialist student in the 1980s I’d absorbed the notion that the USSR was a “state capitalist” system that never achieved true socialism. That illusion crumbled when I queued for gruel ladelled out from huge tubs at Moscow airport and bought a drink at a shop where there were separate tills for each of the small range of commodities. I was seeing pure socialism – and everyone I met was exploding with joy to escape from it...
Is he really equating some of Corbyn's policies with this extreme example?

Yes he is.

He's a not-very-good art critic who doesn't understand the difference between social democracy and what he calls socialism - what he described is the dying throes of a totalitarian Soviet state.

To claim that the "centrists" are all about morality carries with it an implication that nobody else has any morality.

Prat.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:49 pm

David Cameron shows off wild side with Bear Grylls

SLEEVES rolled up and toasting marshmallows over a camp fire, David Cameron showed off his wild side with TV action man Bear Grylls.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... meron-wild

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 1:55 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Beautiful day.
I've been out in the garden picking plums and feeding a battered, neglected old tomcat who calls once a day for food.

Eating sun warm plums has to be one of the best things in life.
Very impressed that your plums are ready for the picking and eating. Ours are way off.

Mine are late by a couple of weeks.
I read that growers have been pleased at the sweetness of the crop this year.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 2:10 pm

As it's weekend:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news ... ng-6216398

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 2:28 pm

Thank you herero from BTL on that grossly stupid G article on Corbyn and Stalinism ....

herero 10m ago

My views of capitalism were drastically affected when New York airport sent my burst rucksack round the conveyor belt with socks and pants all over the place; so I understand Jones "What I did on my holidays" view of political ideology.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 2:30 pm

Apart from anything else, JC comes from the Trot strain of hard leftism - not the Stalinist (think Scargill or maybe Galloway for that)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 2:42 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Apart from anything else, JC comes from the Trot strain of hard leftism - not the Stalinist (think Scargill or maybe Galloway for that)

I know it's very superficial but, having met him, dandruff is always the first thing to come to mind when I think of Arthur Scargill - with Stalinism coming a poor second.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 3:22 pm

This from the USA is very disturbing

Henry A. Giroux | Schools as Punishing Factories: The Handcuffing of Public Education

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3223 ... -education#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"In Meridian, when schools want to discipline children, they do much more than just send them to the principal's office. They call the police, who show up to arrest children who are as young as 10 years old. Arrests, the Department of Justice says, happen automatically, regardless of whether the police officer knows exactly what kind of offense the child has committed or whether that offense is even worthy of an arrest. The police department's policy is to arrest all children referred to the agency. Once those children are in the juvenile justice system, they are denied basic constitutional rights. They are handcuffed and incarcerated for days without any hearing and subsequently warehoused without understanding their alleged probation violations."
Edit to add
"The increasing criminalization of students of color, poor students and students with disabilities is taking place in the context of a broader attack on public schools as a whole. Like many institutions that represent the public good, public schools are under attack by market, religious and educational fundamentalists. Schools are considered dangerous because they are public, not because they are failing. State and corporate leaders are seeking to take power out of the hands of public school teachers and administrators because public schools harbor teachers with the potential to engage in pedagogies that are imaginative, empowering, critical and capable of connecting learning with the practice of freedom and the search for justice. The pedagogies of oppression - whether in the form of high-stakes testing, teaching for the test, imposing punitive disciplinary measures or the construction of relations that disempower teachers and empower security guards - are part of a broader attempt to destroy the social state and the institutions that produce the formative culture necessary for a democracy."

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 3:36 pm

Worst places to live in the UK: Barking and Dagenham come first in top 10 list dominated by nine London boroughs

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 42606.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"As London boroughs wallow on the “miserable” list, the Yorkshire spa town of Harrogate has topped the Rightmove list of the happiest place to live for the third year running. "

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 3:50 pm

Labour leadership: Stella Creasy says party 'missed a trick' over vote

Labour "missed a trick" over the way it allowed people to register to vote for the new party leader, deputy leadership candidate Stella Creasy has said. (BBC News website)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33833433

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 4:15 pm

Dr Zoe Norris
GP working in the NHS

100 Days of Dave - The NHS

I was politically ambivalent about the general election. Like a lot of NHS staff, I was torn between knowing that things were bad in the health service, especially in general practice, but equally knowing that a change of government would inevitably mean some sort of re-branding, reorganisation and changes of priorities. I knew an NHS on its knees already wouldn't cope with that. When the result came in, it was going to be more of the same. No massive changes, just slogging on trying to get the government to listen.

I was totally wrong. Hoping that the status quo would be maintained turned out to be hugely optimistic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-zoe- ... _hp_ref=uk

What did some of these people think would happen? Twitter was awash with warnings about what the Tories had planned for the NHS and many of those warnings were from professional people.

I give up. I really give up!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 5:41 pm

David Cameron enjoys a holiday beer as Eurotunnel 'threatens' to sue UK over Calais crisis

THIS picture shows David Cameron enjoying a relaxing beer on holiday as Eurotunnel threaten to sue the UK Government over the ongoing Calais migrant crisis.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ant-crisis

From the photo it looks as if those poor buggers in Cornwall have got them again.

On the bright side don't they have a lot of large jellyfish again this year?

Edited for correction

They're in Portugal...What size are the jelly fish there?

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 5:47 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
David Cameron enjoys a holiday beer as Eurotunnel 'threatens' to sue UK over Calais crisis

THIS picture shows David Cameron enjoying a relaxing beer on holiday as Eurotunnel threaten to sue the UK Government over the ongoing Calais migrant crisis.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ant-crisis
From the photo it looks as if those poor buggers in Cornwall have got them again.

On the bright side don't they have a lot of large jellyfish again this year?

Edited for correction

They're in Portugal...What size are the jelly fish there?

some of the comments on that piece

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:02 pm

After a very frustrating morning and early afternoon trying to deal with IT issues - unsuccessfully yet again - Mr Riots and I ventured out for a rare leisure activity together (that needs to be said / heard as leejure as in America viz 'leisure suit'). As we set off I told Mr Riots that our neighbour had told me she'd been rung up by one of those scammers who claim they are from Microsoft and have detected something is wrong with your computer but 'never mind I'm going to talk you through all the steps to fix it'. When she told him she wasn't stupid and if he thought she would give him any details about anything over the phone he had another think coming ... his silky manner changed in an instant and he apparently called her an effing effing effing ... ing bitch several times over. Nice eh.

Mr Riots told me he had answered the phone yesterday to someone who started with 'I'm calling about your accident'. He responded 'I haven't had it yet' and put the phone down!

A few minutes later he added 'and then I drove around very carefully for the rest of the day'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:19 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
David Cameron enjoys a holiday beer as Eurotunnel 'threatens' to sue UK over Calais crisis

THIS picture shows David Cameron enjoying a relaxing beer on holiday as Eurotunnel threaten to sue the UK Government over the ongoing Calais migrant crisis.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ant-crisis
From the photo it looks as if those poor buggers in Cornwall have got them again.

On the bright side don't they have a lot of large jellyfish again this year?

Edited for correction

They're in Portugal...What size are the jelly fish there?
some of the comments on that piece

I confess I've pretty much stopped reading BTL in any newspaper. I get too angry.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:25 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: From the photo it looks as if those poor buggers in Cornwall have got them again.

On the bright side don't they have a lot of large jellyfish again this year?

Edited for correction

They're in Portugal...What size are the jelly fish there?
some of the comments on that piece
I confess I've pretty much stopped reading BTL in any newspaper. I get too angry.

Whether in Cornwall or Portugal, it has been my observation that the jellyfish available when Cameron graces either place with his presence are, oddly, the same sort of dimensions and amorphous shape as Our Glorious Ronsealed Fishpointer General himself.

Good to see he is wearing the same blue shirt he has worn on the 26 holidays he has had since 2010.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:34 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: From the photo it looks as if those poor buggers in Cornwall have got them again.

On the bright side don't they have a lot of large jellyfish again this year?

Edited for correction

They're in Portugal...What size are the jelly fish there?
some of the comments on that piece
I confess I've pretty much stopped reading BTL in any newspaper. I get too angry.

There are the odd turns of phrase BTL there that are quite entertaining. 'Tory dumpling' for instance.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:40 pm

Funny how Boris didn't seem to notice that inner London schools have been quietly improving over the past decade and a half but heaps fulsome praise on a school that's been going for only a year, has no results against its name and has not yet been inspected...ah but their chair of governors is a newly elected Tory MP...

It may well be doing great things but the blindness in not being able to acknowledge what's been done elsewhere is typical. Remind me again how many new state schools have advisors like they had including the HT of Wellington School?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:41 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:After a very frustrating morning and early afternoon trying to deal with IT issues - unsuccessfully yet again - Mr Riots and I ventured out for a rare leisure activity together (that needs to be said / heard as leejure as in America viz 'leisure suit'). As we set off I told Mr Riots that our neighbour had told me she'd been rung up by one of those scammers who claim they are from Microsoft and have detected something is wrong with your computer but 'never mind I'm going to talk you through all the steps to fix it'. When she told him she wasn't stupid and if he thought she would give him any details about anything over the phone he had another think coming ... his silky manner changed in an instant and he apparently called her an effing effing effing ... ing bitch several times over. Nice eh.

Mr Riots told me he had answered the phone yesterday to someone who started with 'I'm calling about your accident'. He responded 'I haven't had it yet' and put the phone down!

A few minutes later he added 'and then I drove around very carefully for the rest of the day'.

If you get a call from Carphone Warehouse it could be genuine, they've just said on the radio that they will be contacting customers asap about the security breach, which also affects PC World, Talk Talk, Dixson's and some others.

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:43 pm

Thanks for the post about Cardigan Castle Rebecca.

TBH, I think we will be staying away - if the local Nats are that picky we'll keep our English money in our pockets and spend it somewhere else.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:47 pm

David Hencke ‏@davidhencke 19m19 minutes ago
@MichaelWhite And a debut article from @davidhencke on Stormin' Corbyn wooing Berkhamsted for @Byline_Media http://bit.ly/1Mcooqu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:50 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
David Hencke ‏@davidhencke 19m19 minutes ago
@MichaelWhite And a debut article from @davidhencke on Stormin' Corbyn wooing Berkhamsted for @Byline_Media http://bit.ly/1Mcooqu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you know if he's coming out our way Rebecca ?
Would like to see him if he came to Aberystwyth or somewhere local but suppose he won't because of the small amount of people around here.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:53 pm

yahyah wrote:Thanks for the post about Cardigan Castle Rebecca.

TBH, I think we will be staying away - if the local Nats are that picky we'll keep our English money in our pockets and spend it somewhere else.

It's just bloody depressing that something that should be so good for the area has turned into a source of conflict and unrest ... not to mention the money. Let's hope it settles down and they get someone good in as director (have no idea how good the previous deposed director was).

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:54 pm

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
David Hencke ‏@davidhencke 19m19 minutes ago
@MichaelWhite And a debut article from @davidhencke on Stormin' Corbyn wooing Berkhamsted for @Byline_Media http://bit.ly/1Mcooqu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you know if he's coming out our way Rebecca ?
Would like to see him if he came to Aberystwyth or somewhere local but suppose he won't because of the small amount of people around here.

I think he's doing Cardiff. Hardly counts as 'our way' though, does it.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:55 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Thanks for the post about Cardigan Castle Rebecca.

TBH, I think we will be staying away - if the local Nats are that picky we'll keep our English money in our pockets and spend it somewhere else.
It's just bloody depressing that something that should be so good for the area has turned into a source of conflict and unrest ... not to mention the money. Let's hope it settles down and they get someone good in as director (have no idea how good the previous deposed director was).

I'd been a bit put off when phoning for info a couple of times, it all seemed very disorganised.
I tried to find out what the menu in the restaurant was like and couldn't get a sensible reply on that even.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:56 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:

Do you know if he's coming out our way Rebecca ?
Would like to see him if he came to Aberystwyth or somewhere local but suppose he won't because of the small amount of people around here.
I think he's doing Cardiff. Hardly counts as 'our way' though, does it.

Shame, that's too far away.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 6:58 pm

David Hencke probably echoes what a lot of people feel when he writes ''That is why I am still deciding whether I should take the plunge and back Corbyn or stick with either Cooper or Burnham''.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 08 Aug, 2015 7:13 pm

Tory Britain

Homeless woman describes shocking moment she was attacked by Northern Quarter 'madman'

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