Thursday 18th September 2014

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:13 am

Mike Hancock.has resigned from.the Lib dem Party.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:15 am

HindleA wrote:Mike Hancock.has resigned from.the Lib dem Party.

Good time to bury bad news and all that

Though it does maybe add to rumours (reported in the latest Private Eye) that he could still stand as an Independent at the GE.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:21 am

Leanne Wood, someone shoot me now!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:23 am

Evening All

Just a reminder of this excellent tool

http://vis.oobrien.com/indyref/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which predicts results in East Lothian (narrowly No) and North Lanarkshire (narrowly Yes) at 2.00 am

Insofar as we know anything about this vote these look like interesting early indicators.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:26 am

David Maddox@DavidPBMaddox

Alex Salmond understood to be coming to Edinburgh. Ladbrokes have cut odds that he will resign in 48 hours to 2/1 #indyref #indyts

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:26 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Evening All

Just a reminder of this excellent tool

http://vis.oobrien.com/indyref/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which predicts results in East Lothian (narrowly No) and North Lanarkshire (narrowly Yes) at 2.00 am

Insofar as we know anything about this vote these look like interesting early indicators.

Thanks for that.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:27 am

Road traffic accident closes A9, delaying Caithness boxes from travelling down to the counting centre.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:29 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote: Who deemed her the spokesperson for all things regarding Labour?
I have no idea, Miliband needs to get a grip and replace her with somebody competent.
Does he have any say? She is somebody who the Beeb loves to go to for the "Labour view" - for reasons best known to themselves.

Yes he does, in the same way I am not permitted to represent my company in front of the media. She should be told that she is not permitted to act as a Labour Party representative to the media.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:34 am

HindleA wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Evening All

Just a reminder of this excellent tool

http://vis.oobrien.com/indyref/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which predicts results in East Lothian (narrowly No) and North Lanarkshire (narrowly Yes) at 2.00 am

Insofar as we know anything about this vote these look like interesting early indicators.

Thanks for that.

You're welcome A

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:39 am

One for Clegg non-fans:
http://ow.ly/i/6V1fA

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:40 am

BBC calling E Lothian as firmly no (see above)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:44 am

BBC Politics ‏@BBCPolitics 20s
First Minister Alex Salmond cancels appearance at own #indyref count, @bbcnickrobinson says http://bbc.in/1AtI5RP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:44 am

Here we go:

Craig Fowler:
Police have asked counters in Glasgow to remove some ballot papers after allegations of electoral fraud.

(from the Scotsman)

and the BBC

Editor of The Herald, Magnus Llewellin: BREAKING: Allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow. Allegations of double vote impersonation in Glasgow #indyref

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:48 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:Here we go:

Craig Fowler:
Police have asked counters in Glasgow to remove some ballot papers after allegations of electoral fraud.
(from the Scotsman)

Ten papers apparently.....

Not likely to swing it.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:52 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:Here we go:

Craig Fowler:
Police have asked counters in Glasgow to remove some ballot papers after allegations of electoral fraud.
(from the Scotsman)
Ten papers apparently.....

Not likely to swing it.

Yes - he's confirmed that now.

Craig Fowler:
More on the allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow: apparently some people turned up to vote but were told that someone already had in their name. What I want to know is whether these fraudsters, after impersonating someone else, then tried to vote again using their own vote. And, if so, did they just come back ten minutes later wearing a hat or fake moustache?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:53 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:Here we go:

Craig Fowler:
Police have asked counters in Glasgow to remove some ballot papers after allegations of electoral fraud.
(from the Scotsman)
Ten papers apparently.....

Not likely to swing it.

Ah but if ballots have been fixed it depends were they no's or yes' because it will play into the narrative tomorrow. there are already crazy rumours about secret service fixing the vote.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:56 am

Temulkar wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:Here we go:
(from the Scotsman)
Ten papers apparently.....

Not likely to swing it.
Ah but if ballots have been fixed it depends were they no's or yes' because it will play into the narrative tomorrow. there are already crazy rumours about secret service fixing the vote.

I think we can be pretty certain that if the secret service have fixed the vote we will never find out.

Besides they are all too busy gawping at people's naked webcam sessions.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:03 am

BBC Politics@BBCPolitics

The Queen is expected to issue written statement on #indyref result on Friday afternoon bbc.in/1AtI5RP

Too much to hope for her to publicly chastise Cameron?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:15 am

''No'' sources confident of winning Aberdeenshire, Salmond's stomping ground.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:15 am

''No'' sources confident of winning Aberdeenshire, Salmond's stomping ground.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:29 am

Early days, but looking ok for the union. Cameron of course is screwed either way. Expect a non announcement on a policy that will rapidly become an ambition in the Tory party manifesto (when Clegg tells him to piss off).

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:30 am

12% lead for 'no' in Clacks

"No" wins by 19,036 to 16,350. The total number of ballots was 35,410, a turnout of 88.6%.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:31 am

Clackmananshire votes No by 54 to 46

Was expected to be Yes

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:33 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:12% lead for 'no' in Clacks

"No" wins by 19,036 to 16,350. The total number of ballots was 35,410, a turnout of 88.6%.

Errrr 8% ?

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:36 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Eric_WLothian wrote:12% lead for 'no' in Clacks

"No" wins by 19,036 to 16,350. The total number of ballots was 35,410, a turnout of 88.6%.
Errrr 8% ?

BBC bias

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:40 am

Craig Fowler:
Multiple sources are reporting that the Dundee count has been interrupted by a fire alarm which caused everyone to evacuate the building

What happens if the papers go up in smoke?

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:46 am

Good grief, Robinson desperate to play down GB's contribution. Very amusing to see both Yes and No women looking very unimpressed at Little Nicky's efforts.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:47 am

Douglas Fraser
Business and economy editor, Scotland
Posted at 01:43

So it's a special congratulations to the 7 people in Clackmannanshire who voted both 'yes' and 'no'.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:56 am

Glasgow turnout 75%

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 1:59 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:
Douglas Fraser
Business and economy editor, Scotland
Posted at 01:43

So it's a special congratulations to the 7 people in Clackmannanshire who voted both 'yes' and 'no'.

One of the few reliable ways of spoiling a ballot paper. That or leave it blank.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:00 am

East Renfrewshire over 90% turnout and a "big win"for No.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:02 am

Orkney
Yes: 4,883
No: 10,004
Rejected: 20

Meanwhile, thunder rumbling around in leafy SW London and dashing rain...

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:06 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson: Aides to @AlexSalmond insist that he has not cancelled appearance at his count. They say he was not going in the first place
Seriously?? This is the Leader of the Yes campaign is it not?

Surely he could go to the count, thank the troops and declare victory by dint of having secured more powers for Scotland - plus he made Cameron look like a muppet.

What is he playing at - it isn't like he wanted to win.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:13 am

Can anybody here confirm if this is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:15 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: Seriously?? This is the Leader of the Yes campaign is it not?
Surely he could go to the count, thank the troops and declare victory by dint of having secured more powers for Scotland - plus he made Cameron look like a muppet.

What is he playing at - it isn't like he wanted to win.
The only thing that would make it look like a defeat for Salmond is if a larger than expected No vote was returned. I think even Salmond would struggle to spin securing more powers for Scotland in that up until yesterday he was dismissing what the Westminster parties had been offering in no uncertain terms. Then again, this is Salmond we're talking about.

Yes but if No wins 80/20 he can then laugh at Cameron for being tricked into giving away concessions by his piscine genius.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:16 am

Fog cited on Radio 4 for non appearance of Salmond.Both yes and no sources pointing at 60/40 split for No in East Lothian.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:17 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Can anybody here confirm if this is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband?

It is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband, TE. After all votes have been counted in two of the thirty-two areas voting in this Referendum I can confirm that there has not been one single vote either for Ed Miliband or, indeed, for the Labour Party.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:19 am

LadyCentauria wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:Can anybody here confirm if this is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband?
It is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband, TE. After all votes have been counted in two of the thirty-two areas voting in this Referendum I can confirm that there has not been one single vote either for Ed Miliband or, indeed, for the Labour Party.

Aha, I had assumed as much.

Good to know in these uncertain times some things are constant. In Ed's house it is always Bad News o'clock.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:23 am

91% turnout in East Dunbartonshire.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:26 am

What is this obsession with who wins a count - the concept of narrowly missing out? It isn't an electoral college all the votes get summed.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:27 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:Can anybody here confirm if this is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband?
It is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband, TE. After all votes have been counted in two of the thirty-two areas voting in this Referendum I can confirm that there has not been one single vote either for Ed Miliband or, indeed, for the Labour Party.
Aha, I had assumed as much.

Good to know in these uncertain times some things are constant. In Ed's house it is always Bad News o'clock.

Meanwhile, it is rumoured that David Cameron received at least one vote by virtue of someone writing-in a vote for him. At least, it looks like a drawing of him. In a kilt. With a fish, pointing.

And we have to leave this item for the voting from Eilean Siar

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:31 am

Right - good luck to the hardened souls staying with it. I am done.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:32 am

LadyCentauria wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote: It is indeed bad news for Ed Miliband, TE. After all votes have been counted in two of the thirty-two areas voting in this Referendum I can confirm that there has not been one single vote either for Ed Miliband or, indeed, for the Labour Party.
Aha, I had assumed as much.

Good to know in these uncertain times some things are constant. In Ed's house it is always Bad News o'clock.
Meanwhile, it is rumoured that David Cameron received at least one vote by virtue of someone writing-in a vote for him. At least, it looks like a drawing of him. In a kilt. With a fish, pointing.

And we have to leave this item for the voting from Eilean Siar... later

Or rather, if there was not already such a rumour there is now Goodnight, TE

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:34 am

Expected "comfortable win" in Dundee will be bad news for EM - (Guardian) if that helps

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:36 am

Night TE

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:43 am

Shetland
Yes: 5,669
No: 9,951

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:49 am

RobertSnozers wrote:Yesser narrative on Twitter seems to be that any Yes majorities in Labour areas will be bad for Labour. Why? It's not as though they're all suddenly rabid SNP supporters. This is a very one-off issue.

Oblique attack on the party because Gordon Brown pulled so much back in the last few days?

Many pundits mistaking the propensity to support SNP as,equivalent to supporting independence,not such a simplistic equivalence,Aberdeenshire for example historically has never been particularly pro independence despite regularly returning SNP MP/MSP's.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 2:49 am

LadyCentauria wrote:Shetland
Yes: 5,669
No: 9,951

Thanks M'Lady

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 3:00 am

Also the assumption that a high turnout favoured the Yes campaign may very well have been proven misplaced.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 3:03 am

Eilean Siar (Western Isles) 19, 758
Yes: 9.195
No: 10,544

This surprises me, I would have thought higher for Yes...