AnatolyKasparov wrote:A recent statement by the older Miliband on Twitter was - and I quote verbatim - "Labour needs new ideas, not old ones".
That was - quite literally - it.
But it was treated by many in the "bubble" as some amazingly profound and meaningful insight
Thank you.pk1 wrote:FOAD, this is the 'exchange' (read from bottom up):
I've filed the thoughts of David Miliband in the same arid, tumbleweed-addled cabinet as I keep a slender volume entitled "The Wit and Wisdom of Peter Mandelson." (It's a great read, that: every page just repeats the words: "this page was intentionally left blank.")Jon Stone @joncstone 14m14 minutes ago
At this rate everyone voting for Liz Kendall will have written an article about it
And a rise in the minimum wage. Certainly not tax credit cuts, because Osborne didn't include them. Because Osborne isn't running a country, he's laying traps for Labour. Getting the far left to attack the centre-left, whilst the right gets away with blue murder, when no one's looking. If I ever thought it was accidental, the way the press started into Labour from the moment the Tories won the election and haven't stopped talking about them since, it is clear it is a well thought through strategy dreamed up between David Cameron and his corporate sponsors to keep the focus on "useless" Labour and ensuring no one notices the serial Tory government cock-ups and rip-offs.HindleA wrote:Using the logic of accusers of all but a few Labour MP's of "not voting against the( Removal of) Welfare and Work (even if you are not expected to )Bill" Corbyn voted against apprenticeships,the cur.
HindleA wrote:Using the logic of accusers of all but a few Labour MP's of "not voting against the( Removal of) Welfare and Work (even if you are not expected to )Bill" Corbyn voted against apprenticeships,the cur.
I'm sticking to my former analysis that "technically" the norm of no party of government increasing their vote share remains intact. The current Tory government received less votes and gained fewer MPs than the former Coalition government. The chances of the Tories being able to gain a majority next time seem very slim, to me. Whether Labour recover or not, I still see the "not Tories" gaining a majority of MPs next time. There is nothing that suggests to me the country is becoming more conservative. We need a Labour leader that can build alliances with other left-wing parties. Liz Kendall is not that person. As others have said, the more I hear David Miliband, the more I feel Labour really did pick the "right" brother, after all.Miliband appears to share Kendall’s view that the Labour Party could face a potentially existential threat in the near future, suggesting the UK could turn into a one-party state
“Given the collapse of the Lib Dems, the stakes now are very high indeed, not just for Labour but for the country. Get it wrong, and Britain could become a multiparty democracy with only one party – the Conservative party – that can win parliamentary majorities. A one-governing-party state.”
I liked the bit about Corby-nomics [sic]. They do things a bit differently in Northamptonshire.RobertSnozers wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Van_ ... onomist%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SpinningHugo wrote:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... nostalgia/
Got any non-Blairite sources?John Van Reenen (economist)
In 2000–2001 he was a senior advisor to the Secretary of State for Health Alan Milburn
Here's the (notoriously Marxist) FT's Alphaville on "People's QE" - (registration to read this column is free, if required):RobertSnozers wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Van_ ... onomist%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SpinningHugo wrote:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... nostalgia/
Got any non-Blairite sources?John Van Reenen (economist)
In 2000–2001 he was a senior advisor to the Secretary of State for Health Alan Milburn
It covers the critics, the advocates, the pedigree and some specifics. It's worth a look for a clear grounding, in my opinion.We don’t understand the negativity. Some of the specific arguments justifying the proposal may be flawed, but the core idea is sound and possesses an impressive intellectual pedigree. In fact, it could help solve one of the most troublesome questions in central banking: how policymakers can accomplish their objectives using the tools at their disposal, without producing too many unpleasant side effects.
That's a good article, thanks. Good defence of the Labour economic record.SpinningHugo wrote:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... nostalgia/
Someone who once advised the Labour Government is a "Blairite"?RobertSnozers wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Van_ ... onomist%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SpinningHugo wrote:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... nostalgia/
Got any non-Blairite sources?John Van Reenen (economist)
In 2000–2001 he was a senior advisor to the Secretary of State for Health Alan Milburn
T-shirts, innit?DonutHingeParty wrote:Y'know, it somewhat sticks in my craw that the Guardian comes out for Yvette Cooper whilst hawking shirts saying things like: "Labour: I prefer their earlier work," and quoting Attlee and Bevan. You can't have your cake and eat it, Guaardvarks.
I assume you meant FAOD?pk1 wrote:FOAD, this is the 'exchange' (read from bottom up):
Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman 10m10 minutes ago
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rebeccariots2 wrote:Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman 10m10 minutes ago
Government departments preparing their staff for spending review job losses, Coffee House has learned http://specc.ie/1IWKwmG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is not clear, though, whether those ministers sympathetic to closures are in favour of their own departments shutting down, or whether they’d rather a Cabinet colleague took the bullet instead.
No, he puts in arguments about productivity and progress on inequality. The Morris Marina is colour, pointing up a historical parallel.RobertSnozers wrote: An advisor to arch-Blairite Milburn during the phase the NHS Plan was developed? Yes, I'd describe that as Blairite. He was also a policy advisor on 'enterprise and tax' to No10 in 1999-2000.
The article is ludicrous, anyway. Invoking the Morris Marina? Is this the best they can do?
If jobs could be easily lost then they could have found them over the past five years...no, these ones will have an impact somehwere.Stagger Lee wrote:Every civil servant knew this was coming and would still be happening, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, if Labour had won the election.
I am sure there are a lot of jobs that could be easily lost, as there are in every big organisation, but once people baying for the blood of civil servants realise quite how dramatically this will impact on the services they expect to receive they will be very unhappy indeed.
Of course any deterioration in service will be a) blamed on the unions and b) an excuse even more sell offs to the wonderfully efficient and cheap private sector.
The article cites DECC as probably being in line for closure or merger within another department. That's going to suit this government down to the ground ... they'll be centrally approving those energy plans they want to ensure happen - fracking - and conveniently getting rid of any residual 'green crap'.Stagger Lee wrote:Every civil servant knew this was coming and would still be happening, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, if Labour had won the election.
I am sure there are a lot of jobs that could be easily lost, as there are in every big organisation, but once people baying for the blood of civil servants realise quite how dramatically this will impact on the services they expect to receive they will be very unhappy indeed.
Of course any deterioration in service will be a) blamed on the unions and b) an excuse even more sell offs to the wonderfully efficient and cheap private sector.
Merger with Environment would make some sense, with the Local Gov stuff in Environment put in with the Regions/Devolved authorities department as Roger suggests.rebeccariots2 wrote:The article cites DECC as probably being in line for closure or merger within another department. That's going to suit this government down to the ground ... they'll be centrally approving those energy plans they want to ensure happen - fracking - and conveniently getting rid of any residual 'green crap'.Stagger Lee wrote:Every civil servant knew this was coming and would still be happening, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, if Labour had won the election.
I am sure there are a lot of jobs that could be easily lost, as there are in every big organisation, but once people baying for the blood of civil servants realise quite how dramatically this will impact on the services they expect to receive they will be very unhappy indeed.
Of course any deterioration in service will be a) blamed on the unions and b) an excuse even more sell offs to the wonderfully efficient and cheap private sector.
They do our IT. I refer to them as 'don'tgiveatos'.RobertSnozers wrote:Yes, there will be a lot of that. There already has been in the NHS. I got rehired several times on a freelance basis. The extent to which the non-frontline bits of the service got hollowed out by 2012-3 was frightening, and it had to be kept going with freelancers/consultants and subcontracting. For example, all IT support for NHS England got farmed out to Atos.RogerOThornhill wrote:If jobs could be easily lost then they could have found them over the past five years...no, these ones will have an impact somehwere.Stagger Lee wrote:Every civil servant knew this was coming and would still be happening, albeit to a slightly lesser extent, if Labour had won the election.
I am sure there are a lot of jobs that could be easily lost, as there are in every big organisation, but once people baying for the blood of civil servants realise quite how dramatically this will impact on the services they expect to receive they will be very unhappy indeed.
Of course any deterioration in service will be a) blamed on the unions and b) an excuse even more sell offs to the wonderfully efficient and cheap private sector.
What will happen is that there'll be a cockup at some point - some policy which goes wrong because someone didn't check something...and then they'll discover that the person who did that lost their job in the cull. The they'll quietly rehire them on a consultancy basis which won't add to the departmental numbers.
The poor weren't "bunged some cash now and then". A substantial system of in work social security was created, which provided a boost to poor incomes. Even the Tories are wary of rolling it back too far. Even Byrne opposed cuts to working tax credits.RobertSnozers wrote: No, the first few hundred words are fluff about the dreadful 70s and how unrealistic the socialists were before they were crushed by the boot of history. He might as well have posted a picture of a Trabant and captioned it THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU ELECT CORBYN!
The rest credits the late-90s/early 2000s boom entirely to the Blair government and repeats the Blairite argument that no-one cares how you run the country as long as you bung the poor some cash now and again. I don't know how much more Blairite it could be.
We?Corbyn even suggests it was wrong to allow countries such as Poland, as a former member of the Warsaw Pact in the Soviet orbit, to join Nato. Asked whether it was a mistake to admit former Warsaw Pact countries, he says: “I think it probably was, actually. We should have gone down the road Ukraine went down in 1990, which was an informal agreement with Russia that Ukraine would be a non-nuclear state [and] would be non-aligned in its foreign policy. The interesting thing is why Russia didn’t turn all that into a treaty, why they just accepted it as an informal agreement with Nato, the EU and the US.”
As we speak the Guardvarks are hunting down Wintour for that contradiction. Problem is they keep getting distracted by termites.DonutHingeParty wrote:Y'know, it somewhat sticks in my craw that the Guardian comes out for Yvette Cooper whilst hawking shirts saying things like: "Labour: I prefer their earlier work," and quoting Attlee and Bevan. You can't have your cake and eat it, Guaardvarks.
Well the Ukrainian decision to cut a deal with Russia and give up Nukes worked well for them didn't it.Tubby Isaacs wrote:We mentioned this the other day, but it's worth repeating.
We?Corbyn even suggests it was wrong to allow countries such as Poland, as a former member of the Warsaw Pact in the Soviet orbit, to join Nato. Asked whether it was a mistake to admit former Warsaw Pact countries, he says: “I think it probably was, actually. We should have gone down the road Ukraine went down in 1990, which was an informal agreement with Russia that Ukraine would be a non-nuclear state [and] would be non-aligned in its foreign policy. The interesting thing is why Russia didn’t turn all that into a treaty, why they just accepted it as an informal agreement with Nato, the EU and the US.”
What's it got to do with us?
Who's he to tell Poland it has to sit there as a buffer zone so as Russia doesn't feel offended?
Learned? This has been around for ages.rebeccariots2 wrote:Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman 10m10 minutes ago
Government departments preparing their staff for spending review job losses, Coffee House has learned http://specc.ie/1IWKwmG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
StephenDolan wrote:In the studio? Burnham is in Liverpool at 7pm.yahyah wrote:I've got it down in my diary that the candidates will be on Channel 4 News tonight, just trying to check if that is true.
Which is broadly what as happened with Russia keeping satellite states broadly under its influence, until Ukraine.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Yep.
And funnily enough, the ex-Warsaw Pact countries thought "Yes please. Worst thing that'll happen is a new Iron Curtain goes up, except with us on the right side of it this time."
Mail on Sunday scoop set to end Corbyn campaign.
Newspaper reveals Labour front runner once ate a tin of beans.
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ohsocynical wrote:Mail on Sunday scoop set to end Corbyn campaign.
Newspaper reveals Labour front runner once ate a tin of beans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
a PHOTOCOPIER?ohsocynical wrote:Mail on Sunday scoop set to end Corbyn campaign.
Newspaper reveals Labour front runner once ate a tin of beans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
tinyclanger2 wrote:a PHOTOCOPIER?ohsocynical wrote:Mail on Sunday scoop set to end Corbyn campaign.
Newspaper reveals Labour front runner once ate a tin of beans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
well that's that then.
I feel truly betrayed. Surely he used a Roneo machine? (I think it was also known as a Banda - anyway, it stank to high heaven.) I'm definitely voting for Liz Kendall now.tinyclanger2 wrote:a PHOTOCOPIER?ohsocynical wrote:Mail on Sunday scoop set to end Corbyn campaign.
Newspaper reveals Labour front runner once ate a tin of beans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
well that's that then.
PorFavor wrote:I feel truly betrayed. Surely he used a Roneo machine? (I think it was also known as a Banda - anyway, it stank to high heaven). I'm definitely voting for Liz Kendall now.tinyclanger2 wrote:a PHOTOCOPIER?ohsocynical wrote:
well that's that then.
