Wednesday 19th August 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:18 pm

Best wishes to Ohso and Mr Ohso - and Ephemerid and Show.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:19 pm

Osborne did a PR photo-stunt at Norton bikes recently.

This is from the latest edition of Motor Cycle News:

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:24 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
All - Show's going in later today; as his lift won't be able to hang around while I get him settled in, and I can't cope with (or afford) the 3 buses and 4 hours it'll take me to get home (assuming I get to Hereford in time for the last bus), I'm staying here. I think he's secretly relieved that I won't be faffing about making too much fuss and/or bursting into tears or asking too many questions of the nurses....I won't be able to visit, either, until my daughter comes at the weekend. I'll find out tonight if the op's going ahead tomorrow.

So I'm here to annoy you all!
I hope all goes well.

(And the hospital's loss, in terms of your presence, is our gain.)

I'm sort of in the same position. Our son is taking Mr Ohso in on Monday, but he and his wife are going to go shopping in Reading once they've settled Mr Ohso in. The last thing I want to do is hit the shops, so I'll be at home too.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:25 pm

Today's phone in with Jeremy Corbyn on WATO may actually decide me to vote for him ... how many times does he have to say he's not a holocaust denier, not anti semitic? It feels like a kind of hysteria.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:37 pm

Report on BBC Wales news reminding us about the probable rise of UKIP next in the Assembly elections next May.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:37 pm

yahyah wrote:Osborne did a PR photo-stunt at Norton bikes recently.

This is from the latest edition of Motor Cycle News:

I recall our in-house magazine publishing a pic of our then CEO sitting at a PC using a mouse. Trouble is that said mouse was about an inch from the desk surface... It caused much hilarity.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:41 pm

Off topic - but some good news, which surely we all need, and it is in my area.

Researchers see Cardigan Bay dolphin 'baby boom'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-33913242" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:56 pm

Post by **refitman** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 1:59 pm

Satire alert.

Commie bastard Jeremy Corbyn is freedom-hating pinko KGB terrorist, confirm opponents

Communist firebrand, Jeremy Corbyn, would force your children into Soviet-style collective farming if elected, according to his opponents for the Labour leadership.

The poorly-dressed Socialist has also vowed to wipe out Israel, aided by the technical know-how of brothers-in-arms Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. Not to mention Hamas.

Leadership challenger, Yvette Cooper, said, “Jeremy Corbyn would force your averagely-bright child to sit with the thickest, while having lessons in double gayness shoved down his throat by a bearded woman in dungarees.”

“What a bastard!”

Unrealistic challenger, Liz Kendall, opined, “Three-day week. Coal miners. Greenham Common. Duffel coats. Cold winters. The right to strike. Investment in the NHS. Social justice. Is this the kind of Britain you want?”

And Andy Burnham had these wise words. “Irresponsible sex. Three-mile Island. Comprehensive schools. Warsaw Pact. Errol Brown. Abba. Power cuts. Muddy football pitches. John Motson in a blizzard. Feeding the ducks with your Granddad before it all went to shit. Terry and June. Rising Damp. Ohhh Miss Jones. Can we really afford that?”

Burnham added, “You saw what happened to the Blue Peter garden?”

Last night freedom-upholding, former PM, Tony Blair, warned, “Corbyn would allow the likes of the Middle East to flourish by failing to kill millions of innocent Iraqi civilians with laser-guided bombs that could split the Labour Party.”

http://newsthump.com/2015/07/24/commie- ... opponents/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And

Jeremy Corbyn launches scathing attack on Jeremy Corbyn

Jeremy Corbyn has joined the long list of prominent Labour politicians attacking the leadership credentials of Jeremy Corbyn.

“Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t understand big business” said Jeremy Corbyn. “He has no clue how the likes of Amazon, Google, Starbucks can make super profits but pay no tax. He doesn’t get why zero hours contracts and the stripping away people’s self worth are necessary to make the economy function.”

“Corbyn’s financial illiteracy is so great he has the quaint notion banks should prudently serve their customers rather than gamble everything on sub-prime Brazilian coffee derivatives. He naively thinks the government could run trains better than Richard Branson, with less annoying hair. He would squander precious energy resources on keeping pensioners warm.”

“Jeremy just doesn’t make an effort with the media. He’s never attended one of Rupert Murdoch’s parties, much less had a sleepover with Wendi. He misses valuable photo opportunities because he’s wasting time speaking in Town Halls. Jeremy Corbyn can’t even get good press in the Guardian” said Corbyn.

Corbyn concluded by saying he ‘would not serve’ under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn.

“The man couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery, hell, Jeremy Corbyn probably couldn’t even organise an oil war in the Middle East” said Jeremy Corbyn.

http://eveningharold.com/2015/08/18/jer ... my-corbyn/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:00 pm

Edit.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:01 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:Morfters all

"Playing politics: Tories have botched the Northern Powerhouse scheme." So reads the title of the Independent's editiorial, which goes on to point out three of the failures, so far: 1) postponement of electrification on the Manchester/Leeds line, 2) the "Ordsall Chord" (cross-Manchester link) not going ahead next month due to a legal challenge, and 3) oh dear, look, Atos (for it is them!) is incapable of fulfilling its contract to provide Manchester's "Oystercard-style" ticketing system so the contract has been terminated...
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... 61197.html

I wonder will there come a point (possibly after promised budgets for other parts of the 'Powerhouse'/Greater Manchester Authority plan get 'regretfully' cut by the Chancellor) that the Councils' leaders (and unelected Mayor) get back together, decide that it's not not really worth the biscuits, and say forget it George?

To be fair to Osborne, the Ordsall Chord seems to have been something of a surprise when its funding was organized. It's a very good project, will allow lots more trains- looks like they've been unlucky here with a late legal challenge.

You can sort of see some interest in "the North" (or perhaps, more precisly, Manchester) but it's undone generally by his stupidly tight spending plans.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:03 pm

Just as a comparison, London has had Oystercard for 12 years. And you've been able to use contactless bank cards for over 2 years.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:10 pm

Just had an email from the Yorkshire Building Society to say that from 1st Jan 2016 the Financial Services Compensation Scheme limit will be reduced from £85,000 to £75,000.
How did that slip under the radar? Is there another bank failure on the cards?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:15 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:Just had an email from the Yorkshire Building Society to say that from 1st Jan 2016 the Financial Services Compensation Scheme limit will be reduced from £85,000 to £75,000.
How did that slip under the radar? Is there another bank failure on the cards?

The EU, apparently.

A European directive (the recast Deposit Guarantee Schemes Directive) sets a €100,000 deposit protection limit for depositor guarantee schemes across the EEA, including the UK. The existing limit was set in 2010 because that was equivalent to €100,000 at the time. However, it is now necessary for those Member States that convert the limit into their national currency to review the existing coverage level, using exchange rates prevailing on 3 July. The PRA has therefore reviewed the existing limit and reduced it.

http://www.fscs.org.uk/what-we-cover/qu ... #question0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:18 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Benefit sanctions ruin lives. No wonder the DWP turned to fiction
Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

Official response

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -sanctions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:20 pm

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/14265 ... -questions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 2:25 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
SNP is destroying our education system
http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/le ... -1-3862160" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That letter looks a bit caricatural.

Physics teachers obliged to teach literacy, history teachers obliged to teach numeracy and all secondary teachers obliged to teach health and well-being.

What is that exactly? Good question. Cross-curricular projects which consume teaching time and oblige teachers to “move out of their comfort zones”.

Doubtless this can be done badly, but cross curricular sounds a very good idea to me. For instance, you could the history teacher could provide the maths teacher with stuff they from the period they're studying to do statistical analysis on. That wouldn't be the "Maths teacher teaching History".

The 34% pass mark she refers to is from a muck up in a paper that everyone agrees was too hard. I reckon I scored about 15% on a paper in my PGDip, but everyone was same and we all passed. Things like that happen occasionally.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 3:15 pm

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ice-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:01 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw

Benefit sanctions ruin lives. No wonder the DWP turned to fiction
Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett

Official response

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -sanctions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll nip off and have a read of Rhiannon. Thanks A.

(How are things? Did you get some rest? I've been thinking about you and MrsA)

The official response is fabulous - and it reminds me of Ron Moody as Fagin singing "I am reviewing the situation". The little punchline at the end of each verse, for those who aren't familiar with it, is "I think I'd better think it out again".

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:08 pm

Good god.
The BTL comments are just dreadful from some people.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:14 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/14265 ... -questions

So he was asked the questions and gave his answers.
Which have been published elsewhere and which he has reiterated in person.

So now we know that the allegations made against him are allegations he vehemently denies; and in some of the cases can prove to have zero substance.

Good.

Time to move on, I think.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:16 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:Just had an email from the Yorkshire Building Society to say that from 1st Jan 2016 the Financial Services Compensation Scheme limit will be reduced from £85,000 to £75,000.
How did that slip under the radar? Is there another bank failure on the cards?

I did see that somewhere <scratches head> a while ago.
Do think though that it is £ per institution, so if you have lots of dosh stashed with different banks/building societies you are covered up to the limit at each.

There is something odd about the compensation anyway though - am sure that if the bank/savings provider fails you do not get any interest due, only the capital sum up to the £85,000, soon to be £75,000. My husband looked into it during those weeks in 2008 when the financial edifice seemed to be crumbling.
You know, 'when Gordon Brown wrecked the economy'

Edited to change emoticon - accidentally used the w***er one !

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:29 pm

Was listening to Radio 4 while at the sewing machine earlier.

Episode 3 of Michael Robinson's 'In The New Workplace' was a shocker, all about agency workers and umbrella companies set up to help tax avoidance and to reduce worker rights.
Many employees are left not knowing who they work for and on only 7 hours of work a week.

Marks & Spencer don't look very good, but seem to have all the spiel to cover their tracks.
Luckily the GMB union is onto them.

Maybe the more people are forced to live in this sort of way, exploited & insecure, the more people will realise why unions were necessary in the first place.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:32 pm

ephemerid wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/14265 ... -questions
So he was asked the questions and gave his answers.
Which have been published elsewhere and which he has reiterated in person.

So now we know that the allegations made against him are allegations he vehemently denies; and in some of the cases can prove to have zero substance.

Good.

Time to move on, I think.

Suggests he's pretty careless in the people he's associated with, no? Things like this can cause major diplomatic problems. I reckon Israel would be delighted to have PM Corbyn to isolate and weaken.

I'm not at all defending the Israel government. It's run by murderous racists. I want it weakened, and think Ed Miliband might have been able to do that. Corbyn can't.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 4:40 pm

So, a married SNP politician claims her email was used maliciously for the Ashley Madison site.

How, if that is true, would the maliciously minded person have known that the site would be hacked and she would be exposed in a public download ?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:38 pm

: Irranca Davies At Pembs Show.jpg (46.72 KiB) Viewed 5177 times

Excellent to see. They asked who should be invited to come to the county show at our last campaign meeting. I suggested Huw Irranca-Davies .... and there he is. (No one told me they'd followed it up though!)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:44 pm

Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The New Statesman has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and our Twitter mentions will be frenzied: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ice-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:45 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/14265 ... -questions
So he was asked the questions and gave his answers.
Which have been published elsewhere and which he has reiterated in person.

So now we know that the allegations made against him are allegations he vehemently denies; and in some of the cases can prove to have zero substance.

Good.

Time to move on, I think.
Suggests he's pretty careless in the people he's associated with, no? Things like this can cause major diplomatic problems. I reckon Israel would be delighted to have PM Corbyn to isolate and weaken.

I'm not at all defending the Israel government. It's run by murderous racists. I want it weakened, and think Ed Miliband might have been able to do that. Corbyn can't.

I don't think it suggests that at all, Tubby, with respect.

The particularly nasty people named are all people he has explained, quite clearly, that he either has not associated with, or is not associating with, or is not planning to associate with.
He's not speaking at an event he was said to be speaking at; he disassociated himself from an organisation as soon as he was aware of the antics of a person who expressed odious views.
He has explained why he used certain language with certain groups - in the same way he did with the Irish - as within a diplomatic context and I'm not sure that's unreasonable.

If he is Labour Party leader, he will not be doing this stuff anyway - and he did a lot of his talking to various groups and trying to get people together long before he thought he'd be where he is now.
I'm not sure there is actually much wrong with someone who was a backbench politician, known for his peacenik schtick, trying to talk to people.
Yes, he's in a different place now, and could be more so later, but I'm still not convinced this could cause major diplomatic problems.

Perhaps it would help if the meeja weren't so quick to blame and so very very quick to give the likes of the execrable Mensch so much publicity. I gather Corbyn tried to answer these questions several times before on Channel 4 news, but been shouted down by the presenters (something they do a lot with other people these days); the Jewish Chronicle has been dogged in its' pursuit of the answers, and I hope it will be satisfied now it has them.

I thought there was a hint (sometimes more than a hint) of anti-semitism in the MSMs portrayal of Miliband on occasion, and I found it repugnant. I'm as appalled by anti-semitism as anyone, and I don't think Corbyn is guilty of it - which is what the article Hugo linked to was about, in essence.

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:46 pm

Isn't he supporting Cooper ? Will that influence you Rebecca ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:47 pm

Radio 4 running guilt by association headlines.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 5:59 pm

I voted for Jeremy Corbyn today - and here's why
I was expecting to abstain, but in the end, I voted Jeremy Corbyn, says Neal Lawson.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -heres-why" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The question is one of political strategy and ambition. Should we largely stick to current orthodoxies, hope to fall over the line first at the next election and make a now rampant global capitalism slightly more humane, i.e. continue the New Labour project plus or minus a bit? Or do we need to radically reframe the debate in the search for a good society? Do we stick or twist?

Both options represent a huge gamble. But this is why I shifted. The Corbyn Wave is a window into what is possible. Its energy is breaking up the permafrosted soil that for 30 years has been too harsh for our dreams to grow in. Labour as a party and a movement cannot survive electorally or politically unless it holds out the hope of radically changing society. On this point time has caught up with New Labour. If the best it gets is to slow the pace at which the poor get poorer and the planet burns then its not enough to sustain us. A party needs high ideals and deep organic roots in society if it is to transform that society. This cannot be done from the top down, only when a party meets a ground swell from below.

and

And here we have to stop the wars, feuds and the vitriol. Labour must stop living each day like a rerun of the past. Whoever wins we can’t replay either 1945 nor 1997. The world has moved on – so must the party. And to get on with the country we have to first get on with each other.

This means entering the world of, as ‘reciprocal vulnerability’ (h/t Robert Phillips at Jericho Chambers) in which we recognise our weaknesses and those of others and build trust through our mutual interdependence. No one in Labour has all the answers. Right, center and left will have to negotiate a new settlement or the Tories win.

I watch in disappointment and some bewilderment as camps on either side call each other either Trot or Tory and then complain if they get back what they give. This cycle has to be broken. Socialism has to be about believing the best in each other and having empathy. If you want to be a rebel then be kind! So whoever wins, their leadership will have to be incredibly open, generous and humble.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:02 pm

yahyah wrote:Isn't he supporting Cooper ? Will that influence you Rebecca ?

No. Much as I respect him, it won't. She burnt her bridges with me with her stance re working with Corbyn and also the seemingly constant spats and taking offence with the other candidates. It comes across as too narrow and petty to me.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:05 pm

ephemerid wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ephemerid wrote: So he was asked the questions and gave his answers.
Which have been published elsewhere and which he has reiterated in person.

So now we know that the allegations made against him are allegations he vehemently denies; and in some of the cases can prove to have zero substance.

Good.

Time to move on, I think.
Suggests he's pretty careless in the people he's associated with, no? Things like this can cause major diplomatic problems. I reckon Israel would be delighted to have PM Corbyn to isolate and weaken.

I'm not at all defending the Israel government. It's run by murderous racists. I want it weakened, and think Ed Miliband might have been able to do that. Corbyn can't.

I don't think it suggests that at all, Tubby, with respect.

The particularly nasty people named are all people he has explained, quite clearly, that he either has not associated with, or is not associating with, or is not planning to associate with.
He's not speaking at an event he was said to be speaking at; he disassociated himself from an organisation as soon as he was aware of the antics of a person who expressed odious views.
He has explained why he used certain language with certain groups - in the same way he did with the Irish - as within a diplomatic context and I'm not sure that's unreasonable.

If he is Labour Party leader, he will not be doing this stuff anyway - and he did a lot of his talking to various groups and trying to get people together long before he thought he'd be where he is now.
I'm not sure there is actually much wrong with someone who was a backbench politician, known for his peacenik schtick, trying to talk to people.
Yes, he's in a different place now, and could be more so later, but I'm still not convinced this could cause major diplomatic problems.

Perhaps it would help if the meeja weren't so quick to blame and so very very quick to give the likes of the execrable Mensch so much publicity. I gather Corbyn tried to answer these questions several times before on Channel 4 news, but been shouted down by the presenters (something they do a lot with other people these days); the Jewish Chronicle has been dogged in its' pursuit of the answers, and I hope it will be satisfied now it has them.

I thought there was a hint (sometimes more than a hint) of anti-semitism in the MSMs portrayal of Miliband on occasion, and I found it repugnant. I'm as appalled by anti-semitism as anyone, and I don't think Corbyn is guilty of it - which is what the article Hugo linked to was about, in essence.

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I'm with you on the Jewish Chronicle (and even some in Labour) arguing in bad faith. And I don't think he is an anti-Semite either.

What I don't understand is what the point of his "talks" actually was. Same with his talks with Sinn Fein before. He's got no direct stake in the situations- unlike John Hume whose dialogue with Gerry Adams was important for that reason.

As you say, he's a backbench MP. It's just a publicity stunt for all involved. And it pisses people off who do have a desire for peace that's as genuine as his.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:06 pm

Radio 4 political correspondent said that the GMB called for a £15 signing up fee but the past Labour leadership insisted on £3.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:09 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Suggests he's pretty careless in the people he's associated with, no? Things like this can cause major diplomatic problems. I reckon Israel would be delighted to have PM Corbyn to isolate and weaken.

I'm not at all defending the Israel government. It's run by murderous racists. I want it weakened, and think Ed Miliband might have been able to do that. Corbyn can't.

I don't think it suggests that at all, Tubby, with respect.

The particularly nasty people named are all people he has explained, quite clearly, that he either has not associated with, or is not associating with, or is not planning to associate with.
He's not speaking at an event he was said to be speaking at; he disassociated himself from an organisation as soon as he was aware of the antics of a person who expressed odious views.
He has explained why he used certain language with certain groups - in the same way he did with the Irish - as within a diplomatic context and I'm not sure that's unreasonable.

If he is Labour Party leader, he will not be doing this stuff anyway - and he did a lot of his talking to various groups and trying to get people together long before he thought he'd be where he is now.
I'm not sure there is actually much wrong with someone who was a backbench politician, known for his peacenik schtick, trying to talk to people.
Yes, he's in a different place now, and could be more so later, but I'm still not convinced this could cause major diplomatic problems.

Perhaps it would help if the meeja weren't so quick to blame and so very very quick to give the likes of the execrable Mensch so much publicity. I gather Corbyn tried to answer these questions several times before on Channel 4 news, but been shouted down by the presenters (something they do a lot with other people these days); the Jewish Chronicle has been dogged in its' pursuit of the answers, and I hope it will be satisfied now it has them.

I thought there was a hint (sometimes more than a hint) of anti-semitism in the MSMs portrayal of Miliband on occasion, and I found it repugnant. I'm as appalled by anti-semitism as anyone, and I don't think Corbyn is guilty of it - which is what the article Hugo linked to was about, in essence.

Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I'm with you on the Jewish Chronicle (and even some in Labour) arguing in bad faith. And I don't think he is an anti-Semite either.

What I don't understand is what the point of his "talks" actually was. Same with his talks with Sinn Fein before. He's got no direct stake in the situations- unlike John Hume whose dialogue with Gerry Adams was important for that reason.

As you say, he's a backbench MP. It's just a publicity stunt for all involved. And it pisses people off who do have a desire for peace that's as genuine as his.

Maybe he had a desire to hear from them himself, to get to grips with their arguments first hand ?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:10 pm

: Labour Vote Share Map 2015.jpg (45.07 KiB) Viewed 5146 times

Jim Pickard retweeted
David Ottewell ‏@davidottewell 5h5 hours ago
Overall map of Labour's performance in 2015. Red = vote share up, Grey = vote share down. Scotland!

Wales!

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:11 pm

The Jewish chronicle replies were good, which is why I posted them But we are kidding ourselves if we think that is the end of it. Go on twitter and follow Jeremy Duns (who is remorseless at digging). It is going to go on and on.

Corbyn never expected to be in this position. Radical backbench MP's can be more careless about who they associate with than leaders of mainstream political parties.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:27 pm

DWP's fake benefit claimants were also used to promote other Government schemes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 62026.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds as though the DWP website is becoming full of holes (make any puns you like with that one).

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:31 pm

yahyah wrote:
Maybe he had a desire to hear from them himself, to get to grips with their arguments first hand ?

And then what? It's not hard to find out what people think.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:36 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:The Jewish chronicle replies were good, which is why I posted them But we are kidding ourselves if we think that is the end of it. Go on twitter and follow Jeremy Duns (who is remorseless at digging). It is going to go on and on.

Corbyn never expected to be in this position. Radical backbench MP's can be more careless about who they associate with than leaders of mainstream political parties.

Yep.

And same with policy positions. The Chancellor raising his "QE" thing could have investors worried about the independence of the Bank and wanting a premium on lending to the Government.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:36 pm

Understand more about them ?

The Dalai Lama calls for dialogue with people, is he a terrorist supporter ?
He thinks we should candidly share ideas.
He's even tried to negotiate with the Chinese even though they have been responsible for the cruel deaths of thousands of Tibetans.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:39 pm

Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 42m42 minutes ago
This Tory councillor says a friend registered him for Labour vote as 'a prank'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... ur-6281584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:39 pm

Our Queen has probably shaken hands with, and wined and dined at tax payer expense, more murderers and human rights violators than any back bench MP.

OK, I forgot George Galloway.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:42 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
DWP's fake benefit claimants were also used to promote other Government schemes
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 62026.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Sounds as though the DWP website is becoming full of holes (make any puns you like with that one).

Somewhere in the DWP there is a message being prepared for a SpAd which reads "everyone thinks you should go..." while the person who told him to do it will get away with it.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:42 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 42m42 minutes ago
This Tory councillor says a friend registered him for Labour vote as 'a prank'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... ur-6281584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Makes a change from 'someone used my email address on an adultery site'.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:49 pm

yahyah wrote:Our Queen has probably shaken hands with, and wined and dined at tax payer expense, more murderers and human rights violators than any back bench MP.

OK, I forgot George Galloway.

She's the head of state. A certain amount of that comes with the job.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:53 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:As already pointed out, there are only a few thousand genuine "Trots" in the whole country. And many of them have no interest in entryism, indeed are explicitly opposed to it.

If anything, it is the other end of things we have to worry about - though it shouldn't be that hard to track down Tories trying to subvert the process given their propensity to crow about it on social media. And if they had any sense (or concept of fair play, though I admit that is being a tad optimistic) CCO could simply declare such an activity incompatible with continued party membership - as is indeed the case already if you follow their existing rules strictly.

After all, other parties (Tories included) have an interest in primary type elections and ensuring they are not tainted.

I had the genuine "Trots" on one occasion.
Flagellates. That's all am saying.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:53 pm

yahyah wrote:Understand more about them ?

The Dalai Lama calls for dialogue with people, is he a terrorist supporter ?
He thinks we should candidly share ideas.
He's even tried to negotiate with the Chinese even though they have been responsible for the cruel deaths of thousands of Tibetans.

I never said anyone was a terrorist supporter.

I said Corbyn seems to have a fondness for political stunts. The trouble with political stunts is that people notice them, the worst people in the world by no means the least.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:54 pm

Evening all.
Well.I have had a very peaceful,politics free summer so far.No news,radio,whatever really.It's been lovely,and my house is less neglected.
The labour leadership issue cannot be ignored,,too many emails and letters,so I've been lurking back here.And I have just voted for Corbyn because I'm fed up with being told not to.
Blimey,so many anti Corbyn posts ,where are the pro,persuasive comments re the other candidates?
Sorry to hear about Mr Ohso and Show,hope it all goes well.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Wed 19 Aug, 2015 6:55 pm

yahyah wrote:
I did see that somewhere <scratches head> a while ago.
Do think though that it is £ per institution, so if you have lots of dosh stashed with different banks/building societies you are covered up to the limit at each.

There is something odd about the compensation anyway though - am sure that if the bank/savings provider fails you do not get any interest due, only the capital sum up to the £85,000, soon to be £75,000. My husband looked into it during those weeks in 2008 when the financial edifice seemed to be crumbling.
You know, 'when Gordon Brown wrecked the economy'

Edited to change emoticon - accidentally used the w***er one !

Yes - it's per institution but as the YBS pointed out, they also trade under the names Barnsley Building Society, Chelsea Building Society, Norwich & Peterborough Building Society and Egg, so the compensation only pays up to £75/85k for the cumulative savings across all those brands. (Double for joint accounts).