Friday 21st August 2015

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 12:55 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
yahyah wrote:But look at what he actually said. He called Isis 'brutal', he doesn't condone their actions.

& the remarks are from last year, a lot of the Isis violence-porn pics and reports the media have been publishing, seemingly more to titillate or provoke amygdala type responses than anything else, [just look at the Mail's coverage], has been more in the last six or nine months.
When he talks about a political accommodation with ISIS he has crossed the line. As others pointed out how much enslavement, rape and murder of women and non believers is acceptable in Corbyn's mind? He probably doesn't think of it like that, but that is the logical end of his argument.

Corbyn needs to understand that some things have to be fought, and some things require military force. You cannot negotiate with these people you need to destroy them (which oddly starts with cutting a peace deal with Iran rather than just futilely lobbing bombs in their general direction).

When you add CND, a plan to leave NATO and to slash defence industries it all looks a bit weak for a PM. That will be the Tory line.

We shall have to agree to disagree, TE, when it comes to nuclear armaments and in my book ISIS demonstrates the need for more conventional warfare... and that's coming from a self confessed pacificist, but like you there are some things that just have to be combated; ISIS being one such case. However this is an example where I believe you have to face the enemy, which from their perspective is probably a strategic boon. Simply bombing as Donut says will kill the very people we aim to protect, assuming of course that Western powers wish to protect the victims. I'm sorry to say it but believe this requires massive ground forces, backed up by fighter planes, obviously a coalition of nations and as not all nations would agree, one that is politically fraught with danger.

Postscript; I also agree we need to be in NATO.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 12:55 pm

There is something that has been puzzling me for a few days.

Electoral Reform Services (the commercial part of the Electoral Reform Society), is supposedly overseeing this leadership election.

Are they dealing with the validations, or supervising them, and if not why not?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 12:59 pm

Was this Grim's piece, or another from you Ephie ?

https://thegrimsqueakerreturns.wordpres ... continues/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 12:59 pm

ephemerid wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Is the link in your post working okay?
Is there a technical problem on my end?
There is zero problem your end, Citoyen.

I have posted the wrong thing, as per usual. D'oh.

http://www.thegrimsqueakerreturns.wordpress.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; TGS has returned. It's all in a word....

If that doesn't work (and knowing me it probably won't) just google thegrimsqueakerreturns

Got it!
Thank you

edited to add
Beautiful writing, Ephemerid, lovely.
Please give my love to Showmaster - I'm a bit weepy; I hope the cricket score pleased him.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:13 pm

yahyah wrote:Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 59m59 minutes ago
A lot of pro Corbyn supporters I talk to are not at all on the left of the party: someone needs to figure this out. Name calling wont' do it

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 46m46 minutes ago
Politicians are always talking about engaging the public more in politics. When that happens, they say 'Oh no. The press won't like this'

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 21m21 minutes ago
How much is Corbynmania actually a response to the other 3 candidates I wonder, rather than some huge ideological turmoil in Labour?

Good points from Jukes.

All common sense observations - it says it all about the MSM that with honourable exceptions (eg Steve Richards) they are too closeted in their poisonous bubble AND unreflectively dim to work it out for themselves. We genuinely have some of the worst political "journalism" of any democracy

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:26 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote:Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 59m59 minutes ago
A lot of pro Corbyn supporters I talk to are not at all on the left of the party: someone needs to figure this out. Name calling wont' do it

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 46m46 minutes ago
Politicians are always talking about engaging the public more in politics. When that happens, they say 'Oh no. The press won't like this'

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 21m21 minutes ago
How much is Corbynmania actually a response to the other 3 candidates I wonder, rather than some huge ideological turmoil in Labour?

Good points from Jukes.
All common sense observations - it says it all about the MSM that with honourable exceptions (eg Steve Richards) they are too closeted in their poisonous bubble AND unreflectively dim to work it out for themselves. We genuinely have some of the worst political "journalism" of any democracy

I agree with you.
It's a profound problem.
Disingenuous reporting from the media misleads people leaving us without accurate information.
How are people supposed to make quality decisions without accurate information?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:31 pm

The overwhelming majority are on the left of the party. See flythenest itself.

One factor is the Iraq war departures. This initially pushed the balance of membership right. Under Miliband they drifted back again, and now we have had a rush of people.

The three mainstream candidates are flawed. Cooper is wooden. Kendall is callow. Burnham flip flops and his attempt to run as an outsider lacks all credibility.

They are all no doubt poor, but that doesn't make Corbyn better.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:35 pm

What do you think people should have done then Hugo ?
Abstained ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:45 pm

Interesting views from a psychiatrist: I've cherry picked so you will need to read the whole thing to get the full gist.

''As a psychiatrist, I find the emotional reactions of the Anyone But Corbyn camp interesting.....

Those who back Corbyn are being labelled by other Labour party members as more emotionally volatile and less predictable, grounded by the elder statesmen on the leadership side of the divide who see backing Anyone But Corbyn as a sign of maturity and calm....

....This is why I am concerned when we hear from certain politicians and commentators that those backing Corbyn are the ones who are going through some kind of meltdown, while the rest have somehow risen above emotional reactions. Ironically, their immediate reactions to Corbyn’s rise are perhaps the most emotional of all. The assessment by the Anyone But Corbyn camp is as subject to assumptions and wish fulfilment as anyone else’s.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as- ... 65279.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting that some polls showed Corbyn ahead amongst women, we of course are often criticised for our emotional approach to things, as if that is, of course, A Very Bad Thing.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:45 pm

If anyone missed it earlier -

Owen Jones vs James Bloodworth on Labour leadership voter purge

[youtube]n2NnkN5Ng2g[/youtube]

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:47 pm

yahyah wrote:Was this Grim's piece, or another from you Ephie ?

https://thegrimsqueakerreturns.wordpres ... continues/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, it's not mine.

I commented BTL to ask if it was Grim - I think it must be, though I don't know if anyone else can post a new blog.

If I find out, I'll tell you!

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 1:54 pm

yahyah wrote:Toby....that is just weird...yikes !

If you think that's weird, you should see the one of a bearded Yvette Cooper ...

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 2:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Interesting views from a psychiatrist: I've cherry picked so you will need to read the whole thing to get the full gist.

''As a psychiatrist, I find the emotional reactions of the Anyone But Corbyn camp interesting.....

Those who back Corbyn are being labelled by other Labour party members as more emotionally volatile and less predictable, grounded by the elder statesmen on the leadership side of the divide who see backing Anyone But Corbyn as a sign of maturity and calm....

....This is why I am concerned when we hear from certain politicians and commentators that those backing Corbyn are the ones who are going through some kind of meltdown, while the rest have somehow risen above emotional reactions. Ironically, their immediate reactions to Corbyn’s rise are perhaps the most emotional of all. The assessment by the Anyone But Corbyn camp is as subject to assumptions and wish fulfilment as anyone else’s.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as- ... 65279.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting that some polls showed Corbyn ahead amongst women, we of course are often criticised for our emotional approach to things, as if that is, of course, A Very Bad Thing.

Dr.Razzaque has some interesting stuff on religion and all manner of other stuff too. He's a good writer.

I think he makes some excellent points in his article - he seems to think that politics is better when, as he says, people "bring their emotions to the table".

I'm aware that a lot of people think they very dispassionate and weight things up based on facts alone. This has been proved to be untrue many many times.

I'm not a qualified psychiatrist like Dr.Razzaque, but I've studied some behavioural psychology. However logical and unemotional we think we are, the truth is that most of our behaviour is driven by our feelings.
This is obvious in things like relationships; but it's also true of how we see the world - our ideas, our views, the sort of jobs we choose, the sort of politics we subscribe to, are all formed through our experiences.

When people are unhappy or feel powerless, they either lash out or withdraw - either way, they are going through an emotional process which affects how they feel and what they do. (You understand this better than most, I would imagine, yahyah)
If they have some frustration or anger bubbling away, or deep unhappiness, that emotion can be harnessed - that's why cults work. Offer them some hope, and that emotion can be harnessed for good in the right sort of circumstances.

I don't know if Corbyn is a powerful speaker, as I've never heard him speak live; I don't think he really has much charisma. But what he does seem to be doing is using his own passion to harness the need and urge for change in those he speaks to.
I think he's a catalyst for the change we need to see, and people are latching on to that. It's a great help that he's talking sense on some of the things that matter to people in their daily lives. I don't think he has a cult following - I think the people who are going to hear him are not that easily swayed; they have been here before, and are eminently capable of making up their own minds.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 2:28 pm

yahyah wrote:What do you think people should have done then Hugo ?
Abstained ?

Abstain? No. Vote against. The scale of Corbyn's victory is the only important question now.

There is all the difference in the world by bland candidates who keep their policy options open because they want to be UK PM, not leader of the opposition, and JC.

He does have the Napoleonic quality of luck however as the serious scrutiny and testing is about 3 weeks too late.

Kendall, Cooper, Burnham

For deputy, any of the women are fine.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 2:49 pm

yahyah wrote:Interesting views from a psychiatrist: I've cherry picked so you will need to read the whole thing to get the full gist.

''As a psychiatrist, I find the emotional reactions of the Anyone But Corbyn camp interesting.....

Those who back Corbyn are being labelled by other Labour party members as more emotionally volatile and less predictable, grounded by the elder statesmen on the leadership side of the divide who see backing Anyone But Corbyn as a sign of maturity and calm....

....This is why I am concerned when we hear from certain politicians and commentators that those backing Corbyn are the ones who are going through some kind of meltdown, while the rest have somehow risen above emotional reactions. Ironically, their immediate reactions to Corbyn’s rise are perhaps the most emotional of all. The assessment by the Anyone But Corbyn camp is as subject to assumptions and wish fulfilment as anyone else’s.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/as- ... 65279.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting that some polls showed Corbyn ahead amongst women, we of course are often criticised for our emotional approach to things, as if that is, of course, A Very Bad Thing.

That is interesting. But 'elder statesmen'? Do we honestly have any?
I can't think of many MPs from across all parties that would qualify for that title.
If he's merely talking longevity, then Corbyn is eligible.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 3:21 pm

Tory councillor registered to vote for next Labour leader says he is a victim of practical joke

http://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/136 ... ical_joke/

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 3:29 pm

Patrick Wintour ‏@patrickwintour 6m6 minutes ago
If rejected from Labour leader ballot, Londoners can for £1 vote for Tory London Mayor. No ideological pre-screen. https://registration.conservatives.com/ ... ection2015" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Should we expect an #AnyoneButGoldsmith campaign and hashtag to appear superfast?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 3:31 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Tory councillor registered to vote for next Labour leader says he is a victim of practical joke

http://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/136 ... ical_joke/

He actually contrasts rather well (if stupidly, supposing we believe him) with the Tory councillor who claims he has registered as a Labour supporter and voted 6 times in all. And the other Tory who is boasting about his three voting ballots.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:04 pm

For those interested, the FEI European Championships Team Showjumping is on BBC Red Button (Freeview 601) starting now. I think it's also available on the BBC Sport website and app. TeamGB is lying fourth, so far, before the ~~last two from each team~~ top ten teams go in this Team Final. Also the second round of the Individual Showjumping...

Oh, and morfters all

Edits, various, 'cause I forgot the format of the competition. And to add: there's a couple of evil fences, in addition to the usual very wide Aachen oxers; viz, an vertical with an arched top bar, and another vertical comprising four wavy black bars... Eek!

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:14 pm

On the voting - some one over at the G has crunched some numbers.

It's on page 28 (!!!) of the comments on the article about Burnham wanting a meeting...

Ian Attwall - for it is he - says that If the predictions are right, Corbyn will get around 50% of the full member vote and 70% affiliated; that would give him 47% of the total vote from those two groups (490,000 people)
There are 121,000 of the new "registered" £3-a-pop voters so Corbyn would need just 16% of them (19,360) to vote for him to win outright; apparently the latest polls are showing that 60% of that group (72,000) intend to vote Corbyn.

If Ian is correct, that means it would take the removal of tens of thousands of new registered voters to stop Corbyn romping home.

As Hugo says above, it's now about the scale of the win, really. (Credit where due, Hugo!)

If the other candidates, or the party, intend - even if it was possible - to remove the voting rights of that many people, then there would be an outcry. Saying that there is concern of a possible legal challenge is a bit silly when you look at those numbers.
It really does look as though Corbyn's lead is moving into unassailable territory now - obviously, as someone who voted for him (with no second preference) I'll be pleased if that's true.

Then again - a week is a long time in politics, and there are still 3 weeks to go.....

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:21 pm

I am torn.

I want no hanging chads.

But I would also like to be able to stay a Labour member.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:23 pm

The BBC’s Political Editor Nick Robinson edited out an answer by Alex Salmond and told viewers the Scottish First Minister didn’t answer his question:

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/09/ ... -campaign/

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:26 pm

CostofCameron ‏@costofcameron 9 mins9 minutes ago
CostofCameron retweeted Ian

Seems big fuss about nothing. Certain elements spitting dummy out! CostofCameron added,

Ian @Mancman10
So after all the cry babies moaning on #LabourPurge it turns out only 3000 out of 610000 are barred from voting&most of these rightfully so.

Do these figures sound about right?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:31 pm

FTSE 100
6205.37
-162.52

Dow Jones
16679.69
-311

DAX
10165.18
-267.01

Nikkei
19435.83
-597.69
closed

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/business" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sinking lower & lower

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:36 pm

If Corbyn is going to win ... the best, and probably necessary, thing would be for it to be by a huge majority - which clearly includes many longstanding members.

That said ... I'm then expecting him to start a process of reaching out to all parts of the party - parliamentary, grass roots, etc - to start crafting a new way of working and developing policy. I'm also expecting (but with considerable anxiety because on current rhetoric it's far from certain) those people who haven't got their preferred outcome of leader to get behind this process and work hard on behalf of the party - not carry on the infighting.

I will be an optimist - I will, I will, I will ... and so on.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:44 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:I am torn.

I want no hanging chads.

But I would also like to be able to stay a Labour member.

This would be when we'd see how big the tent is.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 4:45 pm

ESA death statistics to be cynically released over August bank holiday

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/3 ... nk-holiday

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 5:08 pm

ephemerid wrote:Also - just had a text from Show.
He's still in the HDU, and will be there until Monday.
Doing fine!

Great news! Give him my love and best wishes

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 5:30 pm

utopiandreams wrote:Sorry folks for treating this place like it were a FaceBook page, perhaps I need some company. Anyway what was I saying about hoping my boiler service wouldn't be sabotaged? I had mentioned a recent intermittent fault that I had for a few days with the main circuit board but that it had stopped when I closed the adjacent window; it was some months ago but I mentioned it in case it required attention. The engineer told me it was most likely a poor connection that he would remedy. That was before our less than friendly chat (putting it mildly) over IDS, cuts, Thatcherism, bank deregulation, etc., etc.?

I'm in desperate need of a shower and lo and behold, F13! Oh well I'll have a somewhat late breakfast and try again. Just desserts I guess, I really should be my usual kindly self. Mmm a fresh orange with my meusli this morning. Sorry badgers, yes I still buy milk. 'And on that note I'd be happy to pay a premium if necessary to stop their slaughter but it seems supermarkets may be dairy farmers greater enemy.

Have I ever mentioned I once was a milkman for a short while when I first arrived back in these parts? Excepting Fridays and Saturdays it was my morning run before pursuing other interests in the afternoons and early evenings. Believe it or not I have some anecdotes of that too, but had better leave it at being buried under a roof load of snow as the door was answered by a young lady in her satin dressing gown. I'll shut up now and have a little read while I eat up.

Try switching the boiler off using the switch/knob on the boiler itself - not the mains switch - leave it ten minutes or so and then switch it back on, which acts as a 'reset'. It might all fire up ok, which would get you through for now. If it cuts out again during normal running (ie., when it's cooled then calls for heat again) then you'll have more info to give the engineer so they can isolate the fault when they come back - hopefully a different bloke/blokess

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 5:35 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:If Corbyn is going to win ... the best, and probably necessary, thing would be for it to be by a huge majority - which clearly includes many longstanding members.

That said ... I'm then expecting him to start a process of reaching out to all parts of the party - parliamentary, grass roots, etc - to start crafting a new way of working and developing policy. I'm also expecting (but with considerable anxiety because on current rhetoric it's far from certain) those people who haven't got their preferred outcome of leader to get behind this process and work hard on behalf of the party - not carry on the infighting.

I will be an optimist - I will, I will, I will ... and so on.

Maybe.

I'd have to quit in those circumstances, but the departure of the small band of people like me may be good for unity . I may have to float and vote according to individual candidate.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 5:52 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love
cJA

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:17 pm

How accurate are these Labour leadership polls likely to be? Does Burnham really stand no chance?

I guess I still don't really get the whole Corbyn thing. I agree with him on some things, not on others. There's nothing that makes me think he would be a good leader as opposed to just a good debater, which he clearly is, but is that enough? I guess I'm just feeling left out because other people are excited about a potential leader when I'm not. I just can't see myself getting behind him like I did Ed. If he is destined to win, I just hope he'll grow on me eventually.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:24 pm

After much anticipation & checking my emails, my online voting thing finally arrived late this afternoon

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:25 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:If Corbyn is going to win ... the best, and probably necessary, thing would be for it to be by a huge majority - which clearly includes many longstanding members.

That said ... I'm then expecting him to start a process of reaching out to all parts of the party - parliamentary, grass roots, etc - to start crafting a new way of working and developing policy. I'm also expecting (but with considerable anxiety because on current rhetoric it's far from certain) those people who haven't got their preferred outcome of leader to get behind this process and work hard on behalf of the party - not carry on the infighting.

I will be an optimist - I will, I will, I will ... and so on.

Maybe.

I'd have to quit in those circumstances, but the departure of the small band of people like me may be good for unity . I may have to float and vote according to individual candidate.

Are you saying you'll have to quit if Corbyn is elected leader per se ... or if he is elected with a huge majority which shows that a large part of the party isn't where you are? I could understand the latter reasoning more than the first ... any of us might have to settle for a leader that wasn't our choice.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:25 pm

Willow904 wrote:How accurate are these Labour leadership polls likely to be? Does Burnham really stand no chance?

I guess I still don't really get the whole Corbyn thing. I agree with him on some things, not on others. There's nothing that makes me think he would be a good leader as opposed to just a good debater, which he clearly is, but is that enough? I guess I'm just feeling left out because other people are excited about a potential leader when I'm not. I just can't see myself getting behind him like I did Ed. If he is destined to win, I just hope he'll grow on me eventually.

We won't know until September, or will there be whispers from Labour HQ before then

Does anyone know what has happened in the past, is secrecy maintained until the bitter end ?

Opinium polled me earlier, general election voting intention and who would I vote for out of the four candidates, but they didn't ask me to say whether I was a Labour member, or had a vote in the election.
The Observer uses Opinium, so maybe the results will be out at the weekend.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:29 pm

For what it's worth - Watson, Creasy & Eagle for deputy, in that order .....

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:30 pm

DonutHingeParty wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
yahyah wrote:But look at what he actually said. He called Isis 'brutal', he doesn't condone their actions.

& the remarks are from last year, a lot of the Isis violence-porn pics and reports the media have been publishing, seemingly more to titillate or provoke amygdala type responses than anything else, [just look at the Mail's coverage], has been more in the last six or nine months.
When he talks about a political accommodation with ISIS he has crossed the line. As others pointed out how much enslavement, rape and murder of women and non believers is acceptable in Corbyn's mind? He probably doesn't think of it like that, but that is the logical end of his argument.
Where do you stand on the Taliban?

A good question, been out all day.

One of the reasons I was opposed to Iraq was that the Taliban clearly hadn't been defeated and the sort of half arsed messing around in Afghanistan that the US engaged in clearly wasn't going to do it. In the ideal world no country should have to live under the bunch of vicious thugs and oppressors of women that are the Taliban.

Unfortunately they kicked our arse in Afghanistan, largely helped by the resources consumed by Iraq. The west have run away and now it is only a matter of time before the Taliban again rule Afghanistan. Hopefully this time they won't be supporting and sheltering organisations launching attacks on western cities. So rather sadly we have to accept we have failed utterly and move on, the best that can be said is unlike Libya we at least tried to stabilise the country.

Of course one issue that the Taliban have is they are themselves being targeted and murdered by ISIS, which is not a good thing either.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:30 pm

Willow904 wrote:How accurate are these Labour leadership polls likely to be? Does Burnham really stand no chance?

I guess I still don't really get the whole Corbyn thing. I agree with him on some things, not on others. There's nothing that makes me think he would be a good leader as opposed to just a good debater, which he clearly is, but is that enough? I guess I'm just feeling left out because other people are excited about a potential leader when I'm not. I just can't see myself getting behind him like I did Ed. If he is destined to win, I just hope he'll grow on me eventually.

Today's news made us / Riots think it might be beneficial to have him as leader when Chilcot finally completes and publishes.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:31 pm

I'll be honest, I am not delirious about Corbyn Willow, even though I voted for him.
I'd get behind Burnham, who was my second choice, although talk of legal challenges from his camp is a bit irksome.

I hope there is a clear preference from Labour members.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:39 pm

Night all.

Hope Show has a comfortable night, and the same good wishes for others in a similar situation or caring for a loved one.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:40 pm

Did I really just hear someone say titty and bell end on Radio 4 !

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:40 pm

Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 18m18 minutes ago
1/Extremely alarmed by rumours BBC to drop UK Met Office in favour of foreign weather forecaster. Vital 90 year old strategic relationship.

Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 16m16 minutes ago
2/Not only weather forecasting. Shipping forecast, extreme weather/crisis events/national defence. Madness if true. Govt must intervene

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:42 pm

Maybe they'll give the contract to Piers Corbyn.

Will definitely get my coat. Night.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:43 pm

yahyah wrote:Did I really just hear someone say titty and bell end on Radio 4 !

You did indeed - as part of whichever sketch show is on now - Dead Ringers I think.

Earlier on today I was half listening as I did a purge on weeds and overgrown plants and vine in the greenhouse and I heard someone refer to 'bottom-dwelling fish'. It took me a moment to clean up my automatic associative image function and get the right drift on that one.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:44 pm

yahyah wrote:I'll be honest, I am not delirious about Corbyn Willow, even though I voted for him.
I'd get behind Burnham, who was my second choice, although talk of legal challenges from his camp is a bit irksome.

I hope there is a clear preference from Labour members.

Problem is those Labour members aren't what they were, and if the result is swung by "supporters" it will just be a mess.

As I said a while ago the only viable option was to restrict the vote to the membership and supporters at GE+1 month.

If Corbyn wins that, which he might, his election really would be the will of Labour Party members. As it is this is just an utter shambles, although I doubt anybody actually will challenge it in the courts.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:44 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 18m18 minutes ago
1/Extremely alarmed by rumours BBC to drop UK Met Office in favour of foreign weather forecaster. Vital 90 year old strategic relationship.

Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 16m16 minutes ago
2/Not only weather forecasting. Shipping forecast, extreme weather/crisis events/national defence. Madness if true. Govt must intervene

Scorchio !

[youtube]MuSPdsPWit0[/youtube]

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:48 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 18m18 minutes ago
1/Extremely alarmed by rumours BBC to drop UK Met Office in favour of foreign weather forecaster. Vital 90 year old strategic relationship.

Ben Bradshaw ‏@BenPBradshaw 16m16 minutes ago
2/Not only weather forecasting. Shipping forecast, extreme weather/crisis events/national defence. Madness if true. Govt must intervene

Scorchio !

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Is that Caroline Aherne in a black wig?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:50 pm

Here is Dave, standing up for the security of us all.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... urity.html

Copy/paste/repeat continually from now until 2020.

Although budget cuts probably mean Dave won't get to ride in a tank like Maggie did.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:51 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:

Scorchio !

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Is that Caroline Aherne in a black wig?

Yes, from the Fast Show - with Paul Whitehouse & some chap who's name escapes me

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 21 Aug, 2015 6:53 pm

Debbie Abrahams calls for Iain Duncan Smith to resign

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/08/2 ... ould-roll/