Monday 24th August 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:22 pm

How does McBride think we're all going to get our 'hard cash' out and keep it safe? Where? Under the mattress?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:23 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Use of fake quotes in benefits leaflet 'quite wrong', Iain Duncan Smith admits
Minister says withdrawn leaflet is now subject of investigation, and publishing case studies based on fictional people is not DWP policy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ncan-smith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But it wasn't just fake quotes, was it IDS. It was fake people and scenarios - in more than one leaflet.

I don't believe a word he comes out with. Fake is the name of the game.

Somewhere in the DWP there is a SpAd who was told to do this is being told "Everyone thinks you should go".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:23 pm

Half hour ago.

US stock market authorities have been forced to suspend the futures market on the Nasdaq index.
Panicking traders have driven it down 5% - the maximum allowed under Wall Street rules before a circuit-breaker is triggered.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... 894f222b31" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:28 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:How does McBride think we're all going to get our 'hard cash' out and keep it safe? Where? Under the mattress?

Please forgive me for posting it.
I don't know that McBride is communicating responsibly.
He may be - the hard cash thing? - is that a responsible thing for a person in your position to communicate, McBride?
I don't know and I hope he's wrong.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:35 pm

citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
A former adviser to Gordon Brown, UK prime minister during the 2007-08 crisis, reckons the Chinese stock market crash means catastrophic times are ahead.

Damian McBride warned that the next financial crisis will be worse than seven years ago, and urged followers to take action now.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... 434a2b0b07" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:41 pm

Show is back. He seems to be OK.

It has taken him more than 5 hours.

We are going to the surgery later. I will be watching him like a hawk.

Thank you for the best wishes. I deserve them and he doesn't. In my humble and very relieved opinion.

(I will scream at him on another occasion)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:44 pm

ephemerid wrote:Show is back. He seems to be OK.

It has taken him more than 5 hours.

We are going to the surgery later. I will be watching him like a hawk.

Thank you for the best wishes. I deserve them and he doesn't. In my humble and very relieved opinion.

(I will scream at him on another occasion)

Really glad to hear that - well done Show for getting home .......but!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:49 pm

Great fall of China sinks world stocks, dollar tumbles

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/ ... 0B20150824" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:55 pm

Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
A former adviser to Gordon Brown, UK prime minister during the 2007-08 crisis, reckons the Chinese stock market crash means catastrophic times are ahead.

Damian McBride warned that the next financial crisis will be worse than seven years ago, and urged followers to take action now.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... 434a2b0b07" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.

The fact Chinese, Australian, USA, UK (and Europe) markets are collapsing indicates a real problem.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 2:58 pm

ephemerid wrote:Show is back. He seems to be OK.

It has taken him more than 5 hours.

We are going to the surgery later. I will be watching him like a hawk.

Thank you for the best wishes. I deserve them and he doesn't. In my humble and very relieved opinion.

(I will scream at him on another occasion)

Outstanding news!
Please accept my thanks for the good you share with us all.
I love you dearly.
xx
cJA

P.S. Please give Show my love, Ephemerid.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:00 pm

ephemerid wrote:I will be watching him like a hawk.

He loves it when you do that.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:02 pm

Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
A former adviser to Gordon Brown, UK prime minister during the 2007-08 crisis, reckons the Chinese stock market crash means catastrophic times are ahead.

Damian McBride warned that the next financial crisis will be worse than seven years ago, and urged followers to take action now.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... 434a2b0b07" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.

Market valuations were unrealistic IMO. I moved the vast majority of my pension pot into cash about a month ago. It's a correction that was badly needed but it's odd to think that the FTSE was over 7000 just a few months ago; now it's under 6000.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:03 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.
The fact Chinese, Australian, USA, UK (and Europe) markets are collapsing indicates a real problem.

Stock market crashes happen all the time and this one is likely to run and run. However this is quite different to a banking crisis, which is what we had in 2008.

Panic only if the big retail banks look under stress. Unless China implodes utterly this seems unlikely. One hopes that the casino banks retail operations are protected and that they haven't been purchasing dodgy junk bonds again.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:05 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.
Market valuations were unrealistic IMO. I moved the vast majority of my pension pot into cash about a month ago. It's a correction that was badly needed but it's odd to think that the FTSE was over 7000 just a few months ago; now it's under 6000.

Agreed, I have held off investing in stock for a while now. It just feels wrong, share prices have been driven up by low interest rates forcing buying of shares not market fundamentals.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:11 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Five minutes ago:
The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.
Market valuations were unrealistic IMO. I moved the vast majority of my pension pot into cash about a month ago. It's a correction that was badly needed but it's odd to think that the FTSE was over 7000 just a few months ago; now it's under 6000.

Good, very good.
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment about the market valuations.
I'm not afraid of financial markets, I'm afraid the systemic problems causing needless suffering haven't been corrected.
No more deleveraging hardship onto people who've done nothing to cause the problem.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:14 pm

Best take on it I have seen.

Markets slump as world realises main growth engine in hands of incompetent, secretive police state that thinks it can dictate equity prices

- Paul Mason.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:17 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote: The headline on the Guardian live blog was 'worst European market losses since 2009' the last time I looked. Now it's since 2008. It won't mean anything until markets close, but we're surely looking at a sizeable adjustment at the very least. Not good news for ISA holders etc. Unless there's a quick recovery, I can't see how it won't effect UK economic recovery if this keeps up.
The fact Chinese, Australian, USA, UK (and Europe) markets are collapsing indicates a real problem.
Stock market crashes happen all the time and this one is likely to run and run. However this is quite different to a banking crisis, which is what we had in 2008.

Panic only if the big retail banks look under stress. Unless China implodes utterly this seems unlikely. One hopes that the casino banks retail operations are protected and that they haven't been purchasing dodgy junk bonds again.

I'm grateful to you for your reassurance, sincerely, I need to know all I can about what is true.
Please excuse me if my posts are alarming causing more harm than good, please know it's not my intention to cause harm.
It's a language I wasn't taught, Economics.
I must learn what is true to help in the work I do communicating accurately.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:18 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Best take on it I have seen.

Markets slump as world realises main growth engine in hands of incompetent, secretive police state that thinks it can dictate equity prices
- Paul Mason.

Well said.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:41 pm

For what it's worth, my view is there's little point in comparing what is happening today with the 2008 crash, because in so many ways this still is the 2008 crash.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:54 pm

Mr Duncan Smith denied that he was committed halving the number of disabled on ESA, insisting it had been Labour ministers who suggested a million claimants could be taken off the roster in 2008.

"I'm not in that prediction game. I just think the whole objective here is to save lives, to help them get better lives," he said.

In the speech - which media were not allowed to attend - Mr Duncan Smith said: "We know there remains a gap between the employment rate of disabled and non-disabled people.

"We want to ensure everyone has the opportunity to transform their lives for the better by getting into work.

"That's why, as part of our one nation approach, we have committed to halving this gap."

http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/nation ... -1-6919945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please read this and find the cognitive dissonance evidenced within IDS' statements - there's flat out lies in there too.

Current Tory government have done what they've like for over five years. Tory government actions, statements and behaviour frighten me. It's crazy.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 3:56 pm

IDS denies commitment to halving the number.
IDS commits to halving the number.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:00 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:For what it's worth, my view is there's little point in comparing what is happening today with the 2008 crash, because in so many ways this still is the 2008 crash.

I think so too Paul.
I'm glad you're posting some more.
I frequently get exhausted by the research, writing, reading and commenting.
I've got laundry to do, food to prepare...

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:08 pm

Sick Tosser Duncan Smith's full speech here ;

http://www.reform.uk/publication/rt-hon ... isability/

Now, where is my golden ship

There was a young girl, whose heart was a frown,
Because she was crippled for life, and couldn't speak a sound
And she wished and prayed she would stop living, so she decided to die.
She drew her wheel chair to the edge of the shore, and to her legs she smiled

"You won't hurt me no more."
But then a sight she'd never seen made her jump and say
"Look, a golden winged ship is passing my way"
And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going.
And so castles made of sand slips into the sea,
Eventually

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:43 pm

Just the title takes your breath away.

'Labour's legacy of worklessness'

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:49 pm

Yikes - absolutely hammering it down here.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:50 pm

Thanks for that insight RobertSnozers

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:51 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Yikes - absolutely hammering it down here.

Tories at your gate or is it rain?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:52 pm

Glad to hear Show is home safely Ephie.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:53 pm

The employee goes to their doctor, and after a short assessment, their doctor signs them off work.

Too often, even early on, no one at work maintains regular contact with them.

And after successive sick notes, their original condition then gets worse.

An opportunity to keep the prospect of a return to work within sight is lost.

Instead, they move onto sick pay, and then at some point are left to cascade onto sickness benefit.

This is beyond parody.

The people whose condition deteriorates get successive sick notes. Only in IDS' head could the process be inverted.
He's seriously out of control.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:54 pm

"Sickness benefit culture"=compulsive lying demonising scumbag culture.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 4:56 pm

We keep being told socialism doesn't work.
Capitalism seems to be a bit creaky, yet we are just supposed to accept these panics and market madness.

& did anyone hear the Tory on Any Question's response to the milk price problem ?
She, and presumably the Tories, wants to introduce a futures market for milk.
Another way of people making money from what is surely a form of gambling.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:01 pm

citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Yikes - absolutely hammering it down here.
Tories at your gate or is it rain?

The latter.

On the DWP fake quotes - I noted there were the usual suspects doing the "nothing to see here" nonsense and wondered what they'd say if, for example, the DfE simply made up some quotes about how fab free schools were from some fictitious head teachers. Or some from fake pupils about how much they enjoyed the new curriculum.

Someone else used the "well, companies do it all the time" -er no...that would be a Ratner moment for any company doing that - credibility shot to bits.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:04 pm

gilsey wrote:
The employee goes to their doctor, and after a short assessment, their doctor signs them off work.

Too often, even early on, no one at work maintains regular contact with them.

And after successive sick notes, their original condition then gets worse.

An opportunity to keep the prospect of a return to work within sight is lost.

Instead, they move onto sick pay, and then at some point are left to cascade onto sickness benefit.
This is beyond parody.

The people whose condition deteriorates get successive sick notes. Only in IDS' head could the process be inverted.
He's seriously out of control.

I worked in admin in primary care for 12 years and saw/heard issues like sick note requests etc dealt with by receptionists and GPs.

Doctors do not sign people off at a whim.
They don't just carry on signing sick notes willy nilly.

When patients were due a new sick note the doctor would examine their notes, refer to out patient or consultant's letters, often call the patient in to be seen or phone them.
And companies, or rather good companies, do communicate with their staff.

Doctors have a duty of care to their patients, not to Ian Duncan Smith.
The day they are forced to go against that then we are truly screwed.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:08 pm

There's a paradox that never gets explained...

1. "GPs can't be trusted as they sign off people all the time so we need to get a company involved in assessing patients"
2. "GPs can be trusted which is why we've handed over commissioning of patient care to them to the tune of £80bn"

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:09 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:For what it's worth, my view is there's little point in comparing what is happening today with the 2008 crash, because in so many ways this still is the 2008 crash.

I don't think this is the 2008 crash. This is a crash caused by China running into the if it can't go on forever it won't law of expanding economies. The uncertainty is made worse because China is so opaque nobody knows if this crash is a slightly bent front bumper or a write-off.

The problem is that when the slowdown hits western economies will suffer because the fundamentals behind the 2008 crash haven't been fixed.

Oddly if China and its neighbours crash really badly it might be better for the west, your consumer gods will cost more and production might be moved back on shore.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:15 pm

There has been an increase in ESA numbers of late,using IDS logic no doubt encouraged by the tightening of the sanction regime and the recently announced reduction in income-what a tosspot of unimaginable proportions.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:28 pm

The 4.6% slump on the blue-chip index today looks to be the biggest one-day fall since March 2009.

And it means that the FTSE 100 has just posted its longest losing streak since 2003.

Well, #BlackMonday draws to a close in the UK. Those stock market high flyers really got the jitters, didn't they? Still, Cameron's going to dilute anti-corruption rules. I'm sure that will give everyone a lot more confidence when investing in Chinese companies, won't it? And giving the Chinese government financial control over our nuclear power stations doesn't in any way look reckless, does it?!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:30 pm

Has Ed Miliband gone to work for SWALEC ?

They are offering me a 3 year fixed price deal. We were told the world would end if that happened.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:31 pm

I' ve just been opposite to see if he's heard anything, I've been out and about a couple of times so may have missed the agent entering the property. I assumed they'd been and that she is not here since there would no doubt have been further activity in such event. A policewoman was here when my landlord rang me back earlier about the boiler so I passed her my phone to speak directly with him for her name and contact details. Since she made no note I'm presuming he would have had to check and get back to them. Anyway apparently all clear, the last he knows is that the police were let into the property and have tried her mobile. It was engaged at the time. He was advised that we had done the right thing as concerned citizens.

Amongst the many things discussed this morning, I learned that his daughter is a vegan; he said you know the one with the green hair. I was the one who raised such topic after he'd offered me some pidgeons, he seems a bit of a gamekeeper or poacher type; I declined but don't mention it to the cats. I also learned that he is a very spritely 83 year old. Anyway he had many a tale of incidents around and within these flats including a fracas outside some years ago over a not unattractive woman on the ground floor who would pose naked in front of a full length mirror with open curtains and the lights on... and to think I used to pass this way frequently (my place being about half a mile away). Anyway I told him how I often used to intervene in such situations especially if man on woman but had not stepped in since the time I was immediately decked, not that I have witnessed any since. Athough I got up instantly my pride was sorely damaged; it did bring things to a close however.

When I say intervene, there were previous tenants below with lots of banging of doors, shouting and screaming and the baby crying at the top of his voice. I found it rather unsettling, so much so that one day I took the lad aside and threatened that he would be hurt if it did not stop and that I'd get the police and landlords to intervene too. I suggested that if things got that bad he should leave the premises until such time he cooled down, he was likely to do or say something that could not be remedied and if I ever thougfht he hit her he had better fear for his safety. Of course being my age I couldn't have carried out such threat nor would I, so informed him my eldest had been inside and knew people he would rather not encounter. Job done apparently as I'd occasionally hear the door slam after very few words and then peace. I did get the boot of my car kicked in later however but have no proof of who it were.

'And on that note those paving slabs I mentioned a few days ago were reported to the police by a witness. Outside the courtroom I was chatting to a lad next to me talking of why we were here, as you do. Well we that is I'm not casting aspersions on any of you. It transpired that it were his aunt that had reported me, a professional police informer. When I say professional, she was always reporting crimes and acting as prosecution witness thereby claiming court attendance costs. Which brings me full circle she may just be a concerned citizen performing her civic duty. However in this instance it was the very woman who only a few days earlier I had challenged for screaming and slapping a toddler for no more than acting a child. Family or not, he did not have a kind word to say of her.

Which reminds me, slapping a child. I recently babysat my granddaughter for the whole day during which there was a tantrum when I wanted to ready her for going out. I had to be somewhere else, but this was more than just a tantrum, kicking, screaming and then biting! Without hesitation I slapped her bum, very rare for me even with my own when they were growing up, nevertheless I did not feel badly about it, deserved in my book and neither was it overly hard, a typical mammalian reaction to a misbehaving youngster even if we are of a higher order. Just as I was about to leave when my son was back from work, completely unprompted she apologised to me. My son said she had nothing to apologise for so a little reluctantly I told him of earlier. I have to say an apology from one so young endeared her to me even more. Of course I told him not to tell Mum as that whole Alton Towers episode had been over his scolding her lad from a previous partner, although in private conversation she has told me how good he is with the kids. Oops that was privileged information, not forgetting I wasn't going to tell any more tales.

Oh go on, just one more because I'd rather leave you with a smile on your face; it does mine. There's a bloke that works with my youngest that seemed to especially like him, he even gave him a birthday card with a tenner inside. I know what you're thinking, but no it's not like that. He has repeatedly stated that he would like him for a son-in-law. He has now been befriended by and accepted someone on FaceBook that he did not know. It transpires it is said bloke's daughter. How I laughed!

'And now I really shall try to stop telling tales, unless they be yarns of our political enemies perhaps.

Edit: missed out FaceBook

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:43 pm

gilsey wrote:
The employee goes to their doctor, and after a short assessment, their doctor signs them off work.

Too often, even early on, no one at work maintains regular contact with them.

And after successive sick notes, their original condition then gets worse.

An opportunity to keep the prospect of a return to work within sight is lost.

Instead, they move onto sick pay, and then at some point are left to cascade onto sickness benefit.
This is beyond parody.

The people whose condition deteriorates get successive sick notes. Only in IDS' head could the process be inverted.
He's seriously out of control.

The truth -

Employee goes to doctor. After EXAMINATION the doctor signs a fit note (in place since April 2010)with beginning and end dates.
1. Fit for all/any work; 2. Fit only for amended/modified duties; 3. Not fit for any work at all.

Too often, employees are required to contact their work to explain what is going on, even if the employer knows the illness is going to last some time (eg. cancer treatment, fractured long bone)

After successive fit notes, they usually get better and go back to work; or they try going back part-time if their situation post-illness is different; their employers frequently accommodate this rather than lose a member of staff.

If they do not get better, it is not because they have had successive sick notes.

No opportunity is lost, in many circumstances, to keep the employer informed; and the employee makes every effort to get better.

Most people move on to sick pay after a very short period of absence; statutorily this can be as little as the first 7 days of self-certification. Statutory Sick Pay can last up to 28 weeks but for most the period is shorter than that.

No ill employee "cascades" anywhere. Waterfalls they are not. Those who have no entitlement to SSP or employer schemes are entitled to claim ESA while off sick from a job and the majority of those who do this claim for less than 12 weeks.

George Smith is a small little pathetic poor excuse for a cockwombling wankbastard pratfeatured liar. With bells on.

He doesn't know the law pertaining to his own department, and even if he did he'd change it if he didn't like it. As we have seen.

I think we can prepare ourselves for yet more cruelty and poverty - as if we hadn't had enough already.

I'm going to get up early tomorrow just so I can despise him a bit longer.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:49 pm

BBC Politics ‏@BBCPolitics 14m14 minutes ago
The government's housing minister has defended claims of almost £31,000 for London hotel stays despite owning a...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-34042547" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brandon Lewis. Hardly surprising.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 5:54 pm

Am even more confused than usual.

Dan Hodges has voted for Yvette Cooper, didn't realise he still supported Labour, or was a member.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:00 pm

Labour's Tom Watson attacks Tory minister over 'bullish on China' article
Frontrunner for deputy leader questions whether Jim O’Neill is suitable for role as minister for infrastructure, after Chinese stock market rout

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-58100381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Below the line concern troll or just full on delusion beseeching the Opposition to do something....
Read the title, the article, you disingenuous lying Tory supporter.
Because I've god damn had enough.
Good Labour MPs are sounding off as they have done consistently all the while against a solid wall of derision or straight up denial of their work.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:03 pm

I suppose if we really want to fall out, a discussion on whether cleavage is acceptable in politics would be the way to do it.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/l ... kbEtHEUbBl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:04 pm

ephemerid wrote:
gilsey wrote:
The employee goes to their doctor, and after a short assessment, their doctor signs them off work.

Too often, even early on, no one at work maintains regular contact with them.

And after successive sick notes, their original condition then gets worse.

An opportunity to keep the prospect of a return to work within sight is lost.

Instead, they move onto sick pay, and then at some point are left to cascade onto sickness benefit.
This is beyond parody.

The people whose condition deteriorates get successive sick notes. Only in IDS' head could the process be inverted.
He's seriously out of control.

The truth -

Employee goes to doctor. After EXAMINATION the doctor signs a fit note (in place since April 2010)with beginning and end dates.
1. Fit for all/any work; 2. Fit only for amended/modified duties; 3. Not fit for any work at all.

Too often, employees are required to contact their work to explain what is going on, even if the employer knows the illness is going to last some time (eg. cancer treatment, fractured long bone)

After successive fit notes, they usually get better and go back to work; or they try going back part-time if their situation post-illness is different; their employers frequently accommodate this rather than lose a member of staff.

If they do not get better, it is not because they have had successive sick notes.

No opportunity is lost, in many circumstances, to keep the employer informed; and the employee makes every effort to get better.

Most people move on to sick pay after a very short period of absence; statutorily this can be as little as the first 7 days of self-certification. Statutory Sick Pay can last up to 28 weeks but for most the period is shorter than that.

No ill employee "cascades" anywhere. Waterfalls they are not. Those who have no entitlement to SSP or employer schemes are entitled to claim ESA while off sick from a job and the majority of those who do this claim for less than 12 weeks.

George Smith is a small little pathetic poor excuse for a cockwombling wankbastard pratfeatured liar. With bells on.

He doesn't know the law pertaining to his own department, and even if he did he'd change it if he didn't like it. As we have seen.

I think we can prepare ourselves for yet more cruelty and poverty - as if we hadn't had enough already.

I'm going to get up early tomorrow just so I can despise him a bit longer.

IDS, you're in trouble.
You're going to find yourself face to face with the work you've done, Mr. Smith.
We know the truth.
You won't out run the truth, Mr. Smith.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:05 pm

yahyah wrote:Am even more confused than usual.

Dan Hodges has voted for Yvette Cooper, didn't realise he still supported Labour, or was a member.

Having actively campaigned against the last Labour leader for years, under the pay of the Labour hating Barclay brothers, and publicly rescinding his membership via that Tory supporting organ which they own - I don't see how he falls under the rule of acceptance of being allowed a vote- i.e. supporting Labour values.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:07 pm

"Demonstrating your cleavage"

I think it is highly acceptable.I'll stop there.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:08 pm

Serious question...can we complain to the Labour executive committee or some such about Hodges ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:09 pm

Ooh can feel my inner Stalinist coming out, who else can we purge

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 24 Aug, 2015 6:11 pm

HindleA wrote:"Demonstrating your cleavage"

I think it is highly acceptable.I'll stop there.

Eric Pickles, bum cleavage ? Just asking.