Monday 14th September 2015

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:19 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Have to say I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Ed Miliband's house right now. I bet they're having some very interesting discussions.

Ed looked so well and relaxed when he was talking to the press outside his house on Saturday,I'm glad for him that he is having some time on the back benches and the media will generally leave the family in peace.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:21 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 5m5 minutes ago
Frank Field: "I just think the Labour Party desperately needs to look more like the country it claims to represent"

Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 2m2 minutes ago
Labour MP Frank Field says that last time the party was offering "a very thin Blairite gruel"
See this is the conflict I have about Frank Field. Some of what he says is pretty sensible ... and then he goes and spoils it all with ...

He very often is astute at precisely, and accurately, identifying problems. He doesn't often suggest solutions which sit well with me, though.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:21 am

@Rebecca: Congratulations to your son - I hope he'll quickly get into the swing of it and that O2 will swiftly promote him and give him a pay rise. I'm disappointed by the words and actions of various MPs, too; but not that surprised by who they are.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:23 am

Bonnie Greer

"You People Syndrome" Strikes Again

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/bonnie- ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:31 am

@Lonewolfie

Thanks for the link to Brian Cathcart's 10 reasons why Rebekah Brooks is not a fit manager for any company (https://www.byline.com/column/35/article/377). I particularly noted number 9, partly because I had myself queried whether the subsidiary CEO and malfeasant of an American corporation may also be subject to prosecution should the company be.

I looked Cathcart up by following his byline link, one worthy of great respect I would say unlike the subject of his article.

Brian Cathcart is professor of journalism at Kingston University London and was a founder of the Hacked Off campaign. He served as specialist adviser to the commons media select committee in 2008-10. Irish by background, he was a journalist at Reuters, the Independent papers and the New Statesman, and has written books about the murders of Stephen Lawrence and Jill Dando, as well as on the history of nuclear science. He tweets as @BrianCathcart

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:36 am

Michael Savage ‏@michaelsavage 4m4 minutes ago
Away from Labour, an important story from @SamCoatesTimes on Treasury plans to mitigate effects of the tax credit cut http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/poli ... 555913.ece …

This is bedroom tax all over again by the sound of this ... attempts by the Tories to paper over a very punitive policy with some kind of flim flam. Will people fall for it?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:37 am

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 2m2 minutes ago
DUP furious over McDonnell appointment - could increase Cameron’s majority http://specc.ie/1iajQ8S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:38 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 5m5 minutes ago
Frank Field: "I just think the Labour Party desperately needs to look more like the country it claims to represent"

Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 2m2 minutes ago
Labour MP Frank Field says that last time the party was offering "a very thin Blairite gruel"
See this is the conflict I have about Frank Field. Some of what he says is pretty sensible ... and then he goes and spoils it all with ...

Exactly. I watched that interview he did with Sophy Ridge and when he said, "desperately needs to look more like the country it claims to represent," I groaned, "Oh for fuck's sake, Frank! So far the Shadow Cabinet consists of eight men and seven women, of different ethnicities and beliefs, and there are still nine places to fill, including W&P and Defence, plus one without portfolio and The Shadow Attorney General!!!"

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:40 am

Rebecca wrote:Morning all.
Must say that I am ashamed of the behaviour of many labour mps at the moment.They are being incredibly disrespectful of all the people who voted in the leadership elections.What possible good do they think can arise from working against their new party leader in this immediate and very public manner.
As for the mps refusing to join Corbyns shadow cabinet,well,it seemed that for most of the last 5 years Ed was on his own anyway.Few of them did much to support him or speak out for Labour anyway.Time for a change then.They are neither serving the party or the people who voted for them.
No doubt there will be much ranting here and elsewhere from anti Corbyn members who disagree with everything he does.Or does not.All great news for the tories really.Lets all fight ourselves and denigrate the new elected leader before he has even got his feet under the table.
Glad you have a kitten YahYah,how sweet they are.I suppose you don't feel like swapping him or her for an incredibly muddy gsd do you?
My son graduated this summer,took a part time job in a bar for a few weeks and starts his first proper full time job today with O2.Seeing as he spent the last few years in the uni bar/studying,he needed to buy a whole new work wardrobe,and it takes nearly two hours to travel to work.Pay isn't great either.Doing all this cheerfully and sensibly,I'm very proud of him.

Isn't it great when you see your offspring all polished up and ready to step out into the grown up world...Sounds like you've done a good job...I wish him well...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:44 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 5m5 minutes ago
Frank Field: "I just think the Labour Party desperately needs to look more like the country it claims to represent"

Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky 2m2 minutes ago
Labour MP Frank Field says that last time the party was offering "a very thin Blairite gruel"
See this is the conflict I have about Frank Field. Some of what he says is pretty sensible ... and then he goes and spoils it all with ...

He has been much more sensible than many, tbf to him - and actually recognises why Corbynmania occurred even if he does not agree with it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:47 am

Rob Merrick ‏@Rob_Merrick 49s50 seconds ago
Labour source suggests Corbyn has shunned broadcast interviews so far because he is "scared"...this does not appear encouraging

Bloody Labour source again.

I imagine Corbyn is going to wait until he has completed the Shadow Cabinet appointments before talking to the press. Then he can actually talk about it in the round rather than a partially completed bit of work. Plus - he's probably doing a lot of talking to people and weighing up the options at present ... needs time and attention.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:47 am

Good morning all,
Up late today having dropped off youngest at Salford University yesterday, and driven home dealing with tears (mine & Mrs Close). Nest is now empty.

To lighten the mood a bit, this tweet shows OIRFG & his scare tactics for what they are:

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 10:51 am

@danesclose

Fear not. Apparently they come back to the nest with some frequency. My sister said she sees more of her son now he's at university (Durham) than she did when he was at home and permanently out with friends. She reckons he'll still be living with them for many more years! We (me and my siblings) are of the era when we all waved goodbye at 16ish - so it's a bit of a shock for her.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:03 am

Interview from April, Corbyn & McDonnell together

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/jeremy-c ... -party-674

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LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:07 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 2m2 minutes ago
DUP furious over McDonnell appointment - could increase Cameron’s majority http://specc.ie/1iajQ8S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bloody hell. And this on the day they really should be extending their efforts to help/persuade their Assembly colleagues to prevent the NI Assembly/Parliament from falling apart. Unless they really want direct rule from Westminster to come back - complete with the likely instant imposition of the unmitigated Welfare Reform Act...

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:08 am

Morning all.

Admin - please accept my apologies for starting a weekend thread wrongly.

ScarletGas wrote:
Finally, you will be pleased to hear, on the subject of those people in the Labour Party who are already talking about opposing the democratically elected leadership. I do not want anyone to leave but they must go away and have a good, long think about what they stand for. They have been rejected by the country and now they have been rejected by the majority of their party. Please fight your corner as hard as you can within the tent but always remember the loyalty you demanded when in your ascendency also applies now. It will be a measure of your character and maturity as to how you react.

Fantastic post, Mr/Ms.Gas - and that last paragraph is very important.

New people are joining in their thousands - one of my friends and her partner joined yesterday - and this is because of Corbyn's win.
This is a groundswell of support for taking the fight to the Tories, and the people involved don't want austerity-lite, they don't want the same Blairite/Brownite politics.

That doesn't mean that the country as a whole will follow - but I think the electorate will have a much clearer choice for the next GE. One of the phrases I heard on the doorstep, again and again, was "they're all the same". It's my view that there was a huge difference but it was difficult to get across - some of that was down to the media's antics, some down to a lack of support for Ed and a perception that he didn't represent change, and some down to what was perceived as a lack of clarity on policy.

It's a gamble going left as far as the wider country is concerned - but it seems that it's what the party membership wants (it's certainly what I want). I am inclined to think that as the Tories lay waste to our public services, many more people will be affected; Corbyn is firmly and squarely anti-austerity, and I think that's why he has got so much support.

But - he needs the support of the PLP. If MPs refuse to serve, if they prat about forming "resistance" groups and flog their opinions to the likes of the Mail and the Sun, they're going to cause the party they claim to love no end of trouble.
I hope Corbyn lets them get on with it - they will have their CLPs to answer to. If any tellings off or deselections happen, they must come from the CLPs not the people who are now at the head of the party.

It's probably too much to expect unity now - I think we need to give the PLP time to get used to the new Labour the members voted for.
Change is difficult - and especially so for the people whose ambitions have been thwarted.
I hope they'll come to understand that their party needs their skills and experience, and I hope they will take a leaf out of the Tories' book and at least make a show of unity in public, something the Tories are very good at.

Ho hum - life would be so much simpler if people would just work together.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:08 am

Rebecca wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Hello Rebecca,

Delighted for your son re his job and his cheerful can do attitude. Hope it goes well for him. I think I just about managed 2 hour journeys to and from work when I was young! Did a lot of reading on trains and tubes.
I did too.Think this generation,son certainly,are more likely to be plugged into something electronic.
I offered to sub him some of the money for clothes,waiting for the grand total.Am glad he went nowhere near a jobcentre.
Thanks for your kind wishes for him.I'm trying to stop worrying about him,sure he will be ok.

You never stop worrying about them, it's just that the worries change the older they get.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:09 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 2m2 minutes ago
DUP furious over McDonnell appointment - could increase Cameron’s majority http://specc.ie/1iajQ8S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hmmm, is this the same DUP that has worked together with Sinn Fein for a few years now? Not really buying this line, tbh.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:09 am

The Howard League ‏@TheHowardLeague 33m33 minutes ago
Homeless man stole nappies from Boots. Six weeks in prison and ordered to pay £150 #CriminalCharge + £80 surcharge: http://www.lincolnshireecho.co.uk/court ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:18 am

Good-morning, everyone.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:26 am

Flint has decided to go to the back benches.

I've never been able to warm to her since the horrible bickering and sniping at the end of Gordon Brown's PMship. She was generally able to hold her own when speaking up in / on the media though.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:28 am

yahyah wrote: If Dan/Paul don't mind is it ok if I start a thread where people can post names of all the MP 'anti-Corbyn' resistance and those helping the right wing media?
Then there's a working list of MPs to contact.

This is fine.

We just need to remember that they are also Labour MPs, albeit not necessarily from the same side of the party as some of us, and we should be constructive not abusive.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:28 am

Beth Rigby ‏@BethRigby 31s32 seconds ago
Michael Dugher definitely to #DCMS as Caroline Flint returns to the backbenchers #labourreshuffle

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:31 am

ephemerid wrote:Morning all.

Admin - please accept my apologies for starting a weekend thread wrongly.

Well just this once

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:37 am

refitman wrote:
yahyah wrote: If Dan/Paul don't mind is it ok if I start a thread where people can post names of all the MP 'anti-Corbyn' resistance and those helping the right wing media?
Then there's a working list of MPs to contact.
This is fine.

We just need to remember that they are also Labour MPs, albeit not necessarily from the same side of the party as some of us, and we should be constructive not abusive.

Thank you, refitman!
Team work

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:41 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ephemerid wrote:Morning all.

Admin - please accept my apologies for starting a weekend thread wrongly.
Well just this once

Thank you, lovely Paul.

However, my sixteenth of Yorkshireness is hating you. OFRFG has pronounced this, so it must be true.

So much so, I made you some Parkin.

But as you hate me, I'm going to eat it all myself and you can keep yer rhubarb.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:43 am

Pablo Iglesias, leader of Spain's Podemos party, has welcomed Corbyn to the EU's fight against austerity.
Corbyn is fluent in Spanish, I'm not and am grateful Iglesias' welcome article is in English too.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ty-podemos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... 14/spanish" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:46 am

RobertSnozers wrote:John McDonnell on the 'offices of state':

Jeremy said very, very clearly we don’t accept the hierarchical nature of what we’ve inherited by these supposed top jobs. They largely stem from the 19th century when we had an empire and all that. For most people the real top jobs are the ones that provide the services on health and education and those sorts of things. So he has broken with that tradition, and I’m really pleased. The [shadow] cabinet looks as though it will be completely gender balanced, but also the whole administration I think will be gender balanced ...

They are not top jobs. I don’t accept that. You can’t say that foreign secretary is more important than delivering education to our children, or the health of the population. We don’t accept those hierarchies ...
I have to say I thoroughly agree. It's time the idea of the so-called 'offices of state' was put to bed once and for all. Sure, the chancellor is arguably the second most important role in the cabinet, but I don't buy for a moment the idea that the home office and foreign office are any more significant than health, education, defence etc.

Particularly when we're talking about the shadow roles.

Worth noting that the most important day of the Chancellor's year is when he is answered by...the Leader of the Opposition and not the Shadow Chancellor.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 11:58 am

ephemerid wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ephemerid wrote:Morning all.

Admin - please accept my apologies for starting a weekend thread wrongly.
Well just this once
Thank you, lovely Paul.

However, my sixteenth of Yorkshireness is hating you. OFRFG has pronounced this, so it must be true.

So much so, I made you some Parkin.

But as you hate me, I'm going to eat it all myself and you can keep yer rhubarb.

Lovely hiking in Yorkshire.
I met many Yorkshire peoples and none of them hated me, themselves or each other.
My ridiculous bank and their debit card with my name on it declined to know me while on a visit to Yorkshire some years ago.
During the week I needed to sort it out, I was trusted, given food and not tossed out of my accommodation while unable to access funds.
It was resolved pleasantly because some people of Yorkshire philosophically, altruistically, helped me out.

Wales is great too.
I love rhubarb; I make a good crumble, I think you'll love it, Ephemerid.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:01 pm

11.13: News reaches us that Jon Trickett will be taking Communities and Local Government Questions for Labour in the House at 14.30. As we understand it, this is not a confirmation that he will be taking the Shadow DCLG role.

http://labourlist.org/2015/09/liveblog- ... w-cabinet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:02 pm

norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 2m2 minutes ago
Am hearing Owen Smith for DWP job in @jeremycorbyn reshuffle

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:05 pm

One for Roger http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/38394

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:06 pm

Guest Post by the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... /#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A welcome laugh.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:18 pm

Toby Perkins, Liz Kendall's campaign manager, answers JoCo's question as to whether or not he'd serve in the Shadow Cabinet, "Well, you can't quite say yes or no if you haven't been asked. But, if Jeremy wanted to, depending on what he wanted me to do, of course I would seriously consider it. Obviously we'd have we'd have to have a serious conversation about it but I wouldn't just rule it out." (as close to verbatim as I could keep up and remember.)

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:28 pm

Ken Livingston points out that John McDonnell was his Deputy and the Chair of Finance at the GLC and every year, where he was in charge of a massive budget, which he balanced every year, with no outstanding borrowing, "and look at everything that we were able to do," (DP)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:35 pm

Livingstone and McDonnell are long term enemies from those days, so if Ken is giving him even qualified support that is interesting.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:42 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Livingstone and McDonnell are long term enemies from those days, so if Ken is giving him even qualified support that is interesting.

It all seems to hinge around the GLC budget in the mid-80s - maybe from a distance Livingstone has changed his mind about who was right about the tactics.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:50 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Livingstone and McDonnell are long term enemies from those days, so if Ken is giving him even qualified support that is interesting.
It all seems to hinge around the GLC budget in the mid-80s - maybe from a distance Livingstone has changed his mind about who was right about the tactics.

One of the 'lobbyists' tweeted something last night along the lines of McDonnell presiding over the GLC's budget being declared 'illegal' ... have no idea if that is accurate or not. I think this MSM brickbat fest is pretty much what can be expected after such a radical shift in Labour. Going to be interesting to see if Corbyn's stance re the media is sustainable - i.e. him deciding when to engage with them rather than them demanding and getting 24/7 instant access. Also interesting to see whether and when some of the Labour PLPers who are currently being very publicly critical might decide that if they carry on doing that there might not be enough of a party left for them to pick up with again.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:53 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 27s27 seconds ago
Maria Eagle gets Shadow Defence, Lisa Nandy gets Shadow DECC #twinpower

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:56 pm

Patrick Wintour ‏@patrickwintour 2m2 minutes ago
Maria Eagle is to be shadow defence secretary and Owen Smith takes Shadow work and pensions. Trickett is communities secretary.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:56 pm

Tony Abbott is gone

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:57 pm

Kerry McCarthy environment, Lilian Greenwood transport

Emily Ashton ‏@elashton 1m1 minute ago
. @GloriaDePiero in new post of Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Registration

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 12:59 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Livingstone and McDonnell are long term enemies from those days, so if Ken is giving him even qualified support that is interesting.
It all seems to hinge around the GLC budget in the mid-80s - maybe from a distance Livingstone has changed his mind about who was right about the tactics.

True. Time can change ones perspective on lots of things. I've heard criticism that McDonnell hasn't held any senior positions in Office or Opposition but his career demonstrates a wealth of experience and serious responsibility. His Parliamentary career might have been different, to date, if not for the happenstance of arriving in Westminster as Blair roared into power.

Maria Eagle as SSoS for Defence!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:00 pm

Andrew Sparrow has just listed the latest appointments to the SC - think the reshuffle is now complete:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

Owen Smith MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Defence

Maria Eagle MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, Shadow Minister for the Constitutional Convention

Jon Trickett MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change

Lisa Nandy MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Transport

Lilian Greenwood MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Wales

Nia Griffith MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

Kerry McCarthy MP

Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities

Kate Green MP

Shadow Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport

Michael Dugher MP

Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Registration

Gloria De Piero MP

Shadow Minister for Mental Health

Luciana Berger MP

Shadow Attorney General

Catherine McKinnell MP

Shadow Minister without Portfolio

Jonathan Ashworth MP

Shadow Minister for Housing and Planning

John Healey MP

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:01 pm

Just for a laugh - in Huffpost's comedy section...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09 ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:02 pm

Dennis Skinner bollocks Emily Mathis, "You're not working for Murdoch"

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/643391200381272064

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Post by **refitman** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:03 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:In other news, Tony Abbott is facing a challenge to his 'leadership'

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... jm74c.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Abbott's gone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-34245005" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:04 pm

Had a look at The Times at work today. No mention of that OBR story so I guess it will be in tomorrow's paper. More importantly the Killer Sudoku was far too easy: get it sorted Rupe!

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:04 pm

Temulkar wrote:One for Roger http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/38394

May I look too, Tem? Thanks.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 14 Sep, 2015 1:05 pm

Labour’s new shadow cabinet in full
http://labourlist.org/2015/09/labours-n ... in-full-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Editing to add: I count 15 men, 16 women.