Friday 19th September 2014

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:14 pm

PorFavor wrote:Diane Abbott again, with her enormous wooden spoon.

She should really shut up, but I guess because of her ethnicity no-one likes to tell her to. I have gained the impression she's a bit sensitive. Can't blame her, but it doesn't help.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:19 pm

yahyah wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I have said plenty of harsh things about Wee Eck recently - and totally justifiably - but it is hard not to feel a *little* for him right now.

He turns 60 at the end of this year, and at the moment must feel that most of his adult life has been wasted.

(people "in the know" have said that in recent days, he genuinely thought that "yes" might win)

Agree with you.
He seems a victim of his own delusion, rather a pathetic little figure.

But unless you die, or retire with a massive approval rating like Rhodri Morgan did, what else happens to a political leader but failure & humiliation ?

Imagining being the man who brought Independence to Scotland must have tickled his ego no end. It would have been quite an achievement. One for the history books as they say. But egos that grow too big always puncture eventually.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:20 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Diane Abbott again, with her enormous wooden spoon.
She should really shut up, but I guess because of her ethnicity no-one likes to tell her to. I have gained the impression she's a bit sensitive. Can't blame her, but it doesn't help.

I was thinking that it might be because the Labour Party thinks she's an idiot and therefore, rather foolishly, assumes that everyone else will think the same and dismiss her outpourings. Your theory could well be right, though!

Post by **refitman** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:21 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Spammers at it again......
Maybe they are the best pumps in NZ.....

Squished

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:22 pm

[youtube]vsFY0wHpR5o[/youtube]

Anyone seen, or going to see Pride ?

It looks an absolute hoot, Bill Nighy as you've never seen him before, as a Welsh mining official.
We've booked to see it at Aberystwyth.
Think Let'sSkip mentioned it was filmed not far from from where she lives.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:23 pm

Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:25 pm

Dan dear, could you fix my Youtube please ?

I will get it right one day.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:26 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:27 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I have said plenty of harsh things about Wee Eck recently - and totally justifiably - but it is hard not to feel a *little* for him right now.

He turns 60 at the end of this year, and at the moment must feel that most of his adult life has been wasted.

(people "in the know" have said that in recent days, he genuinely thought that "yes" might win)

Agree with you.
He seems a victim of his own delusion, rather a pathetic little figure.

But unless you die, or retire with a massive approval rating like Rhodri Morgan did, what else happens to a political leader but failure & humiliation ?
Imagining being the man who brought Independence to Scotland must have tickled his ego no end. It would have been quite an achievement. One for the history books as they say. But egos that grow too big always puncture eventually.

As Enoch Powell once said:

All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Diane Abbott again, with her enormous wooden spoon.
She should really shut up, but I guess because of her ethnicity no-one likes to tell her to. I have gained the impression she's a bit sensitive. Can't blame her, but it doesn't help.
I was thinking that it might be because the Labour Party thinks she's an idiot and therefore, rather foolishly, assumes that everyone else will think the same and dismiss her outpourings. Your theory could well be right, though!

Honestly? You'd think the silly woman would know she's the BBC's Token Black, Token Female and Token Leftie. Three for the price of one.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:33 pm

"High Hopes after bedroom tax tribunal hearing"(held yesterday in Edinburgh ,delayed for 4-5 weeks)

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/ ... g-1.583609" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **refitman** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:34 pm

yahyah wrote:Dan dear, could you fix my Youtube please ?

I will get it right one day.

Done

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:38 pm

danesclose wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:
Agree with you.
He seems a victim of his own delusion, rather a pathetic little figure.

But unless you die, or retire with a massive approval rating like Rhodri Morgan did, what else happens to a political leader but failure & humiliation ?
Imagining being the man who brought Independence to Scotland must have tickled his ego no end. It would have been quite an achievement. One for the history books as they say. But egos that grow too big always puncture eventually.
As Enoch Powell once said:
All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs

Powell was right about something then.

mikems · Post by **mikems** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:42 pm

Here's an interesting article about the real people involved in 'Pride' (from my usual source)

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-77 ... with-Pride" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while we are already there, here's the badly underexposed, but ever excellent Soloman Hughes dealing it fast and hard to Nicholas Soames

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0d ... s-the-tone" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:46 pm

yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.

Although we're in a built up area, I have to have the bedroom windows open so there is at least some air circulating, but we have four or five close neighbours working shifts at Waitrose's distribution centre who slam car doors and run their diesel engines whilst they're leaning against the car smoking a cigarette. Or worse still have the radio on full blast before they pull in or out at uncivil hours.

I don't sleep well at any time but humid nights just about finish me off.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:47 pm

mikems wrote:Here's an interesting article about the real people involved in 'Pride' (from my usual source)

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-77 ... with-Pride" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while we are already there, here's the badly underexposed, but ever excellent Soloman Hughes dealing it fast and hard to Nicholas Soames

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0d ... s-the-tone" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for the link about Pride, interesting to read about the problems with US distributors because of the film's socialist theme.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:51 pm

Apologies if already stated but according to Ashcroft approximately 37 % Labour and 39 % LD voters,(2011)voted for independence.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:52 pm

Should have posted this last night but forgot. Oh well.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 5:59 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.
Although we're in a built up area, I have to have the bedroom windows open so there is at least some air circulating, but we have four or five close neighbours working shifts at Waitrose's distribution centre who slam car doors and run their diesel engines whilst they're leaning against the car smoking a cigarette. Or worse still have the radio on full blast before they pull in or out at uncivil hours.

I don't sleep well at any time but humid nights just about finish me off.

The wonderfully peaceful and un lit up nights are probably the biggest reason why Mr Riots and I think we will try to stay here - even when we can't manage the garden etc ourselves - if we possibly can. We often wonder where we could move to that wouldn't feel, and be, a bit of an assault on our senses which are now completely unused to human noise and interference, traffic etc. Plus Mr Riots can dance around naked and piss on the compost heap in the garden without fear of being seen and bundled off somewhere for his own good.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:00 pm

yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.

This was the thunderstorm we had in Wiltshire last night

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:02 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Diane Abbott again, with her enormous wooden spoon.
Oh gawd, what's she saying now?

Oh, you know - the usual. Ed Miliband. Collapse of Labour vote in Scotland. (All bound up with the broken deal rubbish.) The finer details tend to go in one ear and out of the other.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:03 pm

So - have I got this right?

Dave says to Ed, 'Seeing as we're so unpopular in Scotland, Labour can head the Better together campaign and here's what we can offer.'

Unhappy rumblings from many in the backbenches about the terms.

Dave takes no notice.

Campaign goes well.

No vote wins.

Less than 24 hours later, 70 Tory MPs refuse to agree the terms promised.

Dave blames Ed, Gordon, Darling and Labour for breaking their word.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:04 pm

HindleA wrote:Apologies if already stated but according to Ashcroft approximately 37 % Labour and 39 % LD voters,(2011)voted for independence.

Rubbish if you think about it.

SNP had a large percentage of the vote, they will overwhelmingly vote for independence.

There are no Tories in Scotland.

With those percentages voting yes, how did they lose?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:05 pm

danesclose wrote:
yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.
This was the thunderstorm we had in Wiltshire last night

Storm.jpg

Wow. Hardly anything here, although they had a heavy rain warning out for Bracknell.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:06 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
HindleA wrote:Apologies if already stated but according to Ashcroft approximately 37 % Labour and 39 % LD voters,(2011)voted for independence.
Rubbish if you think about it.

SNP had a large percentage of the vote, they will overwhelmingly vote for independence.

There are no Tories in Scotland.

With those percentages voting yes, how did they lose?

About 400,000 at the last election I think.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:07 pm

danesclose wrote:
yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Off topic, but after a mild thunderstorm and a little rain last night the morning was overcast and misty. Now though the sun is blazing down and the temperature is in the mid to high seventies. I had socks on last week!

We had sheet lightning last night, it was really uncomfortably humid.
Didn't help sleeping, along with the excitement of the referendum.
This was the thunderstorm we had in Wiltshire last night

Storm.jpg

That it amazing.

I'm a science dunce, wonder if the big solar storm we are having can affect lightning.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:08 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
HindleA wrote:Apologies if already stated but according to Ashcroft approximately 37 % Labour and 39 % LD voters,(2011)voted for independence.
Rubbish if you think about it.

SNP had a large percentage of the vote, they will overwhelmingly vote for independence.

There are no Tories in Scotland.

With those percentages voting yes, how did they lose?

I posted earlier. They reckoned 14 % of SNP voters, voted no. Not sure how that would affect things.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:09 pm

frightful_oik wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
HindleA wrote:Apologies if already stated but according to Ashcroft approximately 37 % Labour and 39 % LD voters,(2011)voted for independence.
Rubbish if you think about it.

SNP had a large percentage of the vote, they will overwhelmingly vote for independence.

There are no Tories in Scotland.

With those percentages voting yes, how did they lose?
About 400,000 at the last election I think.

So not statistically significant when set against the SNP vote and large percentages of Lib Dem and Labour votes.

Somebody is telling Cashcroft porkies.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:10 pm

ohsocynical wrote:So - have I got this right?

Dave says to Ed, 'Seeing as we're so unpopular in Scotland, Labour can head the Better together campaign and here's what we can offer.'

Unhappy rumblings from many in the backbenches about the terms.

Dave takes no notice.

Campaign goes well.

No vote wins.

Less than 24 hours later, 70 Tory MPs refuse to agree the terms promised.

Dave blames Ed, Gordon, Darling and Labour for breaking their word.

Seems about right. The important thing is, though, what's Nick Clegg's take on it all?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:12 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:So - have I got this right?

Dave says to Ed, 'Seeing as we're so unpopular in Scotland, Labour can head the Better together campaign and here's what we can offer.'

Unhappy rumblings from many in the backbenches about the terms.

Dave takes no notice.

Campaign goes well.

No vote wins.

Less than 24 hours later, 70 Tory MPs refuse to agree the terms promised.

Dave blames Ed, Gordon, Darling and Labour for breaking their word.
Seems about right. The important thing is, though, what's Nick Clegg's take on it all?

The last I heard he was more worried about the exterminators...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:17 pm

Not quite sure what to make of this.

Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 56s
Just got a hotel room in Birmingham city centre for nights of Sept 29th and 30th. Spare bed in room. Anyone want to share? £154 for 2 nights

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:18 pm

A recent Tweet from lightacandle

What does she mean?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:18 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Not quite sure what to make of this.

Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 56s
Just got a hotel room in Birmingham city centre for nights of Sept 29th and 30th. Spare bed in room. Anyone want to share? £154 for 2 nights

William Hague'll be up for it

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:19 pm

The Tory Conference is in Brum then btw

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:23 pm

Please, please someday help me. I know I'm a Miliband fan and may be a little blind, but what has he done wrong?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:24 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Not quite sure what to make of this.

Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 56s
Just got a hotel room in Birmingham city centre for nights of Sept 29th and 30th. Spare bed in room. Anyone want to share? £154 for 2 nights
William Hague'll be up for it

Oh you are naughty ...

Yes, I knew it was the Tory conf. But does Toby Young really need to share a hotel room ...? Who is he expecting to take him up on it? Can you think of anything worse ...? I can't.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:24 pm

ohsocynical wrote:So - have I got this right?

Dave says to Ed, 'Seeing as we're so unpopular in Scotland, Labour can head the Better together campaign and here's what we can offer.'

Unhappy rumblings from many in the backbenches about the terms.

Dave takes no notice.

Campaign goes well.

No vote wins.

Less than 24 hours later, 70 Tory MPs refuse to agree the terms promised.

Dave blames Ed, Gordon, Darling and Labour for breaking their word.

You missed the bit (after "Not vote wins") where Boris Johnson goes on the radio, is asked if Gordon Brown saved Cameron's job and immediately launches into an attack on Ed Miliband for failing to get involved in the No campaign whilst brave David Cameron has been working tirelessly for the Union.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:27 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The Tory Conference is in Brum then btw

I must remember to avoid the place, wouldn't want to get arrested for shouting obscenities.

I wonder if you could put a big enough PA system on top of the library so when Dave speaks the words Knob Head are broadcast live on the BBC.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:28 pm

Is that the same Ed M who was pretty much permanently camped in Scotland for the last week of the campaign?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:30 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Not quite sure what to make of this.

Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 56s
Just got a hotel room in Birmingham city centre for nights of Sept 29th and 30th. Spare bed in room. Anyone want to share? £154 for 2 nights

Tory Party conference. Rustinpeace is there too so he tells us. Ironic really since he's far more a party drone than the people he regularly accuses of being on the other side.

Why on earth would anyone want to share a room with him?

*shudder*

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:30 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A recent Tweet from lightacandle

What does she mean?

I think she means that Labour have been conned (the agreed common front with DevoDave). And thus they (Labour), in turn, naively helped the Conservatives out by colluding in said con perpetrated, by extension, on the Scots.Thus securing a "No" vote which got DC's chestnuts out of the fire. I think.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:31 pm

Mehdi Hasan is having a go at Labour now as well.

I really, really am not getting it. Sure the No campaign could have been better but Labour never even wanted the sodding referendum in the first place.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:33 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Not quite sure what to make of this.

Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 56s
Just got a hotel room in Birmingham city centre for nights of Sept 29th and 30th. Spare bed in room. Anyone want to share? £154 for 2 nights
Tory Party conference. Rustinpeace is there too so he tells us. Ironic really since he's far more a party drone than the people he regularly accuses of being on the other side.

Why on earth would anyone want to share a room with him?

*shudder*

I just assumed it was a desperate plea for sex from an unloved ugly and genuinely loathsome individual.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:36 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A recent Tweet from lightacandle

What does she mean?
I think she means that Labour have been conned (the agreed common front with DevoDave). And thus they (Labour), in turn, naively helped the Conservatives out by colluding in said con perpetrated, by extension, on the Scots.Thus securing a "No" vote which got DC's chestnuts out of the fire. I think.

Thanks. Well I think she's being short sighted.

Or did she never notice that Labour is a unionist party? What else can Miliband possibly do or have done?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:39 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Is that the same Ed M who was pretty much permanently camped in Scotland for the last week of the campaign?

We know the Tories want to make it all about Ed Miliband but fact remains that a fair number of Labour MP have been working tirelessly for the Better Together campaign and party members were deployed as canvassers etc. Compare that to the effort put into the No Campaign by the Government, who effectively stayed in hiding when it was their job and responsibility as the Government to make the case for the Union.

Labour were there on the ground, actually doing something. Can the same be said for the Conservatives?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:40 pm

Sorry I'm spitting mad.

Dave hasn't the slightest chance of getting his "nonsense with stilts on" as someone has described it through Parliament.

Labour can just keep saying they honour the "vow" and they will honour it. And gently point out that you can't suddenly change a "vow" a few days later.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:40 pm

Not quite sure what to make of this:

Jonathan Simons retweeted
Robert Colvile @rcolvile · 9h
Breaking: @Policy_Exchange appoint @davidfrum as chairman to replace @Dannythefink

David Frum?

Who on earth would they want someone from across the pond unless there was some idea of a tie-up with an American thinktank? presumably he'll be a fixture on Newsnight from now on to replace Finkelstein

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:42 pm

A bit more sense on this from the FT

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/ce926718-3ffe ... z3DmhW4xAj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:43 pm

Spacedone wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Is that the same Ed M who was pretty much permanently camped in Scotland for the last week of the campaign?
We know the Tories want to make it all about Ed Miliband but fact remains that a fair number of Labour MP have been working tirelessly for the Better Together campaign and party members were deployed as canvassers etc. Compare that to the effort put into the No Campaign by the Government, who effectively stayed in hiding when it was their job and responsibility as the Government to make the case for the Union.

Labour were there on the ground, actually doing something. Can the same be said for the Conservatives?

Not really, although to be fair to the Scottish Tory leader she put on a good show. Tough gig being lumbered with a twat like Dave.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Sep, 2014 6:49 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sorry I'm spitting mad.

Dave hasn't the slightest chance of getting his "nonsense with stilts on" as someone has described it through Parliament.

Labour can just keep saying they honour the "vow" and they will honour it. And gently point out that you can't suddenly change a "vow" a few days later.

Exactly. As I said earlier, it's DC whose broken the "vow". He's dumped it and replaced it with a load of old cods.