Saturday 3rd October & Sunday 4th October 2015

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 7:09 am

Morning all.

That IDS piece in the Guardian is shocking, fawning uncritically. Typical lefties.

The BBC news app top headlines are currently

UK accuses Russia over Syria airstrikes - based on an interview Fallon gave the Sun. Jesus wept.

Aid workers die in Afghan city bombing - I'm sure it'd be the same headline if the Russian's had said they might be to blame.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 8:53 am

Morning.

Just read last night's thread and about Boris Johnson boasting about extracting £93m from Osborne by means of his overpaid Telegraph ~~propaganda~~ column.

Just looked up the following definitions of words which sprang to mind.

Corruption - dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.

Extortion (also called shakedown, outwrestling, and exaction) is a criminal offense of obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion.

Theft Act 1968 Blackmail.
A person is guilty of blackmail if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces; and for this purpose a demand with menaces is unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief—
(a)that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand; and
(b)that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 8:56 am

"Business as usual"

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 9:16 am

Morning. That adrenaline filled hellish night in the killing fields we experienced ... features large in the Mirror. Front page on the print copy apparently. Just about every bio security and safety guideline ignored.

Badger killers caught in the act as animals massacred in British countryside
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ba ... ls-6562872" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 9:28 am

And just in case anyone was secretly thinking - hmm, that Zac Goldsmith seems like a thoroughly decent ecologically sound chappy ...

: Zac Goldsmith on Hunting Act.jpg (51.46 KiB) Viewed 8445 times

https://www.facebook.com/stop.the.cull" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyone living in London who gets an opportunity to ask questions of him at a hustings .... please take the opportunity to ask him for his views on hunting.

Editing to add: I am told that he has apparently since changed his views on hunting ... but as someone else said it's hard to trust a U turn when it coincides with needing votes. So I'd still like to hear a clear public statement from him to say he is against hunting and badger culls.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 9:31 am

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Yes, the clue is there in the credits -

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 9:37 am

ohsocynical wrote:
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Yes, the clue is there in the credits -

Dear oh dear - I found myself frothing like a Ukipper - 'send him back to his own country'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:00 am

Private Eye Magazine ‏@PrivateEyeNews 23h23 hours ago

Better Belize it... US justice department puts spotlight on Ashcroft’s tax haven bank

http://bit.ly/1L8tAf9

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:02 am

Britain's nuclear submarines are "completely useless" against modern warfare, and the £20bn spent on renewing them is a waste of money, retired senior military officers said yesterday.

The former head of the armed forces Field Marshal Lord Bramall, backed by two senior generals, argued that the huge sums being spent on replacing the delapidated submarines that carry the Trident ballistic missiles could be better used to buy conventional weapons which are badly needed by the armed forces.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/ ... are_btn_tw

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:07 am

Sorry for the source ... and their reporting style.

Cameron's back-to-work scheme for 'troubled families' has cost £26,000 for each claimant who took a job
Cameron's Troubled Families scheme has cost £448million in three years
But it has steered just 17,000 benefit claimants into work during that period
That equates to cost of more than £26,000 for each claimant who took a job
It would've been cheaper for taxpayers to maintain their family on handouts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... k-job.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... The Prime Minister has lavished praise on the scheme, which he said this summer was a ‘real Government success’ that had ‘tackled worklessness, addiction, truancy and anti-social behaviour’.
But a Department of Work and Pensions assessment found that, of 101,000 people on benefits who had been singled out by the scheme, only 27,000 started a job.

More than a third of those soon dropped out of work, with just 17,000 managing to keep a job for three months – the period regarded as ‘a sustained job outcome’ for most of those involved.
There is no guarantee that they stayed in work longer.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:12 am

I missed this from a few days ago - so sorry if you've already discussed it. Glad he's probably going to get some come uppance for this.

Tory peer Lord Hanningfield has been charged with expenses fraud after allegedly claiming £3,300 in full-day allowances while spending less than 40 minutes in parliament.
The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed today that the 75-year-old, whose real name is Paul White, has been charged with false accounting in relation to claims submitted in July 2013 for the £300 daily allowance at the House of Lords.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ament.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:28 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

That IDS piece in the Guardian is shocking, fawning uncritically. Typical lefties.

The BBC news app top headlines are currently

UK accuses Russia over Syria airstrikes - based on an interview Fallon gave the Sun. Jesus wept.

Aid workers die in Afghan city bombing - I'm sure it'd be the same headline if the Russian's had said they might be to blame.

Is that the same UK government who only wanted to use "good" bombs on Syria, that would only have harmed "bad" people?? Or whatever

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:36 am

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/o ... s-terminal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More than 100 refugees and migrants storm French terminal in what officials describe as an organised attack

This is getting ridiculous. Why doesn't the UK government simply get together with French authorities and sort this situation out. By not allowing them to apply for asylum in the UK from Calais, we're just encouraging them to try to get into the UK illegally by dangerous means. We hear about those who are sadly unsuccessful, but how many are succeeding and disappearing into the shadow economy? Surely it's better for society for all newcomers to be here legally, working and making a life for themselves legally, than coming here anyway but working and living illegally and profiting criminals rather than the economy.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:54 am

17% subject to the programme were in work(on their definition of being on an out of work benefit),according to a July 2014 DCLG report,page 10

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... perimental" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 10:58 am

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/o ... ston-spoof" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BBC heavyweights in spoof plea to make Robert Peston stay

I can't quite get my head around this story. Am I right in thinking these supposed stalwarts of the BBC have clubbed together to take the piss out of Robert Peston? Like playground bullies? Or is the whole article a spoof? Clearly Peston has upset the BBC with his impartial questioning of Tory government activities, as he came in for Labour leader style treatment on HIGNFY last night for not wearing a tie. As everyone laughed at his disheveled appearance, the challenging question he posed to Osborne was studiously ignored. I hope he does go to ITV and goes up against Marr, he might just bring some much needed balance back into British political debate.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:00 am

On Facebook I've just found a photo of Mr Ohso's eleven years old great niece in America, with a dead deer. Her first kill.

The comment I posted will guarantee a lot of unfollows. Fuck 'em.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:01 am

It was on PM last night.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:02 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:I missed this from a few days ago - so sorry if you've already discussed it. Glad he's probably going to get some come uppance for this.

Tory peer Lord Hanningfield has been charged with expenses fraud after allegedly claiming £3,300 in full-day allowances while spending less than 40 minutes in parliament.
The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed today that the 75-year-old, whose real name is Paul White, has been charged with false accounting in relation to claims submitted in July 2013 for the £300 daily allowance at the House of Lords.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ament.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good. He is, or was, also leader of Essex County Council. There were allegations of fraud in relation to that role too, but I think they were dropped.

Of course, he was previously convicted and spent a time in prison. After he was released he gave some interviews (including one to the Graun IIRC) claiming he was now a reformed character and learned a fair amount from his spell at HM's pleasure. Hmmm, maybe not so much it seems.......

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:12 am

University of Reading deducted student deposits for clearing up vomit
Students staying at halls of residence last year had nearly £116,000 deducted from their deposits for damage and cleaning costs after they left

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... s-10185282

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:24 am

Morning all. Can't wait for the big match today. I reckon we'll give Brentford a sound thrashing. Sorry, rugby overload from reading the Torygraph.

Anyway, it would seem that Phillip Hammond lacks a sense of irony in this interview:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... stage.html

What. A.

.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:25 am

Tenuous link,happened to go to Reading University and stayed at a Halls, a couple of years running for Maths courses OU Summer Schools,it was a means to access a computer,that is how long ago it was.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:31 am

Might be worth keeping an eye on this site.

http://labourrebuttal.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:34 am

HindleA wrote:Tenuous link,happened to go to Reading University and stayed at a Halls, a couple of years running for Maths courses OU Summer Schools,it was a means to access a computer,that is how long ago it was.

We lived for thirty years in a road near the University. If you're our son's age, we were probably there at the same time.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:36 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Morning. That adrenaline filled hellish night in the killing fields we experienced ... features large in the Mirror. Front page on the print copy apparently. Just about every bio security and safety guideline ignored.

Badger killers caught in the act as animals massacred in British countryside
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ba ... ls-6562872" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Armed persons with .22 calibre rifles sent out at night in Gloucestershire with a £100 bounty incentive for killing badgers
It's insane and reads like parody.
Tory government demonstrate how not to prevent bovine tuberculosis.
Barbarous, unwarranted, dangerous, ineffectual and expensive
According to the information in the article, the badger cull has cost £4.49m (excluding delay costs)
588 badgers have been shot dead
£7,800 ≈ cost of killing one badger

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:36 am

Good-morning, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:48 am

ohsocynical wrote:
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Yes, the clue is there in the credits -

The first thing I saw was the alarming name of Lynton Crosby as Editorial Advisor.
My sole consolation is that I spotted it quickly.
An aside - put Lynton Crosby's name into an Internet search engine - he's identified as a 'Strategist'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 11:53 am

Zac Goldsmith's voting record...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24911/ ... park/votes

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 12:02 pm

Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK Sep 22

Text from David Cameron: "Having a shit week, to be honest". Quite.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 12:39 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
bbc.jpg

Yes, the clue is there in the credits -
The first thing I saw was the alarming name of Lynton Crosby as Editorial Advisor.
My sole consolation is that I spotted it quickly.
An aside - put Lynton Crosby's name into an Internet search engine - he's identified as a 'Strategist'.

To be fair it's probably photoshopped as most anti-goverment photos are on Twitter.

It's believable though...Just the sort of thing we expect of the BBC these days.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 12:44 pm

Following on from my by-election review yesterday, have had a little snippet in another place re one of the contests (in Fife)

This saw the biggest Labour-SNP swing in recent weeks - a spy on the ground suggests that this is not unconnected with the Labour candidate being a strong defender of travellers rights, and the Nats busily running scare campaigns against the possibility of local sites being set up for them.

Yup, that left wing inclusive anti-racist SNP again.......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 12:49 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Zac Goldsmith's voting record...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24911/ ... park/votes

I posted the link below because it's every vote Zac Goldsmith attended and voted on in one page.

Voting Record — Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park (24911)
Votes Attended

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn ... #divisions

Zac Goldmith voted loyally with his Tory party on all the Health and Social Care Bills, making the Health and Social Care Act 2012 law.
Loyal Tory Goldsmith

Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park voted not to add proposed exclusions from a reduction in housing benefits due to being deemed to have excess bedrooms.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.p ... se=commons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just one example in a five year voting history of materially damaging social security provisions for people who don't have the Goldsmith's advantages. Nothing wrong with getting born wealthy. It's a disgraceful shame to support legislation needlessly imposing hardship on people who are not wealthy. That's what Goldsmith has done.

Yesterday, I was asked about a post I'd written about Goldsmith. I wrote Goldsmith is a 'spoiled puppy' and a 'dilettante' because his wealthy family is financing his London Mayoral election campaign and his environmental convictions waver. He turn tails, changes his mind in order to satisfy personal ambition. Goldsmith recently married a member of the Rothschild family, very successful bankers that familial dynasty. Goldsmith and his heiress wife share common ancestry. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with marrying a Rothschild heiress either. Rothschild support for Goldsmith's London mayoral campaign. Goldsmith wants to be mayor of London. Bankers and London and Rothschild and Goldsmith.

How many social housing tenants have been displaced in London alone, Zac Goldsmith, thanks to your Tory party legislation? I don't like wealthy people who actively cause harm to those who aren't wealthy through their political action. Goldsmith is one.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 1:02 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Zac Goldsmith's voting record...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24911/ ... park/votes
I posted the link below because it's every vote Zac Goldsmith attended and voted on in one page.
Voting Record — Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park (24911)
Votes Attended

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn ... #divisions
Zac Goldmith voted loyally with his Tory party on all the Health and Social Care Bills, making the Health and Social Care Act 2012 law.
Loyal Tory Goldsmith
Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park voted not to add proposed exclusions from a reduction in housing benefits due to being deemed to have excess bedrooms.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.p ... se=commons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just one example in a five year voting history of materially damaging social security provisions for people who don't have the Goldsmith's advantages. Nothing wrong with getting born wealthy. It's a disgraceful shame to support legislation needlessly imposing hardship on people who are not wealthy. That's what Goldsmith has done.

Yesterday, I was asked about a post I'd written about Goldsmith. I wrote Goldsmith is a 'spoiled puppy' and a 'dilettante' because his wealthy family is financing his London Mayoral election campaign and his environmental convictions waver. He turn tails, changes his mind in order to satisfy personal ambition. Goldsmith recently married a member of the Rothschild family, very successful bankers that familial dynasty. Goldsmith and his heiress wife share common ancestry. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with marrying a Rothschild heiress either. Rothschild support for Goldsmith's London mayoral campaign. Goldsmith wants to be mayor of London. Bankers and London and Rothschild and Goldsmith.

How many social housing tenants have been displaced in London alone, Zac Goldsmith, thanks to your Tory party legislation? I don't like wealthy people who actively cause harm to those who aren't wealthy through their political action. Goldsmith is one.

I hope Londoners get the chance to see his voting record on some of the things that affect them the most. But then Boris is so Tory it's beyond belief and isn't exactly squeaky clean, but they still voted him in.

There's none so strange as folk.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 1:22 pm

Have your say on the future of our BBC

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/surve ... nsultation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 1:49 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Following on from my by-election review yesterday, have had a little snippet in another place re one of the contests (in Fife)

This saw the biggest Labour-SNP swing in recent weeks - a spy on the ground suggests that this is not unconnected with the Labour candidate being a strong defender of travellers rights, and the Nats busily running scare campaigns against the possibility of local sites being set up for them.

Yup, that left wing inclusive anti-racist SNP again.......

We've had similar from our left wing inclusive anti racist Welsh Nats.
Some Plaid people in Cardiff were stirring up feelings against a big new housing project by scaremongering about an influx of 'English benefit claimants'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 1:52 pm

Christmas Countdown ‏@christmas_clock 6 hrs6 hours ago

Only 11 Fridays until #Christmas

Here you go PF.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 1:53 pm

Bah humbug

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:00 pm

Goodness. Manchester is an exciting place to be this weekend. All sorts of protests converging on the Tory conference.

Wonder if it'll be on the main BBC news page? If it's anythng like the huge NHS rally last year, then no...

Tizme1 · Post by **Tizme1** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:17 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Zac Goldsmith's voting record...

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24911/ ... park/votes
I posted the link below because it's every vote Zac Goldsmith attended and voted on in one page.
Voting Record — Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park (24911)
Votes Attended

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn ... #divisions
Zac Goldmith voted loyally with his Tory party on all the Health and Social Care Bills, making the Health and Social Care Act 2012 law.
Loyal Tory Goldsmith
Zac Goldsmith MP, Richmond Park voted not to add proposed exclusions from a reduction in housing benefits due to being deemed to have excess bedrooms.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.p ... se=commons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just one example in a five year voting history of materially damaging social security provisions for people who don't have the Goldsmith's advantages. Nothing wrong with getting born wealthy. It's a disgraceful shame to support legislation needlessly imposing hardship on people who are not wealthy. That's what Goldsmith has done.

Yesterday, I was asked about a post I'd written about Goldsmith. I wrote Goldsmith is a 'spoiled puppy' and a 'dilettante' because his wealthy family is financing his London Mayoral election campaign and his environmental convictions waver. He turn tails, changes his mind in order to satisfy personal ambition. Goldsmith recently married a member of the Rothschild family, very successful bankers that familial dynasty. Goldsmith and his heiress wife share common ancestry. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with marrying a Rothschild heiress either. Rothschild support for Goldsmith's London mayoral campaign. Goldsmith wants to be mayor of London. Bankers and London and Rothschild and Goldsmith.

How many social housing tenants have been displaced in London alone, Zac Goldsmith, thanks to your Tory party legislation? I don't like wealthy people who actively cause harm to those who aren't wealthy through their political action. Goldsmith is one.

Thanks Ohso and JA. Thanks also for your reply yesterday JA - didn't get a chance to get back to you. Plenty in his voting record to condemn him though merely being a Tory is enough really. I have heard some people say there was a time when it was thought he'd join the Greens. If that is true I'm bloody glad he didn't! Or maybe he tried and we turned him down. It would be nice to think so.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:25 pm

Looks like Ashcroft's going for Cameron's PR image of being happily married.

Mail headline today:
Samantha Cameron left furious over 'untrue smear against her marriage' to husband David in Lord Ashcroft's bombshell biography of the PM
Mrs Cameron says the book contains an old rumour about their marriage
It is due to be published on Monday in Lord Ashcroft's book Call Me Dave

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:27 pm

We'll have to wait and see what the allegations are but interesting that Tory spin is presenting ever fragrant Sam as being put out about it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:52 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Goodness. Manchester is an exciting place to be this weekend. All sorts of protests converging on the Tory conference.

Wonder if it'll be on the main BBC news page? If it's anythng like the huge NHS rally last year, then no...

I'm not happy the Tory conference is in Manchester.
Manchester is a nice place.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:55 pm

HindleA wrote:Bah humbug

I keep meaning to ask you - what do you mean "lowering the tone even further"?

Bloody cheeky sod! We're all from the top drawer here, you know.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 2:55 pm

Good morfternoon.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:03 pm

Tizme1 wrote:Thanks Ohso and JA. Thanks also for your reply yesterday JA - didn't get a chance to get back to you. Plenty in his voting record to condemn him though merely being a Tory is enough really. I have heard some people say there was a time when it was thought he'd join the Greens. If that is true I'm bloody glad he didn't! Or maybe he tried and we turned him down. It would be nice to think so.

I wish he'd change his mind, his party and make a clean break with that which isn't good for himself, others and the world.
It can happen.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:04 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:Bah humbug
I keep meaning to ask you - what do you mean "lowering the tone even further"?

Bloody cheeky sod! We're all from the top drawer here, you know.

No, I'm a hick.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:13 pm

yahyah wrote:We'll have to wait and see what the allegations are but interesting that Tory spin is presenting ever fragrant Sam as being put out about it.

Apropos of nothing...
Samantha Cameron is an extraordinary looking woman, in my opinion.
Her beauty is fascinating to me though not conventional.
I know very little about her and don't wish to, particularly.
I'll not mention this topic here again.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:16 pm

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Tory backdrop for this year's conference.

I had to reduce it a bit to get it to fit.

Gave me a laugh though.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:18 pm

I don't share your awe of her 'beauty' JA.
To me all that doe eyed stuff is a put up job, as is the embarrassing gawping at her husband, treating him as if he had found a cure for cancer in kittens.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:52 pm

i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 3:58 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there

No, it's just that they like a challenge (given their grasp of geography regarding anywhere north of Esher).