Thursday 8th October 2015

Post by **refitman** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:11 am

Morning all.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:21 am

Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 7:55 am

Good morning.

Not to be entirely honest I've had nightmares thanks to seeingclearly but luckily some scenes are less clear than others. Nevertheless why was I singled out for such a delicate task? Hopefully such horrors in the light of day are more likely to raise a smile than send you scurrying for cover...

Theresa awarded George one of her renowned shoe shopping trips valued at £17,500 for services to the Tory Party, but is now regretting such benevolence and feeling something of a sour puss. He was last seen seizing her kitten heels mantle by walking tall and strutting his stuff before admiring crowds in Manchester. Not wishing to be outdone as Dave eyes up his successor, Theresa joined Boris and George in a touch of man-spreading before him. 'And who would want to be in his shoes? Rumour has it that unlike IDS Theresa has never claimed expenses for undergarments, so let's hope she was wearing trousers. But let's not go there, I mean, have you seen her face recently?

Talking of eyefuls, David has been raising the hopes of other female challengers this week by seeking their company and speaking of equal opportunities. Priti Patel has been putting herself about, Nicky Morgan has thrown her hat into the ring and now I hear that Anna Sowbry, or something like that, has lost her head and made an appearance before him.

Edit: inserted 'to' into 'Not be entirely honest'

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 8:28 am

This Privy Council nonsense in the DT: just heard on R4 of all places that it took TCC three months to offiicially join when he became leader of the opposition. Double standards in the Telegraph or what?
Morning all.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 8:49 am

Morning all.

Listening to Today I was surprised to hear the position put forward that anyone accused of historical child abuse shouldn't be a priority if they are deemed not to be a risk anymore. What.The.Fuck.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 8:50 am

frightful_oik wrote:This Privy Council nonsense in the DT: just heard on R4 of all places that it took TCC three months to offiicially join when he became leader of the opposition. Double standards in the Telegraph or what?
Morning all.

Yes, I heard that - I don't recall the cries of outrage at that point.

What a pile of nonsense - who the hell cared about the PC before this anyway? Only a handful of the six hundred members ever turn up so it's largely ceremonial but all of a sudden we're supposed to actually give a damn about it.

Morning all.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 8:57 am

Decent piece by Seamus Milne:

Cameron isn’t colonising the centre. That’s fraudulent spin
Tories pose as progressives as they lurch to the right. But posturing can’t mask people’s own experience

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/com ... ives-right" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And for all his talk of a northern economic powerhouse, even Osborne conceded in Manchester that he didn’t know “if it will work”. The only other concrete expression of the supposed Tory pitch to the centre is the plan to increase the minimum wage to £9 an hour by 2020 for over 25-year-olds.

But since the only aim of the rise is to allow a far more savage cut in tax credits that will leave 3 million low-paid working families £1,300 a year worse off, while corporation and inheritance taxes have been slashed for the wealthiest, it hardly qualifies as any sort of shift to the political centre.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:10 am

Good morfternoon.

This is as good as it's going to get for Cameron – and he knows it
Polly Toynbee

‘The NHS safe because of us’ was just one boast unwinding as he spoke. Secretly he must wish he could quit right now (Guardian)

Good article, in my opinion, by Polly Toynbee.

But, in many ways, David Cameron himself is rather an irrelevance if he isn't to front the Conservatives at the next General Election. Time to draw up a "hit-list" of the possible successors - but carefully. Concentrate too much on the wrong people and it could all backfire horribly.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... e-knows-it

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:20 am

A body language lesson gone wrong: why is George Osborne standing like Beyoncé? (Guardian)

I thought he was modelling himself on the children's plasticine TV character Morph. Which upsets me a bit. I liked Morph.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... 7/who-told

Edited to correct link

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:30 am

As it is Radio 4's poetry day I spent all of three minutes on composing some limerick doggerel for the occasion.

There was an idealist called Corbyn
Who was told he shouldn't be voted in.
But elected he was, to a standing ovation
Swiftly followed by defamation
And oodles of Blairite a-grumpin'.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:32 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth

Have a good trip.
Be thankful you weren't there the other week or Osborne would have flogged you off to the Chinese.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:38 am

Hallo Campers!

As your resident fashionista, I can inform you all that this season's colour is violet. So says Vogue, and it is nevah evah wrong!

SamCam was wearing a red frock (Whistles, £150) which confused me. Is she a Corbynista in disguise? How very last season.

Watching the Tories at play en masse, it seems the violet message simply hasn't got through, does it? A sea of navy blue, royal blue, true blue, and grey - grey suits, grey hair, grey skin, grey grey grey.......

Even Theresa got it wrong! Navy Roland Mouret - the "Bitzer" dress, a snip at £1,395 - and......ORDINARY SHOES!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!

I am deeply unimpressed by this. Apart from one chap in a tartan suit (oh dear) it was all a bit meh.

Next - Ephie explains why vests (M&S thermal, £12.50) are the must-have for the winter.
Think David Gandy. In a vest. PHHWWOOOAAARRRR!!!!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 9:50 am

Fat chance of Tories adopting violet to wear Ephie.

In colour psychology, violet relates to spirituality and is said to stimulate imagination and inspire high ideals.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:04 am

ephemerid wrote: Apart from one chap in a tartan suit (oh dear)

I've just had a vision of ex Tory MP & alleged child abuser Nicholas Fairburn.

On that note good morning all.
Hopefully we can have a day with fewer DFH impressions on the board?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:08 am

danesclose wrote:
ephemerid wrote: Apart from one chap in a tartan suit (oh dear)
I've just had a vision of ex Tory MP & alleged child abuser Nicholas Fairburn.

On that note good morning all.
Hopefully we can have a day with fewer DFH impressions on the board?

I'm sure we can. But today is not that day.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:12 am

yahyah wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth
Have a good trip.
Be thankful you weren't there the other week or Osborne would have flogged you off to the Chinese.

At CDG and everything gone swimmingly so far......I may have been extremely unfair to Air France - to be honest my original post was exceedingly unfair to them as I assume 90% of their baggage arrives with the passenger....whereas 99.999% of what comes out of the mouth of TCC is a lie

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:18 am

danesclose wrote:
ephemerid wrote: Apart from one chap in a tartan suit (oh dear)
I've just had a vision of ex Tory MP & alleged child abuser Nicholas Fairburn.

On that note good morning all.
Hopefully we can have a day with fewer DFH impressions on the board?

Amen to that.

Criticising the present leader of the Labour party for what he says and does is fine (Tubby's posts last night for instance - in reply to those, it now seems JC may be taking a break hence no formal statement from him yesterday) What irks people is predicting utter doom with total certainty way into the future

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:28 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth

As long as you aren't changing at CDG everything should be fine.

Oh dear, well best of luck.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:35 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth
As long as you aren't changing at CDG everything should be fine.

Oh dear, well best of luck.

I am there now TE...the transfer from T2F to T2E was as smooth as anything (didn't have to redo security....are you listening Heathrow?)

I have never had a lost bag at CDG to be honest - mainly it is the terrible transfers that do for me. LHR is another matter....they have managed to lose it 3 times

If this trip goes well then LHR will be back to top in my list of 'Shite Airports'

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 10:55 am

Morning.

I don't think anyone should ever again use the term "mature democracy" to describe the UK. It is making its way through the kindergarten, heading for the sandpit and at this rate probably won't stop even when it reaches the pushchair.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 11:07 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth

bondye vwayaj avèk ou

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 11:07 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning from Geneva Airport.....off to China via Paris for work

As using Air France chances of me and bag arriving in the same place at the same time can be measured in the same order of magnitude as Cameron telling the truth
As long as you aren't changing at CDG everything should be fine.

Oh dear, well best of luck.

I am there now TE...the transfer from T2F to T2E was as smooth as anything (didn't have to redo security....are you listening Heathrow?)

I have never had a lost bag at CDG to be honest - mainly it is the terrible transfers that do for me. LHR is another matter....they have managed to lose it 3 times

If this trip goes well then LHR will be back to top in my list of 'Shite Airports'

Glad to hear it has gone well. CDG has (or used to have) that annoying gate security thing, but it seems to be a symptom of European airports. I had assumed your issue was transfer time, the distances and the fact they seem to make limited allowances for all of the above.

To LHR add LAX ( grim) and Atlanta where you used to have to go back through security and re-check your baggage to get out of the airport after clearing customs. Haven't been there for a few years so perhaps it is different.

Safe travels.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 11:15 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote: As long as you aren't changing at CDG everything should be fine.

Oh dear, well best of luck.

I am there now TE...the transfer from T2F to T2E was as smooth as anything (didn't have to redo security....are you listening Heathrow?)

I have never had a lost bag at CDG to be honest - mainly it is the terrible transfers that do for me. LHR is another matter....they have managed to lose it 3 times

If this trip goes well then LHR will be back to top in my list of 'Shite Airports'
Glad to hear it has gone well. CDG has (or used to have) that annoying gate security thing, but it seems to be a symptom of European airports. I had assumed your issue was transfer time, the distances and the fact they seem to make limited allowances for all of the above.

To LHR add LAX ( grim) and Atlanta where you used to have to go back through security and re-check your baggage to get out of the airport after clearing customs. Haven't been there for a few years so perhaps it is different.

Safe travels.

Thanks TE

I was originally given a 45 min change by work travel agent but swapped it to 3 hours. I am a crap traveller (although I do it a lot) and always have to be there well before time....

Luckily travelling business so can sit in the lounge on the computer.....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 11:56 am

New Heathrow Airport third runway photos show scale of huge development

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... y-10217141" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:08 pm

@ohsocynical

I was beginning to think that everyone was on a slow boat to China!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:11 pm

There was a sudden surge of interest in the city of Dundee on Thursday morning as photos of a slightly unusual newspaper headline did the rounds on so (Independent)

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/d ... bJ8AjVQUDg

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:15 pm

John Bull ‏@larrymeath 2 mins2 minutes ago Manchester, England

The boy stood on the burning deck
Feeling rather silly
When up his leg a flame did shoot
And burnt him on the willy.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:16 pm

For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a glimpse of a young Jeremy Corbyn & one or 2 of a young Mandleson. But of most interest to me was the name calling at Labour conferences. Yep, those who did not agree with the left of the party were yelled at and called "tories" - how times don't change.
I'd love to know (and its not discussed in the film) what caused that sudden run on the £? The name Walker Slater is in the back of my mind but not at all sure if there is any connection.
Anyway Denis is funny & hard and comes across over the many years covered as a genuine person. Love his description of David Owen! (near the end)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:20 pm

John Bull ‏@larrymeath 10 mins10 minutes ago Manchester, England

"The boy stood on the burning deck
His feet were covered in blisters
He'd burnt the socks right off his feet
And had to wear his sister's."

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:21 pm

Better than discussing politics...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:32 pm

This one never fails to raise a titter for me -

The Termite
by Ogden Nash

Some primal termite knocked on wood
And tasted it, and found it good!
And that is why your Cousin May
Fell through the parlor floor today.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 12:41 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a glimpse of a young Jeremy Corbyn & one or 2 of a young Mandleson. But of most interest to me was the name calling at Labour conferences. Yep, those who did not agree with the left of the party were yelled at and called "tories" - how times don't change.
I'd love to know (and its not discussed in the film) what caused that sudden run on the £? The name Walker Slater is in the back of my mind but not at all sure if there is any connection.
Anyway Denis is funny & hard and comes across over the many years covered as a genuine person. Love his description of David Owen! (near the end)

I can remember the early 80s quite well. Things were a lot worse within the Labour party back then than now, however you look at it.

Come to think of it, whatever the unpleasantness outside the Tory conference this week (and I genuinely appreciate many will not have found it a nice experience) it pales into comparison with the great anti-racist/pro NF-BNP battles (sometimes almost literally) back in the day. Or the miners strike. Or even the poll tax protests.

Once upon a time, many journalists would have understood all this regardless of their own personal politics.

Not now - we mostly have a bunch of immature mewling narcissists, who are also doing their best to infantilise the rest of us

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:07 pm

Clive Lewis on Momentum:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/el ... r-politics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:14 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a glimpse of a young Jeremy Corbyn & one or 2 of a young Mandleson. But of most interest to me was the name calling at Labour conferences. Yep, those who did not agree with the left of the party were yelled at and called "tories" - how times don't change.
I'd love to know (and its not discussed in the film) what caused that sudden run on the £? The name Walker Slater is in the back of my mind but not at all sure if there is any connection.
Anyway Denis is funny & hard and comes across over the many years covered as a genuine person. Love his description of David Owen! (near the end)

Were those on the left of the party called mad bastards and Trots back then too ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:26 pm

The Hunt file: doctors' dossier of patients 'put at risk' by health secretary

Medics compile list of names whose lives, they say, were put in danger because they were misled by Jeremy Hunt into thinking hospitals do not provide 24/7 care (Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... -secretary

Anyway, back to the important, life-threatening stuff -

Labour plays down Jeremy Corbyn's failure to attend privy council (Guardian)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:28 pm

Moved the post to the Features & Analysis section of FlyTheNest

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:33 pm

PorFavor wrote:
The Hunt file: doctors' dossier of patients 'put at risk' by health secretary

Medics compile list of names whose lives, they say, were put in danger because they were misled by Jeremy Hunt into thinking hospitals do not provide 24/7 care (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... -secretary

Thanks for the link to the NHS article.
It's not front page news.

Doctors are compiling a dossier of patients whose health they say has been endangered because the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has misled the public into thinking that hospitals do not provide 24/7 care.

Good.
Document, document, document.
Guilty as charged verdict.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:37 pm

yahyah wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a glimpse of a young Jeremy Corbyn & one or 2 of a young Mandleson. But of most interest to me was the name calling at Labour conferences. Yep, those who did not agree with the left of the party were yelled at and called "tories" - how times don't change.
I'd love to know (and its not discussed in the film) what caused that sudden run on the £? The name Walker Slater is in the back of my mind but not at all sure if there is any connection.
Anyway Denis is funny & hard and comes across over the many years covered as a genuine person. Love his description of David Owen! (near the end)

Were those on the left of the party called mad bastards and Trots back then too ?

I'm not sure why the need for the passive aggression.
The film / program is of interest to anyone who is part of the Labour movement. It's dedicated to Denis, a tribute to him following his death. His "life at the top" was part of the left / right split that occurred in the 80's so obviously some of that features, I found the parallels to today interesting in that those seen to be on the right were called tories - just as they are today. I think militant were called trots, and that too has parallels to today.
I enjoyed it and thought others here might also be interested in Labours past leader's and history.

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:38 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Viewing figures:
Denis Healey = 0.6 million
That cooking programme = 13 million

A fine example of the state of the electorate's interest in politics (of any age).

Good afternoon.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:41 pm

Cameron's rant against "local authorities running schools" also contained this:

https://www.tes.com/news/school-news/br ... conference" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4. David Cameron really doesn’t like local councils...

Perhaps he had his library card revoked once, or maybe he brought the wrong type of utility bill for proof of address when applying for resident parking. Whatever the reason, the prime minister does not like local authorities, at least not when it comes to running schools. Thanks to his party’s reforms, heads were “throwing off the shackles of local council control”, he said. Under his watch, every school would become an academy, he said, before adding: “And yes, local authorities running schools is a thing of the past."

OK, a quick download of the latest Schools In England Excel file reveals the following to the end of August.

LA Maintained (Community/Foundation)...........10,392
Academies / Free Schools..............................5,016

Given that there was about 200 academies at the time of the 2010 election, that implies that the DfE have to go twice as fast in converting schools to academies as they've managed so far.

In 2014/5 the number converted/sponsored was 721. They'd need to do 2,000 every year. More if Cameron gave up in 2018/9

And this ignores the 5,000+ that are Voluntary Aided / Controlled (church schools)

Simply. Not. Possible.

Great bit of that speech then - an outright lie and an impossibility.

Edit - I ought to removed free schools as they're mostly new and can therefore be compared to the 500 that they're going to open between now and 2020. That makes it worse...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:45 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
yahyah wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a glimpse of a young Jeremy Corbyn & one or 2 of a young Mandleson. But of most interest to me was the name calling at Labour conferences. Yep, those who did not agree with the left of the party were yelled at and called "tories" - how times don't change.
I'd love to know (and its not discussed in the film) what caused that sudden run on the £? The name Walker Slater is in the back of my mind but not at all sure if there is any connection.
Anyway Denis is funny & hard and comes across over the many years covered as a genuine person. Love his description of David Owen! (near the end)

Were those on the left of the party called mad bastards and Trots back then too ?
I'm not sure why the need for the passive aggression.
The film / program is of interest to anyone who is part of the Labour movement. It's dedicated to Denis, a tribute to him following his death. His "life at the top" was part of the left / right split that occurred in the 80's so obviously some of that features, I found the parallels to today interesting in that those seen to be on the right were called tories - just as they are today. I think militant were called trots, and that too has parallels to today.
I enjoyed it and thought others here might also be interested in Labours past leader's and history.

It wasn't passive aggression, certainly not any more than may have been present in the inital comment aimed at some on the left of the party. Couldn't that be seen as passive aggression too ?

It wasn't the film, or the recommendation I was commenting on.
As I posted here last week, I wanted Healey to win against Foot at the time.

Trying to remember Labour history as the left always being the baddies doesn't help anyone.
Many times it was right wingers who tried to hold an iron grip, left wingers being expelled for fairly mundane reasons and even refused membership at local branches when they moved home.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:48 pm

Swarthlander wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:For those who didn't see it last night, this is well worth a watch
Denis Healey: The Best Prime Minister Labour Never Had?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=D ... r%20Had%3F" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Viewing figures:
Denis Healey = 0.6 million
That cooking programme = 13 million

A fine example of the state of the electorate's interest in politics (of any age).

Good afternoon.

But as has been pointed out, more people watched Bake Off than voted Tory.
We've recorded the Healey programme and watched Bake Off live.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:51 pm

@ Angry, haven't watched it yet, but is it possible that the film showing those nasty pesky lefties was deliberately placed, or was it presented completely neutrally ?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:54 pm

yahyah wrote:@ Angry, haven't watched it yet, but is it possible that the film showing those nasty pesky lefties was deliberate, or was it presented completely neutrally ?

It was presented as a tribute to Denis.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 1:56 pm

Re Healey, I read somewhere the other day about an interview in (?) 2008, he'd come round to the view that Corbyn holds, that there were no circumstances in which nuclear weapons should be used in retaliation.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 2:00 pm

gilsey wrote:Re Healey, I read somewhere the other day about an interview in (?) 2008, he'd come round to the view that Corbyn holds, that there were no circumstances in which nuclear weapons should be used in retaliation.

Just shows how 'unelectable' he'd have been then

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 2:33 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:John Bull ‏@larrymeath 10 mins10 minutes ago Manchester, England

"The boy stood on the burning deck
His feet were covered in blisters
He'd burnt the socks right off his feet
And had to wear his sister's."
The boy stood on the burning deck,
His pocket full of crackers.
A spark flew up his trouser leg,
And burned him on the knee

"The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all around had fled - The idiot"
Spike Milligan

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 2:47 pm

I like Spike Milligan's poems.

http://www.reocities.com/iplaylouder/MilliganS.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 3:17 pm

We read some of Spike's poetry out at my brother in laws funeral. We couldn't help laughing, which is just how the brother in law would have liked it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 08 Oct, 2015 3:21 pm

John Wiltshire ‏@wiltshire544 31s31 seconds ago

Fallon, head of defense,
asked about Tridents pretense
said it's not that it's crap, we've got tons of that
saying No's a Capital Offence