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ohsocynical wrote:
The mysterious Fords Farm knitter has struck again, this time in honour of Remembrance Sunday

Outside Kennet Valley School passers-by found a "load" of knitted poppies each with the name of a service man or woman who had been killed in action free for anyone to take.

getreading was sent a photo of one of these poppies showing the name of Captain David Patten of the parachute regiment attached.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... e-10405117
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Off at a bit of a tangent.I don't happen to be baptised.In pre marriage discussions with a Catholic priest,he happened to call me a "Heathen" which resulted in my better half responding in glorious fashion as to the fakeness of those that label themselves Christian but whose actions come nowhere near such pretence and I was far more Christian-like in that regard.It started "Listen,hear Father"-fearless.
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Wonderful post from howsillyofme, says everything to me about how wrong things are.

Thought I saw something disturbing too, it reminded me that though there's no longer a territorial empire, there is an empire of influence, and today looked so much more militaristic than the last time I paid attention, a few years ago. There are still people moving men and machines on the maps of power and it worries the heck out of me. If they were honourable men I think I'd feel less like this, but they trample all over the truth tellers, even as we remember the cost of power. Is this what they dream of? If so the rest of the world has truly moved on, and remembering the embarassing end to the Chinese visit was a reminder of that. No more grand follies please.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ampaigners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Proposals to build a park-and-ride scheme on the outskirts of Bath will wreck precious water meadows, ruin fine views and could even put the city’s Unesco world heritage status at risk, campaigners have warned.

Protesters against the scheme, which is being put forward by the Conservative-led local authority, argue it would spoil one of the celebrated green approaches to the city and destroy the vista from Little Solsbury Hill, the site of an iron-age fort – and the subject of one of Peter Gabriel’s most famous songs.
The Libdem collapse returned both the consituency and local council of Bath to Tory control but it seems the honeymoon period hasn't lasted long. Bath needs a bypass. I doubt anyone would disagree with that yet the challenges of locating and funding one appear insurmountable. The previous Libdem administration concentrating instead on urban regeneration, building houses on brownfield sites so more people can actually live in Bath, rather than commute. Some disastrous highways decisions, however, outweighed the positives and they were toast. The reason I highlight this story is because it so beautifully sums up the paucity of vision and problem solving of conservative administrations. Their proposal to resolve Bath's complex and longstanding traffic problems is to build a modest park and ride in a pretty meadow and the spat between the Bath MP and the NE Somerset MP in whose constituency they wish to build shows they can't even agree on something as unambitious as that.
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Mornin'.

Thanks, especially, to @TR'sGhost and @seeingclearly for their insightful overnight/early-morning posts. Like you both, I remember the ever-tightening harshness of the Thatcher/Major Governments. As a single-parent and musician with disabilities sometimes having to rely upon Social Security, I was made to feel like a double- or even triple-pariah; and I'm sure I couldn't have got through the battles I had without the amazing help of both the (then open every day but eventually down to three sessions a week) Citizens' Advice Bureau, the (open three-days a week but now lost) Community Law Centre, and (later) the specialist Disabled Advice Service where, eventually, I became a volunteer and saw (and felt) the improvements brought about by the incoming Labour Government. Through all of them, I learnt more and more, which made me better able to help the neighbours who came to me because they could not understand, or could not read, and/or were frightened by the letters they got from the DHSS/BA/DHS/DWP (those official letters barely improved, despite efforts.) Sometimes I could help directly, otherwise I had better knowledge of where to take/send them for expert assistance and how to ask for it.

Over the past five years we've seen the screws being turned - the sanctions part of UC and the 2012 Welfare Reform Act being introduced across the board whilst the supposed benefits of it (keeping more of what you earn, lower rate of claw-back, etc.,) recede further into the distance, the disgraces of replacing DLA with PIP (which, however hard it's spun, cannot be other than a money-saving device and sod the people left behind,) of what has been done and is planned for ESA, the WCA, and loss of income for those place in WRAG, and the virtual exclusion of under-25s from most forms of support. Add to which the increasing public hostility towards the workless, the sick, and the disabled.

And we've lost, in the 2015 GE, some of the finest fighters for Social Security and its recipients such as Dame Anne Begg, Sheila Gilmore, and Glenda Jackson, from the HoC. The changes and restrictions are happening harder and faster, and will be affecting more and more people, through both the Budget and the Welfare Reform and Work 2015 changes. Frank Field may have more good points than, and talk more sense than, IDS but regularly shocks me by his hard-line opinions - and Freud is worse. I fear for the future, again; but somehow we've got to stick together.
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Remembering family who either served in the cavalry regiments or were ostlers who didn't but saw most of their good horses commandeered for war, never to return; all those who worked in the reserved occupations; the conscientious objectors who said no and faced the consequences but did what they could to help the living; the wounded of both world wars of whom I saw so many when I was a child and growing up - including 'ancient Mr Kennedy' who was cared for by his elderly niece and had been a boy-soldier in the Boer War then been injured in the Great War; friends who were damaged by their experiences in NI and the Falklands; all the civilians who have suffered wars coming upon them, unasked; and the friends who serve, and served, as medics in the Royal Navy and the Army, going wherever they're sent on their tours of duty, and working in the NHS the rest of the time. Mostly I hope for the living, that diplomacy and negotiation will bring an end to violent conflict. Peace.
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I don't undestand this,I have been getting one of these loans on a regular basis,as soon as one is paid up I get another one.
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Not only did Corbyn bow but he also sang the National Anthem - and he went through to watch the march-past from Horse Guards' Parade. Heidi Alexander was good on Sunday Politics and Maria Eagle did pretty well on Marr.

@Temulkar: seconding thanks for the Wilfred Owen poem.
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JustMom wrote:I don't undestand this,I have been getting one of these loans on a regular basis,as soon as one is paid up I get another one.
My mistake. A couple of years ago these disappeared off the.gov site, as there were imminent changes and it wasnt possible to get an answer on them at all, or not round here, I tried to help someone with this at the time. The link below gives current details from which you can see a number of social fund initiatives were dropped, crisis loans etc., currently the budgeting loan does exist. My apologies for poor information, and thank you for alerting me to this.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benef ... ting-loans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've re-read the Budgeting loan info again and see where my error is but also why I made it. Previously it was administered differently, the sentence below tells you how it was changed and why people fail to access it;

The award will also depend on the district Social Fund budget.
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LadyCentauria wrote:Mornin'.

Thanks, especially, to @TR'sGhost and @seeingclearly for their insightful overnight/early-morning posts. Like you both, I remember the ever-tightening harshness of the Thatcher/Major Governments. As a single-parent and musician with disabilities sometimes having to rely upon Social Security, I was made to feel like a double- or even triple-pariah; and I'm sure I couldn't have got through the battles I had without the amazing help of both the (then open every day but eventually down to three sessions a week) Citizens' Advice Bureau, the (open three-days a week but now lost) Community Law Centre, and (later) the specialist Disabled Advice Service where, eventually, I became a volunteer and saw (and felt) the improvements brought about by the incoming Labour Government. Through all of them, I learnt more and more, which made me better able to help the neighbours who came to me because they could not understand, or could not read, and/or were frightened by the letters they got from the DHSS/BA/DHS/DWP (those official letters barely improved, despite efforts.) Sometimes I could help directly, otherwise I had better knowledge of where to take/send them for expert assistance and how to ask for it.

Over the past five years we've seen the screws being turned - the sanctions part of UC and the 2012 Welfare Reform Act being introduced across the board whilst the supposed benefits of it (keeping more of what you earn, lower rate of claw-back, etc.,) recede further into the distance, the disgraces of replacing DLA with PIP (which, however hard it's spun, cannot be other than a money-saving device and sod the people left behind,) of what has been done and is planned for ESA, the WCA, and loss of income for those place in WRAG, and the virtual exclusion of under-25s from most forms of support. Add to which the increasing public hostility towards the workless, the sick, and the disabled.

And we've lost, in the 2015 GE, some of the finest fighters for Social Security and its recipients such as Dame Anne Begg, Sheila Gilmore, and Glenda Jackson, from the HoC. The changes and restrictions are happening harder and faster, and will be affecting more and more people, through both the Budget and the Welfare Reform and Work 2015 changes. Frank Field may have more good points than, and talk more sense than, IDS but regularly shocks me by his hard-line opinions - and Freud is worse. I fear for the future, again; but somehow we've got to stick together.
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Remembering family who either served in the cavalry regiments or were ostlers who didn't but saw most of their good horses commandeered for war, never to return; all those who worked in the reserved occupations; the conscientious objectors who said no and faced the consequences but did what they could to help the living; the wounded of both world wars of whom I saw so many when I was a child and growing up - including 'ancient Mr Kennedy' who was cared for by his elderly niece and had been a boy-soldier in the Boer War then been injured in the Great War; friends who were damaged by their experiences in NI and the Falklands; all the civilians who have suffered wars coming upon them, unasked; and the friends who serve, and served, as medics in the Royal Navy and the Army, going wherever they're sent on their tours of duty, and working in the NHS the rest of the time. Mostly I hope for the living, that diplomacy and negotiation will bring an end to violent conflict. Peace.
A beautiful post. Thank you LadyC ... And I'm left wishing our representatives had just a fraction of the experience your letter describes both for yourself and others.

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seeingclearly wrote:
JustMom wrote:I don't undestand this,I have been getting one of these loans on a regular basis,as soon as one is paid up I get another one.
My mistake. A couple of years ago these disappeared off the.gov site, as there were imminent changes and it wasnt possible to get an answer on them at all, or not round here, I tried to help someone with this at the time. The link below gives current details from which you can see a number of social fund initiatives were dropped, crisis loans etc., currently the budgeting loan does exist. My apologies for poor information, and thank you for alerting me to this.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benef ... ting-loans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please,no apologies needed. these places are very confusing. At one time there was a grant you could get for essentials etc,but now it has to be applied for to the council.
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Crispin Blunt MP, "Loth though I am, as a former soldier and serving Conservative politician, to side with a left-wing politician against the Chief of Defence Staff, I rather think that Jeremy Corbyn has a point on this matter and . . .* has strayed into political territory on this occasion." Sky News, live, just now, near verbatim.

* I can't remember the Chief of Defence Staff's name... General someone-or-other...

[Edit}: or is that bloke's title Head of the Armed Services? Ach, confusion will be my epitaph - and, as for the anomia, I blame the meds...
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Afternoon.
Lovely to see so many posts, on varied topics including batter bits.
FTN at its best, info, views, and fun.

Just spotted this on Twitter.

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 6h6 hours ago
MOS reporting that UKIP on brink of going bust following collapse in fundraising. Staff unpaid. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 6h6 hours ago
MOS reporting that UKIP lost nearly 1/4 of members since GE15 when it got only 1 MP


If true, it may mean UKIP's ability to fight the elections next year is hampered. Fingers crossed.
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yahyah wrote:Afternoon.
Lovely to see so many posts, on varied topics including batter bits.
FTN at its best, info, views, and fun.

Just spotted this on Twitter.

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 6h6 hours ago
MOS reporting that UKIP on brink of going bust following collapse in fundraising. Staff unpaid. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ction.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 6h6 hours ago
MOS reporting that UKIP lost nearly 1/4 of members since GE15 when it got only 1 MP


If true, it may mean UKIP's ability to fight the elections next year is hampered. Fingers crossed.
From that article...
Ukip’s only seat came from Douglas Carswell, defending the Clacton constituency he won in a spectacular by-election victory.
Given that he was the sitting MP it was not that spectacular.
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http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/EAAD/Pages/Home.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/events/2 ... /event/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.smallworldinitiative.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Antibiotic Awareness Week (and Day) coming up 16-22 (and 18) Nov.
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Back in 2010 too IDS had threatened to resign twice, talk about having form

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... borne.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Toys, pram, or what?
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tinyclanger2 wrote:http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/EAAD/Pages/Home.aspx
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/events/2 ... /event/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.smallworldinitiative.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Antibiotic Awareness Week (and Day) coming up 16-22 (and 18) Nov.
Important message there TC.

I spent a week in hospital with a serious infection after a deep feral cat bite.
Horrific to think what would have happened if the antibiotics hadn't worked.

But there's more and more risk to people with bacterial infections, and those with serious illnesses who are prone to infection, because of antibiotic resistance.
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HindleA wrote:Off at a bit of a tangent.I don't happen to be baptised.In pre marriage discussions with a Catholic priest,he happened to call me a "Heathen" which resulted in my better half responding in glorious fashion as to the fakeness of those that label themselves Christian but whose actions come nowhere near such pretence and I was far more Christian-like in that regard.It started "Listen,hear Father"-fearless.
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It was brought to mind by the fake "patriots";they remind me of the armchair heroes ,"I would if I could" liars during the Falklands conflict which my dad was involved in.He never wears a poppy,which means naff all as to lack of respect or not.
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About 8 years ago, I was hospitalised twice for weeks over a 12 month period with c-difficile brought on by heavy doses of antibiotics, it can be fatal in some cicumstances. I had previously been taken in four times over as few years with meningitis, they put be on a drip for weeks, then when they thought i was getting well i was discharged only for it to re-occur. Each time the menigitis had a detrimental effect on my mobility, it was the final admission that left me with a wheelchair instead of legs.

Just to be sure, once home I had district nurses for a few weeks giving me intra muscular injections, straight into the calf area (luckily i have no sensation) of Cephalexin, a massive dose of a gram a day.

The upshot is that it destroyed the healthy bacteria in my system too, allowing c-difficile to take over, so i was back in.

I really struggle now with any antibiotic, ironically i have to take a maintenance dose of Trimethoprim for the rest of my life because the docs believe a small pocket meningitis is still active in the scar tissue that remained after the initial operation to remove the tumour which started the whole shenanigans back in 2000.

If i get any other infection as i have recently they are at a loss how to treat me safely now, c-difficile leaves spores behind, and can not be 100% clear once you have had it, they would have to withdraw the maintanance dose of Trimethoprim & find something which the current infection is sensitive to, but also which covers the capping of meningitis which isn't usually possible. and a low dose over a few days wouldn't always be enough. If i take two types i could end up with c-difficile again.
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My other half always used to make a beeline to buy a poppy when the first opportunity arose each year.
Not because he is militaristic, but to pay respect to those like his father, ordinary men not career soldiers, who did their bit when fascism threatened us.

This year he hasn't bought one.
I asked him why and he said he felt that the whole thing has become yet another opportunity for media/right wing outrage.

Suspect he isn't alone.
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The service concluded with traditional prayers, hymns and blessings before an enthusiastic rendition of God Save the Queen. (Guardian - my emphasis)
Is that an excerpt from an old Enid Blyton story? Was the service followed by lashings of ginger beer?
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Dad joined the Fleet Air Arm, but never saw active service. They discovered he was brainy and sent him to study engineering, in Stoke I think. He hated it, couldn't wait to get back to Keighley Borough Treasurer's dept after the war. :)

His Dad volunteered in WW1, under age, looked after the cavalry horses. Happily came home safe. Dad said his sergeant knew how old he was and kept him out of harm's way, but I can't see how that could be entirely true.
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A belated good morfternoon to you all!
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As chair of a trust, I’m speaking out. The NHS is headed for financial ruin
Christopher Smallwood
Here’s the stark reality ministers need to take on board: the health service needs at least £4bn more a year between now and 2020 to avoid disaster
And he really does spell out the stark reality - and the coalition and this government's role in bringing it about.

Earlier on today I read the scurrilous Daily Mail attempted smear of the junior doctors - they found a facebook page which they purport is the junior doctors' plotting den, pointing out all the supposed flaws in their arguments and calls to strike etc.

Pleased to say that BTL the best rated comments are utterly scathing of the Daily Mail's sick attempts to denigrate the junior doctors. And there are - praise be - comments reminding people of just how good the overall NHS became under Labour - how much improvement they brought about. Mid Staffs was an aberration then ... sadly this government is creating the very conditions for far more failings such as that.
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Sadiq Khan MP Retweeted
Jeremy Front ‏@MrFront 46m46 minutes ago
Just spotted a leaflet for @SadiqKhan on the mat and thought it was George Clooney. Don't let it go to your head Sadiq.
:lol:

Love that Sadiq Khan has retweeted this.
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Christopher Hope ‏@christopherhope 3m3 minutes ago
55% of over 10,000 @telegraph readers think Jeremy Corbyn's Cenotaph bow was NOT disrespectful. Vote here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... unday.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Sheesh - this is so important they have to run a poll on it .... madness.

Must pop over there to vote.
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55% of Torygraph "readers" is fair going, though......

I wonder if this transparent fake outrage is in any way connected to Jez tearing a a strip off one of our top brass for a nakedly partisan intervention re Syria?
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ohsocynical wrote:
HindleA wrote:Off at a bit of a tangent.I don't happen to be baptised.In pre marriage discussions with a Catholic priest,he happened to call me a "Heathen" which resulted in my better half responding in glorious fashion as to the fakeness of those that label themselves Christian but whose actions come nowhere near such pretence and I was far more Christian-like in that regard.It started "Listen,hear Father"-fearless.
Mr Ohso calls them 'One day a week Christians'.
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Severn tolls seen as 'cash cow' by Westminster, says Welsh leader
UK government not prepared to share toll revenue after bridges revert to public ownership in 2018, says Carwyn Jones

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... rwyn-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Severn toll crossings linking south Wales to England will become a Whitehall-imposed tax on Wales with no benefit to the Welsh when the two bridges enter public ownership in 2018, it is claimed.

Wales’s first minister, Carwyn Jones, said the M4 and M48 links across the Severn river were seen as a “cash cow” by a UK government that was not prepared to share toll revenue and with “no money coming to Wales at all”.

Control of the two crossings, used by 80,000 vehicles a day, passes to the Department of Transport in April 2018 having been run by the consortium Severn River Crossings Plc, which built the M48 bridge and took on the debt of the original M4 crossing in the 1990s. Both crossings revert to public ownership once the company has recouped costs through the tolls that are paid on entry to Wales, said to be on 1 April 2018.

The tolls are paid by vehicles travelling westward from England to Wales and have been described as “a tax on entering Wales”. Protesters have likened the controversy to that which sparked the 19th-century Rebecca Riots by impoverished agricultural workers, often men dressed as women, who stormed toll gates on Welsh roads in protest at unfair taxation....
Wild? .... I'm absolutely livid.
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Boris Johnson talked through the 2 mins silence at ‪#‎RemembranceSunday‬, but all the media can talk about is ‪#‎Corbyn‬ ‪#‎Bowgate‬


Any confirmation of that ? If so, it just shows how bloody biased the media are.
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This claims to show Bozo talking.

It also shows what a fraud he is.
He can master the use of a comb for an appearance at the Cenotaph (or Thatcher's funeral) which shows his usual dishevelled look is just for PR.
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... The style of the latest Danczuk MoS piece suggests that Baker is still working for him. And Matt Baker is now officially spinning for Bristol’s independent Mayor George Ferguson, who is running for re-election against a Labour Party candidate. If Baker is indeed still ghosting for Danczuk, that introduces a double lack of loyalty. Yet on he blathers, claiming that it’s his party, and he has served it all these years...
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... yalty.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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John Healey MP ‏@JohnHealey_MP 2m2 minutes ago
S Times: tax credits, failing housing policies, inheritance tax breaks mean Tories not on side of low/mid earners http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/com ... 629983.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Can't read it ... but I get the gist. And it's not looking good for Osborne's Autumn statement and Cam's legacy.
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:lol: Laughing at them helps.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:55% of Torygraph "readers" is fair going, though......

I wonder if this transparent fake outrage is in any way connected to Jez tearing a a strip off one of our top brass for a nakedly partisan intervention re Syria?
Which intervention would that be?

The only one I have seen was our top brass admitting they were worried about Corbyns statement on deterrence.

You can't blame civil servants when they refuse to defend idiocy.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:55% of Torygraph "readers" is fair going, though......

I wonder if this transparent fake outrage is in any way connected to Jez tearing a a strip off one of our top brass for a nakedly partisan intervention re Syria?
It was on 57% a moment ago.

By no means did everyone do a 45 degree bow, or anywhere near it. It's a nonsense anyway, it's what you are being inside that gives respect, and Corbyns message exactly reflected that of one of the people interviewed, very moving his words were too. If commitment is the thing in question then I have to ask what the tories are committed to because from here what they are doing doesnt look good at all.

Its now disrespectful of the war dead to hope for no more war! :wall:

Harry Leslie Smith in the Huff last year was strong on this. I shan't say more lest I become really disrespectful of the establishment warmongerers.
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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:55% of Torygraph "readers" is fair going, though......

I wonder if this transparent fake outrage is in any way connected to Jez tearing a a strip off one of our top brass for a nakedly partisan intervention re Syria?
Which intervention would that be?

The only one I have seen was our top brass admitting they were worried about Corbyns statement on deterrence.

You can't blame civil servants when they refuse to defend idiocy.

'Idiocy'

What is idiocy is accepting a replacement for an out-dated system that is only wanted to we can use it to slap out on the table when our 'leaders' are talking to their mates. Bit like having a Rolex or some other type of bling

I have seen no coherent reasoning for us maintaining nuclear weapons

Corbin doesn't want them and if he is PM has said he wouldn't use them. Seems coherent to me

Instead of talking about something that is essentially irrelevant to our defence or current threats perhaps we could talk about how we look at defending ourself against threats - financial, terrorist, cyber etc...but then that would be 'idiocy'
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Harry, this year:

“Unfortunately, since we fell into the quagmire of the Iraq war and the ubiquitous war on terror, Armistice Day and the wearing of the poppy have been not only politicised but also commercialised.

“It is now almost a month long dirge of patriotism without context and without understanding the true cost of war.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11 ... 98786.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Severn tolls seen as 'cash cow' by Westminster, says Welsh leader
UK government not prepared to share toll revenue after bridges revert to public ownership in 2018, says Carwyn Jones

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... rwyn-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Severn toll crossings linking south Wales to England will become a Whitehall-imposed tax on Wales with no benefit to the Welsh when the two bridges enter public ownership in 2018, it is claimed.

Wales’s first minister, Carwyn Jones, said the M4 and M48 links across the Severn river were seen as a “cash cow” by a UK government that was not prepared to share toll revenue and with “no money coming to Wales at all”.

Control of the two crossings, used by 80,000 vehicles a day, passes to the Department of Transport in April 2018 having been run by the consortium Severn River Crossings Plc, which built the M48 bridge and took on the debt of the original M4 crossing in the 1990s. Both crossings revert to public ownership once the company has recouped costs through the tolls that are paid on entry to Wales, said to be on 1 April 2018.

The tolls are paid by vehicles travelling westward from England to Wales and have been described as “a tax on entering Wales”. Protesters have likened the controversy to that which sparked the 19th-century Rebecca Riots by impoverished agricultural workers, often men dressed as women, who stormed toll gates on Welsh roads in protest at unfair taxation....
Wild? .... I'm absolutely livid.
The Welsh should blockade it with sheep. Or Scotch Cattle...
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Thank goodness for humour...But sadly with our media - true.
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YahYah. Snap :)
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seeingclearly wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Severn tolls seen as 'cash cow' by Westminster, says Welsh leader
UK government not prepared to share toll revenue after bridges revert to public ownership in 2018, says Carwyn Jones

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... rwyn-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Severn toll crossings linking south Wales to England will become a Whitehall-imposed tax on Wales with no benefit to the Welsh when the two bridges enter public ownership in 2018, it is claimed.

Wales’s first minister, Carwyn Jones, said the M4 and M48 links across the Severn river were seen as a “cash cow” by a UK government that was not prepared to share toll revenue and with “no money coming to Wales at all”.

Control of the two crossings, used by 80,000 vehicles a day, passes to the Department of Transport in April 2018 having been run by the consortium Severn River Crossings Plc, which built the M48 bridge and took on the debt of the original M4 crossing in the 1990s. Both crossings revert to public ownership once the company has recouped costs through the tolls that are paid on entry to Wales, said to be on 1 April 2018.

The tolls are paid by vehicles travelling westward from England to Wales and have been described as “a tax on entering Wales”. Protesters have likened the controversy to that which sparked the 19th-century Rebecca Riots by impoverished agricultural workers, often men dressed as women, who stormed toll gates on Welsh roads in protest at unfair taxation....
Wild? .... I'm absolutely livid.
The Welsh should blockade it with sheep. Or Scotch Cattle...
Or men dressed as women. We have form and experience.
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One person's idiocy is another's rationality.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Wild? .... I'm absolutely livid.
The Welsh should blockade it with sheep. Or Scotch Cattle...
Or men dressed as women. We have form and experience.
*Scotch Cattle you mean! RR were not the only skirt wearers!
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Rab C.Nesbitt on a whisky drinking cow.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... ward-march" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'New Democrats' sound alarm over Sanders and Clinton's leftward march
Observers on both sides of the party’s divide suggest presidential primary debate confirms a resurgence of more populist economic policies
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -liberties" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory rebel David Davis: ‘We haven’t had a Stasi or a Gestapo in Britain, so are intellectually lazy about surveillance’
The maverick former Tory leadership candidate has become one of the foremost defenders of civil liberties. How does he get away with it? ‘People think I will strangle terrorists with my bare hands,’ he says
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ax-credits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

George Osborne’s dilemma: he daren’t U-turn but can’t afford not to
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