Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th December 2015

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 8:48 am

Morning all.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 8:51 am

<sigh> Hoped the knives might be put away for a few days at least.

No one (hopefully) wants to gag Kevan Jones, he should be free to put across constructive views or concerns about such important issues, but using words like 'his incompetence' about Corbyn just inflames things and helps Labour's enemies.

If he is correct then there is indeed a problem, but going about it the way he has seems to be provocative rather than helpful.

'Jeremy Corbyn is 'incompetent' says shadow Defence Minister'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 61136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:18 am

But, as my other half says, ever more frequently these days, 'NLTBGYD'.
Never let the b****rs get you down. That's what they want.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:33 am

yahyah wrote:<sigh> Hoped the knives might be put away for a few days at least.

No one (hopefully) wants to gag Kevan Jones, he should be free to put across constructive views or concerns about such important issues, but using words like 'his incompetence' about Corbyn just inflames things and helps Labour's enemies.

If he is correct then there is indeed a problem, but going about it the way he has seems to be provocative rather than helpful.

'Jeremy Corbyn is 'incompetent' says shadow Defence Minister'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 61136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As Tubby pointed out yesterday Corbyn is planning to attend a Stop The War fundraiser as guest of honour. Roughly 100 of his MPs give or take will be furious about that. Any credit banked from Oldham has been immediately thrown away.

So there is clearly something fundamentally wrong about Corbyn's political thought process. Nothing he has done in the last week has looked in any way smart. One assumes the people who work with him are getting driven slowly nuts, probably not ideal to complain about it to the press.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:43 am

So, those 100 MPs and their followers should cause a stink about it and whine to the press ?

We saw last week how many were happy to pass on the inaccuracy about Stella.

Again, you see everything through your way of seeing 'smart', 'intelligent'.

Time to bring out that Independent article by the psychiatrist who observed that anti-Corbyn people exhibited as much unreason as they claimed their opponents did, just a different type ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:45 am

Morning

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... n-training" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Almost half of junior doctors left NHS after foundation training
Official figures reveal sharp fall in number of young medics opting to work towards becoming GP or specialist after first two years in NHS

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:02 am

Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 26s26 seconds ago
Cameron thinking about postponing Heathrow decision until he leaves No10, @JGForsyth reveals today. Truly weak.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/su ... throw.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Morning.

Bottling it then. Makes me wonder when he's planning to leave No10 ... it's going to be a very delayed decision on a third runway if he's staying on for 3 or 4 years.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:06 am

jolly_angelina ‏@jolly_angelina 3 mins3 minutes ago

Zahawi's "just received email" read out in HoC #SyriaVote hard to believe. Should have been questioned

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gw1iZArAKs

More Tory 'dirty tricks'? or not?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:07 am

I think Marina Hyde pretty much sums up where I am on this:

The trolling is vile, but we should not confuse bullying with dissent
Marina Hyde
MPs who complain about intimidation after the Syria vote should look to Aristophanes and keep their troubles in proportion
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... neil-coyle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My sister and I were reflecting on the use of twitter by MPs the other day ... I think they also have a responsibility to work out what is sensible and appropriate engagement and not feed the trolls (or subject us to endless ucky details about themselves that many will have no desire to know).

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:13 am

That was written on the 3rd, yahyah, and is manifestly untrue compared to the Lybia vote or Afganistan in 2006. Instead of action being waved through, the 70k lie was exposed, and the govt forced to defend its waar. Corbyn is now in a perfect position to damn cameron with every failure. A point even the daily mail conceded yesterday,

Kevan Jones just loves to smear and brief, then cries foul when he is called out over it - askk joanna lumley and the gurkhas

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:22 am

Surge in companies set up to dodge Osborne's tax rise on buy-to-lets after Chancellor's raid on second homes and rental properties
Landlords may try to establish companies to avoid new tax demands
George Osborne is doubling the amount of tax on £250,000 second homes
It is estimated his tax grab will earn the treasury £4 billion extra a year
Many landlords are considering selling their portfolios to avoid the tax
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rties.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course there is. This is yet another of Osborne's measures that will probably end up hitting the smallest, least profit making of landlords - those with just the one rental property or so.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:31 am

yahyah wrote:<sigh> Hoped the knives might be put away for a few days at least.

No one (hopefully) wants to gag Kevan Jones, he should be free to put across constructive views or concerns about such important issues, but using words like 'his incompetence' about Corbyn just inflames things and helps Labour's enemies.

If he is correct then there is indeed a problem, but going about it the way he has seems to be provocative rather than helpful.

'Jeremy Corbyn is 'incompetent' says shadow Defence Minister'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 61136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kevan Jones is swiftly inheriting the mantle of useful idiot Tom Watson wore under Miliband. Any remaining sympathy I have for him following the spat with Livingstone has now gone, as I question his motives even on that one.

And yahyah, isn't it "nil illegitimi carborundum"?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:34 am

PETER OBORNE: There was one winner in the Syria vote. And it wasn't Dave or Hilary Benn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... -Benn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... But I believe that only one politician deserves to emerge with an enhanced reputation as a result of the week’s events. That figure is Jeremy Corbyn.
Whether or not you like Mr Corbyn (and I profoundly disagree with many of his policies), there is no denying that he emerged from the arguments over Syria as a man of moral courage, integrity and principle.
Indeed, how interesting that after months of denigrating Corbyn, the Blairite tendency — together with those excitable inhabitants of the Westminster bubble — have been made to look silly in their prediction that Labour would lose the Oldham by-election.
In the real world, it seems the voters have more time for the Labour leader than the metropolitan commentariat.
Faced with bitter hostility from his own side on Wednesday, Mr Corbyn stood his ground. Courteously, he set out his honest doubts about the wisdom of bombing raids on Syria.

To put his achievement another way, Mr Corbyn performed the role which every leader of the Opposition is expected to perform, according to British constitutional textbooks: he held the Government to account...

... At last we have an Opposition leader who does his job by opposing the government and asking the right questions. Throughout the debate, Jeremy Corbyn was calm, resolute and precise — a performance that was especially creditable given that he was subject to vilification from his own Labour MPs.
One of the most disloyal of these was Hilary Benn, whose speech on Wednesday night was not nearly as impressive as reported. Mr Benn showed no comprehension of the complexities of the Syrian civil war.
He offered no ideas of his own to contribute to a successful outcome. He is a political mediocrity who has become a convenient stalking horse for the Blairite faction which has been determined to destroy Jeremy Corbyn since he was elected.
There is growing evidence that the British people have seen through all the politicians cynically trying to exploit the war for their own ends. Polls now suggest that opposition is growing to David Cameron’s decision to attack Syria.
Indeed, the Prime Minister’s case for war is already in disarray. In particular, his claim that there are 70,000 ‘moderate’ Syrian ground troops ready to fight ISIS is now in shreds.
Mr Cameron has personally insulted millions of British people (including many Daily Mail readers) who have doubts about the bombing by implying that they are supporters of terrorism...

His piece is not an unequivocal eulogy for Corbyn btw - he fully acknowledges that he doesn't agree with Corbyn on a lot of things and that Corbyn has certainly made mistakes as leader. But thought it worth linking to this and showing these quotes as it's Oborne - and it's in the Daily Mail - and I am increasingly finding it very strange that such views are coming from the unlikeliest of places.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:47 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:I think Marina Hyde pretty much sums up where I am on this:
The trolling is vile, but we should not confuse bullying with dissent
Marina Hyde
MPs who complain about intimidation after the Syria vote should look to Aristophanes and keep their troubles in proportion
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... neil-coyle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My sister and I were reflecting on the use of twitter by MPs the other day ... I think they also have a responsibility to work out what is sensible and appropriate engagement and not feed the trolls (or subject us to endless ucky details about themselves that many will have no desire to know).

All these artivles about intimidation and so on seem to me to be more than a little hypocritical in light of the overt bullying by the media and within parliament that has been happening on a near daily basis for years. Do they think we don't notice, or there are certain levels of privilege that allow people to be exempt from being called out for their bad behaviour?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:51 am

STW are an embarrassment - just yesterday some dick there praised the "internationalism and solidarity" of ISIS

But I find it hard to get too exercised over Corbyn attending a dinner, tbh. He clearly no longer has an active role in either them or CND.

(indeed, in the latter he has explicitly moved from an active to a honorary position)

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:11 am

It has been blowing a gale here all night shows no signs of abating so I'm wondering how people in the north and near the coast have fared. Hope all are ok.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:14 am

Jonathan Portes ‏@jdportes 13h13 hours ago
Jonathan Portes Retweeted Nick Sutton
The Prime Minister made us this video to explain why he's so upset about migrant benefits: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have fantasies of seeing videos like this relayed on big screens in shopping centres and high streets .... (I think Orwell must have featured in my dreams last night).

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:31 am

Just catching up with yesterday's joke fest

. Nice to have a little respite dontcha think ?
I'm crap at remembering jokes so here's a little contribution I spotted elsewhere

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:38 am

Talking of bullies, Cameron once had a terrible reputation for being one, the Flashman nickname isn't heard much nowadays thanks to a compliant media.

Born with a silver spoon, the brat having everything in his life handed to him. He gobs off without a second thought, doesn't like it back though.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:43 am

Good morfternoon.

Almost half of junior doctors left NHS after foundation training (Guardian)

Never mind the seriousness of the situation - they're just showing off now with their command of the use of the apostrophe.

(Please see photo' at the top of the article.)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... n-training

Edited to add

Unless TobyLatimer can help?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:52 am

Wokingham Borough Council gazumps couple trying to buy first home

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... e-10550939

This doesn't bode well for the future.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:53 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Almost half of junior doctors left NHS after foundation training (Guardian)
Never mind the seriousness of the situation - they're just showing off now with their command of the use of the apostrophe.

(Please see photo' at the top of the article.)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... n-training

Edited to add

Unless TobyLatimer can help?

Is this it PF ?

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:58 am

Miliband was "horrid" to him - even that word is pretty hilarious in itself

Btw I take it everybody noticed the name of the OMRLP candidate in Oldham? Wonder why he chose that, eh??

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:59 am

@TobyLatimer

Thanks - that's the one - but it's the badge and its wording that I was referring to. Can you feature that, please - or do I watch too much American CSI-type rubbish?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:01 pm

@TobyLatimer

Sorry - I'm being thick. I didn't pan across! Thanks Abs . . . .

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:08 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Miliband was "horrid" to him - even that word is pretty hilarious in itself

Btw I take it everybody noticed the name of the OMRLP candidate in Oldham? Wonder why he chose that, eh??

I did like the way that the candidate's name was read out - surname first...A-Lot, Sir Oink

You can just imagine the returning office muttering to herself when she walked on "Don't laugh. Don't even smile. This is not funny..."

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:15 pm

Forgetting my manners - good morning. "Windy day umpire" as WG grace is reported to have said when the bails came off...

I have a new mouse so won't need to edit my posts in future to rid of them of surplus [quote] and .

And yes I edited this as I went to go for the full bit and pressed post by mistake...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:19 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Forgetting my manners - good morning. "Windy day umpire" as WG grace is reported to have said when the bails came off...

I have a new mouse so won't need to edit my posts in future to rid of them of surplus
and .

And yes I edited this as I went to go for the full bit and pressed post by mistake...

Ha! I thought you'd done it deliberately.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:22 pm

I'm beginning to miss a bit of the Punch & Judy style pmq's. Polite doesn't work with the posh boy. When Hilary Benn had a go at him over the sympathiser's slur at the beginning of *that speech* Cameron turned his head in disdain, as though he was thinking "who the feck does he think is he talking to?"

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:38 pm

I see that Cameron did away with PMQs on Wednesday, mind - maybe a sign he's not enjoying the Jez approach too much?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:39 pm

Opinion: £30 Billion National Insurance Surplus A Kick In The Teeth For Starving Families

http://www.welfareweekly.com/opinion-30 ... -families/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:41 pm

Off topic, I had a sigh when i read this. Money no object & running out of things to spend it on. I would want Ringo included at that price.

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TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that Cameron did away with PMQs on Wednesday, mind - maybe a sign he's not enjoying the Jez approach too much?

He ducked it whenever he could with Ed as well let us not forget (Jezza is not the first person to turn OGRFG that delightful shade of puce).

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:43 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Off topic, I had a sigh when i read this. Money no object & running out of things to spend it on. I would want Ringo included at that price.

Ooh no. You know the old joke, Ringo was not even the best drummer in the Beatles!!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 12:54 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ke-pickets" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Revealed: Ted Heath behind TV documentary used to sway jury in trial of Shrewsbury trade unionists
Unseen papers show cabinet members promoted a documentary aimed at influencing trial of the ‘Shrewsbury 24’ building workers

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:04 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:Off topic, I had a sigh when i read this. Money no object & running out of things to spend it on. I would want Ringo included at that price.
Ooh no. You know the old joke, Ringo was not even the best drummer in the Beatles!!

Times must be hard, in the last year or so he's sold a ranch in Colorado, and a country house in Surrey.He's selling his personal copy of The White Album too, though that is for charity. (never got into that, but then I reckon Pepper is over-rated so i'm no judge) http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/n ... -no0000001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:04 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that Cameron did away with PMQs on Wednesday, mind - maybe a sign he's not enjoying the Jez approach too much?
He ducked it whenever he could with Ed as well let us not forget (Jezza is not the first person to turn OGRFG that delightful shade of puce).

Oh, no doubt about that. He hates being questioned properly by *anybody*.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:13 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 26s26 seconds ago
Cameron thinking about postponing Heathrow decision until he leaves No10, @JGForsyth reveals today. Truly weak.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/su ... throw.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Morning.

Bottling it then. Makes me wonder when he's planning to leave No10 ... it's going to be a very delayed decision on a third runway if he's staying on for 3 or 4 years.

Remember Dave's airstrike war against Syria - 3 years, he said, before it's over. I guess we all know Dave pretty well now - he may as well come out and say, 'I'd like to be good at it for 3 more years'.

Good-afternoon, everyone.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:14 pm

Elizabeth Windsor ‏@Queen_UK 5 mins5 minutes ago

Had bought William and Catherine Greece for Christmas but might take it back for a credit note from the Germans. #AlwaysThinking

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:18 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:I'm beginning to miss a bit of the Punch & Judy style pmq's. Polite doesn't work with the posh boy. When Hilary Benn had a go at him over the sympathiser's slur at the beginning of *that speech* Cameron turned his head in disdain, as though he was thinking "who the feck does he think is he talking to?"
ScreenShot01202.jpg

Nah, Dave's asking a member of his Blue Tie Overnight Slumber Party for a smoke.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:20 pm

yahyah wrote:<sigh> Hoped the knives might be put away for a few days at least.

No one (hopefully) wants to gag Kevan Jones, he should be free to put across constructive views or concerns about such important issues, but using words like 'his incompetence' about Corbyn just inflames things and helps Labour's enemies.

If he is correct then there is indeed a problem, but going about it the way he has seems to be provocative rather than helpful.

'Jeremy Corbyn is 'incompetent' says shadow Defence Minister'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 61136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My first reaction to your comment, yahyah, was that you were being far too nice to Kevan Jones. It certainly would have been nice to have been able to enjoy a good turnout and result at Oldham for at least a couple of days before the grumbling resumed!

It strikes me that this is more of the "office politics" I referred to the other day. I do think there probably is a genuine problem for MPs in serving a leader with so little relevant experience for the role and I fear there will be more of this. I agree, however, that there's no need to blab to the press about it. It needs acknowledging and addressing within the party, but I don't see why the rest of us need to hear about it. Policy and presentation can cost votes, but I suspect how well a leader is running their office isn't really of much interest to most people - there's no need to voluntarily draw attention to these sorts of problems imo. And it can only get better, I would have thought. I don't think anyone ever gets any worse at these sorts of things with experience.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:31 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:STW are an embarrassment - just yesterday some dick there praised the "internationalism and solidarity" of ISIS

But I find it hard to get too exercised over Corbyn attending a dinner, tbh. He clearly no longer has an active role in either them or CND.

(indeed, in the latter he has explicitly moved from an active to a honorary position)

Severn Trent Water rep praising the international solidarity of ISIS???? Madness.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:32 pm

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:33 pm

Jeremy Corbyn joined Islington Labour members singing Christmas carols for the Oxfam refugee appeal.

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TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:37 pm

Doubt he needs the cash TL (he is reputed to be worth about $300 m), he is probably just bored. Had the 'pleasure' of meeting him once (a signing session for the Thomas The Tank Engine books) ......ennui is, I believe, the word that best described his attitude.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:51 pm

Willow904 wrote:
yahyah wrote:<sigh> Hoped the knives might be put away for a few days at least.

No one (hopefully) wants to gag Kevan Jones, he should be free to put across constructive views or concerns about such important issues, but using words like 'his incompetence' about Corbyn just inflames things and helps Labour's enemies.

If he is correct then there is indeed a problem, but going about it the way he has seems to be provocative rather than helpful.

'Jeremy Corbyn is 'incompetent' says shadow Defence Minister'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 61136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
My first reaction to your comment, yahyah, was that you were being far too nice to Kevan Jones. It certainly would have been nice to have been able to enjoy a good turnout and result at Oldham for at least a couple of days before the grumbling resumed!

It strikes me that this is more of the "office politics" I referred to the other day. I do think there probably is a genuine problem for MPs in serving a leader with so little relevant experience for the role and I fear there will be more of this. I agree, however, that there's no need to blab to the press about it. It needs acknowledging and addressing within the party, but I don't see why the rest of us need to hear about it. Policy and presentation can cost votes, but I suspect how well a leader is running their office isn't really of much interest to most people - there's no need to voluntarily draw attention to these sorts of problems imo. And it can only get better, I would have thought. I don't think anyone ever gets any worse at these sorts of things with experience.

Thank you for saying that Willow, it shows that my attempts to be less abrasive may be working *
My first version, before editing was a lot more cross sounding about Jones.

I am trying to moderate my feelings.

Often end up having to take a more pro-Corbyn stance than I would like, just to counter some of the knee jerk **** that is being thrown at him. But that just ends up feeding the them/us scenario.

*maybe this is a case where I shouldn't have bothered

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:52 pm

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 19h19 hours ago

I've seen Labour MP's staffers bully @HarrysLastStand for months now. If they keep it up, I will name and shame them[/b]

The old saying people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones is ringing rather true.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 1:57 pm

@Toby

Just told my husband about your post about Ringo's drums.
As a drummer with Septimus the Spider ...who I hear you all cry...a Halifax soul band in the sixties, he has an interest in all things percussion and the Beatles.

He pointed out to me that Ringo would not have made anything as much as the others because of lack of songwriting royalties, which may explain his current dash for cash.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 2:01 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Jeremy Corbyn joined Islington Labour members singing Christmas carols for the Oxfam refugee appeal.
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So no chance of a 'Commie Killjoy Corbyn Bans Christmas' Daily Mail headline then ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 2:06 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:Hear hear

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/it ... lf-6955689" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Though the sub-editor needs a good talking to)

What are shadow cabinet members doing texting journos from inside meetings? It seems that at least one is using the 'honour' to do a Jim Murphy and share divisive anti-leadership stories with the press. It was an appalling way to behave under Ed Miliband and it remains so. I can actually see why there are calls from some quarters to deselect some of the current PLP, if this is what they use their privileges as elected members and shadow ministers to do.

Corbyn's in a difficult position, anything he does will be presented as evidence of his Stalinism.

But there surely is a case for insisting mobile phones, ipads etc are kept out of the way during meetings.

How can trust be fostered, and full attention given, if someone's texting or tweeting ?