Tuesday 8th December 2015

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 1:50 pm

tinybgoat wrote:For a straight talking, unbiased, unspun view without any hidden agenda I always turn to rt.com.

Purge? Corbyn’s Momentum group to exclude socialists
Content of article doesn't quite live up to headline though.

https://www.rt.com/uk/325090-momentum-purge-far-left/

Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Momentum group and senior MPs are trying to block the influence of leftist groups, such as the Socialist Party of England & Wales, citing fears of entryist hijacking.
A central part of the effort will involve drawing up of a new code of conduct that will block socialists and communists from being elected to leadership roles and attending debates.
The move is partially driven by fears that leftist organizations could discredit the movement, which was set up to continue the spirit and energy developed during Corbyn’s leadership election campaign.
Many grassroots activists and far-left groups have called for the deselection of unpopular Labour MPs, including those who voted for bombing Syria last Wednesday.

I view RT and Al-Jazeera more often than Sky News or BBC 24. They aren't perfect, and they do have obvious bias in some subjects, but they are a damn sight better than our homegrown news sources these days.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 1:50 pm

"due to rationing of wheelchairs, “children waiting for wheelchairs have pain and deformity from ill-fitting chairs, which are contributing to hip dislocation and worsening scoliosis”. In addition, physiotherapists working with children using ill-fitting wheelchairs believed their role was “almost negated by the lack of postural control for these children”.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 1:58 pm

Sayeeda Warsi
✔
@SayeedaWarsi

Are D Trumps views on Muslims just plain stupid or a political ideology based on a perversion of right wing politics https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVpwa7jUkAA5K48.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
11:32 PM - 7 Dec 2015 Politics Live, Guardian)

That's really a very good Tweet!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:01 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote:Does such a place exist ?
A very good question - the vast majority of the MSM is a write off. Maybe the least biased coverage in any "mainstream" outlet currently is in the Huffington Post?

I was going to say that too. Whenever there's a 'tell it like it really is' article, it's frequently on Huffington.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:01 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:For a straight talking, unbiased, unspun view without any hidden agenda I always turn to rt.com.

Purge? Corbyn’s Momentum group to exclude socialists
Content of article doesn't quite live up to headline though.

https://www.rt.com/uk/325090-momentum-purge-far-left/

Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn’s Momentum group and senior MPs are trying to block the influence of leftist groups, such as the Socialist Party of England & Wales, citing fears of entryist hijacking.
A central part of the effort will involve drawing up of a new code of conduct that will block socialists and communists from being elected to leadership roles and attending debates.
The move is partially driven by fears that leftist organizations could discredit the movement, which was set up to continue the spirit and energy developed during Corbyn’s leadership election campaign.
Many grassroots activists and far-left groups have called for the deselection of unpopular Labour MPs, including those who voted for bombing Syria last Wednesday.

I view RT and Al-Jazeera more often than Sky News or BBC 24. They aren't perfect, and they do have obvious bias in some subjects, but they are a damn sight better than our homegrown news sources these days.

Yep, they're good at putting forward some stuff which is skipped over by msm,
& any bias (& motivation behind it) is usually obvious
& makes good comparing with other sources.

Just thought the headline slightly mischievous.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:03 pm

"A 22-year-old woman with relapsed acute myeloid leukaemia died after being denied a second allogeneic stem cell transplant. Her doctor said her late relapse and good response to salvage chemotherapy meant there was a 50% chance that a further transplant would have cured the disease. However, the local GP-led clinical commissioning group refused to fund the procedure, which would have used healthy stem cells to try to help her bone marrow, and she received palliative care instead."

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:10 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Jack Blanchard @Jack_Blanchard_

Oof. The OBR kicks Cameron right where it hurts. Changes to benefits rules will have "little impact" on number of migrants moving to Britain
10:45 AM - 8 Dec 2015 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Well yes - but IDS simply disagrees. So that can't be right.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:12 pm

we now only listen to media we agree with,

If we can find any...

and

all other information is to be somehow discarded as complete fabrication.

Best thing to do with complete fabrication when we're drowning in it.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:23 pm

Tory MP defends faking death threat over Syria air strikes vote

A Tory MP has admitted faking her own death threat in a Facebook post designed to expose the "unacceptable" abuse she received after voting in favour of air strikes in Syria.

Lucy Allan, MP for Telford, posted an email she had received from a disgruntled constituent complaining about her decision but added the words “unless you die” at the bottom of the post.

She defended it by saying her addition had been a threat sent in by another constituent on the same day and justified her decision to post it because it showed examples of the abuse that MPs receive “most days and that most people tolerate silently”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 64766.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:29 pm

This latest Sun event is worse than I thought ...

Sun apologises over misleading ‘Six days to terror’ story
Paper says it was ‘misled’ by investigator who claimed to have travelled from Turkey to Paris without a passport, as ITV News also takes down article on him
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/d ... rror-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... But Sun insiders said that, after the Croatian authorities denied the account, with scans of his passport to prove it, Ghessen confessed that he had in fact flown from Croatia to Paris in order to deal with a “domestic trauma” possibly involving his children.

Instead of telling his paymasters the truth about the journey ahead of publication, the Sun said Ghessen simply made up the account of taking “a series of trains up to Paris, dodging the guards on the way” and hiding in unlocked toilets.

Senior Sun executives are said to be furious at being caught by what one called “disgraceful” behaviour. One also admitted it was “not a particularly glorious episode” for the Sun...

and look who got himself in on the act ... and now doesn't want to be associated with it ...

... The newspaper spread, which included reaction from Labour MP Simon Danczuk, prompted concerns about security in Europe following the Paris attacks. Danczuk has not returned calls seeking comment following the Sun apology...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:38 pm

Reuters UK ‏@ReutersUK 4 hrs4 hours ago

UK retail sales growth marks worst November since 2011 - BRC:

http://reut.rs/1QsTwEe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:39 pm

MPs vote to reject giving 16 and 17-year-olds the vote in the EU referendum

MPs have voted to reject giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote in the EU referendum by 303 votes to 253 - a majority of 50.

The amendment passed by the House of Lords saying there should be votes at 16 in that referendum has now been designed by the Commons Speaker as a matter engaging financial privilege (because of its additional cost) and that means that the Lords cannot just vote to put the amendment back in when the bill returns to their end of the building.

But peers can table a fresh amendment to the bill, designed to achieve the same goal in a different ways. Labour peers are considering this option, and so the conflict between the two Houses is not over yet. (Politics Live, Guardian)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 2:42 pm

Robin Brant Retweeted
Pippa Crerar ‏@PippaCrerar 8m8 minutes ago
Zac says he'll stick to promise to stand down as MP if Govt backs third runway - but would not quit as Mayor if happens after a Con victory

That's what Cameron's banking on Zaccy. How nice of you to adjust your principles accordingly.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:05 pm

Its all fairly transparently obvious, though. Can't see it doing him much good really.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:10 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its all fairly transparently obvious, though. Can't see it doing him much good really.

I also think Goldsmith is going to have to be very careful in how he attacks Khan given the current anti Muslim rhetoric. To be linked to that - in any way - is not a good look for a London mayoral candidate (it's not a good look anywhere).

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:14 pm

My Owen Smith tweets of the day.

Owen Smith ‏@OwenSmith_MP 7m7 minutes ago
Utter waffle from IDS on #WATO and no answer to the central charge that working mothers will be £3k worse off after his latest cut to UC 1/2

Owen Smith ‏@OwenSmith_MP 5m5 minutes ago
He says he can't respond because he hasn't seen the House of Commons library analysis which shows the £3k loss. It's in the post, Iain.

I find his style a very refreshing change from the Reeves' monotone.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:14 pm

http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/201 ... g-suggests" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Exemption from green belt refusal and amending section 106. 200,000 homes, that's rather a lot of small scale sites.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:23 pm

I hadn't seen the Dave Hill article in the G when I posted my comment about Goldsmith's attack on Khan. Seems Hill is warning about this too ...

London mayor: Zac Goldsmith must be careful with his negative campaign
The Tory candidate’s team deny exploiting anxieties about Muslims to win City Hall but that could be one effect of personal attacks on Labour rival Sadiq Khan
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/dave ... e-campaign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An official Tory website called SadiqWatch, launched on Monday, asks the question: “Who is Sadiq Khan?” This draws attention to Khan’s recent change of position over increasing London’s airport capacity – he’s switched from wanting expansion at Heathrow to enlarging Gatwick – the support he received from unions during Labour’s mayoral candidate selection campaign and his nomination of Jeremy Corbyn to be a runner in the party’s leadership contest.

The site sharply escalates the Goldsmith campaign’s attempts to detrimentally associate Khan with Corbyn, despite Khan’s not voting for him in the Labour leadership ballot. Its masthead proclaims that it is “holding Corbyn’s candidate to account.” Meanwhile, Goldsmith campaign literature being distributed by Tory activists has described Khan’s politics as a “divisive and radical”.

This last accusation has angered Khan’s team, with one member of it telling the Evening Standard it could be read as “code for Muslim” and a “coded racist attack”. Adam Bienkov of Politics.co.uk reported that a SadiqWatch video posted on the Conservatives’ Facebook page attracted a number of unpleasant comments.

At the time of writing, those comments have not been removed. One describes Khan as “a dishonest Muslim” and a “cheap crook” and one complains that “the native population is being diluted on a horrendous scale.” Another declares: “If Khan/Corbyn get in you can expect another 50 mosques in London, more extremists, no thank you there’s too many already. Vote in the Tory candidate.”

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:
MPs vote to reject giving 16 and 17-year-olds the vote in the EU referendum

MPs have voted to reject giving 16 and 17-year-olds a vote in the EU referendum by 303 votes to 253 - a majority of 50.

The amendment passed by the House of Lords saying there should be votes at 16 in that referendum has now been designed by the Commons Speaker as a matter engaging financial privilege (because of its additional cost) and that means that the Lords cannot just vote to put the amendment back in when the bill returns to their end of the building.

But peers can table a fresh amendment to the bill, designed to achieve the same goal in a different ways. Labour peers are considering this option, and so the conflict between the two Houses is not over yet. (Politics Live, Guardian)

By the time the next GE comes around the 16 & 17 year olds the Tories have just given the V-sign to will be eligible to vote under the existing rules and will, I suspect, remember who ensured they were disenfranchised for one of the most important votes of their lifetime. They Tories really are irredeemably dumb at times.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:27 pm

Turning Schools Around
The Educators

Schools in England have been warned that if they coast, rather than improve, they risk being closed down.

Sarah Montague meets the new head teachers of a Birmingham secondary school involved in the so-called Trojan Horse scandal. Golden Hillock School re-opened in September with new leadership, and became Ark Boulton Academy , where some of the students have seen four different head teachers in four years.

Now, principals David Gould and Herminder Channa plan to take the school out of special measures and introduce higher expectations for students, staff and parents.

Their promise to students is that they will learn everything they need to go on to university or a career of their choice, but it will require focus, discipline and hard work from students, staff and parents.

Presenter: Sarah Montague
Producer: Joel Moors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06r5d01" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:35 pm

Cameron Orders Attack on Syrian Army, Retaliation for Assad Statements | Veterans Today
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/12/0 ... ans-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Astonishing article. As Mike Sivier says ... 'what are we to think about this'?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:37 pm

Jim McMahon MP ‏@CllrJimMcMahon 6m6 minutes ago
My first vote in Parliament was to allow 16/17 year olds the right to vote in the EU referendum @OldhamYC

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:47 pm

Pinch me .... surely they can't have stooped to this .... surely?

: Tories Attack Khan Over Fried Chicken Shops.jpg (60.51 KiB) Viewed 8212 times

Matthew McGregor ‏@mcgregormt 42m42 minutes ago
This is so amazing — the Tories are attacking the Labour mayoral candidate for flop flopping on fried chicken shops

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 3:57 pm

They'll be attacking him for frying chicken in flip-flop shops next...

I'll get me coat.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:05 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:I hadn't seen the Dave Hill article in the G when I posted my comment about Goldsmith's attack on Khan. Seems Hill is warning about this too ...

London mayor: Zac Goldsmith must be careful with his negative campaign
The Tory candidate’s team deny exploiting anxieties about Muslims to win City Hall but that could be one effect of personal attacks on Labour rival Sadiq Khan
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/dave ... e-campaign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An official Tory website called SadiqWatch, launched on Monday, asks the question: “Who is Sadiq Khan?” This draws attention to Khan’s recent change of position over increasing London’s airport capacity – he’s switched from wanting expansion at Heathrow to enlarging Gatwick – the support he received from unions during Labour’s mayoral candidate selection campaign and his nomination of Jeremy Corbyn to be a runner in the party’s leadership contest.

The site sharply escalates the Goldsmith campaign’s attempts to detrimentally associate Khan with Corbyn, despite Khan’s not voting for him in the Labour leadership ballot. Its masthead proclaims that it is “holding Corbyn’s candidate to account.” Meanwhile, Goldsmith campaign literature being distributed by Tory activists has described Khan’s politics as a “divisive and radical”.

This last accusation has angered Khan’s team, with one member of it telling the Evening Standard it could be read as “code for Muslim” and a “coded racist attack”. Adam Bienkov of Politics.co.uk reported that a SadiqWatch video posted on the Conservatives’ Facebook page attracted a number of unpleasant comments.

At the time of writing, those comments have not been removed. One describes Khan as “a dishonest Muslim” and a “cheap crook” and one complains that “the native population is being diluted on a horrendous scale.” Another declares: “If Khan/Corbyn get in you can expect another 50 mosques in London, more extremists, no thank you there’s too many already. Vote in the Tory candidate.”

Didn't I read somewhere that Crosby is behind Goldsmith's campaign...

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:06 pm

Is this unusual? I don't follow the business liveblog very often, so I don't know if these kind of commodity crashes happen often:

Every share on the Dow Jones industrial average is in the red.

Oil giant Exxon is leading the fallers, down 3.1%, followed by major rival Chevron which has lost 2.9%.

Caterpillar is next, down 2.5%. It makes mining and construction machinery and vehicles, meaning it is very exposed to the ups and downs of the global economy.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/liv ... iness-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:08 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cameron Orders Attack on Syrian Army, Retaliation for Assad Statements | Veterans Today
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/12/0 ... ans-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Astonishing article. As Mike Sivier says ... 'what are we to think about this'?

The thought of Cameron having any sort of power over who shoots what and where fills me with dread. He's a proven, incompetent, know nothing liar...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:21 pm

Wokingham firefighters trained to respond to medical emergencies

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/readin ... l-10561505" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:26 pm

Simon DanczukVerified account ‏@SimonDanczuk 4h4 hours ago
I’ve written to Pensions Minister calling for fairer deal for women born in 1950s. Sign the petition here: http://tinyurl.com/qb36da4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Blimey, Danczuk actually doing some work for a change.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:32 pm

@Willow re your post about oil share prices:

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:38 pm

Bracknell Urgent Care centre will undergo a focused inspection after the CQC found staff were 'fearful' of reporting incidents

PATIENTS at Bracknell's Urgent Care Centre are being put at risk due to staff shortages and delays issuing prescription medicines a health watchdog has warned.

The centre, based at Brants Bridge, does not have enough experienced staff to meet demand and ensure safe waiting times according to the Care Quality Commission (CQC), who conducted two unannounced inspections on August 17 and 24 this year after receiving tip-offs

One Medicare Ltd, who run the centre, has admitted they underestimated how many patients would go to them for treatment, with 10 per cent more cases than had been anticipated since it opened in April 2014.

http://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/141 ... al_centre/

They said Mr Ohso could have his chemo here, but he said he preferred to stick with the Royal Berkshire hospital. I'm rather glad now after reading this.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 4:45 pm

Is it just me, or has anyone else lost the text on posts the site ?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:04 pm

StephenDolan wrote:http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/201 ... g-suggests

Exemption from green belt refusal and amending section 106. 200,000 homes, that's rather a lot of small scale sites.

'Affordable' houses to buy, not to rent, and iirc with relaxed building regs to let the builders cut corners. Lovely.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:08 pm

Caroline Lucas has resigned from Stop the War Coalition
Ruby StockhamRuby Stockham
Today
2538
Green MP called stepping down 'the responsible thing to', as pressure mounts on Jeremy Corbyn
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/12/caro ... coalition/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why Stop the War don’t want to listen to Syrians - Syria Solidarity

http://www.syriauk.org/2015/11/why-stop ... l?spref=tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:09 pm

Welsh government budget has been announced today.

First the good news - 4.1% more, £290million, for the Welsh NHS.
1.1% for education & skills.
The bad news, 2% cut for local government.

Wales has faced a 3.6% cut from UK government funding over five years, when inflation's taken into account.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:17 pm

yahyah wrote:Welsh government budget has been announced today.

First the good news - 4.1% more, £290million, for the Welsh NHS.
1.1% for education & skills.
The bad news, 2% cut for local government.

Wales has faced a 3.6% cut from UK government funding over five years, when inflation's taken into account.

I am filled with dread at the prospect of next year's council tax. So the 2% precept for social care - should a council choose to apply it - will just about compensate for the overall loss in grant. Nothing gained.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:26 pm

PinkNews ‏@PinkNews 6h6 hours ago
Gays are off the hook! UKIP candidate blames refugees for latest floods http://p.ink.cx/1SLq7og" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:32 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cameron Orders Attack on Syrian Army, Retaliation for Assad Statements | Veterans Today
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/12/0 ... ans-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Astonishing article. As Mike Sivier says ... 'what are we to think about this'?

Defcon Dave?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:34 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Cameron Orders Attack on Syrian Army, Retaliation for Assad Statements | Veterans Today
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/12/0 ... ans-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Astonishing article. As Mike Sivier says ... 'what are we to think about this'?
Defcon Dave?

His Argentina moment?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:38 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PinkNews ‏@PinkNews 6h6 hours ago
Gays are off the hook! UKIP candidate blames refugees for latest floods http://p.ink.cx/1SLq7og" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unbelievable.

12 Syrian refugees are arriving soon, offered refuge by Ceredigion council.
A local independent councillor is demanding they are screened for terrorists after the Paris attacks.

The progressive parties supported a fund raising event last week to help welcome the refugees.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:44 pm

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
PinkNews ‏@PinkNews 6h6 hours ago
Gays are off the hook! UKIP candidate blames refugees for latest floods http://p.ink.cx/1SLq7og" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unbelievable.

12 Syrian refugees are arriving soon, offered refuge by Ceredigion council.
A local independent councillor is demanding they are screened for terrorists after the Paris attacks.

The progressive parties supported a fund raising event last week to help welcome the refugees.

The 'independent' tag for local politicians is not a good one around here IMO.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:46 pm

We had an 'independent' down the valley who was a paid up member of the Lib Dems !

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:50 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Astonishing article. As Mike Sivier says ... 'what are we to think about this'?
Defcon Dave?
His Argentina moment?

General Belgrano
or Lloyd Webber ?
(..Have I said too much,
there's nothing left I can think of to say to you.
But all you have to do, is look at me to know that every word is true.)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:51 pm

Cumbrians have hilariously mocked Cameron’s photo-op tour of flooded towns
http://www.thecanary.co/2015/12/08/cam ... urn false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 5:57 pm

'During this video (1:20) he comes up with the stunning assessment that:
''We might want to send some engineers.'' '

Thanks for that link OhSo !

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:05 pm

Well, a week or so makes a difference.
A few hours working in the garden today allowed time for thought.

My feelings about leaving Labour because of the malarkey of people like Danczuk would be defeatist. Instead of being negative I have put January 15th in my diary, the day of hustings & the vote for Ceredigion's Assembly candidate fortunately being held only 15 minutes drive away from where we live.

It'll be a chance to experience the cut and thrust of debate (hopefully), get to meet some of the new members and start actually getting involved rather than just donating. Taking the responsibility of voting means having a stake in things too.

The new CLP membership secretary has sent out a really welcoming and encouraging message which makes the whole thing seem more accessible for the less than experienced supporter.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:13 pm

yahyah wrote:'During this video (1:20) he comes up with the stunning assessment that:
''We might want to send some engineers.'' '

Thanks for that link OhSo !

I'm still reeling from what he said yesterday -

[David Cameron said] The emergency services have been brilliant. But that is no consolation to people who face a very wet few days, and then perhaps not being home for Christmas. (Guardian - my bold)

Sorry for the re-post but it's been going round in my head all day. Of course, the press lap up his every utterance. This should have been ridiculed mercilessly.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:18 pm

In the video linked, Cameron, in full smarm mode in Carlisle talks of 'the defences we built'

We ?
Just done some checking and on an Environment Agency site it says the scheme was finished in 2010.

By we I presume Cameron means the last Labour government ?

https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2 ... s-of-2005/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:22 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:'During this video (1:20) he comes up with the stunning assessment that:
''We might want to send some engineers.'' '

Thanks for that link OhSo !

I'm still reeling from what he said yesterday -

[David Cameron said] The emergency services have been brilliant. But that is no consolation to people who face a very wet few days, and then perhaps not being home for Christmas. (Guardian - my bold)
Sorry for the re-post but it's been going round in my head all day. Of course, the press lap up his every utterance. This should have been ridiculed mercilessly.

He gets away with so much. In the video in OhSo's link he calls local people who've been affected 'these people' in an odd way.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 08 Dec, 2015 6:25 pm

& he just had to mention he'd held a Cobra meeting.