Saturday 12th December & Sunday 13th December 2015 -

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 12:45 pm

Pick a Santa .

Sunday Politics dug out an old clip of Jeremy Corbyn from the archives presenting mince pies to the people on the programme near Christmas.

The other one is Danczuk

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:01 pm

The stated aim are "personal/health budgets" as the "patient,service user"or as I prefer "person" knows best ;well here is a form of which has existed for over twenty years,or did.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:03 pm

Which Santa would you want down your chimney ?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:03 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Bonnie Greer ‏@Bonn1eGreer 1h1 hour ago Hammersmith, London
You have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at @Telegraph story re: 100,000 "moderates" being sought to join #Labour .
#HAHAHAHAHHAAHAH
Why couldn't /didn't these Labour MPs get these people to join Labour before is the question I find lurking at the back of my mind. Surely they were out there ready and waiting to be persuaded by their policies and principles?
Isn't this an entryist plot?

I've felt like batting my head against a brick wall when someone says there are millions of Labour voters [9 mil?] who didn't vote for Corbyn

It's a ridiculous figure.

There are many, many people who vote, but are just doing their duty and stick to their chosen party no matter what.

There are many who were aware that a leadership election was taking place, but weren't that bothered about who won.

There were a great many who simply couldn't be bothered to fork out £3 to have a voice.

There were many who looked at all those standing and voted for Whatever They're Called.

But there were a great many more who were interested. Who forked out full membership. Who bothered to pay £3. Who looked at all the entrants. And voted for Corbyn.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:14 pm

Mike Gapes isn't in much of a position to stir the pot in the near future. Best wishes to him, despite our differences.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:18 pm

The Mail was screaming yesterday about toxic gas attacks in connection with the terrorist suspects arrested near Geneva.

Have police foiled an ISIS chemical weapons plot in Europe?

That headline was near the top of the Mail online.

All rather terrifying if true.
But it appears not to have been.

Last night's Radio 4 news reported that the arrests were about explosives, and charges were made under laws relating to possession etc of explosive materials & toxic substances.

Swiss Prosecutor Olivier Jornot told a news conference the men 'had traces of explosives in their car but no toxic gas'.

The Mail has reported today that no toxic gas was found, but the article is hidden away.
Strange that.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:37 pm

Prevention better than cure in Cuban healthcare system

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:39 pm

HindleA wrote:@Eph.Hard to believe to be honest ,I don't know what "experts" advise them.The indisputable fact is that you cannot make savings from cutting cost saving allowances/arrangements,merely transfer the costs elsewhere.Anybody with any knowledge or experence surely know that.False economic misanthropy.

Government can't ever say they weren't properly informed of their disaster area policies and the
consequences of those policies. I quote from my favourite oracle, the National Audit Office (NAO):

Without understanding how new responsibilities and smaller budgets affect local services,
central government creates risks to service delivery and financial uncertainty for local bodies.

...when central departments make big decisions and cost reductions that affect other public
sector bodies, they still need to be able to support those decisions, ensuring the spending
is achieving the desired outcomes, represents value for money and is based on good
management information.

The consequences of poor quality decision-making by a department affects the central
department just as much as the body to which responsibility and cost cuts are devolved.

In looking at good practice and learning from errors, the NAO has repeatedly come
across four issues that can block improvements and lead to poor services for citizens.

- Conflicting priorities
- Ignoring inconvenient facts
- Out of sight, out of mind
- Not learning from mistakes

- from, The Art of Spending Public Money Wisely
National Audit Office (NAO) presentations to Civil Service Live
October 2015

https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploa ... isely1.pdf

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 1:50 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Labour risks becoming a talking shop of protest and anger
Stella Creasy
Internal squabbling will only condemn those whom Labour claims to represent to live in misery, writes the MP
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She's getting some stick BTL for seeming to not acknowledge the part that certain MPs are playing in this 'internal squabbling'.
Given that she is one of those who actually proved that the binary division of 'principle/protest' vs 'being in power/changing things' is completely false, this is a bit of a disappointment. I've always been very impressed with Creasy, and voted for her for the deputy leadership despite her campaign not, I feel, living up to her potential. She has a point, of course, as we've been saying here for a long time - if we fight each other, we're not fighting George Osborne. But she's only focussing on Momentum and the new members.

I wasn't sure what to make of the line 'Weeks ago I raised this with Jeremy privately. Given the scale of the problem and the need for everyone to act, I’m now doing this publicly.' Does this suggest the leadership dismissed her concerns? It feels an odd kind of comment to make, and the absence of any suggestion as to what might have happened as a result of her conversation with Corbyn would seem to suggest that the answer is nothing at all. However, has she also raised it with Danczuk? With Kevan Jones? With Mike Gapes? With Blair?

It probably means he didn't say what she wanted to hear.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 2:26 pm

I missed this. Truly shocking.

Former Chilean soldier charged with murder after stunning radio confession
Guillermo Reyes Rammsy, 62, admitted on live radio phone-in on Wednesday to participating in executions of 18 opponents of late dictator Augusto Pinochet
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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 2:27 pm

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John Prescott gets it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 2:32 pm

Good grief - I've just seen that vine of Osborne standing with a bunch of kids in front of him singing carols.

Did they really go so far with their Tory branding / staging as to dress the kids in blue rather than red Santa hats???? They did.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 2:57 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Good grief - I've just seen that vine of Osborne standing with a bunch of kids in front of him singing carols.

Did they really go so far with their Tory branding / staging as to dress the kids in blue rather than red Santa hats???? They did.

Trying to out Corbyn, Corbyn...It's a pity Tories don't do spontaneous.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:06 pm

Dankzuk is back at the Mail On Sunday after a brief fling with the Sun. This after they ran several negative pieces on him while he was away. The tart.

No pride, no shame.

Tom Watson’s warning last week that entryists are trying to infiltrate Labour shows Corbyn’s not-so-secret plan has finally been rumbled.

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:06 pm

Gun used in Paris terrorist attack was supplied by US arms dealer

http://linkis.com/wordpress.com/IahD5

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:10 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Dankzuk is back at the Mail On Sunday after a brief fling with the Sun. This after they ran several negative pieces on him while he was away. The tart.

No pride, no shame.

Tom Watson’s warning last week that entryists are trying to infiltrate Labour shows Corbyn’s not-so-secret plan has finally been rumbled.

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The Tart

I've Tweeted it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:11 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Good grief - I've just seen that vine of Osborne standing with a bunch of kids in front of him singing carols.

Did they really go so far with their Tory branding / staging as to dress the kids in blue rather than red Santa hats???? They did.

"Now That's What I Call Political Correctness Gone Mad '15".

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:13 pm

Good morfternoon.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:20 pm

Meanwhile they also have a spread featuring what feels like dozens of photos of his estranged wife getting out of a car.

One of these phrases doesn't appear in the article.

Karen Danczuk

"flaunts her infamous figure"

"buxom brunette"

"ample endowments"

"Pouring her curves"

"left little to the imagination"

"she clearly didn't want to waste any time covering herself up"

"she gave fans quite the eyeful"

"she nearly fell out of her tiny dress"

"Keeping abreast of the action"

"believes a peaceful political settlement is essential sooner than later in the Syria crisis"

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:24 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:Dankzuk is back at the Mail On Sunday after a brief fling with the Sun. This after they ran several negative pieces on him while he was away. The tart.

No pride, no shame.

Tom Watson’s warning last week that entryists are trying to infiltrate Labour shows Corbyn’s not-so-secret plan has finally been rumbled.

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The Tart I've Tweeted it.

I'm always reminded of Nellie Boswell in Bread describing Li-lo Lil "She is a Tart !"

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:25 pm

I see that Mr Danczuk now has a new partner, Claire Hamilton - who again seems to be considerably younger than himself (certainly if it is the same person who was a Hyndburn DC member around a decade ago, at that time one of the youngest councillors in the whole country - and AIUI it is)

Anybody else starting to see a pattern here?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:48 pm

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects Dec 12
Holmewood & Heath (North East Derbyshire) result:

LAB: 79.0% (+7.4)
CON: 21.0% (-7.4)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 3:59 pm

Jeremy Corbyn makes first move to rein in rebellious Labour MPs
The Labour leader wants his new army to have a bigger say in policy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 70846.html

Given that anything in the press should be taken with a pinch of salt, interesting times ahead?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:01 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Meanwhile they also have a spread featuring what feels like dozens of photos of his estranged wife getting out of a car.

One of these phrases doesn't appear in the article.

Karen Danczuk

"flaunts her infamous figure"

"buxom brunette"

"ample endowments"

"Pouring her curves"

"left little to the imagination"

"she clearly didn't want to waste any time covering herself up"

"she gave fans quite the eyeful"

"she nearly fell out of her tiny dress"

"Keeping abreast of the action"

"believes a peaceful political settlement is essential sooner than later in the Syria crisis"

(My bold)

I suppose it's better than a photo' of Simon Danczuk "pawing her curves".

MsChin · Post by **MsChin** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:13 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Britain Elects ‏@britainelects Dec 12
Holmewood & Heath (North East Derbyshire) result:

LAB: 79.0% (+7.4)
CON: 21.0% (-7.4)

That was my late friend Trish's seat. She would have laughed when nominations went in - no Kipper and a Tory opposed Labour.

A great lass and a damned good councillor, I'm told.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:25 pm

Good afternoon. I received this today and thought that I might share it with you. The author is ex army having spent many years in all the recent trouble spots.

With all these posts and tweets about bombing in Syria, I thought I'd share with you a completely unrelated story:
There’s huge wasps’ nest down the other end of my road, I mean it’s bloody massive. Despite the fact that it’s been terrorising the people who live down there for months, they haven’t done anything about it. The thing is that they just don’t get on with each other and it seems that they would much rather argue amongst themselves than tackle the real problem in their midst.
Well, a few weeks ago my next-door neighbour got stung by a wasp. As you can imagine, this made him really angry (although it now transpires that the wasp actually came from his own garden). Anyway, this has really galvanised all of us down our end of the road to sort this wasps’ nest out once and for all. The thing is that none of us are all that keen on going down there ourselves. The wife’s dead against sending any of our kids in case they get hurt; but we’ve got to do something right?
Luckily, I’ve got a brilliant idea. I’m going to get a big stick and give the wasp’s nest a bloody good poke. I know that people have warned that this will achieve nothing and cause them to release a pheromone which makes all wasps more likely to attack us, but it really will be extremely satisfying to give them little buzzing bastards what’s coming to them. I also realise that it will probably make life a lot worse for those living down that end of the street, but when you invest your hard-earned money on a world class poking stick you should take whatever opportunity to use it, right?
Anyway, I must go now because I’ve other more pressing issues at hand. I’m extremely eager to change the rules of the local Neighbourhood Watch scheme down this end of the street. I’ve even threatened to move if I don’t get my way. However, my next-door neighbour wasn’t too keen to support me on this. But now we’re standing shoulder-to-shoulder in our wasp nest poking endeavours, I’m hoping that he might now see things my way.

An interesting analogy?
Best wishes.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:36 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Britain Elects ‏@britainelects Dec 12
Holmewood & Heath (North East Derbyshire) result:

LAB: 79.0% (+7.4)
CON: 21.0% (-7.4)

A few minutes walk fom me,just off Junction 29 of the M1.The former,industrial estate,(where I currently go)ex-pit village,council estates,old peoples' homes,27 takeaways(slight exaggeration),Heath a conservation area with properties leased from Chatsworth House.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:39 pm

MsChin wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Britain Elects ‏@britainelects Dec 12
Holmewood & Heath (North East Derbyshire) result:

LAB: 79.0% (+7.4)
CON: 21.0% (-7.4)

That was my late friend Trish's seat. She would have laughed when nominations went in - no Kipper and a Tory opposed Labour.

A great lass and a damned good councillor, I'm told.

Patricia Williams,small World.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:45 pm

aisling ‏@clementattlees 6 mins6 minutes ago

"[Schneider] voted Green in May, but only because “I'm in a safe Labour seat” – Hammersmith" literally one of the key marginals in GE??

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:53 pm

FWIW there was some consternation when they redrew the boundaries for my local area and included supposedly more likely not to vote Labour and according to boundaries with no geographical sense and split villages up ;the fear was unfounded as Labour councillors were returned with an increased majority.I also find it interesting that although my part is supposedly "posh" ie private housing,new influx etc,there is no historical tie with the Labour/Trade Union movement that now out number born and bred residents with those ties/memories-we still maintain a Labour voting habit,indeed in increasing numbers.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:54 pm

HindleA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Britain Elects ‏@britainelects Dec 12
Holmewood & Heath (North East Derbyshire) result:

LAB: 79.0% (+7.4)
CON: 21.0% (-7.4)

A few minutes walk fom me,just off Junction 29 of the M1.The former,industrial estate,(where I currently go)ex-pit village,council estates,old peoples' homes,27 takeaways(slight exaggeration),Heath a conservation area with properties leased from Chatsworth House.

I've heard junction 29 called the Heath Roundabout round these maligned parts.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:57 pm

Junction 29A -Skinner's Junction.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:58 pm

We are pretty close Toby-sorry about that!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 4:59 pm

Metro ‏@MetroUK 2h2 hours ago
Iraq war veteran made redundant only 72 hours before qualifying for full pension
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He's returned his medals and written to Cameron to tell him why.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:04 pm

HindleA wrote:We are pretty close Toby-sorry about that!

Lol. I can see Hardwick Hall without binoculars from my front garden,

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:12 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Metro ‏@MetroUK 2h2 hours ago
Iraq war veteran made redundant only 72 hours before qualifying for full pension
http://buff.ly/1QEkjxs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He's returned his medals and written to Cameron to tell him why.

That'll give something for Dave and his cronies to laugh about as they sit in a nice warm room, around a table groaning with Christmas food.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:13 pm

I have probably passed your humble abode/or very close to it on my bike,endeavouring to search the quickest route to Mansfield,definately go through Teversal.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:16 pm

Aalistair Campbell Tweeted supporting Stella Creasy. Said the Labour party is becoming a party of angry protesters.

I replied, that we are protesting because we are angry but some MPs aren't listening. I suggested they did...

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:16 pm

HindleA wrote:Junction 29A -Skinner's Junction.

That was still under construction the last time I was in Bolsover, about 12 years ago now. I was always seeking out alternative routes to Meadowhall where they often had traffic queuing on the motorway at junction 34 just to get into the place. The A61 from Chesterfield was a good way, I even did it a few times on a moped

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:19 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Metro ‏@MetroUK 2h2 hours ago
Iraq war veteran made redundant only 72 hours before qualifying for full pension
http://buff.ly/1QEkjxs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He's returned his medals and written to Cameron to tell him why.
That'll give something for Dave and his cronies to laugh about as they sit in a nice warm room, around a table groaning with Christmas food.

On thinking that post over, I've decided they'll probably sit around the table agreeing that plebs should be grateful for what they're given and know their place.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:23 pm

I avoid MeadowHell,as much as I can to be honest,Crystal Peaks at Halfway I found more bearable,pity they got rid of the cinema there.There is a tram there if you want to go to MeadowHell.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:30 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Metro ‏@MetroUK 2h2 hours ago
Iraq war veteran made redundant only 72 hours before qualifying for full pension
http://buff.ly/1QEkjxs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He's returned his medals and written to Cameron to tell him why.

"Sgt Nolan, 43, joined the Army at the age of 24 and did tours in Bosnia, Iraq –
before he was made redundant from the job as a medical technician in the
Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers last September."

The man is in the prime of his life.
His experience and training are invaluable.
Why are they doing making him redundant?

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:34 pm

HindleA wrote:I avoid MeadowHell,as much as I can to be honest,Crystal Peaks at Halfway I found more bearable,pity they got rid of the cinema there.There is a tram there if you want to go to MeadowHell.

I wouldn't dare venture there nowadays, I remember going once around this time of year, spent 20 minutes finding somewhere to park and another 20 inside wandering around aimlessly through the crowds before leaving and coming home again.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:38 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Aalistair Campbell Tweeted supporting Stella Creasy. Said the Labour party is becoming a party of angry protesters.

I replied, that we are protesting because we are angry but some MPs aren't listening. I suggested they did...

(my bold)

Of course Labour is a party of angry protesters!
God damn Tory government for almost six years!

MsChin · Post by **MsChin** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 5:43 pm

Small world, eh, Mr H & Mr L. I not only know those areas you've discussed quite well but I also live near-ish to Crystal Peaks. If forced to go to Meadowhell, I go via the former Orgreave site & along past the former Sheffield airport & then up Shepcote Lane.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 6:03 pm

My better half loved "shopping"I think the phrase is,we went all over-Leeds,Nottingham,Birmingham,Norwich.She was so organised,I have no presents to buy,as she always bought them in the sales just after xmas,or indeed cards which she had already made.An easy time for me,in that regard.I won't miss the shopping but I shall miss the joy in her eyes.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 6:34 pm

Daft - and possibly insensitive question - HindleA - but are you going to be OK at Christmas? Everyone does Christmas differently - but I hope you're going to have people to share some of the time with if that's what you want - or if not that you are going to have a good time indulging yourself in exactly the way you want.

And, of course, some of us will still be around on FTN. Mr Riots and I don't really do Christmas in the traditional sense - we do our own thing.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 6:37 pm

Emily Thornberry ‏@EmilyThornberry 20s20 seconds ago Islington, London
When I finished Xmas shopping tonight, it was snowing on Oxford St - not a lot, but definitely snow! SNOW

Cor blimey. Snow in London. Meanwhile it's ridiculously mild here ......................... and beyond ridiculously wet. Memo to the Christmas superbeing PLEASE STOP IT RAINING.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 6:44 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Emily Thornberry ‏@EmilyThornberry 20s20 seconds ago Islington, London
When I finished Xmas shopping tonight, it was snowing on Oxford St - not a lot, but definitely snow! SNOW
Cor blimey. Snow in London. Meanwhile it's ridiculously mild here ......................... and beyond ridiculously wet. Memo to the Christmas superbeing PLEASE STOP IT RAINING.

Snow? Blimey. We didn't get any. At least I didn't see it.
Yes it's mild here too. I've just opened a living room window wide for ten minutes. I was coming over all unneccesary.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Sun 13 Dec, 2015 6:47 pm

I noticed lots of today's headlines using Trump as a double meaning. Love to see one next week,
Trump follows through!
Sorry a bit messy for a Sunday evening.