Thursday 24th March 2016

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:33 pm

Q: Productivity growth is expected to be permanently lower. So can productivity growth drive economic growth.

Osborne says he is optimistic about productivity growth, but that he is not basing his plans on it.

He says there has been research into productivity and some of the findings are strange. For example, booking a holiday with a travel agent in person is deemed more productive than doing it online. That does not feel right, he says.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... 1a6a6e21ca" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's the Chancellor of the UK.
Unbelievable

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:37 pm

HindleA wrote:Just to give context to the 22million mentioned,15million discretionary to JCP for those deemed not fit for work having £30 p.w.lobbed off-conditional on being jobseeking/work related.

How do we effectively transmit this important information to the people?
'Look what government spends money on. Is this okay with you?'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:45 pm

RIP Johan Cruyff

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:47 pm

Dear whoever,stop taking my life away,thanks.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 12:47 pm

HindleA wrote:RIP Johan Cruyff

F***, no

What a year 2016 is turning out to be on this front......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:05 pm

http://linkis.com/www.theguardian.com/icWgT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:08 pm

Cancer, again. Though sadly not a surprise in this case given how much he loved his cigs.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:11 pm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:27 pm

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1415983 ... ge-loss-of" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government decisions are leading to a huge loss of genuinely affordable homes to rent and buy - John Healey

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:33 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... h#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Department for Work and Pensions needs fixing – here’s how to do it
Frances Ryan

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 1:51 pm

Good day. Just a couple of lighter links before your afternoon naps;

For the budding authors,

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For the language specialists,

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All the best to those in some physical or mental discomfort. I do think of you all in contemplative moments.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:03 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 3m3 minutes ago
Ipsos-MORI
Osborne, 60% dissatisfied to 27% satisfied.
Before GE2015 he had net positive.

Six in 10 people are dissatisfied with Mr Osborne, including a third of Conservative supporters, compared with 46 per cent of the public in the month before the Budget.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who led opposition to cuts in disability benefits, has enjoyed a surge in his ratings, overtaking David Cameron.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 10916.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:04 pm

I would like to take the opportunity of thanking Anatoly for the weekly local election round ups which I find absorbing reading and look forward to now as a weekly pleasure! They are so much more informative than the published polls. However, more generally and worryingly, I do sense a Lib Dem recovery based on the message that they kept the Tories under some sort of reasonable control even though we know that they colluded on some of the more harmful policies not least the NHS and austerity.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:08 pm

martinson wrote:I would like to take the opportunity of thanking Anatoly for the weekly local election round ups which I find absorbing reading and look forward to now as a weekly pleasure! They are so much more informative than the published polls. However, more generally and worryingly, I do sense a Lib Dem recovery based on the message that they kept the Tories under some sort of reasonable control even though we know that they colluded on some of the more harmful policies not least the NHS and austerity.

I know how you feel - but I'd happily settle for them regaining their heartlands (which are unlikely to go to Labour) if that contributes to the Conservatives losing the next General Election.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:24 pm

Been doing the "Cruyff turn",unfortunately it was more like "do yourself a mischief"

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:26 pm

A cold, wet day.

Coming in from shopping found a bumble bee in distress on the garden path, so I put it in cream cheese box, brought it indoors and offered it sugar syrup, which it totally ignored. Then I tried it with best Manuka honey. That did the trick. I put the box by an open window, it lapped for a good fifteen minutes and then flew off.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:30 pm

A swarm of bees feign injury as the buzz word goes around.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 2:44 pm

Karadzic sentenced to 40 years.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... -srebenica" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:04 pm

George Osborne defends blocking analysis that shows how much money he takes from the poor and gives to the rich
The Treasury no longer publishes a core part of its distributional analysis

The Treasury used to publish a so-called distributional analysis with its budgets and autumn statements that included
a clear chart showing the impact of all changes on the incomes of all groups – from the poorest to the richest.

The scrapping coincides with independent analyses showing the Government's recent budgets have tended to
redistribute away from the poor and towards higher earners.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 49981.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:09 pm

citizenJA wrote:
George Osborne defends blocking analysis that shows how much money he takes from the poor and gives to the rich
The Treasury no longer publishes a core part of its distributional analysis

The Treasury used to publish a so-called distributional analysis with its budgets and autumn statements that included
a clear chart showing the impact of all changes on the incomes of all groups – from the poorest to the richest.

The scrapping coincides with independent analyses showing the Government's recent budgets have tended to
redistribute away from the poor and towards higher earners.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 49981.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two alternatives. Scrap the measurement. Do something else and give it the same/similar name.

Its the Tory way.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:13 pm

IDS' skips out and the remaining Tory front bench are totally fine with it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:21 pm

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 36% (-3)
LAB: 34% (+1)
UKIP: 11% (-1)
LDEM: 10% (+4)
GRN: 3% (-)
(via Ipsos Mori / 19 - 22 Mar)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:26 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2h2 hours ago
Corbyn & Farage big gainers in latest Ipsos satisfaction ratings. Cameron the big loser well behind LAB leader

Just for the little bit of pleasure such tweets are giving me in an otherwise pretty shit time for me and Mr Riots.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:33 pm

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

"The Gov't's policies will improve the state of Britain's economy":

Agree: 43% (-5)
Disagree: 49% (+2)
(via Ipsos Mori)
Chgs. from Nov 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:34 pm

PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 6m6 minutes ago
'A woman is a man with a womb' - David Coburn sets the record straight - via @HolyroodDaily
http://bit.ly/1S8Nh65" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Only response ....

Where do they find them? Just where do they find them, time after time after time again?

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:34 pm

Thanks 2 everyone again for concern xxx Love the chocs Maeght. Internet crap here, try again soon Toby

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:40 pm

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

EU referendum poll:

Remain: 46% (-2)
Leave: 35% (+2)
(via Survation, phone / 17 - 19 Mar)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:44 pm

Really fecking helpful.

Labour MP Stella Creasy attacks Momentum movement

http://gu.com/p/4hp45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:46 pm

Hi Toby.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:54 pm

Lovely to hear from Toby, & Martinson & How Silly.

Thanks SeeingClearly - your info is much appreciated - have been given amitriptyline & the dreaded Sumitriptan for OM, which comes with a mass of very serious potential side effects
Will ask the GP next week, when she wants me back, about B12.

Some cheering news about the polling...long may it last.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 3:54 pm

Hi Toby!!!!!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:02 pm

Good article on TTIP.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... gainst-it/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Makes the point that the Single Market as we already know it is far more ambitious than TTIP, that it was predicted to be a race to the bottom on regulatory standards, but wasn't.

But also argues that TTIP will entrench the existing order of large corporations dominating markets. I'm not sure I see that changing much anyway, so I wouldn't worry as much about it as some.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:05 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Really fecking helpful.

Labour MP Stella Creasy attacks Momentum movement

http://gu.com/p/4hp45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She has been personally targeted by an individual within them, tbf.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:08 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh dear, this is simply unacceptable behaviour from the CEO of Perry Beeches. Taxi for Nolan?

How on earth did he think that was the right thing to do after all the previous noises about public sector employees being paid through companies. This is worse since it's him that's signing it off!

Did you know Liam Nolan had been caught dogging, and convicted of outraging public decency?

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/lo ... olan-72420" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To say the least, I don't like people being prosecuted, named and shamed and all the rest, for this sort of thing. But I wonder if Mr LA Comp Head would have been allowed to rebuild his career so easily?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Really fecking helpful.

Labour MP Stella Creasy attacks Momentum movement

http://gu.com/p/4hp45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She has been personally targeted by an individual within them, tbf.

Yes I've every sympathy for her over that. But that doesn't automatically make Momentum itself a bad thing. Then there's having the thought process to ensure that there are no negative stories for Labour / Corbyn to allow the MSM ease up on the coverage of the Tories infighting. A bit more savvy please!

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:18 pm

yahyah wrote:Lovely to hear from Toby, & Martinson & How Silly.

Thanks SeeingClearly - your info is much appreciated - have been given amitriptyline & the dreaded Sumitriptan for OM, which comes with a mass of very serious potential side effects
Will ask the GP next week, when she wants me back, about B12.

Some cheering news about the polling...long may it last.

Are you feeling better yet yahyah?
Btw,I used sumatriptan for years.It worked and I didn't suffer any side effects at all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:20 pm

HindleA wrote: Hi Toby.

Hi Toby!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:21 pm

TR'sGhost wrote:
Had Galtieri waited a year until Thatcher's army redundancies and naval cuts had taken effect M Thatcher would have gone down in history as the woman who lost the Falklands to a struggling murderous South American despot she thought was an asset against communism/socialism and was firmly on "our side" like that other murderous despot her good friend Augusto Pinochet.

She didn't have to hold another election till 1984. She wouldn't have won a 144 seat majority, but plenty of time to pick her moment and win, I think, on the back of good growth and low inflation.

See here.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... th-economy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:28 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Really fecking helpful.

Labour MP Stella Creasy attacks Momentum movement

http://gu.com/p/4hp45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She has been personally targeted by an individual within them, tbf.
Yes I've every sympathy for her over that. But that doesn't automatically make Momentum itself a bad thing. Then there's having the thought process to ensure that there are no negative stories for Labour / Corbyn to allow the MSM ease up on the coverage of the Tories infighting. A bit more savvy please!

What concerns me is some Lab MPs, seem unable to grasp the bigger picture. Like you I sympathise, but then I have to wonder what are they doing in a job where a thick skin is essential.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:44 pm

Kate Proctor
‏@KateProctorYP
David Cameron arrives in Lanzarote for Easter...after telling Brits to holiday in Yorkshire http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/dav ... -1-7816454" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

I'm getting to quite like - almost relish - the good old Yorkshire Post.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 4:50 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: She has been personally targeted by an individual within them, tbf.
Yes I've every sympathy for her over that. But that doesn't automatically make Momentum itself a bad thing. Then there's having the thought process to ensure that there are no negative stories for Labour / Corbyn to allow the MSM ease up on the coverage of the Tories infighting. A bit more savvy please!
What concerns me is some Lab MPs, seem unable to grasp the bigger picture. Like you I sympathise, but then I have to wonder what are they doing in a job where a thick skin is essential.

And I think SC actually has a pretty thick skin overall (she got threatened with rape, remember) but she seems to attract more dislike than several Labour MPs with similar politics. I don't blame her for thinking that isn't really fair.

Also slightly ironic she doesn't appear to get on with Jez, given they seem to share certain similarities (not least feeling distant from much of the PLP)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 5:20 pm

Rebecca wrote:
yahyah wrote:Lovely to hear from Toby, & Martinson & How Silly.

Thanks SeeingClearly - your info is much appreciated - have been given amitriptyline & the dreaded Sumitriptan for OM, which comes with a mass of very serious potential side effects
Will ask the GP next week, when she wants me back, about B12.

Some cheering news about the polling...long may it last.
Are you feeling better yet yahyah?
Btw,I used sumatriptan for years.It worked and I didn't suffer any side effects at all.

Thanks for asking. Good to hear it's suited you, have been a bit wary of it since reading the leaflet.

I haven't used it yet, have only been given 4 sprays - two doses to try it out.
The bad attacks now are at about 5am, so will try it then. Remember that it was very expensive from the days I used to be a part time PCT prescribing budget bod, one of those NHS admin peeps that right wingers always moan about.

The warnings for risk include me for being post-menopause, high BP [down from it's 270 peak but still in the red at times]and SSRI use, but the doc thinks the benefits to my health will outweigh the risk, and if it works it will confirm the diagnosis of OM.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 5:27 pm

iain watson ‏@iainjwatson 3m3 minutes ago
UKIP's @SuzanneEvans1 says she was asked back to the Conservative Party but declined - and doesn't say who asked her

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 5:39 pm

Poland axes promise to take in 7,000 migrants after Brussels suicide bombings as Prime Minister warns of 'plague' of radicalisation
Poland had planned to take in 7,000 migrants, according to the agreement
But the country's Prime Minister says she is now abandoning the pledge
Beata Szydlo said: 'I don’t see a possibility for migrants to come to Poland'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z43qKhTXdw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know what to say about that.

I wish we could switch the world off and then back on again to sort it out.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:11 pm

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago
BLIMEY. Ukip now claiming Suzanne Evans's lawyer threatened she would allege that Nigel Farage beats his wife http://www.breitbart.com/london/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago
A Ukip spokesman has denied that Nigel Farage beats his wife

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 57m57 minutes ago
Suzanne Evans lawyer Richard Hendron tells me he did tell Ukip lawyer that rumour Farage beats wife might appear in Evans witness statement

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:18 pm

Rees-Mogg ‏@JakeReesMogg 25m25 minutes ago
I was once asked to leave an inferior restaurant in Mayfair because they "were closing" - so I very much understand how @SuzanneEvans1 feels

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:23 pm

yahyah wrote:
Rebecca wrote:
yahyah wrote:Lovely to hear from Toby, & Martinson & How Silly.

Thanks SeeingClearly - your info is much appreciated - have been given amitriptyline & the dreaded Sumitriptan for OM, which comes with a mass of very serious potential side effects
Will ask the GP next week, when she wants me back, about B12.

Some cheering news about the polling...long may it last.
Are you feeling better yet yahyah?
Btw,I used sumatriptan for years.It worked and I didn't suffer any side effects at all.
Thanks for asking. Good to hear it's suited you, have been a bit wary of it since reading the leaflet.

I haven't used it yet, have only been given 4 sprays - two doses to try it out.
The bad attacks now are at about 5am, so will try it then. Remember that it was very expensive from the days I used to be a part time PCT prescribing budget bod, one of those NHS admin peeps that right wingers always moan about.

The warnings for risk include me for being post-menopause, high BP [down from it's 270 peak but still in the red at times]and SSRI use, but the doc thinks the benefits to my health will outweigh the risk, and if it works it will confirm the diagnosis of OM.

Forgot about the hypertension thing.
Blimey,though,a systolic of 270 is incredibly high.You take it easy for a while(or more than a while) x

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:25 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Poland axes promise to take in 7,000 migrants after Brussels suicide bombings as Prime Minister warns of 'plague' of radicalisation
Poland had planned to take in 7,000 migrants, according to the agreement
But the country's Prime Minister says she is now abandoning the pledge
Beata Szydlo said: 'I don’t see a possibility for migrants to come to Poland'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z43qKhTXdw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Someone will have a quiet word. Tell them they're making Poland look stupid. And remind them they're the biggest net beneficiary of EU

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:25 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago
BLIMEY. Ukip now claiming Suzanne Evans's lawyer threatened she would allege that Nigel Farage beats his wife http://www.breitbart.com/london/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago
A Ukip spokesman has denied that Nigel Farage beats his wife

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick 57m57 minutes ago
Suzanne Evans lawyer Richard Hendron tells me he did tell Ukip lawyer that rumour Farage beats wife might appear in Evans witness statement

Mrs Farage probably doesn't clean behind the fridge often enough.And she's an immigrant.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 24 Mar, 2016 6:25 pm

All options for restart seem to be negative, RR, we just need to sort things out, as humans we could be doing a better job. I have all sympathies for the loss of the victims and for their grieving friends and families, re Brussels, but the refugee blaming thing is beyond comprehension to me, where refuge is desperately needed instead we see bigotry, and there have been several articles and comments even from friends that for the first time they understand the rise of fascism and how it was actually enabled by ordinary people, I've seen enough bigotry in the last year for a lifetime, I truly hope this poor planet and its people recover from it. It won't go away on its own so I am grateful to all who oppose it in many and individual ways. Every little bit helps.

On another note, for the first time I saw the point of Rachel Reeves, she is like a terrier when she wants to be (have I got the right kind of dog, doesn't let go?) well done her for hanging in today, the repeated refusal of GO to respond to reasonable questions duly noted.