Sat 9th & Sun 10th April 2016

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 9:28 am

I woke up to a constituent of David Cameron saying he'd voted for Cameron before but would never vote for him again on Radio 4 this morning. Most seem uninterested, however. Could just be BBC selected reporting, of course, but seemed to reflect things I've heard elsewhere from people who only care about policies that directly effect them ( tax cuts and pension rises) and are completely unable to make connections between things that don't directly affect them and things that do ( central government cuts to local councils and library closures and axed bus routes). Labour have so much work to do to educate people about politics before they can even begin to hope to win them over.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 10:25 am

David Cameron's own constituents would be amongst the last to desert him, I would have thought.

And any slippage in their support is good - lets never forget they didn't win the last election by *that* much.

Good morning, all

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 10:42 am

Morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36004804" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Young people with learning difficulties 'let down' - Ofsted

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 10:47 am

So - the Archbishop of Canterbury is this weekend's dead cat courtesy of the Telegraph.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 10:49 am

Totally naive of me, but I woke up this morning hoping, when I logged in, to see excited postings about Dave's resignation.

Ah well. If wishes were granted we'd all be kings.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 10:58 am

ohsocynical wrote:So - the Archbishop of Canterbury is this weekend's dead cat courtesy of the Telegraph.

I don't give a flying fig about that. Top of the BBC too. Sad, very sad.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:02 am

I Tweeted:

Dear Archbishop. So sorry you were chosen to be the dead cat this weekend.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:04 am

I wouldn't worry about that too much, its by definition a one day wonder.

The interesting thing to look out for is if the Sunday papers have done any proper digging over Dave.......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:05 am

ohsocynical wrote:Totally naive of me, but I woke up this morning hoping, when I logged in, to see excited postings about Dave's resignation.

Ah well. If wishes were granted we'd all be kings.

I must admit that I was looking forward to more revelations - and not of the biblical kind. Oh, well . . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:06 am

Good morfternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:11 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wouldn't worry about that too much, its by definition a one day wonder.

The interesting thing to look out for is if the Sunday papers have done any proper digging over Dave.......

True. Saturday's usually a bit of a fallow day for things of this kind (politics, not archbishops).

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:19 am

I read Dave's meeting his constituency activists.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that. Probably lots of vomit inducing, cap doffing, sycophancy.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:21 am

Live feed. Cameron protest.

http://bambuser.com/v/6202336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:25 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wouldn't worry about that too much, its by definition a one day wonder.

The interesting thing to look out for is if the Sunday papers have done any proper digging over Dave.......

I agree. The Justin Welby story is fascinating and reflects rather well on him, I think, given how difficult it must have been for him to get his head around. It's hard to see how it's a dead cat. Even the Church itself doesn't have an issue with an illegitimate Arch-bishop these days let alone anyone else. Of course, it brings up the whole thing about the son not being accountable for the sins of the father, which the Tories have been full of re Cameron, but the offshore investment Cameron admitted to on Thursday and the transparency for offshore trusts he blocked at EU level makes that argument redundant. And C4 seem keen to pursue the story, don't they? Are they miffed about being earmarked for privatisation?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:29 am

Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wouldn't worry about that too much, its by definition a one day wonder.

The interesting thing to look out for is if the Sunday papers have done any proper digging over Dave.......
I agree. The Justin Welby story is fascinating and reflects rather well on him, I think, given how difficult it must have been for him to get his head around. It's hard to see how it's a dead cat. Even the Church itself doesn't have an issue with an illegitimate Arch-bishop these days let alone anyone else. Of course, it brings up the whole thing about the son not being accountable for the sins of the father, which the Tories have been full of re Cameron, but the offshore investment Cameron admitted to on Thursday and the transparency for offshore trusts he blocked at EU level makes that argument redundant. And C4 seem keen to pursue the story, don't they? Are they miffed about being earmarked for privatisation?

My Bold.

Yes I was thinking about that. Looks as if C4 have decided in for a penny, in for a pound.
The BBC on the other hand have chosen the grovelling option.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:32 am

ohsocynical wrote:Live feed. Cameron protest.

http://bambuser.com/v/6202336" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not live. Repeating itself.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:41 am

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The facts are I bought shares in a unit trust, shares that are like any other sorts of shares and paid tax on them in exactly the same way.

Brass neck, I believe is the expression. After making a big deal of being all disapproving of complex offshore arrangements (and Blairmore holdings, what it's for and what it does, is plenty complex as far as I can see) he is now keen to have us believe that it's just a unit trust, of the type us ordinary folk invest in. Except aren't unit trusts open ended, allowing anyone to invest? Can Blairmore holdings really be described in this way? Surely Cameron can't get away with condoning offshore investment vehicles as merely "unit trusts" after spending so many years condemning them as aggressive and immoral tax avoidance schemes?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 11:42 am

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ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 12:17 pm

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Yes - there are now several hundred people outside the main entrance of the Connaught Rooms, and quite a few at the back.

I wonder how good the soundproofing is in there?

Best bit so far - a big pink pig-shaped pinata with Cameron's face on.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 12:28 pm

ephemerid wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Is this live? " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes - there are now several hundred people outside the main entrance of the Connaught Rooms, and quite a few at the back.

I wonder how good the soundproofing is in there?

Best bit so far - a big pink pig-shaped pinata with Cameron's face on.

Not exactly Iceland, is it?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 12:31 pm

So Dave says he could have handled the tax row better.

Is that it?

He got the PR wrong, that's all he's sorry for.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 12:32 pm

Oh and there are lessons to learn

FFS

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 1:03 pm

Now. If all those young people marching today would only bother to vote in 2020 the Tories would be hurting. Come to that, be nice if they voted in May too.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 1:21 pm

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 1:31 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Now. If all those young people marching today would only bother to vote in 2020 the Tories would be hurting. Come to that, be nice if they voted in May too.

If young voters had turned out on GE day as well as polls had previously predicted, we would very likely have had a hung parliament (though Tories still biggest party)

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 1:44 pm

I just want to thank seeing clearly and NeilBB and Ohso again for their help with my struggles to copy pictures etc yesterday.

I have now understood how to do it on a Mac! The worst bit was finding out how to reduce the size of the picture. The last time I did this I had a Windows machine and it didn't seem that hard.

Will practise a bit before attempting it again!

Only energy left now will be used to express disgust at Tory shenanigans.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:17 pm

Mellow Yellow liked your Retweet

2h: Typical British protest. They're chanting: "Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!" #resigncameron

pic.twitter.com/wmNgFi2yqd

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:20 pm

The Brexit nightmare is becoming reality. The remain camp is in denial
Natalie Nougayrède (Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ama-papers

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:28 pm

Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 12m12 minutes ago

Less than 24 hours till shocking truth of the #Whittingdale coverup revealed. Dominatrix is only the starting point

https://www.byline.com/project/48

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:32 pm

Jamie Ross ‏@JamieRoss7 1h1 hour ago
An SNP voter tells Kezia Dugdale "I am a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn and now you after that speech". Labour press officers must be euphoric.

Corbyn is in Edinburgh. Sounds like he's going down well from the tweets by Ross.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:35 pm

BBC TV News leading with David Cameron being 'umble and apologetic over the way he handled the Panama Papers thing. It's all his fault. What a noble man he is.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:36 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 12m12 minutes ago

Less than 24 hours till shocking truth of the #Whittingdale coverup revealed. Dominatrix is only the starting point

https://www.byline.com/project/48

Starting to look very much like the latter major years including the usual "bastards" - incompetence, sleaze, anti-EU, silly gimmicks that go wrong, u-turns.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:39 pm

What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:41 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 12m12 minutes ago

Less than 24 hours till shocking truth of the #Whittingdale coverup revealed. Dominatrix is only the starting point

https://www.byline.com/project/48
Starting to look very much like the latter major years including the usual "bastards" - incompetence, sleaze, anti-EU, silly gimmicks that go wring, u-turns.

Snag is they're able to sit tight for another four years and strip us and the country bare.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:42 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Peter Jukes ‏@peterjukes 12m12 minutes ago

Less than 24 hours till shocking truth of the #Whittingdale coverup revealed. Dominatrix is only the starting point

https://www.byline.com/project/48
Starting to look very much like the latter major years including the usual "bastards" - incompetence, sleaze, anti-EU, silly gimmicks that go wring, u-turns.

I'm expecting someone to facilitate more press digging into Osborne's affairs - financial and otherwise - pretty soon. The EU split plus leadership contest in the making is going to make that ever more likely.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:44 pm

ohsocynical wrote:What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.

There will come a point when people do more looking into the substance of what she says. It might not be coming soon - but it will come.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:47 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.
There will come a point when people do more looking into the substance of what she says. It might not be coming soon - but it will come.

I am beginning to heartily dislike her.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:47 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.
There will come a point when people do more looking into the substance of what she says. It might not be coming soon - but it will come.

Has Mr Riots had any of his pizza yet?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:53 pm

Stop moaning about Samantha Cameron’s ‘special advisor’ – you try being the PM’s wife for the day
From organising charity receptions in Downing Street to coordinating her personal work, parental responsibilities and state obligations there’s more than a full job of work to do for an assistant
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sto ... 76371.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What a load of .....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 2:55 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.
There will come a point when people do more looking into the substance of what she says. It might not be coming soon - but it will come.
Has Mr Riots had any of his pizza yet?

Tomorrow, tomorrow .... as the song goes. Following a trip to the supermarket which neither of us wants to do today.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:01 pm

PorFavor wrote:
The Brexit nightmare is becoming reality. The remain camp is in denial
Natalie Nougayrède (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ama-papers

She is absolutely f***ing awful, mind - so that makes me feel slightly better about things if anything

Yes, it is a worry that present events might feed into a pro-Brexit mood - but two polls taken this week show things basically neck and neck; on past precedent "leave" should be clearly ahead now to have any real chance on the day (and most pollsters seem to be trying to factor likely turnout in as well)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:04 pm

I enjoyed Any Questions if only for the obvious panel and audience anger over the 9m of 'money well spent' by Cameron sending out his Remain leaflet to us all. Michael Fallon actually got laughed at loudly when he did his usual blustering defence of it ...

Digby Jones - who isn't usually a favourite of mine to say the least - and Frank Field - who isn't usually etc etc - were both quite funny about it. They both consider it to be a massive own goal by Cameron.

If that audience is anything to go by (Prestwood in leafy Buckinghamshire) Cameron is going to get a lot of those leaflets right back at him.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:05 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
The Brexit nightmare is becoming reality. The remain camp is in denial
Natalie Nougayrède (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ama-papers
She is absolutely f***ing awful, mind - so that makes me feel slightly better about things if anything

Yes, it is a worry that present events might feed into a pro-Brexit mood - but two polls taken this week show things basically neck and neck; on past precedent "leave" should be clearly ahead now to have any real chance on the day (and most pollsters seem to be trying to factor likely turnout in as well)

I don't know anything about her, actually - so thanks for your take on it.

(Why is she so awful, by the way?)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:07 pm

Mark Townsend ‏@TownsendMark 9m9 minutes ago
Downing Street saying that Cameron will publish his personal tax affairs around 3pm today. Documents will cover last six years.

Is that wise? It will make sure the story carries over into Sunday - breaking that cardinal rule we all know about but are not sure where it came from.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:08 pm

Will it be copies of his actual tax returns or just his version of them ?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:09 pm

Sadiq Khan MP ‏@SadiqKhan 51s52 seconds ago
Hearing of more desperate Tory attacks today - @ZacGoldsmith is running a desperate dog-whistle campaign & should be thoroughly ashamed.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:12 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Mark Townsend ‏@TownsendMark 9m9 minutes ago
Downing Street saying that Cameron will publish his personal tax affairs around 3pm today. Documents will cover last six years.
Is that wise? It will make sure the story carries over into Sunday - breaking that cardinal rule we all know about but are not sure where it came from.

It is widely associated with one A J Campbell Esq, I believe.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:15 pm

Here's a little cheerer upper.

This Dog Café Gives Abandoned Pups The Chance Of A Better Life
Best idea ever.
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Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:31 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:What's the bloody Sturgeon up to again?
Earlier today in Edingburgh.

Can't paste the extract on here but it says:

The idea that Jeremy Corbyn will use his day trip to Scotland to lecture people on fairness, while supporting George Osbornes tax cut for the better off and Keziah Dugdale's plan to hike taxes on even the lowest workers - is incredible.
There will come a point when people do more looking into the substance of what she says. It might not be coming soon - but it will come.

She's a lying liar who tells lies. Even without the rebate, Dugdale's plan wouldn't touch the lowest paid. And the poorer, of course, benefit from public spending.

That "coming to lecture Scotland" is a really nasty meme. I presume she's not "lecturing" Wales when she turns up trying to shit stir.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 09 Apr, 2016 3:40 pm

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 3m3 minutes ago
I'd estimate 4k people at the #ResignDavidCameron protest. Including one girl with the sign 'I'm hungover as fuck but this is important.'