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Willow904 wrote:The following from Andrew Sparrow's blog is really interesting:
There was some confusion after PMQs about Jeremy Corbyn’s statement on Tuesday that: “We are not going to lose seats, we are looking to gain seats where we can.”

Asked whether he really meant this, an aide to the leader said Corbyn may have been “slightly misinterpreted”, adding that “what he said was that he said he would make no predictions about the number of seats to be won or lost.”

That assertion was challenged by the Daily Mirror’s political editor, who pointed out that Corbyn had clearly said Labour was “not going to lose seats”.

Corbyn’s aide clarified that the leader said in his previous sentence and elsewhere on many occasions that he was not going to make predictions about gains and losses.

Asked whether Corbyn had misspoken, the spokesman said: “I’m telling you what he intended to say. He was saying we are not in the business of losing seats.”
I listened to that entire interview yesterday and came away with the impression Corbyn had repeatedly insisted he wasn't going to make any seat predictions. I later read everywhere that Corbyn had said Labour wouldn't lose any seats and was confused as to where this had come from, to the point I commented on it here. The point I'm making is that if it was clear to me what Corbyn meant to say and appeared to be saying, how did journalists manage to not hear all the times he wouldn't be drawn but confidently reported the one mis-spoken sentence when he seemed to contradict himself without even double checking if they had heard it correctly? Surely it would be more factual to report him refusing to make predictions then point out he seemed to slip up and make a prediction after all. Instead this small snippet was reported as the entire gist of what he said, without context and, I believe, without quotation marks, as fact. No wonder I was so confused.
Yes. I'd read your post yesterday and it stuck with me. Needling demands made of Corbyn continued on into today though he'd
made clear initially he wasn't making predictions. It's culminated into media's overwrought spurious garbage thrown up out of
context. The reporting on this isn't funny, unintentional or minor.
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PorFavor wrote:

The Green MP Caroline Lucas asks Cameron to define a “modal verb”.

Cameron says the whole point of these tests is to ensure that the next generation is better educated than we are. (Politics Live, Guardian)
So six year olds should be better educated than a 49 (?) year old privileged, Eton and Oxford educated Prime Minister?
I thought the point was that Cameron and all had this education already and it was only lefties stopping others having it?
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"Advanced fish pointing"
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Mass exodus of sausages.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The following from Andrew Sparrow's blog is really interesting: I listened to that entire interview yesterday and came away with the impression Corbyn had repeatedly insisted he wasn't going to make any seat predictions. I later read everywhere that Corbyn had said Labour wouldn't lose any seats and was confused as to where this had come from, to the point I commented on it here. The point I'm making is that if it was clear to me what Corbyn meant to say and appeared to be saying, how did journalists manage to not hear all the times he wouldn't be drawn but confidently reported the one mis-spoken sentence when he seemed to contradict himself without even double checking if they had heard it correctly? Surely it would be more factual to report him refusing to make predictions then point out he seemed to slip up and make a prediction after all. Instead this small snippet was reported as the entire gist of what he said, without context and, I believe, without quotation marks, as fact. No wonder I was so confused.
Yes. I'd read your post yesterday and it stuck with me. Needling demands made of Corbyn continued on into today though he'd
made clear initially he wasn't making predictions. It's culminated into media's overwrought spurious garbage thrown up out of
context. The reporting on this isn't funny, unintentional or minor.
Corbyn appears to predict no seat losses.

Seats are lost.

Corbyn condemned as failing by his own measure.
Quite. They're pushing it though, by airbrushing out the multiple times he insisted he wasn't going to make predictions.
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http://blog.shelter.org.uk/2016/05/high ... -26m-bill/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

‘High’ to ‘higher’ forced sales mean 23,500 council homes lost per year and an average annual £26m bill
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Hillsborough inquests – and how the state fails the bereaved
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TobyLatimer wrote:What type of sausage ? i hope it is one of those long curly Cumberland things with extra pepper
Merguez :dance:

Hi Toby, good to see you.
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Housing Bill back in the Lords,for those interested,about half of the attempted amendments have already been financially privileged.
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TobyLatimer wrote:What type of sausage ? i hope it is one of those long curly Cumberland things with extra pepper
Hi, Toby!
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@PorFavor

I expect my three year old granddaughter to be better educated than a 49 (?) year old privileged, Eton and Oxford educated Prime Minister.

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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HindleA wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 10451.html
'Cruel' government policies blamed for depression and stress levels at Department for Work and Pensions

We do not accept these findings .DWP staff will be shortly applying increased support to each other to iron out any difficulties they may have said a robotic bullshit generator.
In Tory speak it could well be argued that they shall indeed offer more support to each other, A, when they have to claim UC themselves that is.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Shapps throws Feldman under the battle bus
http://order-order.com/2016/05/04/shapp ... attle-bus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not that I've read it, rebecca, but having seen Michael Green on Daily Politics I thought he'd said, "Not me, guv."
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@frightful_oik

Of course we do, duck.
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HindleA wrote:"Advanced fish pointing"
Well he did point out the the reddest of red herrings today, didn't he, A? Strangely I was thinking of how red he was himself just as he uttered those words.

Edit: I've just noticed that I've only given half the story. I was actually thinking red bloater at the time.
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http://labourlist.org/2016/05/labour-co ... itism-row/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Labour has confirmed the number of party members suspended in the row over anti-Semitism stands at 18.
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Kasich seems to be about to drop out. Gone back to Ohio to make a speech. He has some bridge building to do. Governors showboating for President doesn't go down well at home.

He came fourth in a two horse race.
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frightful_oik wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:I have absolutely no recollection of ever hearing the phrase "modal verb" before today.
You haven't lived!
Of course, here on the South Derbyshire Riviera, we know all about modal verbs. We do admittedly fret a bit over whether we're talking about deontic, epistemic or dynamic modality.

Ha! It's kept me awake many a night . . . .
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It's been a funny old day ... Making a doctors appointment for a blood test, ordering flowers for my uncle's funeral, writing out instructions for our new solicitor to make Mr Ohso and I new wills, and in between moving furniture around, baking bread and making a steak and mushroom pie.

The out of the ordinary side by side with the mundane. Such is life.
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PorFavor wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:
PorFavor wrote: You haven't lived!
Of course, here on the South Derbyshire Riviera, we know all about modal verbs. We do admittedly fret a bit over whether we're talking about deontic, epistemic or dynamic modality.

Ha! It's kept me awake many a night . . . .
In my case, ignorance is bliss ... ;)
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HindleA wrote:http://labourlist.org/2016/05/labour-co ... itism-row/


Labour has confirmed the number of party members suspended in the row over anti-Semitism stands at 18.
Roughly 0.005% of the total membership, then.
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HindleA wrote:Grammar experts,has A.Turley missed an apostrophe out prior to "phone" in lieu of "tele" or is this viewed as redundant?
I think it's viewed as redundant. But it's never stopped me. 'Bus, 'plane, too.

Yes, I know. You don't need to tell me . . . .
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote:I could have been a contender but for my ignorance of what a modal verb.
It's what marks us out as 'low achievers' along with lack of scads of money PF.
Oh, I don't know. I still manage to be one (and a poverty stricken one at that)! David Cameron has some very strange ideas about children's educational needs, doesn't he?
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Leave them in pubs,that'll teach them.
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He is an 'hole.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:Just seen a lesser redpoll on the feeder. First time.

Am envious. We were excited to see our first swifts of the year today.
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yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Just seen a lesser redpoll on the feeder. First time.

Am envious. We've were excited to see our first swifts of the year today.
I'm saying nothing.
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yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Just seen a lesser redpoll on the feeder. First time.

Am envious. We've were excited to see our first swifts of the year today.


You have to be quick.
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PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Just seen a lesser redpoll on the feeder. First time.

Am envious. We've were excited to see our first swifts of the year today.
I'm saying nothing.
I've edited it :lol:

In my own defence I'll let it be known that my new specs have not arrived at the opticians yet.
When they do, I'll have no excuse.
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Kerslake securing vote and wins,even on financially privileged amendments.
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And bigger wins.
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Have had an email from YouGov saying I've been selected to do a quick poll tomorrow on the election.
Presume it is a form of exit poll as they don't want a response unless you've voted.

Any one else who is on their survey panel been asked ?
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Re: Wednesday 4th May 2016

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HindleA wrote:"Advanced fish pointing"
A level chillaxing.
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Securing concessions in lieu of others.
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No,then again we haven't got any local elections.
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As TubbyIsaacs suggested,Kasich has dropped out.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Tim Shipman ‏@ShippersUnbound 9m9 minutes ago
Tim Shipman Retweeted Katie Hopkins
The ghost of @DPJHodges laughs uncontrollably

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If Sadiq Khan wins London, I will run naked down Regent Street with a sausage up my bum in protest #LondonMayor2016
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Nah, not really (repulsive though that image is). Just hope it would be a major humiliating experience for her.
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HindleA wrote:No,then again we haven't got any local elections.
But you have the PCC thing, no?

That's actually how 2016 is unique in recent non-GE years - everybody in the UK is getting some sort of vote tomorrow.

(this includes NI which has its Assembly elections, these have had if anything even less media coverage than is the norm)
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Image

The Lesser-Spotted Welsh Tory indulging in spring behaviour for the Welsh Assembly election.
Rarely seen in this part of the world, but a male in full plumage is pictured in my own village. :twisted:

The candidate has generally been shy in using the word Conservative in his literature.
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Other than voting cards some weeks back, I've seen nothing, nada, zilch on the PCC election.
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Yeah PCC ,already voted.
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I got a Labour leaflet(Labour incumbent,deputy standing)
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Locals and PCC here.

Literature from Labour and literature from the Conservatives re the locals. Nothing from anyone else - and nothing at all from anyone re PCC election.
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Being ensconced in a particularly stalwart Labour voting area,I sometimes forget that isn't necessarilly the generality at the County level,historically it has been Labour,but the Tories got control in 2009,only to be rather hammered in 2013,I genuinely think it was their changes to social care-historically our County led the progressive field whilst remaining free,that at least partially did them.Labour had retained some of their changes,I am out of the loop now as to events of late.I'll have to wait until next year to see how electorilly they stand.
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Did I dream the 6pm news on Radio 4 actually covering the Tory election fraud investigation? The BBC have mentioned it!
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rebeccariots2 wrote:Did I dream the 6pm news on Radio 4 actually covering the Tory election fraud investigation? The BBC have mentioned it!
Channel 5 had it as their lead story at 5pm, too.
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Rather depressing - someone on Michael Crick's twitter feed says that if any of the seats in question end up being recontested the spending limit will be as if for a by-election (£100k) rather than general election (£15k). As Crick says that gives advantage to the party able to commit the original offence ..... bloody stupid (that's me, not Crick).
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I did think over time at least at the parish level,given that "incomers"-homeowners,commuters etc now far outweigh what remains of the mining/unionised council housing "end" of the village that would effect voting preferences.It has,an increasing propensity to vote Labour,indeed even the redrawing of boundaries to include,for want of a better phrase "very posh" areas of other villages,this still applied.I know not that many people vote,but it still cheers me.
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Michael Rosen ‏@MichaelRosenYes 1h1 hour ago
Loving hugely successful people with a private education coming on TV saying they've been held back because they know no grammar.
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Twitter erupts as BBC struggle to keep Tory Election Fraud under wraps until after May elections

http://linkis.com/evolvepolitics.com/zf80R
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