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Good moaning.
What a load of stop-a-beds.
What a load of stop-a-beds.
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This is appalling.Defence Secretary Fallon, blasts Sadiq Khan as 'Labour lackey who shares platforms with extremists'
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Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!
Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!
Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.
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I saw mention of a drink problem re Fallon? Perhaps he'd been consoling himself a bit too heavily...frightful_oik wrote:Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!
Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.
I suppose you can't blame the Beeb for what comes out of the man's mouth, and it's yet another nail in the Cons coffin when they are so blatant...
In the shelter of their own homes I daresay a lot of people were nodding in agreement, but you can't have members of the cabinet spouting off like that on national radio.
Cameron has lost control. We're at crisis point, but he's surrounded himself with such a bunch of useless, nasty tossers the country is rudderless.
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Good Morning everyone.
Good Morning Mr Mayor,sir.
Thankyou ,London,for not backing Zac.
Good Morning Mr Mayor,sir.
Thankyou ,London,for not backing Zac.
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As Brucie would say - 'Didn't they do well!'Rebecca wrote:Good Morning everyone.
Good Morning Mr Mayor,sir.
Thankyou ,London,for not backing Zac.
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Morning all.
So happy about Sadiq Khan's win. Woooh - London has a Labour mayor again. Long time coming.
Vile though the Goldsmith and Cameron campaign has been - it may yet prove to be helpful for the future. It has achieved such notoriety and backfired so spectacularly it may mean such tactics can be very quickly called out in future campaigns - and because there is now a pretty established pattern to the Tory tactics of dividing / othering groups and demonising and scaring - it loses some of its efficacy and can be recognised by more people. It's also going to make more Tory MPs and politicians feel rather more wary about resorting to such tactics. The old shits like Fallon who are prepared to say and shout the indefensible are on the way out ... the newer intake with ambitions and hopes won't want to associate themselves with such stuff. That's my hope anyway.
So happy about Sadiq Khan's win. Woooh - London has a Labour mayor again. Long time coming.
Vile though the Goldsmith and Cameron campaign has been - it may yet prove to be helpful for the future. It has achieved such notoriety and backfired so spectacularly it may mean such tactics can be very quickly called out in future campaigns - and because there is now a pretty established pattern to the Tory tactics of dividing / othering groups and demonising and scaring - it loses some of its efficacy and can be recognised by more people. It's also going to make more Tory MPs and politicians feel rather more wary about resorting to such tactics. The old shits like Fallon who are prepared to say and shout the indefensible are on the way out ... the newer intake with ambitions and hopes won't want to associate themselves with such stuff. That's my hope anyway.
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Now that is what you'd call slanted.Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 39m39 minutes ago
I'll be presenting with David Mellor on LBC from 10am to 12 noon. Our guests inc. Michael Heseltine, Charlie Falconer Liam Fox, Dan Hodges
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Morning Oikfrightful_oik wrote:Morning.
Got my cast off yesterday! Still swollen to my surprise. Got to wear a special boot for 3 weeks. Going to my first match since March today. Had my first shower since March too. Bliss!
Did anyone else hear Fallon making a complete and utter arse of himself on Toady? Still going on about Khan's extremist links. May have libelled Gani.
and never forget that Cameron himself repeated the claim in the House, where of course the lying toad is protected by parliamentary privilege.
Dave will happily see Fallon taking the flak for this.....
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Tim Montgomerie in Conservative Home - worth reading.
Interesting discussion of election tactics etc re 2015 and for the future and in comments BTL too.Zac was crushed and lost his authenticity. Because he followed the Crosby playbook – which failed him, the Conservatives and London
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... tably.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I agree with what a lot of Tim has said
We won at the last election because of a superb 'project fear' campaign about ed Miliband and the SNP, that's enough to get a narrow win against a weak opponent but as Tim says it'll never be enough to get past 35% or so nationally and get a decent majority - we have to have a positive message to reach out to the people - and bashing doctors and badgering schools isn't that message either
Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough
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It actually coincided nicely with the rumblings of fraud. Now the elections are over, and we might [big word] get more publicity on the election overspends, hopefully it will awaken the sense of duty, fair play and decency we Brits are supposed to have in abundance. Some of us never lost it. Many have.rebeccariots2 wrote:Morning all.
So happy about Sadiq Khan's win. Woooh - London has a Labour mayor again. Long time coming.
Vile though the Goldsmith and Cameron campaign has been - it may yet prove to be helpful for the future. It has achieved such notoriety and backfired so spectacularly it may mean such tactics can be very quickly called out in future campaigns - and because there is now a pretty established pattern to the Tory tactics of dividing / othering groups and demonising and scaring - it loses some of its efficacy and can be recognised by more people. It's also going to make more Tory MPs and politicians feel rather more wary about resorting to such tactics. The old shits like Fallon who are prepared to say and shout the indefensible are on the way out ... the newer intake with ambitions and hopes won't want to associate themselves with such stuff. That's my hope anyway.
I find it ironic that the very people - uppers - who propagated those qualities whether real or imagined, have trampled them into the ground.
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And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.
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We've been hearing that a lot, Jemima of course, but even John McDonnell on Thursday night.rebeccariots2 wrote: Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough
I think he's been outed as a lightweight, he let someone else run his campaign and has ended up with his reputation trashed.
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Just don't bother going btl,a rather foul place to find yourself,(or oneself if feeling a bit posh)on a Saturday morning.rebeccariots2 wrote:And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.
Full of very nasty Tory comments.
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If some crowd funding is required for that I would chip in. It needs to be done to stop people like Fallon getting away with using their privileged platforms - our national broadcaster FFS - to make such slurs. It would also keep Cameron's equally / worse behaviour in the HoC in the news.Owen Jones @OwenJones84 17m17 minutes ago
Suliman Gani should sue Michael Fallon for repeating the libel that he's a supporter of ISIS on Radio 4 this morning.
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Young Zac with his cushioned life style where everything comes easy, failed to realise one thing.rebeccariots2 wrote:Tim Montgomerie in Conservative Home - worth reading.
Interesting discussion of election tactics etc re 2015 and for the future and in comments BTL too.Zac was crushed and lost his authenticity. Because he followed the Crosby playbook – which failed him, the Conservatives and London
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... tably.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;I agree with what a lot of Tim has said
We won at the last election because of a superb 'project fear' campaign about ed Miliband and the SNP, that's enough to get a narrow win against a weak opponent but as Tim says it'll never be enough to get past 35% or so nationally and get a decent majority - we have to have a positive message to reach out to the people - and bashing doctors and badgering schools isn't that message either
Zac has always struck me as a thoughtful honest man and I don't think his campaign put that across anywhere near enough
You can't be a Tory, rise to the top and be honest, decent and thoughtful. It's like trying to mix oil and water. The ESA cuts which all the Tories voted for, proved that. Many head charities. If they really cared; gave it thought, they could not have gone along with the Conservative line.
I would label him naive.
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Me too.rebeccariots2 wrote:If some crowd funding is required for that I would chip in. It needs to be done to stop people like Fallon getting away with using their privileged platforms - our national broadcaster FFS - to make such slurs. It would also keep Cameron's equally / worse behaviour in the HoC in the news.Owen Jones @OwenJones84 17m17 minutes ago
Suliman Gani should sue Michael Fallon for repeating the libel that he's a supporter of ISIS on Radio 4 this morning.
I've already donated to the fund to take Hunt to court. Money well spent
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I'm going on a picnic later today ... Last minute as son has been keeping an eye on the weather. He sprang it on us yesterday evening.
Normally I enjoy doing the food, but waiting 'til Friday evening when the fridge is decidedly bare? They'll have to fend for themselves this time.
Normally I enjoy doing the food, but waiting 'til Friday evening when the fridge is decidedly bare? They'll have to fend for themselves this time.
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Good morfternoon.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... an-cartoonMartin Rowson on Tony Blair and Labour's election results – cartoon
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I'm going to point out *again* - that this is pretty much exactly the same level of 'failure' (if we're not being Rentoul / Martin sardonic 'success') that Labour in Wales achieved. Holyrood has double the number of seats as the Welsh Assembly - the SNP are 2 seats short of a majority - Labour are 1 seat down from last time.John Rentoul @JohnRentoul 5m5 minutes ago
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SNP slump to 2 seats short of a majority.
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@JohnRentoul @Scottishcringe @paulieboy1 the other parties must dream of that level of 'failure'.
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Fallon's fucked, Gani will sue has arse off for that.
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'Does anyone know what time Hopkins is doing the sausage thing?'
From BTL on the Huff Post piece on Tories congratulating Khan.
Does anyone know?
From BTL on the Huff Post piece on Tories congratulating Khan.
Does anyone know?
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I wish. He'd have struck the buggers down at birth if there were.gilsey wrote:Yes. There is a God.
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Idle thought.
I wonder what Rustinpeace thinks of yesterdays results? He/she Tweeted that he/she paid £3 and voted for Corybyn because he spelled failure for Labour.
I thanked him for his vote then.
Need to thank him again.
I wonder what Rustinpeace thinks of yesterdays results? He/she Tweeted that he/she paid £3 and voted for Corybyn because he spelled failure for Labour.
I thanked him for his vote then.
Need to thank him again.
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Mr Riots is back to culinary form. House filled with smoke from charred toast.
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I really hope Mr Gani is closeted with his lawyers right now.Temulkar wrote:Fallon's fucked, Gani will sue has arse off for that.
Because there is no way in the world that the british government should get away with smearing a british citizen like this.
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Her congrats seem to have been a bit overlooked.Sayeeda Warsi @SayeedaWarsi 12h12 hours ago
From this daughter of a Pakistani bus driver to a son of a Pakistani bus driver congratulations @SadiqKhan
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ohsocynical wrote:Idle thought.
I wonder what Rustinpeace thinks of yesterdays results? He/she Tweeted that he/she paid £3 and voted for Corybyn because he spelled failure for Labour.
I thanked him for his vote then.
Need to thank him again.
Didn't our own Technical Ephemera predict many losses due to Corbyn just a few days ago?
Or am I not remembering correctly?
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He wasn't alone, tbf. I thought significant council losses were almost nailed on and said so.
Thought we might drop a few more seats in Wales too.
Delighted to be wrong
Thought we might drop a few more seats in Wales too.
Delighted to be wrong
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What do we reckon the relationship between Khan and Teresa May will turn out to be like? I'm betting she won't want to go anywhere near the Fallon / Cameron type remarks whilst she is looking towards a possible leadership campaign.
Wonder if Khan will find a good use for some redundant water cannon. Hosing down far too flammable senior Tory MPs spouting racist smears?
Wonder if Khan will find a good use for some redundant water cannon. Hosing down far too flammable senior Tory MPs spouting racist smears?
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I bet it hurt her to say that.Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Labour up 2% on those figures, Tories down 5%
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Fantastic news for @jeremycorbyn's @UKLabour. First national test of new leadership & we've beaten the Tories. Jon Trickett added,
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Paul Goodman @PaulGoodmanCH 23m23 minutes ago
Don't agree with all of it, but CCHQ should take this @Mohammed_Amin critique of @ZacGoldsmith campaign v.seriously
Mohammed Amin: I’m a Conservative, and voted for Zac. But I was disgusted by his repeated, risible attempts to smear Khan
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As Mayor of London we can assume that Khan will be called on by the BBC etc to pronounce on every political issue of the moment can't we?
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Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.Peter Oborne @OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago
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Hopefully, the contrast when Khan starts putting through decent changes will show just how bad Boris was at the job, and dissuade dotty Tories from saying they'd like to see him as PM ...PaulfromYorkshire wrote:As Mayor of London we can assume that Khan will be called on by the BBC etc to pronounce on every political issue of the moment can't we?
Well, I can live in hope can't I?
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I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote:Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.Peter Oborne @OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago
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Last thought before I venture out into the Spring weather, I hope Dave is slaughtered for his lie about Gani.
It really was an abuse of parliamentary privilege, because the lie had already been uttered by Goldsmith (or his campaign) outside of the House, and debunked.
So, Dave took into the house a known lie and repeated it. He should go.
It really was an abuse of parliamentary privilege, because the lie had already been uttered by Goldsmith (or his campaign) outside of the House, and debunked.
So, Dave took into the house a known lie and repeated it. He should go.
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Oh good Lord.After a week in which he has been pilloried across social media, one might expect George Osborne to steer clear of Twitter for a while. Instead, he issued a series of bizarre tweets on Friday morning which gave Twitter users ample fuel to roast the Chancellor once again.
Seemingly in reaction to Tory gains against the SNP in Scotland, Mr Osborne issued this nonsensical and classless tweet. He followed it up with a rash of others, none of which seemed to particularly impress anyone.
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At any other time in our history, he'd have resigned.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Last thought before I venture out into the Spring weather, I hope Dave is slaughtered for his lie about Gani.
It really was an abuse of parliamentary privilege, because the lie had already been uttered by Goldsmith (or his campaign) outside of the House, and debunked.
So, Dave took into the house a known lie and repeated it. He should go.
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Does anyone know if Khan is planning to stay on as an MP?
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I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote:Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.Peter Oborne @OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago
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I'd class them as old style Tories. It's been hard to understand why so many have kept quiet. It's taken an awful long time for them to speak out.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote:Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.Peter Oborne @OborneTweets 1h1 hour ago
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Don't think so. There'll be a by election in Tooting.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone know if Khan is planning to stay on as an MP?
As I said last night - wonder which candidate and party Suliman Gani - constituent and imam in Tooting - will feel like supporting?
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Tories pay money for that support - they'd not get it otherwiseRebecca wrote:Just don't bother going btl,a rather foul place to find yourself,(or oneself if feeling a bit posh)on a Saturday morning.rebeccariots2 wrote:And thank you Owen Jones for a great piece on 'doing a Zac' in the G.
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(my bold)Willow904 wrote:I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
Holy smokes - that must have confused the hell out of them
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Think I've remembered it right. Tories down 5%? Labour up 2%?Willow904 wrote:I've pointed out several times to gloating Tories btl at the G who think Corbyn means the Tories automatically win in 2020 that there's nothing about Labour doing badly ( if they do under Corbyn ) that directly translates into the Tories doing well. There are other parties and Coalitions remain a possibility. Both the main parties have been steadily losing popularity and the old adage that ruling parties rarely increase their vote share remains relevant. I believe post-Cameron could prove far trickier than they expect.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
They say with those percentages Labour would have won yesterday.
It's boundary changes that make the Tories the biggest danger now.
I think their policies and uselessness have finally begun to sink in so the only way they have a chance is to skew constituencies in their favour.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
Re: Saturday & Sunday, 7th & 8th May.
If Zac had won they wouldn't have said anything.ohsocynical wrote:I'd class them as old style Tories. It's been hard to understand why so many have kept quiet. It's taken an awful long time for them to speak out.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think right wingers like Oborne and Montgomerie do have clarity of vision, misguided though I feel they often are. I think they know that PR Dave with his opportunistic politics and complete absence of guiding principles risks entirely destroying the Tories. While conventional wisdom suggests Dave will pass on to George who will serial U-turn his way through to another victory in 2015 against a weak Labour party, there must be an alternative scenario where the Conservatives simply become a laughing stock.ohsocynical wrote: Oborne is really disgusted with the Tories, isn't he.
Re: Saturday & Sunday, 7th & 8th May.
He's a good son, what a lovely person. It's the Ohso families of the world keeping life a joy.ohsocynical wrote:I'm going on a picnic later today ... Last minute as son has been keeping an eye on the weather. He sprang it on us yesterday evening.
Normally I enjoy doing the food, but waiting 'til Friday evening when the fridge is decidedly bare? They'll have to fend for themselves this time.