Thursday 15th.Jun 2016

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:30 pm

yahyah wrote:
citizenJA wrote:dreadful
I'm beside myself
awful, awful thing

I've been crying, and praying for Jo and her family. And for the man who has nearly killed her, he needs it because he is hopelessly lost in a maze of violence and hate.

My other half is watching the Wales/England footie on recording, oblivious to the news.

You're a better person than I am, yahyah, I want his body fed to the animals.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:34 pm

Oh, there's a bit of me that feels very very angry too.

But I have to be careful with my high blood pressure. Trying to feel compassion is better for my body than ramping up the threat/stress/anger cortisol responses. I ain't dying because of some right wing toerag with the moral sense of a flea. He is not worth it.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:39 pm

I have a little more luxury than you, my blood pressure is kept under strict control.

And I am not a forgiving person when it comes to matters like this. It would be the same if this were a reversed situation. A demon has been unleashed today. We are every single one of us the more vulnerable from this moment onwards.

And next week, next Friday, once we know the result, there will be a Civil War.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:39 pm

There are more than a few "staged incident/false flag" (by the "remain" campaign, of course) ravings on Twitter.

I would like to say "unbelievably", but of course its anything but

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:40 pm

Will they never stop?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... he-commons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spot the dig at Corbyn. I want to cry.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:42 pm

mbc1955 wrote:I have a little more luxury than you, my blood pressure is kept under strict control.

And I am not a forgiving person when it comes to matters like this. It would be the same if this were a reversed situation. A demon has been unleashed today. We are every single one of us the more vulnerable from this moment onwards.

And next week, next Friday, once we know the result, there will be a Civil War.

Though even I am running a bit short of optimism at present, this could instead be the "black swan event" that causes at least some to pull back from the brink?

Here's hoping.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:44 pm

mbc1955 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
citizenJA wrote:dreadful
I'm beside myself
awful, awful thing

I've been crying, and praying for Jo and her family. And for the man who has nearly killed her, he needs it because he is hopelessly lost in a maze of violence and hate.

My other half is watching the Wales/England footie on recording, oblivious to the news.
You're a better person than I am, yahyah, I want his body fed to the animals.

Know how you feel and agree, but one man? This has been building since the coalition. I'd like to see all the hate mongers from day one when the scrounger rhetoric became a by-word, rounded up with Crosby in front. And Farage who's been allowed to get away with too much. His latest poster is a prime example.

They have loosed hate and evil but are never the ones to get hurt and suffer.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:45 pm

mbc1955 wrote:I have a little more luxury than you, my blood pressure is kept under strict control.

And I am not a forgiving person when it comes to matters like this. It would be the same if this were a reversed situation. A demon has been unleashed today. We are every single one of us the more vulnerable from this moment onwards.

And next week, next Friday, once we know the result, there will be a Civil War.

I think the demon was released a couple of years ago. That's when it seems to have started to get violent (as opposed to just nasty).

From yesterday's Scotsman:

An irate voter has been spared jail for threatening to kill a Labour councillor and chasing him down the street with a running chainsaw while the politician was on the campaign trail.
Conrad Procter, 40, shouted abuse at Labour councillor Paul O’Kane, 28, while he was out campaigning for former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy - telling him he would “cut his head off”.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/angry-vote ... -1-4155892

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:48 pm

Stephen Timms survived a murder attempt a few years ago, attacked during surgery

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:49 pm

Love one another

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:51 pm

Whatever the motivation, it follows on from the rape and death threats that high profile women have been getting on social media.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:52 pm

heal wounds, keep each other safe, breathe and love one another
keep living

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:52 pm

Pray God she pulls through. But whatever happens her blood is on their hands. Cameron, Farage and the rest of our nasty politicians. And the press. Oh yes, we mustn't forget the press's compliance in this dirty, cynical game of politics.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:54 pm

Britain First are doing a good job of being outraged about what's happened, blaming the media.

Why are they sending their slobby looking activists to training camps to do physical stuff if not because they want/expect/are provoking violence ?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:55 pm

Sorry, but we must not forget this. We must not forgive. Enough is enough.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:55 pm

Glad to see even this terrible incident is being used to have a go at Corbyn at the G.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:55 pm

Apologies. When I posted the gag earlier, I hadn't seen the posts, nor heard the news about Jo Cox.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:56 pm

law people will do their duty, keep dangerous people away from others, law enforcement will take care

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:56 pm

No worries danesclose.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:57 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see even this terrible incident is being used to have a go at Corbyn at the G.

FFS, what are they doing now?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:58 pm

It's being reported round the world. Part of me thinking 'This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:58 pm

citizenJA wrote:Love one another

Sorry CJA, but you can't love the people who are complicit in raking up so much hate, just for the sake of their own egos and pockets. They need stamping down. Permanently.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:59 pm

Cheltenham MP, Nigel Jones, was attacked with a sword at a surgery and he stood down at the next election.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 3:59 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see even this terrible incident is being used to have a go at Corbyn at the G.
FFS, what are they doing now?

' Chair of the Labour Women’s Network, Cox nominated Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership contest last year, but voted for Blairite candidate Liz Kendall in the end.

Cox later said she regretted helping Corbyn get on the ballot paper, and pulled no punches after Labour’s poor performance in last month’s local and Scottish elections.

As the disappointing results rolled-in, Cox told the BBC: “Jeremy needs to personally recognise that this isn’t good enough.

“He needs to take responsibility, he needs to set out a route map to power in 2020, and let’s rally first and foremost around the EU referendum.

“We need to look very hard at what’s gone wrong in the last eight months and put it right.”

Asked if she expected a leadership challenge, Cox said: “Nobody is talking about that now and I don’t think it is the right course of action, but the clock is ticking.” '

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:00 pm

Cancel the bloody referendum. If people can't take part in democracy without violence, why should they be rewarded by getting what they want ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:01 pm

yahyah wrote:It's being reported round the world. Part of me thinking 'This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain'.

we're living history
this is a big deal

I write words only to help, not tell anyone what to do, I'm concerned for blood pressures, I want no one afraid
thank you all for your continued patience with me

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:02 pm

yahyah wrote:Cancel the bloody referendum. If people can't take part in democracy without violence, why should they be rewarded by getting what they want ?

Agreed.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:03 pm

Right wing fruit loops are complaining that it was a 'Muslim bystander' who is an eyewitness.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:03 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Cheltenham MP, Nigel Jones, was attacked with a sword at a surgery and he stood down at the next election.

I remember the attack, but not whether it had a political motive.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:04 pm

citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:It's being reported round the world. Part of me thinking 'This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain'.
we're living history
this is a big deal

I write words only to help, not tell anyone what to do, I'm concerned for blood pressures, I want no one afraid
thank you all for your continued patience with me

Bless you CJA. I'm not afraid. I'm coldly mad!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:04 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Love one another
Sorry CJA, but you can't love the people who are complicit in raking up so much hate, just for the sake of their own egos and pockets. They need stamping down. Permanently.

I can love you
you can love me
that's all I meant

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:06 pm

Tea and choccy biscuits anyone ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:06 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see even this terrible incident is being used to have a go at Corbyn at the G.
FFS, what are they doing now?
' Chair of the Labour Women’s Network, Cox nominated Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership contest last year, but voted for Blairite candidate Liz Kendall in the end.

Cox later said she regretted helping Corbyn get on the ballot paper, and pulled no punches after Labour’s poor performance in last month’s local and Scottish elections.

As the disappointing results rolled-in, Cox told the BBC: “Jeremy needs to personally recognise that this isn’t good enough.

“He needs to take responsibility, he needs to set out a route map to power in 2020, and let’s rally first and foremost around the EU referendum.

“We need to look very hard at what’s gone wrong in the last eight months and put it right.”

Asked if she expected a leadership challenge, Cox said: “Nobody is talking about that now and I don’t think it is the right course of action, but the clock is ticking.” '

Why on earth do they think all that is even remotely relevant right now?

And they accuse Corbynistas of being monomaniacal and obsessed.......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:07 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:It's being reported round the world. Part of me thinking 'This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain'.
we're living history
this is a big deal

I write words only to help, not tell anyone what to do, I'm concerned for blood pressures, I want no one afraid
thank you all for your continued patience with me
Bless you CJA. I'm not afraid. I'm coldly mad!

Your health and safety are of paramount concern to me, my friend, writing you here and reading your words comfort me and I want to return the favour - that's all
one thing at a time, breathe, I write these things for my own benefit
thank you for your patience with me

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:09 pm

I'm just going to feed Mr Ohso some naughty food to keep his weight up.

Best back Bacon in a home made bun anyone?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:09 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: FFS, what are they doing now?
' Chair of the Labour Women’s Network, Cox nominated Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership contest last year, but voted for Blairite candidate Liz Kendall in the end.

Cox later said she regretted helping Corbyn get on the ballot paper, and pulled no punches after Labour’s poor performance in last month’s local and Scottish elections.

As the disappointing results rolled-in, Cox told the BBC: “Jeremy needs to personally recognise that this isn’t good enough.

“He needs to take responsibility, he needs to set out a route map to power in 2020, and let’s rally first and foremost around the EU referendum.

“We need to look very hard at what’s gone wrong in the last eight months and put it right.”

Asked if she expected a leadership challenge, Cox said: “Nobody is talking about that now and I don’t think it is the right course of action, but the clock is ticking.” '
Why on earth do they think all that is even remotely relevant right now?

And they accuse Corbynistas of being monomaniacal and obsessed.......

I read it earlier and thought how gratuitously shitty it was to include it in a supposed profile. The G seems able to scrape lower in the barrel that we thought.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Tea and choccy biscuits anyone ?

yes, please

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:10 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I'm just going to feed Mr Ohso some naughty food to keep his weight up.

Best back Bacon in a home made bun anyone?

yes, please

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:12 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote: ' Chair of the Labour Women’s Network, Cox nominated Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership contest last year, but voted for Blairite candidate Liz Kendall in the end.

Cox later said she regretted helping Corbyn get on the ballot paper, and pulled no punches after Labour’s poor performance in last month’s local and Scottish elections.

As the disappointing results rolled-in, Cox told the BBC: “Jeremy needs to personally recognise that this isn’t good enough.

“He needs to take responsibility, he needs to set out a route map to power in 2020, and let’s rally first and foremost around the EU referendum.

“We need to look very hard at what’s gone wrong in the last eight months and put it right.”

Asked if she expected a leadership challenge, Cox said: “Nobody is talking about that now and I don’t think it is the right course of action, but the clock is ticking.” '
Why on earth do they think all that is even remotely relevant right now?

And they accuse Corbynistas of being monomaniacal and obsessed.......
I read it earlier and thought how gratuitously shitty it was to include it in a supposed profile. The G seems able to scrape lower in the barrel that we thought.

Refers to "Labour's poor performance" as well - in the local elections it was very much in line with previous outcomes a year after a GE.

Just can't help themselves can they........

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:12 pm

There are very conflicting reports about what was and wasn't being shouted etc at the scene of the attack on Jo Cox.

I'm going to wait until there is a bit more clarity and confirmation to ponder what the motives might be.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:13 pm

yahyah wrote:Right wing fruit loops are complaining that it was a 'Muslim bystander' who is an eyewitness.

People don't have to wear spiritual tradition identity kit, surely?

For clarity, I wondered how those saying it was a 'Muslim bystander' knew the bystander was Muslim.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:15 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Pray God she pulls through. But whatever happens her blood is on their hands. Cameron, Farage and the rest of our nasty politicians. And the press. Oh yes, we mustn't forget the press's compliance in this dirty, cynical game of politics.

Agreed.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:15 pm

citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:Tea and choccy biscuits anyone ?

yes, please

& a

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:17 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:There are very conflicting reports about what was and wasn't being shouted etc at the scene of the attack on Jo Cox.

I'm going to wait until there is a bit more clarity and confirmation to ponder what the motives might be.

I haven't seen the conflicting ones...have you links please. [Not from Britain First or anyone from the libertarian right of course, they seem to be flooding social media with their opinions]

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:21 pm

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:There are very conflicting reports about what was and wasn't being shouted etc at the scene of the attack on Jo Cox.

I'm going to wait until there is a bit more clarity and confirmation to ponder what the motives might be.

I haven't seen the conflicting ones...have you links please. [Not from Britain First or anyone from the libertarian right of course, they seem to be flooding social media with their opinions]

Andy Bell ‏@andybell5news 34m34 minutes ago
Scene in Birstall where eye witness quoted says did NOT hear anyone shouting "Britain First" #JoCox

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:23 pm

Beth Rigby Retweeted
Sophie Warnes ‏@SophieWarnes 2h2 hours ago
Reports of 'britain first' def still unconfirmed

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:24 pm

Thanks.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:26 pm

I keep polished stones arranged on my desk and hold them
it comforts me

I write out 'love one another' and say it out loud
it comforts me
that's all I mean by it

this is profoundly disturbing to me, this news
absolutely devastating

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:26 pm

Even if the report is not eventually substantiated by the police, I reserve the right to be concerned about what Britain First activists are actually doing at their survival camps.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:26 pm

citizenJA wrote:I keep polished stones arranged on my desk and hold them
it comforts me

I write out 'love one another' and say it out loud
it comforts me
that's all I mean by it

this is profoundly disturbing to me, this news
absolutely devastating

When's your lovely man back from work JA ?