Thursday 15th.Jun 2016

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:28 pm

It is brilliant to have your elected Member of Parliament hold weekly surgeries where you can go in and see them You can't do that in the US.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:28 pm

Fiona Trott ‏@bbcfionatrott 11m11 minutes ago
#Birstall: Man arrested being named locally as Tommy Mair. More on @BBCNews @bbc5live #JoCox

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:29 pm

It is unacceptable to have this civility taken away
it is unacceptable to use violence

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:30 pm

yahyah wrote:Even if the report is not eventually substantiated by the police, I reserve the right to be concerned about what Britain First activists are actually doing at their survival camps.

They might say something at 5pm - they've apparently scheduled a press conference for then. Elsewhere someone has tweeted they are worried by the way some presenters keep referring to Jo Cox in the past tense and hoping it doesn't mean anything.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:30 pm

yahyah wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I keep polished stones arranged on my desk and hold them
it comforts me

I write out 'love one another' and say it out loud
it comforts me
that's all I mean by it

this is profoundly disturbing to me, this news
absolutely devastating
When's your lovely man back from work JA ?

Couple hours, darling.
Thank you for asking, you're good to me, my friend.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:31 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Fiona Trott ‏@bbcfionatrott 11m11 minutes ago
#Birstall: Man arrested being named locally as Tommy Mair. More on @BBCNews @bbc5live #JoCox

Almost definitely not a Muslim, then. That will disappoint some.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:32 pm

Ben ‏@Jamin2g 7m7 minutes ago
Eyewitness tells reporters he didn't hear anyone shout "Britain first", saying: "Never heard that".

There's a short video attached to that tweet.

We'll just have to wait and see. It's awful regardless of why.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:42 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote: Elsewhere someone has tweeted they are worried by the way some presenters keep referring to Jo Cox in the past tense and hoping it doesn't mean anything

Ugh, remember that happening before the official announcements were made for both Donald Dewar's and John Smith's demise. I fear the worst

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:44 pm

Britain First, as nasty as they are, are just a side effect of what has become a very sick society.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:44 pm

We may never find out why. He may not know why.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:47 pm

citizenJA wrote:It is brilliant to have your elected Member of Parliament hold weekly surgeries where you can go in and see them You can't do that in the US.

Our MP, Philip Lee doesn't...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:48 pm

torrential downpour, thunder, lightening, darkness here now
it's not a metaphor

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:49 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:It is brilliant to have your elected Member of Parliament hold weekly surgeries where you can go in and see them You can't do that in the US.
Our MP, Philip Lee doesn't...

How on earth does he make himself available to constituents then Ohso? Or does he leave it all up to his case workers?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:53 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:It is brilliant to have your elected Member of Parliament hold weekly surgeries where you can go in and see them You can't do that in the US.
Our MP, Philip Lee doesn't...

I thought that was by agreement?

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 4:57 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Fiona Trott ‏@bbcfionatrott 11m11 minutes ago
#Birstall: Man arrested being named locally as Tommy Mair. More on @BBCNews @bbc5live #JoCox
Almost definitely not a Muslim, then. That will disappoint some.

Someone tweeted this exchange:

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:00 pm

NoSuddenMovements btl at the G mentions that Jo Cox was campaigning for remain in a dinghy on the Thames yesterday.

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Apologies to those not on Twitter, but I haven't time to cut and paste.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:03 pm

Looks as if the attacker suffered mental health problems.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:03 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:It is brilliant to have your elected Member of Parliament hold weekly surgeries where you can go in and see them You can't do that in the US.
Our MP, Philip Lee doesn't...
How on earth does he make himself available to constituents then Ohso? Or does he leave it all up to his case workers?

I've never heard anyone refer to his case workers either. You have to write to him c/o HofP, and then he fixes up to meet you...According to another Labour member, he sometime's takes his father with him.
Apparently even our local Tory councilors don't like him.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:06 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Why on earth do they think all that is even remotely relevant right now?

And they accuse Corbynistas of being monomaniacal and obsessed.......
I read it earlier and thought how gratuitously shitty it was to include it in a supposed profile. The G seems able to scrape lower in the barrel that we thought.
Refers to "Labour's poor performance" as well - in the local elections it was very much in line with previous outcomes a year after a GE.

Just can't help themselves can they........

To be fair, that is from the AP, not written by the Graun. Just straight copy/pasted.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:15 pm

Jo has gone.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:15 pm

She has died.

Awful.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:15 pm

Jo Cox has died. BBC News.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:17 pm

She's died

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:19 pm

Frack frack FRACK

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:21 pm

Tory Andrew Mitchell gave her a lovely tribute, he is so obviously very moved as he speaks now.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:22 pm

don't lock down the country, Cameron

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:24 pm

Bastard bastard bastard bastard. Please let this 'Britain First' thing be misleading. Please let him be just some ordinary, deluded, f***head.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:24 pm

Condolences to all her family and friends. What a disgraceful , evil thing to have to suffer. Sad beyond words.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:29 pm

mbc1955 wrote:Bastard bastard bastard bastard. Please let this 'Britain First' thing be misleading. Please let him be just some ordinary, deluded, f***head.

Now being reported that the suspect subscribed to far-right sites........

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:29 pm

Dee Collins, the chief constable of West Yorkshire police...

"Jo Cox was declared dead by a paramedic at the scene, she says."

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:30 pm

Shattering news.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:33 pm

If there was a political motive, what the terrorist wants is to instil fear, grief, anger and cause division. Hard not to let them win, whatever the ideology that drives murder.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:36 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:Bastard bastard bastard bastard. Please let this 'Britain First' thing be misleading. Please let him be just some ordinary, deluded, f***head.
As with Orlando, how this scumbag justified the hate in his putrid heart does not interest me in the slightest

I'm trying not to judge until I know with any degree of certainty what I'm judging upon. On one level, what motivates such a man is irrelevant to the fact that a young woman, with much to offer, with two young children to bring up, has been killed, and that everyone who knew her has been hurt and damaged.

But we are a week away from a Referendum that holds enormous consequences to our country. And knowing whether or not this killing has something to do with that choice, has equally enormous consequences for this country and that future we are falling towards, headfirst, with frightening rapidity.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:39 pm

Tory government don't mind using fear, division and anger.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:42 pm

mbc1955 wrote:But we are a week away from a Referendum that holds enormous consequences to our country. And knowing whether or not this killing has something to do with that choice, has equally enormous consequences for this country and that future we are falling towards, headfirst, with frightening rapidity.

(cJA edit)

I agree with you.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:50 pm

I'm dreadfully sorry for her and her family, but have just realised, although I'm shocked, I'm not surprised, because I've had the feeling for weeks now that really bad things were going to happen. And someone losing their life is as bad as it can get.

Please let her death not be in vain. Let it be a wake up call.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:51 pm

Chris Ship‏ @chrisshipitv
The children of @Jo_Cox1 are aged 3 and 5 years

So cruel and unfair.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:54 pm

They will proud of their mum.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:55 pm

Helen Lewis ‏@helenlewis 4m4 minutes ago
Tonight's Question Time and This Week have been cancelled, BBC says.

Along with just about everything EU ref.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:58 pm

Too right - can we suspend the referendum "campaign" for the next bloody week please??

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 5:58 pm

And please stop us doing what happens in the States. A big outpouring of sorrow; demands that something is done, and then within a couple of days, it's business as usual.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:01 pm

yahyah wrote:They will proud of their mum.

They'll barely remember her. Hope she has extended family who can help fill the gap in their little lives.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:04 pm

Bloody referendum. Whatever happens next week things won't be the same.
All done to pander to UKIP to win votes back for the Tories last May.
Bleeping Cameron.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:04 pm

It could be that it is totally unrelated to the issues around immigration or the referendum but I somehow doubt it. For the last few years we have been subject to wall to wall saturation of xenophobia and racism in the media, a PM reffering to refugees as swarms, Farage popping up on the BBC at any given moment to advertise his cause.

Until we know for sure what the murderer's motive was I'm keeping an open mind though, but there has been a climate which has been allowed to develop that a lot of people in high places should bear a responsibility for, I don't like the way things are going. Not one bit.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:05 pm

ohsocynical wrote:And please stop us doing what happens in the States. A big outpouring of sorrow; demands that something is done, and then within a couple of days, it's business as usual.

W. Bush didn't lose the opportunity to use tragedy unrelated to justify a deadly military excursion elsewhere. Didn't take him two weeks, in fact.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:06 pm

It was her 42nd birthday next week as well - I'm sure preparations were well under way for that.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:07 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:It could be that it is totally unrelated to the issues around immigration or the referendum but I somehow doubt it. For the last few years we have been subject to wall to wall saturation of xenophobia and racism in the media, a PM reffering to refugees as swarms, Farage popping up on the BBC at any given moment to advertise his cause.

Until we know for sure what the murderer's motive was I'm keeping an open mind though, but there has been a climate which has been allowed to develop that a lot of people in high places should bear a responsibility for, I don't like the way things are going. Not one bit.

Your post mirrors my own concerns. Exactly.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:10 pm

Very lovely tribute from her husband. From the G:

Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo’s friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people.

She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn’t have a creed, race or religion, it is poisionous.

Jo would have no regrets about her life, she lived every day of it to the full.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:12 pm

I feel for Rosina Allin Khan if she is elected as MP for Tooting later.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 16 Jun, 2016 6:13 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:And please stop us doing what happens in the States. A big outpouring of sorrow; demands that something is done, and then within a couple of days, it's business as usual.
W. Bush didn't lose the opportunity to use tragedy unrelated to justify a deadly military excursion elsewhere. Didn't take him two weeks, in fact.

On TV I heard him advise people to not worry and go do some shopping. About the most crass thing I think I've ever heard.