Friday 17th June 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 6:18 am

Morning all.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 7:15 am

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danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 7:32 am

Morning all.
More evidence of how unelectable Labour have become under Corbyn.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 7:35 am

From Twitter:

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danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:00 am

Neil Kinnock just given a very moving interview on BBC Breakfast regarding Jo Cox. She was a long standing family friend & he said they considered her like a niece. Poor guy was in tears

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:11 am

Morning. Good result from Tooting. Very sad and sober morning otherwise.

Just to keep those of us who might need to know reassured we are not as doolally as we fear - it's not actually the 16th of June folks. It's the 17th. I had to check.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:33 am

danesclose wrote:From Twitter:

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Neither was the Daily Star ''Labour MP dead after attack by Brexit gunman. Jo, 41, butchered in the street'.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:36 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Morning. Good result from Tooting. Very sad and sober morning otherwise.

Just to keep those of us who might need to know reassured we are not as doolally as we fear - it's not actually the 16th of June folks. It's the 17th. I had to check.

Fixed now. In my defence it was quarter past six in the morning.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:40 am

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Morning. Good result from Tooting. Very sad and sober morning otherwise.

Just to keep those of us who might need to know reassured we are not as doolally as we fear - it's not actually the 16th of June folks. It's the 17th. I had to check.

Fixed now. In my defence it was quarter past six in the morning.

No defence required yahyah. I could have done the same at any time of day.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:41 am

June is rolling past, nearly the shortest day.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:43 am

Britain is in the midst of a working-class revolt
John Harris
Across the nation this past week I’ve heard the same refrain: ‘No one listens to us, no one cares.’ Now those ignored for so long are demanding a voice
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... referendum" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A lot of this chimes with the kinds of conversations and views I hear on doorsteps.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:45 am

Didn't sleep very well.

My husband reminded me that I had told him the other day that things were turning ugly.
I spent a lot of time reporting posts on Cif that wanted remain supporters or campaign leaders to be [often very offensively or sociopathically put] hung as traitors, or to die horrible deaths, sometimes during sexual acts.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:51 am

RobertSnozers wrote:I'm extremely wary of speculating about the motives behind the killing of Jo Cox, but this website appears to have evidence of literature purchased from a far right source by the alleged killer

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... U.facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Morning all.

I've left that somewhere where it might shut someone up - if only temporarily.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 8:51 am

Good to hear that Boris Johnson has said Farage's anti-immigrant poster is not his politics.
Maybe yesterday will be a wake up call.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:02 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:I'm extremely wary of speculating about the motives behind the killing of Jo Cox, but this website appears to have evidence of literature purchased from a far right source by the alleged killer

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... U.facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Morning all.

I've left that somewhere where it might shut someone up - if only temporarily.

Blimey, that sounds hardcore. This isn't just a man who just chatted to a few right wing mates in the pub.

I would also like to say, as someone who suffers mental health problems, as do many people, it is not synonymous with having such issues to research and further becoming a right wing terrorist.
Or to learn about making explosive devices and weapons. Or to want to murder people.

It does the unwell an injustice to suggest people are always without agency in their actions.
Apart from very few illnesses, there are always choices and decisions one can make along the way.

It is something my lovely CPN said to me the other week, about our intrinsic values and what makes us take stances.
Those values are there, often regardless of external or internal circumstances.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:23 am

yahyah wrote:June is rolling past, nearly the shortest day.

Longest? Get a grip, woman! Or is it winter again? It's dark and very wet here. Warmi(ish).

I hope you're feeling ok, by the way. Stressful times. (Don't mention the times . . . . )

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:23 am

Good morfternoon.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:24 am

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:June is rolling past, nearly the shortest day.
Longest? Get a grip, woman! Or is it winter again? It's dark and very wet here. Warmi(ish).

I hope you're feeling ok, by the way. Stressful times. (Don't mention the times . . . . )

Or maybe she's gone to the southern hemisphere, which would be quite understandable given the hell that the north is becoming.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:33 am

Good-morning, everyone.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:34 am

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:June is rolling past, nearly the shortest day.
Longest? Get a grip, woman! Or is it winter again? It's dark and very wet here. Warmi(ish).

I hope you're feeling ok, by the way. Stressful times. (Don't mention the times . . . . )

Stressful times indeed. Understanding how the fear/threat physical responses are triggered helps.
And now my physical health is coming under control, and all the excess fluid buildup has gone, there's less worry about that.

Hope things not too bad with you

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:35 am

yahyah wrote:I would also like to say, as someone who suffers mental health problems, as do many people, it is not synonymous with having such issues to research and further becoming a right wing terrorist.
Or to learn about making explosive devices and weapons. Or to want to murder people.

@yahyah, many thanks for succinctly saying what I've been trying to say.
Regarding the "lone nutter" excuse put forward by a number of papers, as Owen Jones pointed out this morning, when Lee Rigby was tragically murdered, the mental health history of one of his killers wasn't debated, rather the emphasis was on the ideology he followed

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:38 am

Full Tooting result. Thankfully UKIP came 5th & lost their deposit

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

Tooting, result:
LAB: 55.9% (+8.7)
CON: 36.1% (-5.8)
GRN: 2.6% (-1.5)
LDEM: 2.6% (-1.4)
UKIP: 1.6% (-1.3)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:39 am

Via Peter Jukes:

A boss, a worker and an immigrant sit at a table with twelve cookies.
The boss takes eleven cookies. He says to the worker 'careful, that immigrant wants your cookie'.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:40 am

danesclose wrote:Full Tooting result. Thankfully UKIP came 5th & lost their deposit

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

Tooting, result:
LAB: 55.9% (+8.7)
CON: 36.1% (-5.8)
GRN: 2.6% (-1.5)
LDEM: 2.6% (-1.4)
UKIP: 1.6% (-1.3)

Some good news. Thanks.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:42 am

What is perhaps reassuring is how little traction the "crazed loner" tag is getting. I think most folk see right through it.

Having said that, and not wanting to prejudge things we don't know yet, it will be very interesting to see how this incident is ultimately framed by the establishment.

I hope they lift the "pause" in campaigning soon. I'm not sure Jo Cox would have wanted the debate to stop there.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:42 am

I woke up very early this morning thinking of Jo Cox
dreadful and dark, her assassination

May her family and friends have love and support
Accept my condolences, please

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:44 am

yahyah wrote:
danesclose wrote:Full Tooting result. Thankfully UKIP came 5th & lost their deposit

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects

Tooting, result:
LAB: 55.9% (+8.7)
CON: 36.1% (-5.8)
GRN: 2.6% (-1.5)
LDEM: 2.6% (-1.4)
UKIP: 1.6% (-1.3)
Some good news. Thanks.

Absolutely good new, thank you all posting after I went to bed last night. I just didn't have enough energy to continue.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:48 am

Maybe all the people saying Mair wasn't political don't understand what right wing ideology is ?

Just because he wasn't an activist for a mainstream political party doesn't mean he wasn't political.
His alleged contact with extremist racist libertarians shows he was.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:54 am

Thank you, and danesclose.

I'm a jumbler of words, particularly when emotional, but feel it very strongly so am glad the meaning is clear, and agreed with.

People think karma means some sort of divine punishment. It doesn't, it means the law of causes and conditions, of cause and effect. Everything we do has a consequence.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 9:58 am

From the paper that initially called Anders Breivik's mass murdering spree "Norway's 9/11"

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:00 am

RobertSnozers wrote:I'm extremely wary of speculating about the motives behind the killing of Jo Cox, but this website appears to have evidence of literature purchased from a far right source by the alleged killer

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... U.facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At one point on the news yesterday, one of the witnesses had drawn the gun on a notepad for the scrum of press round him, it looked pretty much like that.

I was a bit concerned at the attention the witnesses were getting, doesn't help with the ultimate prosecution.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:01 am

yahyah wrote:Maybe all the people saying Mair wasn't political don't understand what right wing ideology is ?

Just because he wasn't an activist for a mainstream political party doesn't mean he wasn't political.
His alleged contact with extremist racist libertarians shows he was.

Best tweet I've seen on this:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:06 am

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The EU referendum is a battle of the press versus democracy
Martin Kettle

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:09 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ump-speech" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bernie Sanders says he will work with Hillary Clinton to stop Donald Trump
In a live-streamed speech, the Vermont senator made it clear he is no longer actively challenging Clinton and that the goal is to ‘defeat Trump badly’

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:14 am

Gabrielle Dee "Gabby" Giffords (born June 8, 1970) is an American politician from the U.S. state of Arizona. As a Democratic member
of the United States House of Representatives, she represented Arizona's 8th congressional district from January 3, 2007 until her
resignation on January 25, 2012, after surviving an assassination attempt that left her with a severe brain injury.

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Gabrielle Giffords Verified account
‏@GabbyGiffords

Absolutely sickened to hear of the assassination of Jo Cox. She was young, courageous, and hardworking. A rising star, mother, and wife.
10:24 am - 16 Jun 2016
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The assassination of MP Jo Cox at the hands of a man driven by hatred is a manifestation of a coarseness in our politics that must stop.
1:22 pm - 16 Jun 2016
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The scores of events that I and so many others like Jo Cox have hosted represent the importance of a democracy connected to its citizens.
1:44 pm - 16 Jun 2016
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I grieve for Jo Cox’s family, friends, constituents, and for the people of Great Britain.
2:10 pm - 16 Jun 2016
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Giffords was shot in the head while speaking at a political hustings held in the open air

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:16 am

Becoming an academy means that any failure can be swiftly rectified by moving them to another sponsor? Well, not quite...

DfE fails to rebroker 70 per cent of failing academies

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/failing-academ ... n-with-it/

The government has failed to rebroker more than two-thirds of academies rated inadequate by Ofsted, seemingly shooting down ministers’ claims their academies revolution enables swift intervention.
Education secretary Nicky Morgan has previously been critical of how failing local authority-maintained schools were “left languishing” under councils.

One of the key weapons in her argument for supporting the government’s academies programme is that the new system enables rapid improvement in failing schools, with the government able to hand struggling academies to new academy sponsors to drive improvement.

But figures obtained via a parliamentary question reveal the government has decided against intervention in 70 per cent of instances where an academy has been rated inadequate.

Grindon Hall up in Sunderland was supposed to be taken over by Bright Tribe last year - still hasn't happened even now.

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/failing-grindo ... -takeover/

Edit - in fact, Grindon was rated Inadequate and placed in special measures in November 2014 - so much for swift action!

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:19 am

citizenJA wrote:
Gabrielle Dee "Gabby" Giffords (born June 8, 1970) is an American politician from the U.S. state of Arizona. As a Democratic member
of the United States House of Representatives, she represented Arizona's 8th congressional district from January 3, 2007 until her
resignation on January 25, 2012, after surviving an assassination attempt that left her with a severe brain injury.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gabrielle Giffords Verified account
‏@GabbyGiffords

Absolutely sickened to hear of the assassination of Jo Cox. She was young, courageous, and hardworking. A rising star, mother, and wife.
10:24 am - 16 Jun 2016
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The assassination of MP Jo Cox at the hands of a man driven by hatred is a manifestation of a coarseness in our politics that must stop.
1:22 pm - 16 Jun 2016
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The scores of events that I and so many others like Jo Cox have hosted represent the importance of a democracy connected to its citizens.
1:44 pm - 16 Jun 2016
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I grieve for Jo Cox’s family, friends, constituents, and for the people of Great Britain.
2:10 pm - 16 Jun 2016
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Giffords was shot in the head while speaking at a political hustings held in the open air

Just after Sarah Palin's use of crosshairs.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:21 am

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... CMP=twt_gu

The EU referendum is a battle of the press versus democracy
Martin Kettle

"The Mail is a newspaper that wants power. The Mail is a player not an observer, today as in the past."

- Martin Kettle

Yep

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:23 am

I'm moved by and grateful for Giffords' messages

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:24 am

The link between Nigel Farage and Mair

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:25 am

Jonn Elledge

#Never cease to be shocked by the right's lack of a self critical impulse. Give me the left's internecine self loathing any day.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:27 am

RobertSnozers wrote:I'm extremely wary of speculating about the motives behind the killing of Jo Cox, but this website appears to have evidence of literature purchased from a far right source by the alleged killer

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... U.facebook" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sold.

First thing I thought of on hearing the news, tried to keep an open mind, but no. Not having (apolitical) "crazed loner" for a minute.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:28 am

Hearing about Jo Cox's murder yesterday, whilst in London, it was just so awful it seemed unreal.

The London Evening Standard also made the Brexit connection in its headline.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:40 am

danesclose wrote:
yahyah wrote:Maybe all the people saying Mair wasn't political don't understand what right wing ideology is ?

Just because he wasn't an activist for a mainstream political party doesn't mean he wasn't political.
His alleged contact with extremist racist libertarians shows he was.
Best tweet I've seen on this
[danesclose's tweet image]
(cJA edit)

Thank you very much!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:42 am

yahyah wrote:Good to hear that Boris Johnson has said Farage's anti-immigrant poster is not his politics.
Maybe yesterday will be a wake up call.

Of course, Brexit isn't his politics either - as that Spectator piece reminded us yesterday.

(certain people there couldn't have that of course, so it had to be censored - trouble is, doing that in this digital age is an increasingly futile exercise)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:43 am

yahyah wrote:Good to hear that Boris Johnson has said Farage's anti-immigrant poster is not his politics.
Maybe yesterday will be a wake up call.

Mmm. Call me cynical but I wonder if Johnson's alleged offer to Farage to be included in government if Leave gets it, will be withdrawn?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:45 am

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... CMP=twt_gu

The EU referendum is a battle of the press versus democracy
Martin Kettle

He has been good on this wretched thing, fair play.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 10:51 am

This is actually real.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 11:08 am

Thinking about the MPs with young children
Ed Miliband his love for his wife and boys
I hope he's okay, I've not heard
His love for his family is dearest to him

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 17 Jun, 2016 11:08 am

NonOxCol wrote:This is actually real.

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Or not.

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Still, it was so easy to believe and she's too thick to get why that might be.