Monday 20th June 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:16 pm

At times like this not having offspring seems a relief.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:20 pm

My son is pro-EU. From his experience of interactive console games, he says that Europeans are much more friendly than Americans. Unfortunately he won't be voting, though, because he's only 12.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:29 pm

yahyah wrote:I hadn't realised that Britain First was Mosley's Blackshirt's slogan.
Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

You've got to feel a bit sorry for BF though. Mosley's lot had sharp Hugo Boss inspired black shirts. Dowding's lot get grey flat caps, cheap anoraks and, for dress occasions, a down-market version of the Black and Tan's clobber. Topped off with... a stylish grey flat cap.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:34 pm

Parent's are "escaping" to Brussels on the day.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:36 pm

At time of writing, the Jo Cox memorial fund is around £50,000 short of raising a million pounds in three days, almost entirely from small donations, which are still coming in.

Which restores my faith in humanity quite a bit.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:37 pm

yahyah wrote:Double chocolate brownie anyone ?

Yes, please!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:46 pm

The Guardian is endorsing Remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-isolated" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:50 pm

''It is a fantasy to suppose that, if Britain votes to leave, these victors would want to maintain or extend protections for pensioners and workers......those who vote to leave as a protest against the elite will in truth, be handing the keys to the very worst of that elite''.
''There will be no 'taking back control'' for most working class leave voters, just less control over their diminishing share than ever''.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:53 pm

yahyah wrote:The Guardian is endorsing Remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-isolated" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good article

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:57 pm

citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:The Guardian is endorsing Remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-isolated" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good article

I was enjoying it too until I got to "shonky".

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 4:58 pm

shonky |ˈʃɒŋki | Austral./NZ informal
adjective (shonkier, shonkiest)
dishonest, unreliable, or illegal, especially in a devious way: shonky political goings-on.
noun
(also shonk) a person engaged in suspect business activities. we need to rid the building industry of these shonkies quickly.
ORIGIN 1970s: perhaps from English dialect shonk ‘smart’.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:00 pm

A poem that Glenys Kinnock read for Jo Cox is beautiful. It was written by Kurdish writer Zeki Majed.

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:01 pm

Shonky, sounds like wonky crossed with shyster or shark.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:16 pm

http://themighty.com/2015/12/feeling-li ... c-illness/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To the Person With a Chronic Illness Who Feels Like a Burden

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:The Guardian is endorsing Remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-isolated" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good article
I was enjoying it too until I got to "shonky".

Ha! Yes! Me too! Is that what it means? Dishonest, underhanded....

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:36 pm

yahyah wrote:Shonky, sounds like wonky crossed with shyster or shark.

I'm slightly embarrassed that i mistook it for Sonky, (Terry Pratchett).
It didn't make a lot of sense.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:45 pm

Anyone planning to stay up on Thursday night/Friday morning ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:49 pm

pic deleted as page skewed.

Link instead, charts showing leave/remain demographics

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... ng-charts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 5:57 pm

yahyah wrote:I didn't mean to imply FTN remain supporters aren't intelligent.

deeply hurt emoticon

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:01 pm

Just switched on for the Corbyn appearance on Sky News.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:02 pm

Argghhh they have Toady Young on it. Not sure I can take that just before supper.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:03 pm

yahyah wrote:Anyone planning to stay up on Thursday night/Friday morning ?

yep

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:04 pm

I've no plans to stay up to watch the referendum results roll in but I'll see how I feel during the day.
I have to write good evening to you all now, my friends. I've been extremely sleepy lately and have high-temperature that comes and goes. I'm keeping hydrated. I love you all. I read you soon.

love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:06 pm

I am staying up.
Like many I don't neatly fall into constructed demographics.

Degree educated,home outright,never earned anywhere near the average wage at anytime/mostly low paid manual,not saying unskilled because I don't believe care work(the majority) is unskilled.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:07 pm

Hope you feel better soon JA.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:09 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:The Guardian is endorsing Remain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-isolated" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good article
I was enjoying it too until I got to "shonky".

There was a NE expression "shonker" my grandad & uncles used to use, as in "He's really getting on my shonker"
Any of the other FTN NE correspondents (55 Deg North/Gilsey) ever heard it?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:09 pm

I'll stay up for a while but can't guarantee past 2am even though I have nothing particularly pressing to do for Friday morning.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:09 pm

I am shocked. Kay Burley just asked the audience 'anyone got concerns about immigration' and there was not a peep out of anyone. Staggering, normally immigration gets most of the attention on these kind of shows.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:10 pm

https://euobserver.com/justice/133903?
Hate speech costs lives, EU commissioner warns (June 2016)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7882953.stm
Dutch MP* banned from entering UK (Feb 2009)

*Geert Wilders

How far we've come since Thursday 6th May 2010

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:16 pm

Corbyn's on. Faisal as questioner.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:25 pm

yahyah wrote:I am shocked. Kay Burley just asked the audience 'anyone got concerns about immigration' and there was not a peep out of anyone. Staggering, normally immigration gets most of the attention on these kind of shows.

That will have blown her minuscule mind. How will she get back to badgering Corbyn about it now?

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 6:47 pm

UKIP's latest campaigning effort on YouTube.
Truly Bizarre

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 7:15 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -protocols" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jo Cox killing: Thomas Mair to face judge under terrorism protocols

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 7:24 pm

danesclose wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Good article
I was enjoying it too until I got to "shonky".
There was a NE expression "shonker" my grandad & uncles used to use, as in "He's really getting on my shonker"
Any of the other FTN NE correspondents (55 Deg North/Gilsey) ever heard it?

Evening folks,
No, that's a new one to me. Mind you, Walker, where I grew up was a bit of an island in those days. Cut of by the Tyne, Fossway and Ouseburn, so expressions were very localised (I never set foot in the Wesr End of the Toon until my mid 20's.

Anyway, here's a thing. Just had a lovely day down in Chester le Streeet watching Yorkshire giving Durham a bit of a possing. The route there involves driving through Newcastle, Gateshead, Low Fell and a chunk of the Street. There's not a single EU related poster anywhere, either in or out. I'm sure that's significant in some way, but I'm not sure what.

PS. Apols to the southern FTNers, but I forgot my sun cream and got burnt. Blinding sunshine after the morning haar had cleared.

Edited to remove typo.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 7:26 pm

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ESA Work Capability Assessment mandatory reconsiderations: data to April 2016

AKA endless iterative revision.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:00 pm

danesclose wrote:UKIP's latest campaigning effort on YouTube.
Truly Bizarre

[youtube]ulkh10sSmVE[/youtube]

Better in with decent regulation on food standards.
Not drenched in Chlorine, and fed growth hormones and anti-biotics like American chickens and meat.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:19 pm

multi tasking,watching England,but listening to Wales(and typing)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:20 pm

danesclose wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Good article
I was enjoying it too until I got to "shonky".
There was a NE expression "shonker" my grandad & uncles used to use, as in "He's really getting on my shonker"
Any of the other FTN NE correspondents (55 Deg North/Gilsey) ever heard it?

No, but my family are from the West Riding, I was born in Bradford.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:27 pm

Shonky - it's a word I use a fair bit. When I use it, I mean dodgy, suspect, unreliable (re people or inanimate objects when the latter are liable to stop working, blow up, wobble and all that). Don't know where or how I picked it up, though.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:31 pm

HindleA wrote:multi tasking,watching England,but listening to Wales(and typing)

Me too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:36 pm

Have seen various possible derivations as well as the ones Paul gave

Shoddy +Wonky

and ones far more offensive.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:40 pm

keith keith ‏@awkwardsod 1h1 hour ago South West, England

CORBYN on sky WAW like an Encyclopaedia Britannica did you see FAISEL'S jaw dropping

Anyone watching that?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:46 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/global-devel ... than-human" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We need to stop treating people with disabilities as less than human
Shantha Rau Barriga

" a five-year old girl in Ghana dressed in rags, with a heavy chain secured to a nearby tree clamped around her legs. This was her fate because her family believed that she was possessed by evil spirits, which is commonly associated with having a disability in many communities."

"Agus, a young man with a psychosocial disability (mental health condition) in Central Java, Indonesia. He spent four years locked in a sheep shed, barely able to stand or move, surrounded by the stench of human and animal waste."

JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:47 pm

Yes,I watched it and thought he did great. He rattled off all the facts and dates to each question,and they covered most of them,including the Immigration one.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:48 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
HindleA wrote:multi tasking,watching England,but listening to Wales(and typing)
Me too.

Amateurs!
I'm typing, reading, avoiding doing what I'm supposed to be doing AND having a cup of tea.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 8:57 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... industry/?
apologies for link to the Telegraph - but:
Leave's 110 City signatories do not represent the industry
The average age of the signatories is 61 and nearly two thirds of them are over 60 years old.
More than a third have “former” in their job titles, and a similar proportion have non-executive roles. Only three of the 110 signatories are women.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 9:02 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... help-elite
I do like Paul Mason.

Paul Mason wrote:I want to point out the crucial difference between a real revolt and a fake one. The elite does not usually lead the real ones. In a real revolt, the rich and powerful usually head for the hills, terrified. Nor are the Sun and the Daily Mail usually to be found egging on a real insurrection.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 9:08 pm

Mason's observation is most inconvenient for those wanting us to believe the contrary.

One Brexit supporter posted a link about Mike Ashley's Sport Direct exploitation, along with barking about 'Vote Leave to tackle zero hours'. I asked if they knew that Ashley supported Brexit. If they did know, why did they think Ashley would suddenly become concerned about his workers if Brexit won.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 9:11 pm

Vote Leave board member quits over anti-Muslim re-tweets.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 20 Jun, 2016 9:17 pm

Vote Leave campaign video 'doctored' to include a woman's fake screams.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 92191.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And they accuse Remain of scaremongering and dirty tricks.