Saturday 25th and Sunday 26th June 2016

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:48 pm

NonOxCol wrote:
citizenJA wrote:"I don’t think a smaller, poorer England is going to make things better for the prospects of my son’s Year 3 or the struggling teacher in Stoke. In fact, we are now more at risk from the whims of global capital and multinational corporations than we were last week.

So my belief that we need a new leader is not rooted in Westminster but on the streets of Stoke-on-Trent. This is the deepest peacetime crisis in our country for decades and our party cannot afford to continue with self-indulgence.

We need a leader who can hold Boris Johnson to account, stand up for Labour voters and be ready to walk through the door of Downing Street in as little as a year’s time.

The British people have been sold a pup and now we need the Labour lion to roar."

Tristram Hunt is MP for Stoke-on-Trent

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Labour's very own Rhyming Slang.

And I'm no Corbynista.

I love the part about a Labour government and seeing off Tory government though

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:48 pm

Anyone else remember the time that Tristram Hunt or Hillary Benn demonstrated themselves to be highly persuasive and competent ministers? The type of Labour MPs who could convince working class former supporters back into the Labour fold? Yeah, me neither. Hell, this is their 4th or 5th attempt at a putsch. They're too incompetent to even get that right at the first attempt.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:49 pm

ohsocynical wrote:After yesterday’s European referendum, politicians of all parties must listen to and respect the outcome of the vote

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A Labour government it is then. Good.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:50 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Anyone else remember the time that Tristram Hunt or Hillary Benn demonstrated themselves to be highly persuasive and competent ministers? The type of Labour MPs who could convince working class former supporters back into the Labour fold? Yeah, me neither. Hell, this is their 4th or 5th attempt at a putsch. They're too incompetent to even get that right at the first attempt.

We're fucked then.
Pardon my language.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:50 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:"I don’t think a smaller, poorer England is going to make things better for the prospects of my son’s Year 3 or the struggling teacher in Stoke. In fact, we are now more at risk from the whims of global capital and multinational corporations than we were last week.

So my belief that we need a new leader is not rooted in Westminster but on the streets of Stoke-on-Trent. This is the deepest peacetime crisis in our country for decades and our party cannot afford to continue with self-indulgence.

We need a leader who can hold Boris Johnson to account, stand up for Labour voters and be ready to walk through the door of Downing Street in as little as a year’s time.

The British people have been sold a pup and now we need the Labour lion to roar."

Tristram Hunt is MP for Stoke-on-Trent

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why couldn't the local member for Stoke-on-Trent influence those in his constituency to vote for 'In'? Surely he must know them and their challenges better than Corbyn

I know. I've no idea what the hell is going on here.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:53 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:"I don’t think a smaller, poorer England is going to make things better for the prospects of my son’s Year 3 or the struggling teacher in Stoke. In fact, we are now more at risk from the whims of global capital and multinational corporations than we were last week.

So my belief that we need a new leader is not rooted in Westminster but on the streets of Stoke-on-Trent. This is the deepest peacetime crisis in our country for decades and our party cannot afford to continue with self-indulgence.

We need a leader who can hold Boris Johnson to account, stand up for Labour voters and be ready to walk through the door of Downing Street in as little as a year’s time.

The British people have been sold a pup and now we need the Labour lion to roar."

Tristram Hunt is MP for Stoke-on-Trent

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why couldn't the local member for Stoke-on-Trent influence those in his constituency to vote for 'In'? Surely he must know them and their challenges better than Corbyn

I've been reading Tweets on the percentages for Remain in the rebel MPs constituencies and they're all low...Can't come anywhere near Corbyn's consituency which voted around 72% for Remain.

Perhaps if they'd spent less time plotting and more time convincing their constituents, the vote would be different. In fact if anyone in Labour can be blamed for the result, we should look no further than them.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:55 pm

citizenJA wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:"I don’t think a smaller, poorer England is going to make things better for the prospects of my son’s Year 3 or the struggling teacher in Stoke. In fact, we are now more at risk from the whims of global capital and multinational corporations than we were last week.

So my belief that we need a new leader is not rooted in Westminster but on the streets of Stoke-on-Trent. This is the deepest peacetime crisis in our country for decades and our party cannot afford to continue with self-indulgence.

We need a leader who can hold Boris Johnson to account, stand up for Labour voters and be ready to walk through the door of Downing Street in as little as a year’s time.

The British people have been sold a pup and now we need the Labour lion to roar."

Tristram Hunt is MP for Stoke-on-Trent

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why couldn't the local member for Stoke-on-Trent influence those in his constituency to vote for 'In'? Surely he must know them and their challenges better than Corbyn
I know. I've no idea what the hell is going on here.

They are so intent on ousting and blaming him, they can't see any further than that.

Hodges constituency had an awfully low remain vote. So did the other woman's.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:57 pm

NonOxCol wrote:Decent People Latest:

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Interesting, particularly if the cards do have a Polish translation on the back.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/insi ... i-say-4928" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:58 pm

Well it might stop us talking about Labour for a few minutes:

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JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:58 pm

I have recently read,and I can't remember where,that Benn has been ringing round half the shadow cabinet,to get Corbyn to resign.
Meamwhile,the whip,rosie winterton is gathering backers for Mcdonnell,in the event of Corbyn being forced out.
Sorry it's a bit bitty I know,my memory is terrible

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:58 pm

I saw part of this BTL comment eariler but didn't know where it came from. Worth reading if we haven't seen it before.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t-77205935" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 10:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:@howsillyofme1

I would argue that the mess we're in now, and its possible ramifications, has catapulted us into a situation which makes it vital that we have someone who is viable as opposition leader. That, in my opinion, rules out Jeremy Corbyn.

Strangely enough, I wouldn't have much of an objection to Jeremy Corbyn as PM - but it doesn't work like that.

If there's a leader who'd leave his position in order to benefit the people, Corbyn is that leader. Is it happening now? Is Corbyn okay with this?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:02 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Labour members need to do something about Jeremy Corbyn
Tristram Hunt

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
goddamn you

So he won't be on your Christmas card list then?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:05 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:I saw part of this BTL comment eariler but didn't know where it came from. Worth reading if we haven't seen it before.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t-77205935" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow. Okay, good. Apparently the post is on facebook now getting passed around. I think it's a good idea to read it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:06 pm

Miliband said Labour’s political vision for a post-Brexit Britain was “not there yet” and called on the left to regroup: “Our task is to come up with that vision and to use this opportunity to recognise what’s driven this decision.”

TR'sGhost wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Decent People Latest:

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Interesting, particularly if the cards do have a Polish translation on the back.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/insi ... i-say-4928" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes - I found the inclusion of a Polish translation something to ponder. Sounds a bit too researched and slick to be the work of your average thug and hints at someone more organised being behind it all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:08 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Labour members need to do something about Jeremy Corbyn
Tristram Hunt

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... yn-must-go" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
goddamn you
So he won't be on your Christmas card list then?

As long as he's Labour working for the people, country, I'm fine with Tristram Hunt. One thing I take from the Tories and that is stay together when it's essential to stay together. I hope Tristram Hunt and the Labour party knows what they're doing. I hope they do it successfully with Corbyn onside.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:09 pm

This business over Jeremy Corbyn has convinced me that the entire country is clinically insane. Can anyone imagine a rational being faced with the kind of self-inflicted crisis we have brought on ourselves these past couple of days even considering issues like this? Collectively, we are displaying - to paraphrase whoever said it first - not so much an inability to see the woods for the trees but an inability to see the trees because of our concentration upon the bark.

It is as if, having created a problem too big to even begin to know here to begin to address it, the country has pulled its underpants over its head, stuck pencils up its nose and is sitting there going 'wibble, wibble'.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:10 pm

PorFavor wrote:Miliband said Labour’s political vision for a post-Brexit Britain was “not there yet” and called on the left to regroup: “Our task is to come up with that vision and to use this opportunity to recognise what’s driven this decision.”

That was several hours ago. Maybe Labour's there now.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:12 pm

NonOxCol wrote:Well it might stop us talking about Labour for a few minutes:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShippersUnbound" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Tories are history.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:14 pm

Hilary Benn keeping up the family tradition of splitting the labour party I see.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:15 pm

citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I saw part of this BTL comment eariler but didn't know where it came from. Worth reading if we haven't seen it before.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t-77205935" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wow. Okay, good. Apparently the post is on facebook now getting passed around. I think it's a good idea to read it.

I think the author is pretty much on the money there but, as is mentioned below the line, the EU are already preparing for pushing us out

I really think we will be on the exit road within 2 weeks.......that will start to concentrate minds and stop the Tories pissing about

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:19 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
JustMom wrote:I have recently read,and I can't remember where,that Benn has been ringing round half the shadow cabinet,to get Corbyn to resign.
Meamwhile,the whip,rosie winterton is gathering backers for Mcdonnell,in the event of Corbyn being forced out.
Sorry it's a bit bitty I know,my memory is terrible
The Guardian now have top story that Benn trying to arrange a mass shadow cabinet resignation.

Saw a tweet saying that Labour HQ receiving a lot of phone calls from members saying they would resign if Corbyn toppled.

Hopefully after the leadership election....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:19 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote: Why couldn't the local member for Stoke-on-Trent influence those in his constituency to vote for 'In'? Surely he must know them and their challenges better than Corbyn
I know. I've no idea what the hell is going on here.
They are so intent on ousting and blaming him, they can't see any further than that.

Hodges constituency had an awfully low remain vote. So did the other woman's.

So, they gotta bust a move. Interesting these MPs with big leave voters. Tristram Hunt's article indicates leaving the EU shouldn't happen while suggesting a Labour government within a year. Stoke was 70% leave. I guess Corbyn's tweet suggests now isn't the time for the lion to roar. I wish they could all join up their efforts. I really do.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:21 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
JustMom wrote:I have recently read,and I can't remember where,that Benn has been ringing round half the shadow cabinet,to get Corbyn to resign.
Meamwhile,the whip,rosie winterton is gathering backers for Mcdonnell,in the event of Corbyn being forced out.
Sorry it's a bit bitty I know,my memory is terrible
The Guardian now have top story that Benn trying to arrange a mass shadow cabinet resignation.

Saw a tweet saying that Labour HQ receiving a lot of phone calls from members saying they would resign if Corbyn toppled.
Hopefully after the leadership election....

I'm totally fine with that.

edited to write in grown-up language

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:24 pm

Does Paul Mason read FTN ?

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‏@paulmasonnews
Labour, Greens, SNP + Plaid should form electoral pact and put social justice at heart of Brexit process http://gu.com/p/4myb2/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #ProgrExit

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:24 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I saw part of this BTL comment eariler but didn't know where it came from. Worth reading if we haven't seen it before.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t-77205935" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wow. Okay, good. Apparently the post is on facebook now getting passed around. I think it's a good idea to read it.
I think the author is pretty much on the money there but, as is mentioned below the line, the EU are already preparing for pushing us out

I really think we will be on the exit road within 2 weeks.......that will start to concentrate minds and stop the Tories pissing about

I think Tories have abdicated. I think it would be good for the UK to have responsible leadership now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:24 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
JustMom wrote:I have recently read,and I can't remember where,that Benn has been ringing round half the shadow cabinet,to get Corbyn to resign.
Meamwhile,the whip,rosie winterton is gathering backers for Mcdonnell,in the event of Corbyn being forced out.
Sorry it's a bit bitty I know,my memory is terrible
The Guardian now have top story that Benn trying to arrange a mass shadow cabinet resignation.

Saw a tweet saying that Labour HQ receiving a lot of phone calls from members saying they would resign if Corbyn toppled.

I can't see what possible good he thinks this will achieve. And you probably already know my thoughts on Jeremy Corbyn.

I won't forget Hilary Benn's Syria performance.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:28 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I've been reading Tweets on the percentages for Remain in the rebel MPs constituencies and they're all low...Can't come anywhere near Corbyn's consituency which voted around 72% for Remain.

Perhaps if they'd spent less time plotting and more time convincing their constituents, the vote would be different. In fact if anyone in Labour can be blamed for the result, we should look no further than them.

(cJA edit)

If the plotting has a meaningful purpose I'm fine with it. I'm scared to death.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:30 pm

Just posted this on my Lab Party page.

Rome is burning, and the Labour party are giving the Tories a musical accompaniment.
My dad used to say the Labour party has a suicide switch and every so often they feel compelled to press it
From the rumbles and rumors floating around the internet, it looks as if they're about to do it again.
These are MPs who are criticising Corbyn's Referendum strategy, and yet their constituencies had miserably low percentages for Remain while his was 72%.
They are being incredibly negligent at a time of great turmoil, but then my dad also used to say you can't cure stupid.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:31 pm

Save the UK and give us responsible leadership, please.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:32 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Just posted this on my Lab Party page.

Rome is burning, and the Labour party are giving the Tories a musical accompaniment.
My dad used to say the Labour party has a suicide switch and every so often they feel compelled to press it
From the rumbles and rumors floating around the internet, it looks as if they're about to do it again.
These are MPs who are criticising Corbyn's Referendum strategy, and yet their constituencies had miserably low percentages for Remain while his was 72%.
They are being incredibly negligent at a time of great turmoil, but then my dad also used to say you can't cure stupid.

Well. Let's see.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:40 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nce-motion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another one. Stephen Kinnock.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:41 pm

Goodnight all. It won't be any better in the morning.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:41 pm

On a slightly different note - have ventured over to the Heil and the Torygraph and have been surprised about the lack of triumphalism

Very subdued with little about the EU - more focused on Tory leadership

Is there some repositioning going on behind the scenes?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:45 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:On a slightly different note - have ventured over to the Heil and the Torygraph and have been surprised about the lack of triumphalism

Very subdued with little about the EU - more focused on Tory leadership

Is there some repositioning going on behind the scenes?

Yes. I think good things are happening. I apologise for my fearful, hasty posts. I think the UK has capable leadership. They're not Tories.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:49 pm

citizenJA wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Wow. Okay, good. Apparently the post is on facebook now getting passed around. I think it's a good idea to read it.
I think the author is pretty much on the money there but, as is mentioned below the line, the EU are already preparing for pushing us out

I really think we will be on the exit road within 2 weeks.......that will start to concentrate minds and stop the Tories pissing about
I think Tories have abdicated. I think it would be good for the UK to have responsible leadership now.

Well they ain't going to get it from Labour. They're too busy having a coup....

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:52 pm

"Cameron's usual suave professionalism."

That was an actual quote from Sparrow, this month. Just remembered.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:53 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:I've been reading Tweets on the percentages for Remain in the rebel MPs constituencies and they're all low...Can't come anywhere near Corbyn's consituency which voted around 72% for Remain.

Perhaps if they'd spent less time plotting and more time convincing their constituents, the vote would be different. In fact if anyone in Labour can be blamed for the result, we should look no further than them.
(cJA edit)

If the plotting has a meaningful purpose I'm fine with it. I'm scared to death.

It's not meaningful for the benefit of us. Only for them because they don't want Labour to go back to its roots.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:53 pm

Dateline London EU debate tonight. A French journalist, German, American and a Tory leave advocate called Alex Deane. French journalist suggests best for Brexit to happen quickly. Alex Deane, who had been waxing lyrical about how brilliant leaving was, is suddenly "oh no, we don't want to rush anything, we need to stop and have a break....". Hmmm, I'm thinking "leave is brilliant, let's put it off for ages..." strange attitude from a Bexiter, wonder if he has any links to Atlantic Bridge. Some Googling later and it's actually a pretty short jump. Alex Deane was a SpAd to Michael Gove and Gove was involved in Atlantic Bridge.

Is the destabilization of the EU an actual aim for some, rather than just an unfortunate side effect?

Edited to aid: caveat - I have been drinking!

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:53 pm

PorFavor wrote:I can't work out who, or how, but is someobody making a lot of money out of all this instability?

I think it was Willow904 who alluded to this possibility - but it's been niggling away at me for some time.

Someone always makes money out of an economic crisis one way or another. I understand they can be very profitable for a few people despite being a disaster for most.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:53 pm

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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 8454725632

Read it several times. It's talking about a Labour government now. For the nation to stay together.

'Labour was created to serve people and their communities and workplaces. We need to put that
historic purpose into action now and campaign to protect and represent the people we serve.'

Nothing in it is particularly about Corbyn himself. It's about Labour serving the nation.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:53 pm

What pisses me off most about Cameron, he'll go down in history for his catastrophic handling of internal tory divisions over Europe, and all the other crap he's inflicted on us since 2010 will barely rate a footnote.
Ditto Osborne.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:54 pm

TR'sGhost wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I can't work out who, or how, but is someobody making a lot of money out of all this instability?

I think it was Willow904 who alluded to this possibility - but it's been niggling away at me for some time.
Someone always makes money out of an economic crisis one way or another. I understand they can be very profitable for a few people despite being a disaster for most.

War does that too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:57 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:I've been reading Tweets on the percentages for Remain in the rebel MPs constituencies and they're all low...Can't come anywhere near Corbyn's consituency which voted around 72% for Remain.

Perhaps if they'd spent less time plotting and more time convincing their constituents, the vote would be different. In fact if anyone in Labour can be blamed for the result, we should look no further than them.
(cJA edit)

If the plotting has a meaningful purpose I'm fine with it. I'm scared to death.
It's not meaningful for the benefit of us. Only for them because they don't want Labour to go back to its roots.

Tristram Hunt wants to be a part of the Labour party that brings Labour back to it's roots. It's totally fashionable.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 11:58 pm

The article "read it and weep" was possibly coined for:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -ebbw-vale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:00 am

NonOxCol wrote:"Cameron's usual suave professionalism."

That was an actual quote from Sparrow, this month. Just remembered.

Sparrow's ironic wit is magnificent to read.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:01 am

PorFavor wrote:There's talk on the BBC now that, when David Cameron goes to his (non) meeting in Brussels, the minute he mentions the result of the referendum he will, technically, have invoked Article 50. Fawlty Towers springs to mind.

Edited "," for "."

I think Article 50 can only be triggered by an Order In Council under the Royal Prerogative. Not by merely mentioning a referendum result at a meeting, no matter who the meeting is with.

Though I suppose there might be some amusement value in the other 27 states insisting that yes, as far as we are concerned the second you referred to your stupid referendum you activated Article 50.

Then watching as Cameron heads to the European Courts to argue that he'd done no such thing because the UK hadn't acted in accordance with its constitution, and until it does Article 50 has not been activated by the UK.

That would be quite something to see.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:03 am

NonOxCol wrote:The article "read it and weep" was possibly coined for:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -ebbw-vale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or in my case, read it and literally shout and swear at my tablet.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:06 am

@nonoxcol

Goodnight.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:06 am

NonOxCol wrote:The article "read it and weep" was possibly coined for:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -ebbw-vale" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“What’s the EU ever done for us?” Zak Kelly, 21, asks me this standing next to a brand new complex of buildings and facilities that wouldn’t look out of place in Canary Wharf. It’s not Canary Wharf, though, it’s Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave.

The UK done gone crazy.