Friday 1st July 2016

Post by **refitman** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:09 am

Morning all.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:19 am

http://gu.com/p/4nake?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Self-serving article by the two Saatchi companies and their posters that didn't get run by the Remain campaign.

Not sure why they've done this because they're all rubbish with a capital R.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:29 am

Trump takes a poll lead and it's STILL raining. July not starting much better than that god awful month we just left behind then.

"Good" morning.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:40 am

Morning. Still raining here too.

I am cheered up. We have finally got DAB radio in our valley.
Have waited nine years for it, have got out the three DAB radios we bought in Gloucestershire and set them up. No crackles and whistles in reception. We're only getting the BBC stations though but that is what I'm interested in, particularly Radio 6.

Hope Angela Eagle actually manages to decide what she is doing.
What is she showing about her leadership qualities ? Not anything worth voting for.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:41 am

Morning - and here is the news!

Telegraph - "Corbyn to blame for high precipitation levels this summer. Farmers attack his failure to protect their harvests".
Guardian - "Corbyn hogging limelight and preventing our pleas for cash from being the top story, says Katharine Viner".
Express - "Exclusive! Corbyn's part in the tragic death of Princess Diana - we reveal it wasn't Phil the Greek after all".
BBC - "Our political editor Laura Kuensesrvativeberg on when Corbyn will announce something she has set up today".

There. Now you know, you can get on with the gardening.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:48 am

yahyah wrote:Morning. Still raining here too.

I am cheered up. We have finally got DAB radio in our valley.
Have waited nine years for it, have got out the three DAB radios we bought in Gloucestershire and set them up. No crackles and whistles in reception. We're only getting the BBC stations though but that is what I'm interested in, particularly Radio 6.

Hope Angela Eagle actually manages to decide what she is doing.
What is she showing about her leadership qualities ? Not anything worth voting for.

Who's on Eagle Watch today? I've lost the rota.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:50 am

Good morfternoon.

Wet, grey and humid here in the Beautiful South.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:59 am

I went to bed the other night thinking maybe it is time for Corbyn to go. So many MPs, the media, and some Labour supporters have hated him from the get go. He may be his own worst enemy but the way his detractors paint him as things he isn't, or make him responsible for anyone who may or may not be a member of Momentum is ludicrous. Now I hope he stands against the plotters.
I don't know who I'd vote for, but no way would it be Angela Eagle. She doesn't come out of this with any plus points.

Those trying to destroy Corbyn by lying and implication of guilt, gloating that he seems a 'broken man' on the edge of resigning, should be wary. The same nasty tactics may be used against their anointed one. Listen to them scream if that happens.

All this failed putsch does is make the Labour plotters look totally incompetent.
At least Gove pulled off his treachery. If all the energy that goes into destabilising leaders, be it Blair, Brown, Ed or Corbyn, went into fighting the Tories we might do better.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 7:59 am

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:Morning. Still raining here too.

I am cheered up. We have finally got DAB radio in our valley.
Have waited nine years for it, have got out the three DAB radios we bought in Gloucestershire and set them up. No crackles and whistles in reception. We're only getting the BBC stations though but that is what I'm interested in, particularly Radio 6.

Hope Angela Eagle actually manages to decide what she is doing.
What is she showing about her leadership qualities ? Not anything worth voting for.

Who's on Eagle Watch today? I've lost the rota.

It will be like yesterday....sitting around all day and then found she couldn't be arsed getting off the nest

I heard a lot of CLP activity in recent days, including Wallasey...any news?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:08 am

Blimey, if even Cathy Newman has to admit it:

Cathy Newman@
Yes video and text evidence confirms tweets attributing Islamic State references to Jeremy Corbyn were misquotes.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:10 am

yahyah wrote: All this failed putsch does is make the Labour plotters look totally incompetent

Agreed

If all the energy that goes into destabilising leaders, be it Blair, Brown, Ed or Corbyn, went into fighting the Tories we might do better.

Well, maybe not eh? On this showing it's extremely probable that they'd just make things far, far worse. A period of silence may be far more beneficial. Until 2020 and beyond, for example...

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:17 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:http://gu.com/p/4nake?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Self-serving article by the two Saatchi companies and their posters that didn't get run by the Remain campaign.

Not sure why they've done this because they're all rubbish with a capital R.

And in the case of the Grenade, wrong.
you can put the pin back, as long as you havent released the strike lever.
(possibly poignant now, but still distasteful, crass, just wrong!)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:20 am

https://twitter.com/search?q=corbyn&src=typd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A councillor named on a list as calling on Corbyn to step down says she doesn't want him to.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:25 am

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bd41f9f3 ... 300be6ce8d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What's wrong with this one ?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:29 am

yahyah wrote: What's wrong with this one ?

"I'm In" implies that, yes, you do want to be on that island. That's what. Also, even though it's completely mystifying, many people do want to be wrt Johnson and Farage. Gove is a non-entity and IDS is a political lightweight.

Edit: Not to mention that it's very negative and that you're on that island with them irrespective of the result.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:33 am

Morning

Is this true?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36678222" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:35 am

Nothing on Question Time about the spike in racism then. This after years and years of questions about immigration, and Farage being the most frequent guest.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:35 am

Did I ever tell you about my failed career in advertising and political spin

But it grabbed me emotionally, and suspect it would do the same for a lot of others too.
But then I suppose we were already going to vote Remain because of those four being lined up for Leave.

Third · Post by **Third** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:37 am

yahyah wrote:https://twitter.com/search?q=corbyn&src=typd

A councillor named on a list as calling on Corbyn to step down says she doesn't want him to.

When that list of 550 councillors was published, I picked a name at random and they said on twitter they supported Corbyn.

(Hi, I was registered here in September 2013, occasionally drop by to read posts, thought I'd register again my old account doesn't work).

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:40 am

Hi Third, welcome.

The only good thing that has come out of this mess is to have old friends popping back on FTN.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:46 am

yahyah wrote:Blimey, if even Cathy Newman has to admit it:

Cathy Newman@
Yes video and text evidence confirms tweets attributing Islamic State references to Jeremy Corbyn were misquotes.

I listened to the Today news at 8am and they reported that the Israeli Ambassador had had no issue with the remarks.

Given that, the frothing by the usual suspects can be put into context. Wholly manufactured row.

Odd that the Spiked "free speech is sacrosanct" crowd didn't jump in on Corbyn's side to say that he could say what he wanted without anyone taking offence...wait...no, it isn't really.

Morning all.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:48 am

But naturally, "Labour anti-Semitism" was discussed extensively on Question Time, and the presence of Melanie Phillips was just a coincidence.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:49 am

People on Cif still misquoting him.

Tonibel · Post by **Tonibel** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:49 am

I just want to echo NeilBB's post last night and thank you all for your informative posts over the last few fraught weeks. I don't post often as I read ftn on a. Kindle and posting takes an age.
For what it's worth I never thought Jeremy wanted to stay until 2020 but just stay in post for a couple of years to try and move the party in a leftward direction and then pass on the baton. He is a stubborn man however and I am sure the disloyalty and sheer nastiness he has been subjected to will have made him more determined to hang on.
Incidentally,why is he always described as "hard left"? I agree with most of his policies and I've never seen myself as such.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:52 am

Morning.

Reassuring to see some swings away from UKIP in by-elections last night.

I too now feel more disposed towards Corbyn than before. The plotters have lost the plot.

Things feel slightly calmer this morning. The Tory leadership is being contested by plausible contenders. Corbyn looks to be in place until a more orderly opportunity for change (if needed). Perhaps our politicians can get back to serving the country for a while?

Bonnylad · Post by **Bonnylad** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:52 am

Gove was 2/1 to be leader yesterday-he is now 7/1 third favourite behind May and Leadsom. I wonder how many of these people carrying out the racist attacks will be queuing up next month to watch and support a load of 'forriners' kicking a ball about a field!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:53 am

NonOxCol wrote:But naturally, "Labour anti-Semitism" was discussed extensively on Question Time, and the presence of Melanie Phillips was just a coincidence.

Didn't watch it but guessed before the programme on here that this was why she was on.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:55 am

Tonibel wrote:I just want to echo NeilBB's post last night and thank you all for your informative posts over the last few fraught weeks. I don't post often as I read ftn on a. Kindle and posting takes an age.
For what it's worth I never thought Jeremy wanted to stay until 2020 but just stay in post for a couple of years to try and move the party in a leftward direction and then pass on the baton. He is a stubborn man however and I am sure the disloyalty and sheer nastiness he has been subjected to will have made him more determined to hang on.
Incidentally,why is he always described as "hard left"? I agree with most of his policies and I've never seen myself as such.

Morning Tonibel

As I have mentioned often recently, I walk past Harold Wilson (well his statue) every day on my way home from work. This week I imagined him chuckling about this labelling of Corbyn as "hard left". What policy changes would Angela Eagle actually make from Corbyn's programme?

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 8:55 am

Tonibel wrote:I just want to echo NeilBB's post last night and thank you all for your informative posts over the last few fraught weeks. I don't post often as I read ftn on a. Kindle and posting takes an age.
For what it's worth I never thought Jeremy wanted to stay until 2020 but just stay in post for a couple of years to try and move the party in a leftward direction and then pass on the baton. He is a stubborn man however and I am sure the disloyalty and sheer nastiness he has been subjected to will have made him more determined to hang on.
Incidentally,why is he always described as "hard left"? I agree with most of his policies and I've never seen myself as such.

Hello again

I agree with your post

Would find it amusing if he stayed until next week and Chilcott (has he seen any of it yet), eviscerate Blair and then stand down

He could then back someone who he thinks will continue the direction of travel

I think this is in essence what Miliband was suggesting earlier in the week...apart from the Blair bit

He will probably get some good press after Chilcott debate as he tends to be good at these type of things

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:03 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Tonibel wrote:I just want to echo NeilBB's post last night and thank you all for your informative posts over the last few fraught weeks. I don't post often as I read ftn on a. Kindle and posting takes an age.
For what it's worth I never thought Jeremy wanted to stay until 2020 but just stay in post for a couple of years to try and move the party in a leftward direction and then pass on the baton. He is a stubborn man however and I am sure the disloyalty and sheer nastiness he has been subjected to will have made him more determined to hang on.
Incidentally,why is he always described as "hard left"? I agree with most of his policies and I've never seen myself as such.
Morning Tonibel

As I have mentioned often recently, I walk past Harold Wilson (well his statue) every day on my way home from work. This week I imagined him chuckling about this labelling of Corbyn as "hard left". What policy changes would Angela Eagle actually make from Corbyn's programme?

My Grandad was at Wirral Grammar with Wilson....apparently he was truly gifted. If he had run this plot Corbyn would be toast

My Grandad was an old fashioned socialist. Union man and also a survivor of the Bolton Castle disaster in the North Atlantic (a 500 mile row across the sea to Murmansk)

I admire these generations so much because without their sacrifice we would have little of what we do now. I am most proud of how they rebuilt Europe after the horrors of war

What annoys me about celebrations such as the Somme is that we talk about the battles and deaths with such patriotic fervor but forget what other things the people who fought in then gave us

I think that celebrating battles whilst destroying the NHS, welfare state and withdrawing into isolationism and increasing intolerance is the ultimate lack of respect

My Grandad died years ago but he would be disgusted by what is happening now

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:07 am

He's described as 'hard left' to raise the spectre of militantism and the 1970s in the minds of Tories and the gullible. Much like the anti-Semitic and terrorist sympathiser smears are deployed.

It's "swift boating".

Third · Post by **Third** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:08 am

Read up a bit yesterday's topic, curious what you said about the Ruth Smeeth incident. Watched it yesterday and the whole thing raised my eyebrow, read the statement it didn't add up. Found Smeeth on wikileaks leaking Brown's idea for general election date and previously worked for a pro-Israel lobby. Don't think there's a connection between Momentum and Momentum Black Connexions?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:23 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
yahyah wrote:Blimey, if even Cathy Newman has to admit it:

Cathy Newman@
Yes video and text evidence confirms tweets attributing Islamic State references to Jeremy Corbyn were misquotes.

I listened to the Today news at 8am and they reported that the Israeli Ambassador had had no issue with the remarks.

Given that, the frothing by the usual suspects can be put into context. Wholly manufactured row.

Odd that the Spiked "free speech is sacrosanct" crowd didn't jump in on Corbyn's side to say that he could say what he wanted without anyone taking offence...wait...no, it isn't really.

Morning all, from yet another lurking returnee appreciating the conversation and information

I listened to Toady as well, backpedalling a tiny bit, but then going on the attack against JC, AGAIN .

Bloody hell .

A pity Emily Thornberry went off at half cock, in 'apologising' , because I found she did very well on Any Questions last Friday .

On the general question of Corbyn as Leader , I personally find his listless style and lack of killer instinct difficult to take, definitely zzzz-time.

Add to that his history, particularly when distorted by the usual suspects, and he's no asset with the mass of the voters. The opposite, which is why the middle of the road in the PLP have allowed themselves to be railroaded by the Iraq War Crowd. ( see Craig Murray et al )

Good day to all, out now.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:25 am

8.23 confusion ! the first half of that is of course Roger . x

minch · Post by **minch** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:44 am

frog222 wrote:8.23 confusion ! the first half of that is of course Roger . x

Ah I've been meaning to change to summer time - I almost got used to being an hour behind.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:47 am

An interesting result in a local by-election. The Liberal Democrats have defeated the Tories to take a council seat in Mole Valley, by a very large swing.

Britain Elects @britainelects
Leatherhead North (Mole Valley) result:
LDEM: 56.6% (+27.4)
CON: 22.3% (-11.7)
UKIP: 10.3% (-7.9)
LAB: 8.9% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.8% (-2.1)
12:01 AM - 1 Jul 2016

Possible indication that remainers are rallying round the party that best articulated their disappointment. Labour's ambivalence under Corbyn ( however genuine his campaign for "in" , he inarguably had previously wanted out for years ) is a problem for those who feel leaving the EU is a reckless and regressive decision as they can no longer have confidence in the judgement of anyone who has ever recommended it. It is possible a realignment of "remainers" in the centre of the political spectrum is necessary anyway making the impending split within Labour more of an opportunity than disaster as new coalitions can be formed that make more sense. David Lammy has expressed views that, like my own, are taking some Labour supporters closer to the Libdems in our post-Brexit political landscape. Maybe now is the time to cast off the past and be bold. I personally would support a new party of the centre-left that was willing to go into alliance with the Libdems on a platform of PR and positive relations with the EU in hope of rejoining in future. (I appreciate I'm living in a dream world

it's just that I don't have a party at the moment and I want someone to invent one for me, because I'm self-centred like that.)

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:51 am

Welcome, Third.

Have a bit of cake. (You can't have it all, or Tiny Clanger will get the 'ump. And the biccies are for CJA, sorry.)

Now then - what do people think about the 60,000 new Labour members registered in the past week?
Are they signing up to to bury Corbyn or to praise him? (That's nearly from Julius Caesar, that is)

Meanwhile, Ruth Smeeth has taken to Twitter to thank Shami Chakrabarti for "apologising unreservedly for the way I was treated at her press conference". Having read Ms.Smeeth's statement on her website (http://www.ruthsmeeth.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), I am struggling a bit to see how her version of events aligns with what I saw on the filmed segment I've seen. She is also complaining that Corbyn "stood by and did absolutely nothing" and "No-one from the Leaders' office has contacted me since the event, which in itself is a catastrophic failure of leadership". Catastrophic. She then calls on him to resign, obviously.
Anti-Semitism exists. So do activists with agendas who turn up at all manner of meetings, etc. But as the massive kerfuffle over the issue last time led Corbyn to ask Ms.Chakrabarti to report on it, what has he done wrong?
This is a serious question - I am not being difficult here, I just can't see a big problem. I'd be grateful for your views. Thanks.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 9:51 am

Willow904 wrote:
An interesting result in a local by-election. The Liberal Democrats have defeated the Tories to take a council seat in Mole Valley, by a very large swing.

Britain Elects @britainelects
Leatherhead North (Mole Valley) result:
LDEM: 56.6% (+27.4)
CON: 22.3% (-11.7)
UKIP: 10.3% (-7.9)
LAB: 8.9% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.8% (-2.1)
12:01 AM - 1 Jul 2016
Possible indication that remainers are rallying round the party that best articulated their disappointment. Labour's ambivalence under Corbyn ( however genuine his campaign for "in" , he inarguably had previously wanted out for years ) is a problem for those who feel leaving the EU is a reckless and regressive decision as they can no longer have confidence in the judgement of anyone who has ever recommended it. It is possible a realignment of "remainers" in the centre of the political spectrum is necessary anyway making the impending split within Labour more of an opportunity than disaster as new coalitions can be formed that make more sense. David Lammy has expressed views that, like my own, are taking some Labour supporters closer to the Libdems in our post-Brexit political landscape. Maybe now is the time to cast off the past and be bold. I personally would support a new party of the centre-left that was willing to go into alliance with the Libdems on a platform of PR and positive relations with the EU in hope of rejoining in future. (I appreciate I'm living in a dream world it's just that I don't have a party at the moment and I want someone to invent one for me, because I'm self-centred like that.)

I am not sure you can draw such a detailed conclusion from one by election in Surrey (hardly Labour territory)

It would also not sit well with all those members of the PLP who want to pander to the immigration dog whistle

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:06 am

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 0701110050" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:11 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
An interesting result in a local by-election. The Liberal Democrats have defeated the Tories to take a council seat in Mole Valley, by a very large swing.

Britain Elects @britainelects
Leatherhead North (Mole Valley) result:
LDEM: 56.6% (+27.4)
CON: 22.3% (-11.7)
UKIP: 10.3% (-7.9)
LAB: 8.9% (-5.7)
GRN: 1.8% (-2.1)
12:01 AM - 1 Jul 2016
Possible indication that remainers are rallying round the party that best articulated their disappointment. Labour's ambivalence under Corbyn ( however genuine his campaign for "in" , he inarguably had previously wanted out for years ) is a problem for those who feel leaving the EU is a reckless and regressive decision as they can no longer have confidence in the judgement of anyone who has ever recommended it. It is possible a realignment of "remainers" in the centre of the political spectrum is necessary anyway making the impending split within Labour more of an opportunity than disaster as new coalitions can be formed that make more sense. David Lammy has expressed views that, like my own, are taking some Labour supporters closer to the Libdems in our post-Brexit political landscape. Maybe now is the time to cast off the past and be bold. I personally would support a new party of the centre-left that was willing to go into alliance with the Libdems on a platform of PR and positive relations with the EU in hope of rejoining in future. (I appreciate I'm living in a dream world it's just that I don't have a party at the moment and I want someone to invent one for me, because I'm self-centred like that.)

I am not sure you can draw such a detailed conclusion from one by election in Surrey (hardly Labour territory)

It would also not sit well with all those members of the PLP who want to pander to the immigration dog whistle

I wasn't being entirely serious, but there is a serious point here. Leaving the EU is not going to end the question of the EU, the divide in the country is still there and those who want to be part of Europe are as strong in their convictions as those who have spent the last 40 years trying to get out. This referendum has resolved nothing, it's just tipped the balance of power and now instead of everything being blamed on the pro-EU lot who gave away our sovereignty, everything will be blamed on the leave lot who gave our economic prosperity away.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:18 am

Genuinely appalled by this bollocks:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/knife ... a896975300" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:19 am

NonOxCol wrote:Genuinely appalled by this bollocks:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/knife ... a896975300" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But the comments are great.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:21 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Morning

Is this true?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36678222" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's certainly what she said on Newsnight, I saw it, a bit of an eye-opener.

The 2 year period is for the exit arrangements, not ongoing trade agreements. Two years not being long enough for that, as has already been pointed out.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:29 am

From March 2014.

'There was such sensitivity about what Gove had said to Murdoch because it is well known that the media magnate views the former Times journalist as a future Tory leader. '

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/03/neve ... o-get-him/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:31 am

Incidentally, I hope everyone has clicked NeilBB's link last night, well worth a minute of your time.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:32 am

Shami Chakrabarti was interviewed on Today (about 8.33) where she did her level best to support Jeremy Corbyn and say that the press conference was her responsibility. She made many points - among them the fact that she probably didn't give Jeremy Corbyn the chance to intervene when Marc Wadsworth heckled. When Jeremy spoke he was referencing her report. She didn't understand why Jeremy's speech had been deliberately represented. It was a hostile interview. At the end when she thanked Jeremy Corbyn for commissioning the report she was cut off very quickly.

I don't think this has been reported anywhere.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:37 am

I've got a horrible feeling that, if Michael Gove makes it onto the list of two, the wider Conservative world will vote for him. I hope he's stopped from getting that far.

Edited to add - This, despite yesterday wondering if the Boris Johnson lovers out there would take agin him (MG).

Edited

typo

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:40 am

NonOxCol wrote:Genuinely appalled by this bollocks:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/knife ... a896975300" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Awful.

Liked this line though

This is not what conservatism is meant to be like. The very point, the only point, of electing a Conservative government is stolidity and assurance.

He said it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:43 am

gilsey wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Genuinely appalled by this bollocks:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/knife ... a896975300" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Awful.

Liked this line though
This is not what conservatism is meant to be like. The very point, the only point, of electing a Conservative government is stolidity and assurance.
He said it.

Thanks for your timely link.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 01 Jul, 2016 10:46 am

This is doing the rounds on Twitter:

http://thebrexitplan.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;