Tuesday 5th July 2016

Post by **refitman** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 7:10 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 7:32 am

Morning!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/li ... id-8349086" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

life-inside-jeremy-corbyns-paranoid

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 7:33 am

Morning PF!

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 8:09 am

Morning.

A large, and largely unacknowledged (by the political/media class at least) contributory factor in the current abject mess:

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 8:11 am

If there are any videos of that later, would appreciate a link if anyone sees it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 8:48 am

Morning all.

norman smithVerified account
‏@BBCNormanS
£100 billion borrowing pledge by @scrabbmp sounds a bit like Farewell to deficit reduction @BBCr4today

Funny how they've suddenly realised what people have been saying for the past five years - that if there are infrastructure projects that need doing, then with interest rates at record lows, now is the time to borrow.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 8:59 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/li ... id-8349086" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

life-inside-jeremy-corbyns-paranoid

If i was him i'd have a chief food taster,
(it doesn't mention one, but does report criticism that he takes granola bars & other snacks to meetings.)

edit: now rethinking & questioning whether he would have a food tester, as I suspect it would go against his ethics.

hmm, think I must be having a pro corbyn swing today.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:01 am

tinybgoat wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/li ... id-8349086" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

life-inside-jeremy-corbyns-paranoid
If i was him i'd have a chief food taster,
(it doesn't mention one, but does report criticism that he takes granola bars & other snacks to meetings.)

Granola bars? He's completely unelectable

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:03 am

Where are the pork scratchings and Gregg's meat pies ?
How can we have a PM who eats healthy food ? It just ain't British.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:07 am

Morning all.

Caught Jeremy Bowen on Iraq and the Crabb interview. Thought they were both quite interesting.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:07 am

yahyah wrote:Where are the pork scratchings and Gregg's meat pies ?
How can we have a PM who eats healthy food ? It just ain't British.

And those lovely pasties you get on Leeds Station remember?

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:18 am

Which gives me an idea.

I'm going to open a new thread called David Cameron's real legacy, where over the next few months we can compile a timeline of his gaffes, u-turns and various disasters ready to publish on the day he leaves number 10.

Are we on board?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:22 am

Here it is, in 'members only'

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danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:24 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

norman smithVerified account
‏@BBCNormanS
£100 billion borrowing pledge by @scrabbmp sounds a bit like Farewell to deficit reduction @BBCr4today

Funny how they've suddenly realised what people have been saying for the past five years - that if there are infrastructure projects that need doing, then with interest rates at record lows, now is the time to borrow.

The lady who interviewed Crabb (Michelle Hussein??) mentioned that this had been Labour policy at the last election, and asked him if he would like to thank Ed Balls for proposing it.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:50 am

danesclose wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

norman smithVerified account
‏@BBCNormanS
£100 billion borrowing pledge by @scrabbmp sounds a bit like Farewell to deficit reduction @BBCr4today

Funny how they've suddenly realised what people have been saying for the past five years - that if there are infrastructure projects that need doing, then with interest rates at record lows, now is the time to borrow.

The lady who interviewed Crabb (Michelle Hussein??) mentioned that this had been Labour policy at the last election, and asked him if he would like to thank Ed Balls for proposing it.

Yes it was Hussein. Kept him on topic whilst allowing him to answer.

Light years from Humphrys.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 9:59 am

Crabb voted FOR the Charter for Budget Responsibility

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 10:44 am

http://verfassungsblog.de/brexit-article-50-duff/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Everything you need to know about Article 50 (but were afraid to ask)
Andrew Duff

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 10:48 am

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FTSE extend losses as property stocks slumping

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 10:49 am

Happy Birthday NHS

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:02 am

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicat ... 6/jul.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Financial Stability Report, July 2016

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:04 am

RobertSnozers wrote:Morning.

This Guardian 'long read' is worth a look even if it is by Rafael Behr. In a refreshing departure from recent coverage, the piece is relatively light on how Corbyn 'lost' the campsign, looking at how the In campaign was made to pull its punches to avoid a serious split in the Tory party, and, how the serious backlash by people who see themselves suffering while elites don't caught the campaign by surprise.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-campaign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The campaign was "run" by Will Straw and Ryan Coetzee. Nuff said.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:05 am

"Mark Priest of ETX Capital says Standard Life’s decision to freeze its property fund last night has spooked the City, and helped to drive down the pound.

Standard Life’s decision to close redemptions on its open-ended property fund is vitally important and shows just how precarious the situation is right now.

This seems to have precipitated some pretty big selling in property stocks and asset managers, with Legal & General and Aberdeen Asset Management suffering nasty falls this morning. Barratt Developments and Taylor Wimpey are down 5% again.

Investors are getting very nervous now as they fear Standard Life may not be the only fund that will close its doors. The last time we saw this kind of action was in the financial crisis."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:18 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Would-be Tory leaders pose as champions of the poor – after six years of cuts
Patrick Butler

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:23 am

Away from the Schroedigner's Cat that is Labour's leadership contest, apparently Leadsom totally bombed in the Tory MPs leadership hustings last night.

Boris set to lose out again?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:27 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... are_btn_tw

Would-be Tory leaders pose as champions of the poor – after six years of cuts
Patrick Butler

I like Patrick Butler.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:51 am

Morning (just). Not feeling like commenting much at the moment. Corbyn is apparently announcing his 'final' shadow cabinet today. If I can hope for one good thing to come out of this entire debacle it's that the young bloods and previously overlooked MPs produce some new stars to carry the Party forward once Corbyn has been deposed. Because the current set in the old guard have demonstrated themselves to be completely unfit to run a fricking birthday party, never mind an opposition party. Hoping the whole lot of them are gone by 2020. Useless bloody imbeciles.

Also a shift to offering PR is being mooted by both sides of the party according to the PLB. Silver linings?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:54 am

norman smith – Verified account ‏@BBCNormanS

It seems tHe Eagle is still in the nest. "I have no statements to make today at the moment, thank you."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 11:56 am

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Key stage 2 results for 2016 published

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:02 pm

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"Given his failure at the ballot box in a national election, it is right that Jeremy Corbyn stand down. But let us not pretend that in saying this simple truth that we will have answered the great question of how the rules of our economy can be shaped to leave no one behind."

Hmm.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:05 pm

Listened to 5Live this morning where they were giving the teachers' strike extra coverage. Can't remember the name of the reporter, (Clive Barnett perhaps?), but he was dreadful. If I say he said 'These commie traitors should be hung', I'd only be slightly exaggerating.
Then they had a debate with a striker and some woman from the Campaign for Real Education. What a thicko! (CfRE woman obvs). Why do these people who oppose all strikes always insist they support the right to strike? They don't.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:10 pm

frightful_oik wrote:Listened to 5Live this morning where they were giving the teachers' strike extra coverage. Can't remember the name of the reporter, (Clive Barnett perhaps?), but he was dreadful. If I say he said 'These commie traitors should be hung', I'd only be slightly exaggerating.
Then they had a debate with a striker and some woman from the Campaign for Real Education. What a thicko! (CfRE woman obvs). Why do these people who oppose all strikes always insist they support the right to strike? They don't.

Speak to someone from either side equals balanced coverage ©BBC

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:15 pm

Should be a daily reminder as well:

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:16 pm

StephenDolan wrote:

"Given his failure at the ballot box in a national election, it is right that Jeremy Corbyn stand down. But let us not pretend that in saying this simple truth that we will have answered the great question of how the rules of our economy can be shaped to leave no one behind."

Hmm.

What?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:35 pm

Good morfternoon.

Crispin Blunt, the Conservative MP who chairs the foreign affairs committee, told Oliver Letwin that it was a “dereliction of duty” for David Cameron not to make any contingency planning for a Brexit vote. There were only two possible outcomes from the referendum, he said. And, since Cameron said he was planning to remain as prime minister whatever the result, he should have planned for a leave vote, he said. (Politics Live, Guardian)

I'm so glad somebody else has noticed.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:37 pm

"BREAKING: Junior doctors and medical students in England vote to reject the new #juniorcontract 58% to 42% on a 68% turnout".

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:41 pm

."@johannmalawana stands down as chair of JDC following rejection of #juniorcontract, says Govt must now ‘respect the decision’ of jr drs"

https://www.bma.org.uk/collective-voice ... gotiations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:43 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:norman smith – Verified account ‏@BBCNormanS

It seems tHe Eagle is still in the nest. "I have no statements to make today at the moment, thank you."
Anglela Duck, more like.

Robert thank you so much for this. I'm chuckling non-stop.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:45 pm

John Lewis report slowing of sales from 7.3% to 2.1% in the week after the Brexit vote.
They are holding their clearance sale, which is usually very popular.

Well done Brexit/Lexit. If mutually owned companies with a good record of charitable giving, non contributory pensions, and good staff benefits including education and leisure subsidies, suffer there will be more room for the cowboy companies. Just what we need.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:45 pm

At what point does the Queen wade in and say enough is enough?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:46 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:At what point does the Queen wade in and say enough is enough?

Or Christine Lagarde?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:48 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:At what point does the Queen wade in and say enough is enough?

Maybe if her people write to her ? I'm not a monarchist but have seriously considered it.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:50 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:At what point does the Queen wade in and say enough is enough?

Must admit, the thought has crossed my mind too - if Brexit *is* reversed/annulled somehow, she might be the only person a fair few people might listen to (and thus perhaps avert serious social unrest) Her final service to the nation?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:51 pm

Anyone know what constitutional law of precedent says about the Queen's interevention.

My husband says George VI was closely involved in the transfer of government from Chamberlain to a National Government led by Churchill, according to Churchill's six volume history of WW2.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:57 pm

The latest ITV Wales poll: Some buyer's remorse.

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 12:59 pm

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''Labour support falls in Wales amid UK leadership crisis.''

Labour down five points, Thanks a bunch Eagle.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 1:01 pm

Haven't read it but hard to disagree with the title to Frankie Boyle's latest at the graun:

The Tory leadership election is a sort of X Factor for choosing the antichrist

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 1:04 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -timetable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Southern apologises as it axes 341 trains a day in new timetable

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 1:11 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Haven't read it but hard to disagree with the title to Frankie Boyle's latest at the graun:

The Tory leadership election is a sort of X Factor for choosing the antichrist

Must admit that tea went down my nose when I read this:

Andrea Leadsom, who was created by Nazi scientists as a response to Dame Vera Lynn.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 1:13 pm

World at One say Owen Smith & Eagle are slugging it out for who delivers the coup de grace.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Jul, 2016 1:15 pm

They were saying that nearly a week ago - GET ON WITH IT FFS!!