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Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
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I like the introductory paragraph to thatohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
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Stephen Kinnock, the ambitious Labour backstabber who has taken a prominent role in the campaign to save the Port Talbot steelworks, has said the shadow business secretary, Angela Eagle, would make a great Labour leader.
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After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?ohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I've been chuckling all week at Robert S's "Angela Eagle? Angela Duck more like"mbc1955 wrote:After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?ohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
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The silly thing is, I used to think Eagle was OK and wasn't very sure about Corbyn.....
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I'd read an earlier article about Kinnock Senior's passionate plea for Corbyn to be unseated. And now the piece by his son.JonnyT1234 wrote:I like the introductory paragraph to thatohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;serious articlefawning puff piece:
Stephen Kinnock, the ambitious Labour backstabber who has taken a prominent role in the campaign to save the Port Talbot steelworks, has said the shadow business secretary, Angela Eagle, would make a great Labour leader.
Does anyone else see a pattern?
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Kinnock was the first to appear on tv moaning about all the bullying he had to put up with,also his son,stephen talked about how he was bullied at school.
They have very short memories when it suits.
They have very short memories when it suits.
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Willow904 wrote:Ah, thanks.AnatolyKasparov wrote:The bulk of legal advice suggests he is on the ballot automatically if he does not resign (it has been suggested the rules on this were changed after the 2010 GE, maybe Kinnock did not notice?)
I set out the legal arguments here
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European Dorset-based success "terrified" over Brexit.
It's criminal. I can see lawsuits.
European Dorset-based success "terrified" over Brexit.
It's criminal. I can see lawsuits.
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PS: I don't mean I can literally see them - and (as you may have noticed) am not actually a lawyer.
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Have just noticed JustMom's avatar.
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Waves back at tinyclanger...
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Andrea Leadsom is so familiar. She's a hybrid of village fete cake judge, sitcom neighbour, small business advisor, freemason and nightmare.
Andrea Leadsom is so familiar. She's a hybrid of village fete cake judge, sitcom neighbour, small business advisor, freemason and nightmare.
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Paul Mason just reads out lines from Momentum nowadays. He's making no sense at all. The non-Corbyn MPs could surf the alleged popularity of Corbyn and then do a very British Coup against him.Maeght wrote:Paul Mason
http://mondediplo.com/2016/07/03brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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For the left, the immediate opportunity lies in an election. There is no certainty the incoming Tory leader will call one, but it’s hard to negotiate without a mandate. Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election.
This was the self-destructive myopia of a political generation not trained for conflict and adversity. Faced with the most significant political catastrophe of their lifetime, and the chance to assume the mantle of leading the nation, Labour MPs chose to fight each other.
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The public loves it when parties kick out leaders they see as extreme. See John Major.mbc1955 wrote:After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?ohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I didn't see it ( I no longer watch due to the swearing...apparently I turn in to Malcolm Tucker ) but this is my position too :
Ian Hislop: 'Remainers are entitled to go on making the argument'
"Even if you lose the vote you are entitled to go on making the argument".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ian Hislop: 'Remainers are entitled to go on making the argument'
"Even if you lose the vote you are entitled to go on making the argument".
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They've got the biggest deficit in Europe to take care of first.tinyclanger2 wrote:I feel a sort of reverse Britain coming on in due course. When all the people in the southeast are complaining about the Holyrood bubble ...http://stv.tv/news/politics/1360183-bre ... -scotland/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
"An independent Scotland committed to the EU would have an extraordinary opportunity to attract inward investment as well as highly skilled migrants.
Ireland will fight them all the way for the Brexit scraps.
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(my bold)Tubby Isaacs wrote:Paul Mason just reads out lines from Momentum nowadays. He's making no sense at all. The non-Corbyn MPs could surf the alleged popularity of Corbyn and then do a very British Coup against him.Maeght wrote:Paul Mason
http://mondediplo.com/2016/07/03brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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For the left, the immediate opportunity lies in an election. There is no certainty the incoming Tory leader will call one, but it’s hard to negotiate without a mandate. Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election.
This was the self-destructive myopia of a political generation not trained for conflict and adversity. Faced with the most significant political catastrophe of their lifetime, and the chance to assume the mantle of leading the nation, Labour MPs chose to fight each other.
I hadn't thought of that.
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Major was seen as the "continuity Thatcher " candidate at the time, if anything.Tubby Isaacs wrote:The public loves it when parties kick out leaders they see as extreme. See John Major.mbc1955 wrote:After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?ohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And she was ousted for important reasons, not because Labour MPs had a collective wobbly at the idea of a snap election that almost certainly now won't happen.
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Serial election-loser Neil Kinnock’s anti-Corbyn tirade is beyond ironic
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Most things are these days.ohsocynical wrote:Serial election-loser Neil Kinnock’s anti-Corbyn tirade is beyond ironic
http://evolvepolitics.com/kinnocks-blus ... hypocrisy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That seems doubtful to me. It's not even as if Mason is particularly radical.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Paul Mason just reads out lines from Momentum nowadays. He's making no sense at all. The non-Corbyn MPs could surf the alleged popularity of Corbyn and then do a very British Coup against him.Maeght wrote:Paul Mason
http://mondediplo.com/2016/07/03brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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For the left, the immediate opportunity lies in an election. There is no certainty the incoming Tory leader will call one, but it’s hard to negotiate without a mandate. Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election.
This was the self-destructive myopia of a political generation not trained for conflict and adversity. Faced with the most significant political catastrophe of their lifetime, and the chance to assume the mantle of leading the nation, Labour MPs chose to fight each other.
Also, btw:
I am dismayed at the statement issued by Tom Watson announcing his withdrawal from talks aimed at resolving the crisis in the Labour party.
Extraordinarily, I received no notice of this statement before it was issued. I had made arrangements for a meeting of trade union leaders, Tom Watson and representatives of the PLP and the party leader for tomorrow, arrangements requested by Tom Watson and his colleagues, specifically for Mr Watson’s convenience.
In that context, when the possibility of a workable plan had never seemed closer, Tom Watson’s actions today can only look like an act of sabotage fraught with peril for the future of the Labour party.
I must clarify one point in Tom Watson’s statement – I made it absolutely clear from the outset of these discussions that Jeremy Corbyn’s resignation as the leader was not on the agenda.
Watson knew that, and it is entirely wrong to suggest that any public statement by Jeremy represented any change in the situation. This is a deeply disingenuous manoeuvre.
I will continue to work with trade union colleagues and others to chart a way forward, including meeting the legitimate concerns of Labour MPs.
Len McKluskey.
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As I recall things, Kinnock was heralded as the "moderate left" leader who would chuck out Militant (which needed to be done, their leadership in particular were poisonous), accept Trident, diminish the role of the unions, not go round nationalising things, not frighten the horses and above all not be Michael Foot.Tubby Isaacs wrote:The public loves it when parties kick out leaders they see as extreme. See John Major.mbc1955 wrote:After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?ohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And for even more voter and Murdoch appeal had Hattersley as his "Labour right wing" deputy leader.
That worked out well didn't it.
And nowadays Hatteresly is of the "old Labour left" according to our Tory-supporting media.
I'm getting tired of calming down....
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Is this true? Serious question."Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched
an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election."
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Hot on the heels of that berk who resigned live on air on The Daily Politics just before pmq's (who's name I forget) Angela Eagle is said to be launching her leadership bid live on air on Peston , Sunday morning " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Then she will be dashing across town to appear live with Andrew Neil to announce it yet again, live on air. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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If it wasn't for sticking to my principles re Corbyn being democratically elected I'd be running a country mile from supporting or voting for Labour.TobyLatimer wrote:Then she will be dashing across town to appear live with Andrew Neil to announce it yet again, live on air. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Well, the "immediate coup" bit is self-evidently true yes. About the precise motivation, you will have to ask the people in question.citizenJA wrote:Is this true? Serious question."Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched
an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election."
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A Corbyn led Labour Party going into an election will make Neil Kinnock look good.
Kinnock, a man who showed more guts than Corbyn will ever have to, but hey never let history get in the way of a good narrative.
Kinnock, a man who showed more guts than Corbyn will ever have to, but hey never let history get in the way of a good narrative.
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You genuinely think Corbyn's long standing support for Brexit and early comments suggesting an anti-immigration and therefore no single market stance aren't real issues for a significant number of Labour supporters and voters, then?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Major was seen as the "continuity Thatcher " candidate at the time, if anything.Tubby Isaacs wrote:The public loves it when parties kick out leaders they see as extreme. See John Major.mbc1955 wrote: After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?
And she was ousted for important reasons, not because Labour MPs had a collective wobbly at the idea of a snap election that almost certainly now won't happen.
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(my bold)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, the "immediate coup" bit is self-evidently true yes. About the precise motivation, you will have to ask the people in question.citizenJA wrote:Is this true? Serious question."Fearing that a left-led Labour Party could actually win the election, its Blairite right wing launched
an immediate coup against Corbyn, to try to prevent him from leading Labour into the election."
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A Blairite right-wing section of the Labour party launching an immediate coup preventing a left-led Labour government is self-evidently true?
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Well they are both grounded in reality and they both live in the real world, and they both desperately want to save Labour from being destroyed by the Tory party at the next election.ohsocynical wrote:I'd read an earlier article about Kinnock Senior's passionate plea for Corbyn to be unseated. And now the piece by his son.JonnyT1234 wrote:I like the introductory paragraph to thatohsocynical wrote:Angela Eagle would be a great Labour leader, says Stephen Kinnock
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... en-kinnock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;serious articlefawning puff piece:
Stephen Kinnock, the ambitious Labour backstabber who has taken a prominent role in the campaign to save the Port Talbot steelworks, has said the shadow business secretary, Angela Eagle, would make a great Labour leader.
Does anyone else see a pattern?
So I guess there is a pattern.
Anybody seriously, for one second think that Corbyn could possibly come within a country mile of winning an election?
Please provide evidence, in the form of polls, or real election results (small party elections don't count).
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No, just that there was an "immediate coup". That is factually correct, all else is conjecture of varying degrees.citizenJA wrote:(my bold)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, the "immediate coup" bit is self-evidently true yes. About the precise motivation, you will have to ask the people in question.citizenJA wrote: Is this true? Serious question.
A Blairite right-wing section of the Labour party launching an immediate coup preventing a left-led Labour government is self-evidently true?
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Corbyn's "there is no pressure on me" speech from the Miners' Gala
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“There’s a lot of debate about what’s happening in the Labour Party at the present time and I’m inundated with questions, questions, questions all the time and I have patience that is infinite to answer questions, questions and questions.
“But one I got today really did puzzle me. They said ‘how are you coping with the pressure that’s on you’. I simply said this: “There is no pressure on me, none whatsoever.
“Real pressure - real pressure - is when you don’t have enough money to feed your kids, when you don’t have a roof over your head, when you are wondering if you are going to be cared for, when you are wondering how you can survive, you are wondering how you are going to cope with the debts you have incurred, you are wondering if your lovely employer is going to give you a call to give you a couple of hours work or not bother, or change their mind when you are on the bus on the way to do that job.
“That is the real pressure in our society.”
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“There’s a lot of debate about what’s happening in the Labour Party at the present time and I’m inundated with questions, questions, questions all the time and I have patience that is infinite to answer questions, questions and questions.
“But one I got today really did puzzle me. They said ‘how are you coping with the pressure that’s on you’. I simply said this: “There is no pressure on me, none whatsoever.
“Real pressure - real pressure - is when you don’t have enough money to feed your kids, when you don’t have a roof over your head, when you are wondering if you are going to be cared for, when you are wondering how you can survive, you are wondering how you are going to cope with the debts you have incurred, you are wondering if your lovely employer is going to give you a call to give you a couple of hours work or not bother, or change their mind when you are on the bus on the way to do that job.
“That is the real pressure in our society.”
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You're answering some different point.TR'sGhost wrote:As I recall things, Kinnock was heralded as the "moderate left" leader who would chuck out Militant (which needed to be done, their leadership in particular were poisonous), accept Trident, diminish the role of the unions, not go round nationalising things, not frighten the horses and above all not be Michael Foot.Tubby Isaacs wrote:The public loves it when parties kick out leaders they see as extreme. See John Major.mbc1955 wrote: After the past fortnight's performance, how could she possibly be the leader of anything?
And for even more voter and Murdoch appeal had Hattersley as his "Labour right wing" deputy leader.
That worked out well didn't it.
And nowadays Hatteresly is of the "old Labour left" according to our Tory-supporting media.
Kinnock's toughest issue was the perceived disaster of the Callaghan government. Unfair on both of them. How that translates into them crying out for Benn and Corby,God knows.
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Mason is delusional, so much so that I wonder if his recent departure from his job had more to it.citizenJA wrote:(my bold)AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, the "immediate coup" bit is self-evidently true yes. About the precise motivation, you will have to ask the people in question.citizenJA wrote: Is this true? Serious question.
A Blairite right-wing section of the Labour party launching an immediate coup preventing a left-led Labour government is self-evidently true?
His statement would only be true if Corbyn was ahead in the polls, or if his recent local election results showed a party on course to retake power. In fact in both cases the exact opposite is true. In polling he is the worst opposition leader, possibly ever, in real elections he is underperforming Miliband significantly.
So either Mason has lost it, or there is a massive conspiracy involving THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE.
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Eagle finally made up her mind then ?
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I liked the man and was quite happy to vote for him. Was very sorry when he lost. But I don't like what he's doing now.letsskiptotheleft wrote:A Corbyn led Labour Party going into an election will make Neil Kinnock look good.
Kinnock, a man who showed more guts than Corbyn will ever have to, but hey never let history get in the way of a good narrative.
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Well I, for one, look forward to Corbyn beating the 'flip flopper' Eagle and then we can stop all this nonsense
The PLP can then decide what they do afterwards
The PLP can then decide what they do afterwards
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ohsocynical wrote:I liked the man and was quite happy to vote for him. Was very sorry when he lost. But I don't like what he's doing now.letsskiptotheleft wrote:A Corbyn led Labour Party going into an election will make Neil Kinnock look good.
Kinnock, a man who showed more guts than Corbyn will ever have to, but hey never let history get in the way of a good narrative.
How many Labour leaders have actually won an election since 1979?
The sum total of 1 - an initial win that was more based on a vote against the Tories and the man who won it has now been thoroughly discredited and is a borderline criminal
The way some people act is that Labour not winning at the next election is totally linked with Corbyn!
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Bloody Andrea Leadsom.
Let me be crystal clear - I've heard the tape, you stupid woman.
And as for, "It may be what I said but it wasn't what I meant".
PM? Good God. What next? She declares war on France but, "It may be what I said but it . . . . "?
Let me be crystal clear - I've heard the tape, you stupid woman.
And as for, "It may be what I said but it wasn't what I meant".
PM? Good God. What next? She declares war on France but, "It may be what I said but it . . . . "?
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If we were to lose a corbyn led election and lost,it would be down entirely to this stupid so called coup.
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I think you're wasting your breath ... I'm still waiting for an answer as to why David Miliband's name was on a Opinium poll asking about choosing a Labour leader.RobertSnozers wrote:Labour had drawn level in the polls and the Tory party was about to go into meltdown. There was absolutely no reason to suspect that Labour could not have gone into a GE campaign at the very least level pegging. The coup threw all that out the window. The previous elections really don't have much bearing as the circumstances have changed dramatically. I can barely be arsed retreading these arguments yet again, but just in case anyone was thinking this perspective is unchallenged... Polls: methodology and weighting has changed since Miliband was in charge with the effect of marking Labour down; elections: Labour did far better in the local elections than anyone predicted and more or less equalled the 2012 high water mark, at the same point in the electoral cycle as the disappointing 2011 local elections. Not that any of that mattered on 24 June, but hey.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Mason is delusional, so much so that I wonder if his recent departure from his job had more to it.citizenJA wrote:(my bold)
A Blairite right-wing section of the Labour party launching an immediate coup preventing a left-led Labour government is self-evidently true?
His statement would only be true if Corbyn was ahead in the polls, or if his recent local election results showed a party on course to retake power. In fact in both cases the exact opposite is true. In polling he is the worst opposition leader, possibly ever, in real elections he is underperforming Miliband significantly.
So either Mason has lost it, or there is a massive conspiracy involving THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE.
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Yes !JustMom wrote:If we were to lose a corbyn led election and lost,it would be down entirely to this stupid so called coup.
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As Willow said, the complete mess being made of by far the most important issue by Corbyn is a big problem for lots of us Labour voters.JustMom wrote:If we were to lose a corbyn led election and lost,it would be down entirely to this stupid so called coup.
Given Corbyn didn't turn up for debates in the referendum, he might not turn up for them in the election, I suppose. But if he does, we won't be impressed to see a Labour leader telling Tim Farron to "respect the will of the people" and criticising Theresa May.for delaying.
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There is a clear correlation between local election results and General Election results, it showed Miliband wasn't far enough ahead then to win, and Corbyn is much further behind now. The people who correctly called 2015 used the locals as their guide.RobertSnozers wrote:Labour had drawn level in the polls and the Tory party was about to go into meltdown. There was absolutely no reason to suspect that Labour could not have gone into a GE campaign at the very least level pegging. The coup threw all that out the window. The previous elections really don't have much bearing as the circumstances have changed dramatically. I can barely be arsed retreading these arguments yet again, but just in case anyone was thinking this perspective is unchallenged... Polls: methodology and weighting has changed since Miliband was in charge with the effect of marking Labour down; elections: Labour did far better in the local elections than anyone predicted and more or less equalled the 2012 high water mark, at the same point in the electoral cycle as the disappointing 2011 local elections. Not that any of that mattered on 24 June, but hey.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Mason is delusional, so much so that I wonder if his recent departure from his job had more to it.citizenJA wrote:(my bold)
A Blairite right-wing section of the Labour party launching an immediate coup preventing a left-led Labour government is self-evidently true?
His statement would only be true if Corbyn was ahead in the polls, or if his recent local election results showed a party on course to retake power. In fact in both cases the exact opposite is true. In polling he is the worst opposition leader, possibly ever, in real elections he is underperforming Miliband significantly.
So either Mason has lost it, or there is a massive conspiracy involving THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE.
Polls are polls, but the Tory Party had gone into total meltdown before this kicked off, and the absolute best (versus no PM) we could manage was level pegging. Even Foot did better than that. Last time I looked it was -7.
Are you seriously claiming a mid term poll, showing a government and opposition on level pegging suggests that indicates a GE would start from the same place? Explain how you just threw out 30 years of history?
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Just another excuse, before it was the local elections, , before that it was Oldham and before that it was meeting with HamasTubby Isaacs wrote:As Willow said, the complete mess being made of by far the most important issue by Corbyn is a big problem for lots of us Labour voters.JustMom wrote:If we were to lose a corbyn led election and lost,it would be down entirely to this stupid so called coup.
Given Corbyn didn't turn up for debates in the referendum, he might not turn up for them in the election, I suppose. But if he does, we won't be impressed to see a Labour leader telling Tim Farron to "respect the will of the people" and criticising Theresa May.for delaying.
The moaning you have all made about the EU refrendum is massively overblown from my view and is just another excuse to call for a change of leader
You have your view, it doesn't mean it is right