Tuesday 12th July 2016
Forum rules
Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.
Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I wish a new party would spring up with the same views and thoughts as Jeremy,I can't see me ever supporting labour again.
I feel dead sick over all this.
I feel dead sick over all this.
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8331
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 7:27 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Interesting counter-argument on Twitter that secret ballot may actually be due to terrified Corbyn supporters!
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8331
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 7:27 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I completely understand how you feel, but if all the good guys walk away...JustMom wrote:I wish a new party would spring up with the same views and thoughts as Jeremy,I can't see me ever supporting labour again.
I feel dead sick over all this.
Please try to hang on in there. There will still be good councillors and MPs to vote for depending where you are.
-
- Minister of State
- Posts: 529
- Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
- Location: Labour-Liberal marginal
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I disagree, Paul. The good councillors and MPs will be answerable to the wreckers for evermore.
If all the good guys walk away we can perhaps forge something better and leave these bastards to rot.
If all the good guys walk away we can perhaps forge something better and leave these bastards to rot.
-
- Chief Whip
- Posts: 1189
- Joined: Tue 28 Jul, 2015 9:05 am
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Is the fix in? What Tom Watson would have to do to get Labour’s NEC to exclude Jeremy Corbyn from a leadership ballot
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Yes of course I know that.JonnyT1234 wrote:You do realise, Hugo, that the reason why so many people voted for Corbyn was that it was because they believed the Labour Party was doomed if they didn't?
Have you ever, ever, ever once thought like this in that weird little 'I am always right, you are always wrong' world of yours? Ever?
I think they are all wrong.
Why do you think I keep arguing the opposite? For the jokes?
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8331
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 7:27 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Laura KuenssbergVerified account @bbclaurak
Corbyn apparently back in room at NEC - does that mean there's been a decision? If you've followed Labour politics for a while..probably not
Corbyn apparently back in room at NEC - does that mean there's been a decision? If you've followed Labour politics for a while..probably not
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 1h1 hour ago
"Watson has stitched it up", texts senior loyalist.
"Watson has stitched it up", texts senior loyalist.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I am sure they do need members. However, as you will know when it does come down to the actual leg work, many of the new younger ones don't show up.AnatolyKasparov wrote:They think they don't need members (save for a few unthinking drones to deliver a few leaflets, maybe)
Its about getting money from rich donors and favourable media coverage. As I just said, they are almost certainly deluded about both.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Oh what rot.AnatolyKasparov wrote:It might be worth pointing out again that yesterday our incoming PM espoused several positions placing her to the left of a hefty chunk of Labour MPs.
What is the point of a Labour party where such people hold the whip hand even existing?
Make no mistake though, that is what the "dark forces" behind this coup want. Selfish, venal, and above all profoundly death defyingly stupid.
It has been done in the open. he has been stabbed in the front. The overwhelming majority of the PLP couldn't carry on with him as leader. It wasn't a tiny Blairite clique as you would prefer.
Unless Watson (!?!) is now a Blairite.
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
So, they haven't actually voted yet... ?
Or have I missed something ?
Or have I missed something ?
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
mbc1955 wrote:I would rip my brain out through my ears if I ever thought like you, you slimy little toad, applauding the kind of third world political fix that this country used to condemn without even thinking. You pollute this forum.SpinningHugo wrote:Difficult, indeed invidious, choice.AnatolyKasparov wrote:He may have fixed it, but at what cost? The end of the Labour party as we have known it, quite possibly.
I hope he feels it was worth it in the years and decades to come.
Try and think like me and Watson.
If you think, as Watson and I do, that Labour is utterly doomed if Corbyn carries on as leader what do you do?
You have to be pretty damn committed to ensuring members get their way to allow Corbyn to go forward without requiring he has support of 1/5th of MPs and MEPs.
I do understand that others don't accept the premise that Watson and I share.
[Of course we don't know the result yet.]
You rock, mbc1955.
"Poverty is the worst form of violence" - Mahatma Gandhi
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
He is not being exluded from the ballot (if that is the conclusion).GetYou wrote:Should Corbyn be excluded from the ballot and my Union not step in, I will be withdrawing my political levy immediately and encouraging everyone else at my workplace to do so. It's the reasonable thing to do.frightful_oik wrote:I wonder who'll pay for those nice suits when the unions withdraw their funding.
He will need 1/5th of the PLP, EPLP to be on it like anyone else
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15732
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I liked my MP until he went a bit mad after the last GE (it started before Jez won, but that made it much worse)
Not sure if I could even vote for him now, even if the party holds together.
If it really does come to a split, its the people at grassroots level who are really going to feel it - just as in 1981.
Erstwhile friends and even families divided, just horrible.
As with much else, it could have been different had the b***ard Blairites just supported Ed.
They could go down in history as reviled as Ramsay Mac and his quislings (even if that word wasn't invented then) back in 1931.
Not sure if I could even vote for him now, even if the party holds together.
If it really does come to a split, its the people at grassroots level who are really going to feel it - just as in 1981.
Erstwhile friends and even families divided, just horrible.
As with much else, it could have been different had the b***ard Blairites just supported Ed.
They could go down in history as reviled as Ramsay Mac and his quislings (even if that word wasn't invented then) back in 1931.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
All I can think is, do these MPs think it's all going to be touchy feely lets put the past behind us at the next GE?GetYou wrote:I disagree, Paul. The good councillors and MPs will be answerable to the wreckers for evermore.
If all the good guys walk away we can perhaps forge something better and leave these bastards to rot.
What's going to be the point of voting Labour, because they've plainly told thousands of us where to go ...
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Because you are an annoying little shit who keeps getting booted off the Guardian.SpinningHugo wrote:Yes of course I know that.JonnyT1234 wrote:You do realise, Hugo, that the reason why so many people voted for Corbyn was that it was because they believed the Labour Party was doomed if they didn't?
Have you ever, ever, ever once thought like this in that weird little 'I am always right, you are always wrong' world of yours? Ever?
I think they are all wrong.
Why do you think I keep arguing the opposite? For the jokes?
- danesclose
- Whip
- Posts: 882
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 8:06 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Back briefly between having a life.SpinningHugo wrote:Mary Turner of GMB is absent from the NEC because of 'illness'.
The oldest trick in the book.
Watson has fixed it.
That is what Watson was elected to do.
Turns out Mary Turner is actually in hospital, rather than performing "the oldest trick in the book".
Hugo, I'd like to think that this will impact in some way on your smug, patronising tone, but I very much doubt it will.
A bientot
Proud to be part of The Indecent Minority.
-
- Minister of State
- Posts: 529
- Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
- Location: Labour-Liberal marginal
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Thanks Rebecca that has properly made me chuckle
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Well, I have done plenty of walking the streets for Labour in the past (including campaigning in seats we took from the Tories in both 92 and 97).ohsocynical wrote:I hope Hugo will put his money where his mouth is. He'll need more than one comfortable pair of shoes to deliver leaflets and knock on doors to make up for the lack of willing supporters these mealy mouthed MPs will have driven away.mbc1955 wrote:I would rip my brain out through my ears if I ever thought like you, you slimy little toad, applauding the kind of third world political fix that this country used to condemn without even thinking. You pollute this forum.SpinningHugo wrote: Difficult, indeed invidious, choice.
Try and think like me and Watson.
If you think, as Watson and I do, that Labour is utterly doomed if Corbyn carries on as leader what do you do?
You have to be pretty damn committed to ensuring members get their way to allow Corbyn to go forward without requiring he has support of 1/5th of MPs and MEPs.
I do understand that others don't accept the premise that Watson and I share.
[Of course we don't know the result yet.]
Lets see them survive when the money dries up, and they're out there wearing their feet out in order to get elected.
And on the subject of voting for them, who says half a million angry members will?
I resigned from Labour on 12 September last year. At the moment whether i even vote Labour will depend on the individual candidate.
So, you may well criticise me for not having a dog in this fight any longer.
However, i did not think it was a requirement of posting here that I am a Labour party member?
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
of course, i was clearly flat wrong.danesclose wrote:Back briefly between having a life.SpinningHugo wrote:Mary Turner of GMB is absent from the NEC because of 'illness'.
The oldest trick in the book.
Watson has fixed it.
That is what Watson was elected to do.
Turns out Mary Turner is actually in hospital, rather than performing "the oldest trick in the book".
Hugo, I'd like to think that this will impact in some way on your smug, patronising tone, but I very much doubt it will.
A bientot
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
That's fucking insulting to the thousands of volunteers who walked themselves to a standstill at the GE for council elections and for the Ref ... And I've seen them so don't try that old bullshit on me.SpinningHugo wrote:I am sure they do need members. However, as you will know when it does come down to the actual leg work, many of the new younger ones don't show up.AnatolyKasparov wrote:They think they don't need members (save for a few unthinking drones to deliver a few leaflets, maybe)
Its about getting money from rich donors and favourable media coverage. As I just said, they are almost certainly deluded about both.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
1. Always looking backwardsAnatolyKasparov wrote: As with much else, it could have been different had the b***ard Blairites just supported Ed.
.
2. Always the Blairites fault.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15732
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Typically, you obsess over such narrow legalistic points.SpinningHugo wrote:Oh what rot.AnatolyKasparov wrote:It might be worth pointing out again that yesterday our incoming PM espoused several positions placing her to the left of a hefty chunk of Labour MPs.
What is the point of a Labour party where such people hold the whip hand even existing?
Make no mistake though, that is what the "dark forces" behind this coup want. Selfish, venal, and above all profoundly death defyingly stupid.
It has been done in the open. he has been stabbed in the front. The overwhelming majority of the PLP couldn't carry on with him as leader. It wasn't a tiny Blairite clique as you would prefer.
Unless Watson (!?!) is now a Blairite.
You may recall I didn't vote for Watson last year - I have never trusted him and indeed thought his behaviour in 2006 was pretty disgraceful.
(and pointless, Blair was going anyway in due course - sound familiar?)
The point is, the space for the sort of Labour party he wants no longer exists. Its day is done.
Its either a meaningful explicitly leftist alternative to the Tories - or nothing.
(that doesn't mean Corbyn, it does mean much of his political programme has to live on)
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I can only walk a few yards but even I managed to deliver leaflets you apology for a human being.
Fuck new Labour. Fuck Wilson. Fuck Eagle and the rest of the mealy mouthed PLP.
I wish you joy of it.
Fuck new Labour. Fuck Wilson. Fuck Eagle and the rest of the mealy mouthed PLP.
I wish you joy of it.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
i am afraid that isn't fair one either me or Blair.RobertSnozers wrote:I remember a previous post which was to the effect of 'try to think like me and Blair', suggesting that Tony Blair had to intervene in the Labour leadership election because he couldn't stay out. Result - a lot more votes for Corbyn.
I really think a legal blog written by someone with no apparent legal knowledge should not be repeatedly posted on these pages.
Blair only intervened right at the end long after it was clear Corbyn was going to win by a mile. He knows as well as everyone else what his standing with the membership is.
As for the legal knowledge bit, yes i am completely sure you are right.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15732
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Its because of them, that we are where we are now.SpinningHugo wrote:1. Always looking backwardsAnatolyKasparov wrote: As with much else, it could have been different had the b***ard Blairites just supported Ed.
.
2. Always the Blairites fault.
Suck it up.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Couldn't agree more.RobertSnozers wrote:Not with a party led by MPs prepared to betray everything the party is supposed to stand for. I will not legitimise them by voting for anyone standing on the same platform.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I completely understand how you feel, but if all the good guys walk away...JustMom wrote:I wish a new party would spring up with the same views and thoughts as Jeremy,I can't see me ever supporting labour again.
I feel dead sick over all this.
Please try to hang on in there. There will still be good councillors and MPs to vote for depending where you are.
Corbyn kept off the ballot = Labour dead to me. Sorry to those who want to stay and make it work, but I could not condone the seizure of power in that way.
Even if/when Corbyn is elected leader again it will be hard to stomach the pile of shits in the PLP.
Really would like a split.
I loathe some of the PLP as much as the Tories.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
You can't work with people who cheat and lie. They've been very plain about the majority of their membership. We're dogs, a mob, a rabble. They don't give a tinkers cuss about us. Glad of the money, but not wanting the responsibility that comes with it.RobertSnozers wrote:Not with a party led by MPs prepared to betray everything the party is supposed to stand for. I will not legitimise them by voting for anyone standing on the same platform.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I completely understand how you feel, but if all the good guys walk away...JustMom wrote:I wish a new party would spring up with the same views and thoughts as Jeremy,I can't see me ever supporting labour again.
I feel dead sick over all this.
Please try to hang on in there. There will still be good councillors and MPs to vote for depending where you are.
Corbyn kept off the ballot = Labour dead to me. Sorry to those who want to stay and make it work, but I could not condone the seizure of power in that way.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 10937
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:10 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I think in this instance they've proved themselves worse.Rebecca wrote:Couldn't agree more.RobertSnozers wrote:Not with a party led by MPs prepared to betray everything the party is supposed to stand for. I will not legitimise them by voting for anyone standing on the same platform.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: I completely understand how you feel, but if all the good guys walk away...
Please try to hang on in there. There will still be good councillors and MPs to vote for depending where you are.
Corbyn kept off the ballot = Labour dead to me. Sorry to those who want to stay and make it work, but I could not condone the seizure of power in that way.
Even if/when Corbyn is elected leader again it will be hard to stomach the pile of shits in the PLP.
Really would like a split.
I loathe some of the PLP as much as the Tories.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Well,Mrs Ohso,if they keep Corbyn off the ballot they will be seeing a lot more of the dogs/mob and rabble.ohsocynical wrote:You can't work with people who cheat and lie. They've been very plain about the majority of their membership. We're dogs, a mob, a rabble. They don't give a tinkers cuss about us. Glad of the money, but not wanting the responsibility that comes with it.RobertSnozers wrote:Not with a party led by MPs prepared to betray everything the party is supposed to stand for. I will not legitimise them by voting for anyone standing on the same platform.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: I completely understand how you feel, but if all the good guys walk away...
Please try to hang on in there. There will still be good councillors and MPs to vote for depending where you are.
Corbyn kept off the ballot = Labour dead to me. Sorry to those who want to stay and make it work, but I could not condone the seizure of power in that way.
I will donate to Momentum the minute it happens.
- mbc1955
- Lord Chancellor
- Posts: 718
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:47 pm
- Location: Stockport, Great Manchester in body, the Lake District at heart
- Contact:
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
You mealy-mouthed little toad, if this forum had requirements for posting they would have been framed to exclude you permanently a very long time ago. You are an utterly disgraceful little shit.SpinningHugo wrote:Well, I have done plenty of walking the streets for Labour in the past (including campaigning in seats we took from the Tories in both 92 and 97).ohsocynical wrote:I hope Hugo will put his money where his mouth is. He'll need more than one comfortable pair of shoes to deliver leaflets and knock on doors to make up for the lack of willing supporters these mealy mouthed MPs will have driven away.mbc1955 wrote: I would rip my brain out through my ears if I ever thought like you, you slimy little toad, applauding the kind of third world political fix that this country used to condemn without even thinking. You pollute this forum.
Lets see them survive when the money dries up, and they're out there wearing their feet out in order to get elected.
And on the subject of voting for them, who says half a million angry members will?
I resigned from Labour on 12 September last year. At the moment whether i even vote Labour will depend on the individual candidate.
So, you may well criticise me for not having a dog in this fight any longer.
However, i did not think it was a requirement of posting here that I am a Labour party member?
The truth ferret speaks!
-
- Chief Whip
- Posts: 1189
- Joined: Tue 28 Jul, 2015 9:05 am
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Much easier on the blood pressure if one doesn't engage.
We might not all agree, but personally speaking I find it simpler just gloss over and ignore if I know in advance that the red mist will arise from reading posts of a certain nature.
We might not all agree, but personally speaking I find it simpler just gloss over and ignore if I know in advance that the red mist will arise from reading posts of a certain nature.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
1. Not it doesn't 'sound familiar'. Your claim that Corbyn would quit is not credible. Over-optimism.AnatolyKasparov wrote:
(and pointless, Blair was going anyway in due course - sound familiar?)
The point is, the space for the sort of Labour party he wants no longer exists. Its day is done.
Its either a meaningful explicitly leftist alternative to the Tories - or nothing.
(that doesn't mean Corbyn, it does mean much of his political programme has to live on)
2. Nobody but nobody thinks a Blairite will be leading the Labour party. As you gleefully like pointing out, Kendall got 4.5%. David Miliband is not making a comeback. The party is a long way from 2010, let alone 1997.
3. I didn't vote for Watson either, but it is the soft left who have come for Corbyn: they are the ones with the numbers, not the Blairite rump.
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
RobertSnozers wrote:I remember a previous post which was to the effect of 'try to think like me and Blair', suggesting that Tony Blair had to intervene in the Labour leadership election because he couldn't stay out. Result - a lot more votes for Corbyn.
I really think a legal blog written by someone with no apparent legal knowledge should not be repeatedly posted on these pages.
Agreed.
"Poverty is the worst form of violence" - Mahatma Gandhi
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Like anyone reads it anyway.ephemerid wrote:RobertSnozers wrote:I remember a previous post which was to the effect of 'try to think like me and Blair', suggesting that Tony Blair had to intervene in the Labour leadership election because he couldn't stay out. Result - a lot more votes for Corbyn.
I really think a legal blog written by someone with no apparent legal knowledge should not be repeatedly posted on these pages.
Agreed.
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 8331
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 7:27 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
You cannot be serious
- Attachments
-
- Screen Shot 2016-07-12 at 18.54.15.png (42.42 KiB) Viewed 7238 times
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Whatever your views on the leadership of the Labour Party (and I imagine that you all know mine) this is an unedifying, embarrassing and distressing mess. I may have my suspicions about the brick incident but that doesn't justify Angela Eagle and the BBC claiming, without any proof (or none that they're sharing, which amounts to the same thing), that they know for a certainty.
- mbc1955
- Lord Chancellor
- Posts: 718
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:47 pm
- Location: Stockport, Great Manchester in body, the Lake District at heart
- Contact:
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I take your point, but sometimes points that are particularly offensive should be greeted robustly.TobyLatimer wrote:Much easier on the blood pressure if one doesn't engage.
We might not all agree, but personally speaking I find it simpler just gloss over and ignore if I know in advance that the red mist will arise from reading posts of a certain nature.
Ideally, nobody should engage Hugo under any circumstances, he should be completely frozen out. I will ignore him if everyone else does.
The truth ferret speaks!
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
If they know they can prove it I suppose.PorFavor wrote:Whatever your views on the leadership of the Labour Party (and I imagine that you all know mine) this is an unedifying, embarrassing and distressing mess. I may have my suspicions about the brick incident but that doesn't justify Angela Eagle and the BBC claiming, without any proof (or none that they're sharing, which amounts to the same thing), that they know for a certainty.
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Now that's not something I recall you ever acknowledging before.SpinningHugo wrote:of course, i was clearly flat wrong.danesclose wrote:Back briefly between having a life.SpinningHugo wrote:Mary Turner of GMB is absent from the NEC because of 'illness'.
The oldest trick in the book.
Watson has fixed it.
That is what Watson was elected to do.
Turns out Mary Turner is actually in hospital, rather than performing "the oldest trick in the book".
Hugo, I'd like to think that this will impact in some way on your smug, patronising tone, but I very much doubt it will.
A bientot
It might be a good idea to arrange for your post saying Tom Watson had rigged things to be deleted, along with any comments that quote it. Because it looks remarkably libellous from where I'm sitting.
I'm surprised such a deep thinking, legally astute ever-present Net God such as yourself didn't consider that risk when you posted it.
I'm getting tired of calming down....
-
- Speaker of the House
- Posts: 2306
- Joined: Mon 16 Mar, 2015 4:20 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Okay, I'm back. Have just seen Laura Kuenssberg on BBC News speaking of months and months of behind the scenes manoeuvring, plots, or whatever it was she called them, but no mention whatsoever of her own role in these.
I would close my eyes if I couldn't dream.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Micahel Crick's tweets of interest
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Corbyn refused to leave when NEC Chair asked him to.
meeting could last another 2-4 hours.
Secret ballot vote was 17-15: so very tight.
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Corbyn refused to leave when NEC Chair asked him to.
meeting could last another 2-4 hours.
Secret ballot vote was 17-15: so very tight.
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Michael Crick
✔
@MichaelLCrick
One source tells me they reckon Labour NEC meeting could last another 3-4 hours
6:04 PM - 12 Jul 2016
148 148 Retweets
33 (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Can we please try to keep it civil and reign back from personal abuse.
-
- Minister of State
- Posts: 529
- Joined: Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:16 pm
- Location: Labour-Liberal marginal
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/sta ... 2539087872
Momentum @PeoplesMomentum 2h2 hours ago
Abuse is unacceptable. Cynically using incidents to score political points or blame an entire movement is too.
Momentum @PeoplesMomentum 2h2 hours ago
Abuse is unacceptable. Cynically using incidents to score political points or blame an entire movement is too.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 7535
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 8:29 am
- Location: Being rained on in west Wales
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
JustMom wrote:Jeremy Corby said it was a total fabrication he refused to leave the meeting,he left right away.
Radio 4 was reporting it as he refused to leave when I came in from gardening, not more than an hour ago. Norman Smith made it sound like WW3 had broken out and no one was safe anywhere near a Labour supporter who was to the left of Frank Field.
Madness. Maybe Robert Harris got his plot for The Ghost wrong.
It is more like Labour's version of Murder on the Orient Express, they've all killed the party.
I honestly don't know who to trust. Am feeling p***ed off with both sides.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 4211
- Joined: Mon 16 Feb, 2015 1:22 pm
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
You think Watson didn't try and persuade people to vote the way he would prefer?TR'sGhost wrote:Now that's not something I recall you ever acknowledging before.SpinningHugo wrote:of course, i was clearly flat wrong.danesclose wrote: Back briefly between having a life.
Turns out Mary Turner is actually in hospital, rather than performing "the oldest trick in the book".
Hugo, I'd like to think that this will impact in some way on your smug, patronising tone, but I very much doubt it will.
A bientot
It might be a good idea to arrange for your post saying Tom Watson had rigged things to be deleted, along with any comments that quote it. Because it looks remarkably libellous from where I'm sitting.
I'm surprised such a deep thinking, legally astute ever-present Net God such as yourself didn't consider that risk when you posted it.
Very noble of him if so.
I think what i said was honest comment (and wouldn't make reasonable people think worse of Watson anyway).
Oh, and one other thing I admitted I was wrong about was Labour's prospects in 2015. By the end I had allowed over-optimism to overcome my reason and thought labour would be in government. Foolish of me and I acknowledged my stupidity. Labour's position was actually much worse than I had realised.
Last edited by SpinningHugo on Tue 12 Jul, 2016 6:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 7535
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 8:29 am
- Location: Being rained on in west Wales
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
That wasn't a rant. More sadness than anything.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 7535
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 8:29 am
- Location: Being rained on in west Wales
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
I remember getting angry with Temulkar a long while back when he thought we were daft to stick with Labour. He said we women wouldn't tell another woman to stick with an abusive partner, one that kept messing her up.
Well Tem, you were right. It's just been too many times this has happened.
Well Tem, you were right. It's just been too many times this has happened.
- mbc1955
- Lord Chancellor
- Posts: 718
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:47 pm
- Location: Stockport, Great Manchester in body, the Lake District at heart
- Contact:
Re: Tuesday 12th July 2016
Having regard to the temper this evening, I am refraining from further posting today.
The truth ferret speaks!