Saturday 16th & Sunday 17th July 2016

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 4:56 pm

citizenJA wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Flouncing away is strictly forbidden come back right now
Flounced right back. Or is that banned too?
Have we voted on it? Yea or nay?

Get the rule book out.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:21 pm

mbc1955 wrote:I haven't flounced, off or back. I just haven't had anything remotely original to say today (first person to say the obvious...)

The most competent people don't say original things, they tell the truth.

edited to add a note to mbc1955:
...like you tell the truth. You're trusty.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:25 pm

We should have a sub-forum for people who want a bit of breathing space for a few days.

We could call it FlounceTheNest.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:27 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:We should have a sub-forum for people who want a bit of breathing space for a few days.

We could call it FlounceTheNest.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:29 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:We should have a sub-forum for people who want a bit of breathing space for a few days.

We could call it FlounceTheNest.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:42 pm

I don't know how I survived the darks times of buillding more houses in one City than the rest of the Country put together,and the obviously unelectable ploy of replacing a Tory MP and then increasing the majority in successive elections.The thuggery,especially enacted by Kate,a 5ft "1 bespectacled mother of two librarian ,viscious she was,blatantly tried to sell me a newspaper once.And the tempestuous meetings of chair throwing maelstroms of abuse,or falling asleep to the light droning,waiting for it to be over to be threatened by someone buying you a pint in the bar afterwards,as I call it.It's funny how myth/reality,personal experience and the re-writing of your own history interact.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:46 pm

Have you thought of writing about it ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:48 pm

I'm reading poet & doctor Dannie Abse's autobiography at the moment. What a lovely man he was, and a staunch anti-Tory. He recalls the Thatcher years well.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 5:59 pm

New ComRes poll due at 7.30pm, their first since May became PM.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:02 pm

citizenJA wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:I haven't flounced, off or back. I just haven't had anything remotely original to say today (first person to say the obvious...)
The most competent people don't say original things, they tell the truth.

edited to add a note to mbc1955:
...like you tell the truth. You're trusty.

Awww, shucks ma'am.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:37 pm

yahyah wrote:I'm reading poet & doctor Dannie Abse's autobiography at the moment. What a lovely man he was, and a staunch anti-Tory. He recalls the Thatcher years well.

Any relation to Leo Abse?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:I'm reading poet & doctor Dannie Abse's autobiography at the moment. What a lovely man he was, and a staunch anti-Tory. He recalls the Thatcher years well.
Any relation to Leo Abse?

His brother.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:41 pm

His brother.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:41 pm

You've got an echo JA !

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:47 pm

yahyah wrote:You've got an echo JA !

I just assumed that Dannie Abse was one of triplets!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 6:56 pm

#TweetLikeAndreaLeadsom

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utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 7:04 pm

What a sorry state of affairs. Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 40681.html)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 7:42 pm

Interesting - that's Timpson and now Gyimah as DfE announcements.

Sam Gyimah MP Verified account
‏@SamGyimah

Delighted to be appointed as a Minister in the Justice Department to help drive progressive reform of the Justice System

"Nick Gibb will leave the government" next please.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 7:57 pm

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I asked if anyone on my Labour party page knew whether this rule applied or not. One kind lady has been trying to find out...
This is what she says.

Mabel Hahner:
I always find it difficult to find Labour documents - they are all over the place. I think the issue is about freeze date - see Chapter 4 Clause II C(iv) (Page 14 in 2015 Rule Book) - I would like to know if this has been agreed by an Independent Scrutineer. Elections always have freeze dates (for selection of a Candidate for Local Gov it is 6 months,. 'The timetable for the election, including any
freeze date, and the procedures for agreeing
the list of those eligible to vote must be
approved by the Independent Scrutineer.'
I dont know what freeze dates were used for leadership elections prior to last year, but an expectation was set in 2015 as the freeze date was very short.
In 2010 the latest date for new members to join was 8th Sep - with result on 25th Sep - so what is precedent for this 6 month freeze date - I think we need to know who the Independent Scrutineer so we can query whether it is fair?

Diane Rayburn Sounds like a bit of a nightmare trying to sort it out. Thanks for trying.

I have found the House of Commons Briefing Paper from 29th June which includes the rules and information about previous leadership elections. This confirms the dates from the previous 2 elections, and that the 6 month freeze date is a departure from previous practice. It includes the requirement for the Independent Scrutineer but it doesn't say who has been appointed. I wonder how I can find out?
I have emailed the address on the website leadership2016@labour.org.uk - you never know, they might respond

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 9:35 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:We should have a sub-forum for people who want a bit of breathing space for a few days.

We could call it FlounceTheNest.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 10:21 pm

Toby Perkins dad died today,he was a film critic if you don't know.Here is him taliking,for those interested.

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RIP

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 10:49 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 10:57 pm

Operation Inept just became Operation Even More Inept.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:19 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Operation Inept just became Operation Even More Inept.

Jesus wept .

Angela is a little bit thick , but that Smith is worse, a really ambitious and extremely slimy sod .

I believe he was once even to the right of Blair, but has been covering his tracks ever since ...

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:22 pm

I hate to repeat myself, but does anyone still believe this Labour party ought to be kept together?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:25 pm

mbc1955 wrote:I hate to repeat myself, but does anyone still believe this Labour party ought to be kept together?

Yes, its still doable and worth doing.

All that really needs to happen is for the PLP to be made more representative of the unions and membership.

Not a piece of cake, but far from impossible either.

pala · Post by **pala** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:41 pm

Academic paper on how the media have treated Corbyn: http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research ... -FINAL.pdf

So the last thing he, the party, or the country needed was the plot/coup or whatever it is.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:45 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:I hate to repeat myself, but does anyone still believe this Labour party ought to be kept together?
Yes, its still doable and worth doing.

All that really needs to happen is for the PLP to be made more representative of the unions and membership.

Not a piece of cake, but far from impossible either.

It involves the more toxic elements leaving the party, I actually think the hard right extremists will go after the election and the threat of deselection, which a left leaning NEC and Corbyn as leader is likely to bring in after this coup. I actually think the vast majority of the PLP will knuckle down, some will go, some councillors will follow them, maybe even a couple of MEP's. Does anyone really think someone like Akehurst would be a great loss to the movement?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:47 pm

I also firmly believe that if the party had united behind Corbyn this last year, then Labour would be hammering the tories i the polls.

Post by **adam** » Sat 16 Jul, 2016 11:50 pm

From one of a number of sometimes sickeningly stupid pieces on Cameron's legacy, a better one...

I felt for him on Wednesday as he stood in the rain with his family, winds whipping round Downing Street, his legacy fighting a perfect storm. There goes a true representative of our country, I thought: a miserable, freezing family forced out of their home unexpectedly.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:17 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:I hate to repeat myself, but does anyone still believe this Labour party ought to be kept together?
Yes, its still doable and worth doing.

All that really needs to happen is for the PLP to be made more representative of the unions and membership.

Not a piece of cake, but far from impossible either.

I'd say Not completely impossible .

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:34 am

So the Labour party is salvageable if one of two opposing sides suddenly transforms its nature 180 degrees from where it currently stands.

Put like that...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 12:35 am

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thatchersorphan · Post by **thatchersorphan** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 1:43 am

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John McTernan: if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership, he should be deposed immediately
Includes such gems as "who cares about the grassroots?"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 3:37 am

Go to bed extankie,ephemerid,unless you have already.Only one bleary eyed insomniac at a time.Keep to the rota agreed to at the last meeting,this is an obvious attempt at a coup.#saveblearyeyedinsomniacs

extankie · Post by **extankie** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 3:40 am

HindleA wrote:Go to bed extankie,ephemerid,unless you have already.Only one bleary eyed insomniac at a time.Keep to the rota agreed to at the last meeting,this is an obvious attempt at a coup.#saveblearyeyedinsomniacs

Apologies...don`t sleep much because of pain. try to keep myself sane during the "wee" hours:)

extankie · Post by **extankie** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 3:45 am

extankie wrote:
HindleA wrote:Go to bed extankie,ephemerid,unless you have already.Only one bleary eyed insomniac at a time.Keep to the rota agreed to at the last meeting,this is an obvious attempt at a coup.#saveblearyeyedinsomniacs
Apologies...don`t sleep much because of pain. try to keep myself sane during the "wee" hours:)

And..completely missed what you actually said...doh!
Hi Ephe..

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 3:50 am

extankie wrote:
HindleA wrote:Go to bed extankie,ephemerid,unless you have already.Only one bleary eyed insomniac at a time.Keep to the rota agreed to at the last meeting,this is an obvious attempt at a coup.#saveblearyeyedinsomniacs
Apologies...don`t sleep much because of pain. try to keep myself sane during the "wee" hours:)

No need to apologise.
It was a non subtle attempt to get a response,sorry you are in pain.Luckilly I am not just don't sleep much.Thanks for response.Now I've got a response I cannot think of anything useful to say then again I rarely do.FWIW I lost my sanity some years ago,it was taken in the great "sanity coup" scandal.of 1998,you probably heard about it,then again probably not as I've just made it up.If you have read this far I admire your resiliance to utter bullshit and I hope I have in some way bored some of your pain away.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 3:55 am

I don't know if Ephie is still here,her name is below but it might have been a bit ago,or she's fallen asleep with computer/lap top or just deliberately avoiding commenting or gone into a trance like state,Variety of reasonable explanations like that.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 6:16 am

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We always have been and always will be ####ed because deep in our souls we are still a bunch of cap doffers who believe what we read in the papers.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 8:15 am

I must be wrong given all the squabbling still going on within the PLP but thought the leadership vote used AV. If so what are the Owen and Angela camps scared of unless they believe there really is no unity against Jeremy?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 8:31 am

Time to purge those MPs who don't reflect the people's will eh?

No more Ed Miliband then.

Every cloud.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 8:53 am

SpinningHugo wrote:Time to purge those MPs who don't reflect the people's will eh?

No more Ed Miliband then.

Every cloud.

You'd rather we followed the lead of McTiernan as quoted above, then?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 8:53 am

HindleA wrote:I don't know if Ephie is still here,her name is below but it might have been a bit ago,or she's fallen asleep with computer/lap top or just deliberately avoiding commenting or gone into a trance like state,Variety of reasonable explanations like that.

Hellooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday, dearest A and lovely tank, I was mainly not commenting because I didn't feel like it. Mainly because.... I just didn't feel like it.
This is, I believe (copyright I.D.Perugia Nosferatu Smiff), a reasonable explanation.

Today, however, I do. Feel like it, that is. Although I'd be quite keen to lapse into a trance-like state. I could sort of float above it all whilst contemplating the beauty of cerulean blue skies .......oh bollocks. It's still raining.

Obviously, I have to be very very careful today. Note to Ephie - do not roll eyes, do not tut, do not shake your head, do not mutter under your breath, do not raise your voice, do not indulge in "aggressive physical behaviour, regardless of whether that was the intent, for example, finger pointing". Oh, and don't throw a brick at a building thus breaking a window that is not someone's office window.

Meanwhile - I'd like to thank pk1 for the post yesterday with Ann Black's version of event at the NEC meeting. It shed a bit of light on what went on, which is always useful. I remain a bit troubled that three legal opinions were discussed, but only one of the QCs who wrote one was allowed to present their view; and I remain unimpressed that an item not on the original agenda for the meeting, ie. the new restrictions on who can vote in the leadership election and the £25 fee, was agreed.

Lots of articles in the Observer about Labour - and now it seems that Smith and Eagle are both pitching themselves as unifying candidates. They like a bit of unity. Which is why they are standing against the leader their membership voted for. Obviously.

Saving Labour has about 10,000 followers on social media; it was actively encouraging people to sign up for £3 to oust Corbyn, and to email their MPs to urge them not to back him. It was set up by Reg Race, who was the first MP to utter the word "fuck" in the Commons and had a not very distinguished political career; he is also the owner of Quality Health which has 320 contracts with NHS trusts to provide surveys. Race is a party donor and supported Alan Johnson's bid for the leadership in 2007.

Now that the NEC has changed the rules, Angela Eagle and Saving Labour aren't going to get the votes they hoped for from the £3 supporters; neither will Smith or Corbyn. So it's possible that the eligible membership is not so different from this time last year, and unless people have changed their minds, Corbyn could win again. I hope he does, because I can't see that the others would be any better, to be honest.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:11 am

danesclose wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Time to purge those MPs who don't reflect the people's will eh?

No more Ed Miliband then.

Every cloud.
You'd rather we followed the lead of McTiernan as quoted above, then?

I'd rather we just ignored obvious concern trolling.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:15 am

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danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:22 am

ephemerid wrote:
danesclose wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Time to purge those MPs who don't reflect the people's will eh?

No more Ed Miliband then.

Every cloud.
You'd rather we followed the lead of McTiernan as quoted above, then?

I'd rather we just ignored obvious concern trolling.

Good point. My apologies for taking the bait.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:24 am

ohsocynical wrote:
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Popular Front of Judea vs Judean Popular Front

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:27 am

Danesclose

No.

You should follow the lead of Ed Miliband.

I strongly agree with him.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 17 Jul, 2016 9:34 am

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Charley Allan ‏@charleyallan 12h12 hours ago
Really @saving_labour - encouraging people to misuse party membership lists? That's illegal you know #CorbynStays