Thursday 21st July 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 5:32 am

Morning

Oops

MH370 search team says they may have been looking in wrong place
Experts say plane could have glided rather than dived into the sea meaning they searched wrong patch of Indian Ocean for two years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... rong-place" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 5:40 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... lth-advice" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tuck into tuna, salmon and eggs or take vitamin D pills – official health advice
People urged to eat food rich in vitamin D or take health supplements to reduce risk of bone disease

"Until now it has been assumed that sunlight would provide the vitamin D needed by most of the population all the year round. We now know this is not true because about one in five people in the UK have a low blood level of vitamin D,” said Professor Hilary Powers, who led the SACN review, which took five years."

Surprised about that,we were told over about fifteen years ago that was the case.Maybe it is one of those repeated contradictory advice things.

Edited to correct atrocious spelling mistake.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 5:56 am

More Downing Street Files released

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... 1469056919" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ous-satire" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/abou ... -released/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... n-takeover" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sadiq Khan seeks Transport for London takeover of Southern
London mayor urges transport secretary to let TfL run struggling rail franchise whose passengers were being ‘held hostage’

Used to travel when the franchise was held by Connex,it was pretty crap then.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:30 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... 1469077579" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Garden bridge may need taxpayer bailout once built, report says
Consultancy argues ‘obviously weak’ business plan could mean £175m bridge needs public money to cover running costs

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:33 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... 1469037222" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mondelēz in talks to buy Cadbury biscuit licence from Burton's

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:35 am

HindleA wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... 1469077579" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Garden bridge may need taxpayer bailout once built, report says
Consultancy argues ‘obviously weak’ business plan could mean £175m bridge needs public money to cover running costs

you mean this bridge?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... eatherwick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
She said: “This whole saga now really stinks. It appears that right from the very start of the process Boris Johnson has been breathing down the necks of TfL officers to get the bridge built at any price.”

Article includes terms "vanity project" and "Boris Johnson"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:41 am

Sorry,I was building a 80ft statue of myself in the garden,you were saying?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:43 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ency-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cameron accused of 'gross negligence' over Brexit contingency plans

One wonders if he will get a proportionate degree of comeuppance as this guy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... onths.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A college student with no criminal record was jailed for six months on Thursday for stealing a £3.50 case of bottled water during a night of rioting.

Or this woman:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug ... orts-freed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ursula Nevin slept through riots in Manchester but was jailed after accepting a pair of shorts looted by a friend

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:48 am

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both. It is conduct that is extreme when compared with ordinary Negligence, which is a mere failure to exercise reasonable care.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:53 am

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a ... sMQru.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

When a person commits negligence, they usually only have to pay compensatory damages. Those are damages designed to address a specific, tangible loss, such as medical expenses, property damage, lost wages, and compensation for pain and suffering.

In addition to compensatory damages, someone who commits gross negligence may have to pay punitive damages. These damages are not tied to any specific injury, but are a punishment designed to deter similar conduct in the future.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 6:58 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ency-plans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; George Bridges, a junior minister at the Department for Exiting the EU, was forced to return to the Lords to explain why he had not told peers that the government was planning to abandon its planned presidency of the EU. The announcement was made by Downing Street in the evening on Tuesday, only hours after Lord Bridges assured peers no such decision was imminent.
...
He said abandoning the presidency scheduled for the second half of 2017 would save the UK anywhere between €35m (£29m) and €170m.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 7:07 am

Slow news day ? Graun have got a report on some comments that appeared on Sparrow's blog. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mays-first" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 7:08 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 47141.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nearly 40,000 people have lodged a complaint with the police alleging that Nigel Farage incited racial and religious hatred during the European Union referendum campaign.

Zack Newman, who created the petition on Change.org in response to the Leave.EU ‘Breaking Point’ poster said: “We need to send a clear signal that in all political campaigns and public life, racism and religious intolerance cannot be used to attract support.”

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 7:19 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 47296.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; we have walked away, led by a thin line of deranged generals armed with undergraduate politics degrees and their own private sovereignty neuroses, who think their nanoscopic abilities will be enough to build something better, but who are too cowardly to acknowledge the army of racist thugs that march behind them.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 7:37 am

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europ ... -committee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Labour MP Chris Leslie calls for select committee to scrutinise Brexit department

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 7:46 am

An expert sticks his oar in:

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/more-than-re-arran ... eckchairs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit is going to occupy considerable attention and resources. Controlling migration will put further strain on the existing, barely coping administrative capacity. There will be little time for domestic priorities. Domestic firefighting and priorities will compete with the Brexit work in a system where morale is generally low after wage freezes, declining working conditions and considerable staff redundancies.

Bleeding winging [sic from earlier] remoaners suck it up losers you dont know what democracy is and the Labour party incited racial hatred by importing immigrants to rub our noses in it you are the racist bigots childish remainiacs need to buck up and grasp what democracy is (etc etc)*

*based on montage of various responses from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 47141.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:03 am

Morning.

Apologies, to TRsGhost for my over reaction yesterday.
It wasn't meant to be personal, I did my usual thing and generalised too far, and crossly.
and apologies to any one else whose posts about Smith I've taken issue with.

I just believe that Smith needs a fair hearing during the campaign if it is to be a truly democratic ballot. Maybe those of us who live in Wales, and have been aware of Smith long before now, have already seen his views, and are more open minded about him.

I voted for Corbyn last year, things are very different now after the EU vote.,
A strong and effective team working together to fight the Tories is what is needed, in my view.
My vote will go to the candidate who shows himself most able to take on the challenge.
I may vote for him again, after the campaign unfolds.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:07 am

Sorry to mention the leadership on the new thread, but wanted to apologise to TR.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:23 am

Look away TinyC, this is getting nasty.

He is a UKIP councillor.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/u ... more-59132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:36 am

A lot of reasonableness about,good to see.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:41 am

When you're as weird as a nine bob note it is rather disconcerting to witness a lot of people overtake you with such speed.

#Iwantmyweirdnessback

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 8:56 am

HindleA wrote:When you're as weird as a nine bob note it is rather disconcerting to witness a lot of people overtake you with such speed.

#Iwantmyweirdnessback

TAKE IT BACK HindleA. By, for example, holding a referendum on it.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:02 am

If Chakrabati gets to sit on the red benches of the Lords, will her seat be known as a Shami Leather ?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:03 am

Thanks to HindleA (again) for the Universal Credit link last night.

This "flagship" so-called "reform" was announced in 2010 and has been in the process of implementation for more than four years.

It has has five head honchos, seven re-sets, and is now five years behind its original completion date.
280,000 claimants are on the system, when the original plan was to have more than 6 million by now.

DWP director general of UC Neil Couling - "I wouldn't accept that it's a delay".
He said that the scope of the UC programme has been increased because the government wants to do more welfare reform (although he didn't say what that meant). He went on to say that it's like building a 3-bedroom house then deciding to add extra bedrooms - "It just feels like a delay".

DWP managers - "It reflects the expanding scope of the governments' welfare reform agenda".
Of course, we have no idea what this means.

UC is supposed to lift 350,000 children out of poverty. The government denies that there are 350,000 children in poverty.
UC claimants are, apparently, more likely to find work than people on JSA. That's because many UC claimants are IN work.

In 2010, IDS claimed that the cost of UC roll-out would be £2 Billion.
In 2010, Freud claimed that it would confer economic benefits worth £50 Billion.
Now, the estimated cost is in excess of £16 Billion, with no benefits so far......

This is the mess many predicted it would be.
Delays, sanctions, fines, and new charges have led to a steep increase in rent arrears, hardship, and child poverty.
That's with just 280,000 UC claimants.
Nationwide roll-out will involve between 7 and 9 million people.
That's 25 times the current number.
25 times more sanctions, rent arrears, hardship, hunger........

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:11 am

Snowed under with votes at the moment.Currently in the member-nominated trustee election for the RNIB Retirement Scheme.All women.It has been a brutal affair so far with accusations of spitting,intimidation and worse.My vote might mean its survival or not.Decisions ,decisions.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:11 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 46676.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MPs have rejected a bill that would have changed Britain’s voting system to a form of proportional representation.

Green MP Caroline Lucas proposed the Electoral Reform Bill as a private members’ bill.

Lucas will just have to keep chipping away at this, I think, try to build a consensus among voters that PR is the right way forward.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:11 am

yahyah wrote:

Look away TinyC, this is getting nasty.

He is a UKIP councillor.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/u ... more-59132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Put his name into Twitter, get this within 5 seconds:

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"I hope there is civil war with one group fighting for the EU and the others fighting for freedom for the UK."

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:12 am

yahyah wrote:

Look away TinyC, this is getting nasty.

He is a UKIP councillor.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/07/u ... more-59132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's going to be neither a surprise nor a loss when someone takes him at his word and kills him.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:17 am

In the Mail 21 July 2016

So much for Project Fear - Bank of England officials admit the British economy has showed NO sign of slowing down in the month since the Brexit vote
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4F1rIFBFd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

About the Mail 21 July 2016

Daily Mail publisher acknowledges Brexit advertising troubles
http://www.cityam.com/245885/daily-mail ... dvertising" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On the Brexit vote – which the Daily Mail, but none of the other DMGT newspapers, campaigned for – the company said: “The 'Brexit' result of the UK referendum has created some uncertainty, notably in respect of the UK advertising and property markets.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:19 am

"You haven't paid your rent for seven years"
"I'll pay it back when I win the Lottery,I wouldn't call that a delay"

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:19 am

On Mr Nathan's "sense of humour"

http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/ukip_cou ... _1_4624342" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A spokesperson for Ukip said: “Cllr Nathan was obviously joking. He has apologised.

“We don’t see the need for a show trial. His joke was in very poor taste, but we have spoken to him and he is mortified. There seems no advantage to anyone to take it further.”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:25 am

Devereux got a bit tetchy,at the start of yesterday's session in discussion about the misuse of the Flexible Support Fund in Plaistow.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:38 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
Willow904 wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 46676.html

MPs have rejected a bill that would have changed Britain’s voting system to a form of proportional representation.

Green MP Caroline Lucas proposed the Electoral Reform Bill as a private members’ bill.
Lucas will just have to keep chipping away at this, I think, try to build a consensus among voters that PR is the right way forward.
There's no way the Tories will countenance it while FPTP delivers them majorities. The key is to persuade Labour to adopt it.

I'm kind of thinking voter "demand" may be what it would take to tip Labour fully behind it. If Labour can see a genuine voter draw in offering PR they are more likely to embrace it, I think. The AV referendum a few years ago, showed there was little enthusiasm among the public to change our voting system at that time. I think politicians who want PR, like Lucas, the Libdems and some in Labour, need to convince the public first if they are to convince a majority of MPs. Perhaps 38 Degrees could provide a non-partisan avenue for exploring PR and gauging potential support for it? If they do one of their questionnaires I might suggest it.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:52 am

UKIP wants PR too .

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:57 am

Morning all.

Posted a letter to a parent regarding a complaint which has now been sorted so school really is out for summer...apart from this in a while.

Neil Carmichael ‏@stroud_neil 6m6 minutes ago
The Speaker has kindly granted me an Urgent Question to @educationgovuk on school funding: see http://www.parliamentlive.tv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 10.30am @f40campaign

They wouldn't issue a consultation document on school funding at the point when post schools have already broken up would they?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:59 am

HindleA wrote:A lot of reasonableness about,good to see.

Yes, people will have good legitimate reasons for backing both Corbyn and Smith in the coming contest - and that should be respected.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 9:59 am

frog222 wrote:UKIP wants PR too .

It could be good for populist parties, but I imagine the UKIP surge is at least in part related to the failure of FPTP.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:06 am

Thanks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07krycg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Repeat at 9.30 tonight

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:12 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Andy was badly injured on an oil rig. Yet he’s been judged ‘fit for work’
Frances Ryan

"The damage to his leg is severe enough to mean he’s been given a lifetime award of Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit – and this year his doctor told him he’s not physically able to hold down a job. Regardless, in May, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) ruled Davis “fit to work”. Like every disabled or chronically ill person rejected for out-of-work sickness benefits, that means he has no choice but to claim jobseeker’s allowance (JSA) and look for work instead".

"The adviser then told him that he didn’t have to tell prospective employers about the GP note or his leg, he adds. Davis now has to spend 35 hours per week searching for a job. Or he will have his benefit sanctioned."

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:17 am

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Eagle's logo actually looks like it says something along the lines of:
ARGH

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:21 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:

Eagle's logo actually looks like it says something along the lines of:
ARGH

... We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

ARGH

(This joke recycled for your benefit by ACME JOKES - HOLDING PATTERNS R US)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:22 am

AE's logo and her other launch materials were just so damn naff, sorry.

Looked about two decades out of date, too. For both those reasons (and others) many have suspected the hand of Mandy behind the scenes.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:30 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:

Eagle's logo actually looks like it says something along the lines of:
ARGH

PS. You are absolutely right.

She swooped (eventually), and we cowered in fear at Argh Eagle.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:33 am

"Female MPs could be allowed to breastfeed in the House of Commons following an independent review into tackling sexism in Parliament." [Indy]

Why can't they just have a sandwich?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:35 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Neil Carmichael ‏@stroud_neil 6m6 minutes ago
The Speaker has kindly granted me an Urgent Question to @educationgovuk on school funding: see http://www.parliamentlive.tv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; 10.30am @f40campaign

They wouldn't issue a consultation document on school funding at the point when post schools have already broken up would they?

Lots of Shocked etc at this not unexpected turn of events.

Schools Week
‏@SchoolsWeek

BREAKING NEWS: National funding formula delayed to 2018 http://bit.ly/2a1wxmP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The DfE really is an utterly chaotic dismal mess of a department. Completely useless at everything.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:41 am

Consistency?
Consistently useless.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 10:49 am

Fury as files on Mark Thatcher's 'corrupt' dealing in the Middle East kept secret until 2053

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fu ... pt-8460468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 11:00 am

Ah - page 2.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 21 Jul, 2016 11:00 am

Good morfternoon.