It does, which is what will enable the Brexiteers to blame the Bremainers.RogerOThornhill wrote:I often wonder what impact what politicians and others words have on people's behaviour - does saying "Hold on tight, there's going to be a recession" actually make it happen?
Criticising me for failing to write essays (which is what is required) on why Corbyn's proposals on Big Pharma were daft (which essentially McDonnell acknowledged by claiming he had been misinterpreted this morning) AND why we need to bring back work councils (as Smith proposes) isn't reasonable. Nobody else is expected to produce these lengthy proofs (which would then be dismissed).RobertSnozers wrote:Declining to debate with people on the basis that 'it isn't that kind of forum' insults us all, frankly. Hugo always keeps his posts superficially civil, but beneath that is often needling and provocation IMO.AngryAsWell wrote:I've read back over the weekend posts and - honestly - I can't see in any of Hugo's post any personal insults. He holds a different point of view to many here, that's all. Is it provocative to post a different view point to the main stream? Personally I don't think it is.
Tolerance is a wonderful word.
You are not allowed to criticise the Messiah , OK ?SpinningHugo wrote:Criticising me for failing to write essays (which is what is required) on why Corbyn's proposals on Big Pharma were daft (which essentially McDonnell acknowledged by claiming he had been misinterpreted this morning) AND why we need to bring back work councils (as Smith proposes) isn't reasonable. Nobody else is expected to produce these lengthy proofs (which would then be dismissed).RobertSnozers wrote:Declining to debate with people on the basis that 'it isn't that kind of forum' insults us all, frankly. Hugo always keeps his posts superficially civil, but beneath that is often needling and provocation IMO.AngryAsWell wrote:I've read back over the weekend posts and - honestly - I can't see in any of Hugo's post any personal insults. He holds a different point of view to many here, that's all. Is it provocative to post a different view point to the main stream? Personally I don't think it is.
Tolerance is a wonderful word.
Disagreeing isn't 'provocation'.
I came back on to this board because I could not (and still can't) understand why *intelligent people that I respect* could possible support Corbyn. If you remember I asked, without doubt too often, how it was expected that this now turned out well for the Labour party. I still don;t get it. If I really did hold everyone here in contempt, as you suppose, why bother?
Thanks for this post. Members have contacted Refitman and me raising concerns about the atmosphere in the Forum. How do you suggest we deal with that?HindleA wrote:Beware the "majority view" line and proclamation of speaking for others.It may be the perceived view by reading posts from those who shout the loudest or rally around for what they see as injury to others.Some of us keep quiet in public but work behind the scenes trying to iron out difficulties because they are caught in that thing that they don't want to sever built up relationships or being perceived as betraying because they are looking from a different perspective.My basic instinct from childhood is that regardless if I like the guy or not an instant greeting of "fuck off hugo" and the classmates jumping on him ,even if he is the most annoying kid in the block ,is wrong.Even if it the majority view,no one has the right to speak for me,I am be an arsehole but arseholes are equally entitled to a view,even if it deemed somehow less worthy because I cant articulate it with sufficient rigour to the satisfaction of some.
How about we all try to read posts in a "soft voice" and with a smile on our face, without preconceptions?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks for this post. Members have contacted Refitman and me raising concerns about the atmosphere in the Forum. How do you suggest we deal with that?HindleA wrote:Beware the "majority view" line and proclamation of speaking for others.It may be the perceived view by reading posts from those who shout the loudest or rally around for what they see as injury to others.Some of us keep quiet in public but work behind the scenes trying to iron out difficulties because they are caught in that thing that they don't want to sever built up relationships or being perceived as betraying because they are looking from a different perspective.My basic instinct from childhood is that regardless if I like the guy or not an instant greeting of "fuck off hugo" and the classmates jumping on him ,even if he is the most annoying kid in the block ,is wrong.Even if it the majority view,no one has the right to speak for me,I am be an arsehole but arseholes are equally entitled to a view,even if it deemed somehow less worthy because I cant articulate it with sufficient rigour to the satisfaction of some.
Remember the bank panic and instant U-turn circa 2010 when Cameron went on TV and said the country is massively in debt, so people should be helping the country out by paying off their loans asap?RogerOThornhill wrote:I often wonder what impact what politicians and others words have on people's behaviour - does saying "Hold on tight, there's going to be a recession" actually make it happen?
That (story from the express) is literally sickeningly disingenuous. Our press is evil.AngryAsWell wrote:Dr Tanja Bueltmann
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To overly paraphrase Yes Minister, it's one of those irregular verbs - I am calling attention to the flaws in your plans, he is talking down the economy, they are treacherously damaging Britain with their negativity.RogerOThornhill wrote:I often wonder what impact what politicians and others words have on people's behaviour - does saying "Hold on tight, there's going to be a recession" actually make it happen?
