Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Wednesday 22nd October 2014
Morning all. Labour lead at 1 point on Yougov:
Latest YouGov / The Sun results 21st Oct -
Con 32%, (+1)
Lab 33%, (no change)
LD 8%, (+1)
UKIP 16%; (+1)
APP -23 (-1)
Latest YouGov / The Sun results 21st Oct -
Con 32%, (+1)
Lab 33%, (no change)
LD 8%, (+1)
UKIP 16%; (+1)
APP -23 (-1)
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Greens on 5% and SNP/PCY on 4% – are those both down?
And a steady 54% disapprove of the Government's record to date, with approval down 1 to 31%, and 15% don't knows. Ah, is that what APP is?
And a steady 54% disapprove of the Government's record to date, with approval down 1 to 31%, and 15% don't knows. Ah, is that what APP is?
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Well known Rottweiler of the journalistic profession, Eamomm Holmes giving James Brokenshire a tonking on sky news! Their reporter has just made the point that in 06 the Home Secretary lost their job over absconding prisoners, but hey that was a Labour one!
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Definitely something wrong with the minds of those at the NHS who thought this one up. Tory marketising rot has taken a severe hold by the sound of it. Glad to see there are plenty of voices in opposition.NHS dementia plan to give GPs cash for diagnoses criticised as ‘ethical travesty’
NHS condemned as ‘odious’ after introducing scheme whereby GPs given £55 each time they identify the disease in a patient
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... criticised
While nobody opposed the correct diagnosis of dementia , Brunet said, “NHS England have either not considered the ethics of this new policy, or are so blinded by their goal that they don’t deem ethics to be important – either a lack of moral insight, or a failure of moral leadership.”
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The snippets of Fiona Woolf's responses at yesterday's select committee that I heard didn't reassure me about her non establishment credentials.norman smith @BBCNormanS · 1h 1 hour ago
Fiona Woolf needs to "get on with the job" and will carry out a robust inquiry says Home Office minister James Brokenshire
norman smith @BBCNormanS · 1h 1 hour ago
Fiona Woolf "beyond the pale" as chair of child abuse inquiry and shd resign says lawyer representing vicitms Alison Millar @bbcr4today
This enquiry is blighted before it starts. Who is going to trust the process and outcome now? Only those who would like it to be more of the same.
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Morning all...thought I heard something like this on a bulletin this morning - having checked, it seems to be true - although everythingI can find refers to this issue starting in 2006 and nothing meaningful has been done....so nice comfy get-out for the Coalition of Clowns - 'Labours mess first - look over there'.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Well known Rottweiler of the journalistic profession, Eamomm Holmes giving James Brokenshire a tonking on sky news! Their reporter has just made the point that in 06 the Home Secretary lost their job over absconding prisoners, but hey that was a Labour one!
I'm going to link the piece in the Heil, but for one reason only....apparently, it would have been better to have been inside the Schengen Agreement - can anyone remember? - was the reason Britain didn't join connected in anyway to the 'fury' from the Heil and Murchydochia about 'immigrunts' and open borders mean we'll be invaded by swathes of 'furrnerrs'?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html
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There's a first time for everything. This morning it seems to be for me agreeing with something Nadine Dorries says ....
I don't know about the Tim Loughton recommendation though.Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · 4m 4 minutes ago
There may be nine people on the enquirey, but the lead must have full public and victim confidence - Fiona Woolf no longer has that
Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · 33m 33 minutes ago
Fiona Woolf has to go. Appointment now smacks of 'jobs for the girls' @timloughton should chair the HCSA enquiry, he's beyond reproach
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Morning folks,
If there's a prize for the most delusional political initiative, can I have today's? This from the Independent.
If there's a prize for the most delusional political initiative, can I have today's? This from the Independent.
Nick Clegg launches bid to win teachers back to the Lib Dem fold
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Just reading Hansard on the Health questions yesterday...Wales!!...PFI!!!...Wales!!!.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2166000015
Presumably it occurred to no-one that the reason that PFI deals which were signed years ago seem to be too expensive now is that interest rates used in the contracts were far higher 10 years ago than now.
And this:
Excellent - so stop bleating about "clearing up Labour's mess" since there must have been a renegotiation clause ion the contract when it was signed.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2166000015
Presumably it occurred to no-one that the reason that PFI deals which were signed years ago seem to be too expensive now is that interest rates used in the contracts were far higher 10 years ago than now.
And this:
Oh so they can be renegotiated then?Jesse Norman: Thanks to determined work with which I have been closely associated and with outside experts’ advice, Hereford hospital has managed to save several million pounds on its exorbitant PFI contract—money that is already being ploughed back into medicine and services for local people. My studies make it clear that there are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of pounds still to be saved on the PFI across other NHS hospital trusts. Will my hon. Friend press Monitor and the NHS Trust Development Authority to do everything they can to encourage hospitals to take on specialist PFI contract advisers to help them make these savings?
Excellent - so stop bleating about "clearing up Labour's mess" since there must have been a renegotiation clause ion the contract when it was signed.
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I have awarded it to you 55DN. Trouble is you won't actually be able to see or feel it .... just imagine it's a medal I've hung around your neck. It's a prize to fit the initiative.55DegreesNorth wrote:Morning folks,
If there's a prize for the most delusional political initiative, can I have today's? This from the Independent.
Nick Clegg launches bid to win teachers back to the Lib Dem fold
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More...
If they were "poorly signed" (which is a nonsense anyway - he means "poorly drafted" unless you can't read the signature at the bottom...) how come they can be (i) renegotiated and (ii) bought out?
If they were that poorly drafted there'd be no get out clause and no renegotiation clause at all!
Is it me or does that not make any sense?Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): Hexham hospital is outstanding but was built under a very expensive Tony Blair PFI. Does the Minister welcome the fact that Northumbria NHS trust is the first in the country to buy out the PFI and put it into public ownership, thereby putting millions more into front-line care?
Dr Poulter: My hon. Friend makes an important point. The PFI schemes negotiated by the previous Government were, quite frankly, disastrous for many hospitals. His hospital has seen that the way forward is to buy out the PFI and free up more money for front-line patient care. We will support as many more hospitals in doing that as can be achieved, because this is about making sure that we deliver more money for NHS patients.
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): I was fascinated by the question from the hon. Member for Hexham (Guy Opperman). Would not the simple solution be to take all PFI assets back into public ownership, reintegrate them with hospitals’ existing assets, and save millions of pounds for hospitals every year and billions of pounds for the public purse over time?
Dr Poulter: I understand that the hon. Gentleman is unhappy with the way in which the previous Government negotiated PFI contracts. We are unhappy with it as well, because it is costing the NHS almost £2 billion on current forecasts. We are making sure that we can put in place measures to support hospitals in mitigating the worst excesses of these poorly signed PFI deals.
If they were "poorly signed" (which is a nonsense anyway - he means "poorly drafted" unless you can't read the signature at the bottom...) how come they can be (i) renegotiated and (ii) bought out?
If they were that poorly drafted there'd be no get out clause and no renegotiation clause at all!
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...on Woolf again - she stated yesterday that she 'doesn't know any Freemasons'...so she didn't then, and doesn't now, know her predecessor as lord Mayor...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Gifford
'Gifford, a Freemason,[6]'
...never met him, no idea who he is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Gifford
'Gifford, a Freemason,[6]'
...never met him, no idea who he is
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He really is in a pickle now, isn't he?
Just how behind the curve - thick, obtuse - unable to think through the consequences of their policies (in this case to screw us minions down until we no longer have the energy or spirit to howl) are they?
Pretty much any pleb could foresee this low tax take .... and if he's expecting the self employed returns to boost it - he's going to need a very stiff drink or alternative snifter. No chance.
Miliband's repeated focus on the cost of living crisis is justified by these figures - as is the switch I detect from some Labour figures to talking more strongly about the working people in poverty - and that work no longer provides a route out of poverty.
-LabourList @LabourList · 12m 12 minutes ago
Stagnant wages forcing Osborne to borrow billions more than he did last year http://labli.st/1taOcf4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Just how behind the curve - thick, obtuse - unable to think through the consequences of their policies (in this case to screw us minions down until we no longer have the energy or spirit to howl) are they?
Pretty much any pleb could foresee this low tax take .... and if he's expecting the self employed returns to boost it - he's going to need a very stiff drink or alternative snifter. No chance.
Miliband's repeated focus on the cost of living crisis is justified by these figures - as is the switch I detect from some Labour figures to talking more strongly about the working people in poverty - and that work no longer provides a route out of poverty.
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Completely irrelevant, but I've just had to buy a new CD drive, as mines gone west. At the top of the box, A stern warning says, "Important: you should read the safety instructions before using this device. These can be found on the enclosed CD".
It's going to be one of those days.
It's going to be one of those days.
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Burnham/Labour will have to call a moratorium on all this when they take charge - it's going to take quite some sorting out - but surely it is indefensible on any level of medical philosophy that a 'diagnosis' has a financial inducement?RobertSnozers wrote:I hate to say it but the problem is partly down to that GP contract that the Tories tried to blame for the failure of out of hours services as it 'transactionalised' just about every aspect of the relationship between commissioners and GPs. It was an unforseen consequence that thereafter, GPs would refuse to do anything unless paid specifically for it. That said, a lot of things they demand money for are actually covered by the contract, so commissioners need to get better at enforcing this.rebeccariots2 wrote:Definitely something wrong with the minds of those at the NHS who thought this one up. Tory marketising rot has taken a severe hold by the sound of it. Glad to see there are plenty of voices in opposition.NHS dementia plan to give GPs cash for diagnoses criticised as ‘ethical travesty’
NHS condemned as ‘odious’ after introducing scheme whereby GPs given £55 each time they identify the disease in a patient
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... criticised
While nobody opposed the correct diagnosis of dementia , Brunet said, “NHS England have either not considered the ethics of this new policy, or are so blinded by their goal that they don’t deem ethics to be important – either a lack of moral insight, or a failure of moral leadership.”
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Guess what the theme of today's PMQs will be........RogerOThornhill wrote:Just reading Hansard on the Health questions yesterday...Wales!!...PFI!!!...Wales!!!.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2166000015
Presumably it occurred to no-one that the reason that PFI deals which were signed years ago seem to be too expensive now is that interest rates used in the contracts were far higher 10 years ago than now.
And this:
Oh so they can be renegotiated then?Jesse Norman: Thanks to determined work with which I have been closely associated and with outside experts’ advice, Hereford hospital has managed to save several million pounds on its exorbitant PFI contract—money that is already being ploughed back into medicine and services for local people. My studies make it clear that there are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of pounds still to be saved on the PFI across other NHS hospital trusts. Will my hon. Friend press Monitor and the NHS Trust Development Authority to do everything they can to encourage hospitals to take on specialist PFI contract advisers to help them make these savings?
Excellent - so stop bleating about "clearing up Labour's mess" since there must have been a renegotiation clause ion the contract when it was signed.
The tin man & his happy chicken at the Graun must be having orgasms this week as the Daily Hate prostitutes 'journalism' to provide the cons with smear & lies with which to attack Labour.
Problems in the Welsh NHS has nothing to do with the con-induced cuts though, no no no !
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RogerOThornhill wrote:More...
Is it me or does that not make any sense?Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): Hexham hospital is outstanding but was built under a very expensive Tony Blair PFI. Does the Minister welcome the fact that Northumbria NHS trust is the first in the country to buy out the PFI and put it into public ownership, thereby putting millions more into front-line care?
Dr Poulter: My hon. Friend makes an important point. The PFI schemes negotiated by the previous Government were, quite frankly, disastrous for many hospitals. His hospital has seen that the way forward is to buy out the PFI and free up more money for front-line patient care. We will support as many more hospitals in doing that as can be achieved, because this is about making sure that we deliver more money for NHS patients.
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): I was fascinated by the question from the hon. Member for Hexham (Guy Opperman). Would not the simple solution be to take all PFI assets back into public ownership, reintegrate them with hospitals’ existing assets, and save millions of pounds for hospitals every year and billions of pounds for the public purse over time?
Dr Poulter: I understand that the hon. Gentleman is unhappy with the way in which the previous Government negotiated PFI contracts. We are unhappy with it as well, because it is costing the NHS almost £2 billion on current forecasts. We are making sure that we can put in place measures to support hospitals in mitigating the worst excesses of these poorly signed PFI deals.
If they were "poorly signed" (which is a nonsense anyway - he means "poorly drafted" unless you can't read the signature at the bottom...) how come they can be (i) renegotiated and (ii) bought out?
If they were that poorly drafted there'd be no get out clause and no renegotiation clause at all!
I completely mis-read that as Guy Secretan and wondered why you were quoting Green Wing (not that it wouldn't be applicable with some of the things this government have done)Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con)
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...but...PFI was then, is now and always will be a con trick - if they'd used the same process for the funding of hospitals that was used for Quantitative Easing (you know - the £375 Billion created out of thin air, from the Magic Money Tree, to 'strengthen' the banks and enable them to socialise their losses) effectively the money would've gone (almost) directly into the wider economy...and, I believe(TM), would've had a positive economic effect. (Sorry - PFIs' a bit of a red rag for me - I know - I'm a dreamer )RobertSnozers wrote:The reality is that the early PFI deals were poorly negotiated and represented a poor deal, and while most have been renegotiated, they still aren't great. Most of the later ones were actually pretty good, only made unaffordable in places by the high inflation the Tories failed to deal with for so long. Ironically, now inflation is beginning to fall to dangerously low levels, it's probably a bad time to get out of them.RogerOThornhill wrote:More...
Is it me or does that not make any sense?Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): Hexham hospital is outstanding but was built under a very expensive Tony Blair PFI. Does the Minister welcome the fact that Northumbria NHS trust is the first in the country to buy out the PFI and put it into public ownership, thereby putting millions more into front-line care?
Dr Poulter: My hon. Friend makes an important point. The PFI schemes negotiated by the previous Government were, quite frankly, disastrous for many hospitals. His hospital has seen that the way forward is to buy out the PFI and free up more money for front-line patient care. We will support as many more hospitals in doing that as can be achieved, because this is about making sure that we deliver more money for NHS patients.
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): I was fascinated by the question from the hon. Member for Hexham (Guy Opperman). Would not the simple solution be to take all PFI assets back into public ownership, reintegrate them with hospitals’ existing assets, and save millions of pounds for hospitals every year and billions of pounds for the public purse over time?
Dr Poulter: I understand that the hon. Gentleman is unhappy with the way in which the previous Government negotiated PFI contracts. We are unhappy with it as well, because it is costing the NHS almost £2 billion on current forecasts. We are making sure that we can put in place measures to support hospitals in mitigating the worst excesses of these poorly signed PFI deals.
If they were "poorly signed" (which is a nonsense anyway - he means "poorly drafted" unless you can't read the signature at the bottom...) how come they can be (i) renegotiated and (ii) bought out?
If they were that poorly drafted there'd be no get out clause and no renegotiation clause at all!
The Tories are being slippery here anyway, attacking Labour for making poor PFI deals but agreeing heartily with the principle of PFI.
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Nearly every week our local paper has letters from English tourists thanking our local NHS services and Aberystwyth hospital for the care they, or their relatives, received when taken ill on holiday in Ceredigion.
If they read the Mail now, they must be wondering how they managed to crawl out of the maws of the Welsh commie death machine alive.
If they read the Mail now, they must be wondering how they managed to crawl out of the maws of the Welsh commie death machine alive.
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Does signing a death certificate count?RobertSnozers wrote:Absolutely. I don't recall an instance before when an actual diagnosis resulted in payment - it would be things like doing tests or giving lifestyle health advice on specific issues for specific age groups.Lonewolfie wrote:
Burnham/Labour will have to call a moratorium on all this when they take charge - it's going to take quite some sorting out - but surely it is indefensible on any level of medical philosophy that a 'diagnosis' has a financial inducement?
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
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They've got a poll going on the dementia payment now. 100% No at present - so I think it must have been just me voting so far!
Should GPs be paid £55 for each dementia diagnosis?
Is NHS England's decision to introduce a payment to encourage improvement in the low demential diagnosis detection rate 'a distortion of good medical practice?
http://www.theguardian.com/society/poll ... s-nhs-poll
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If anyone's interested, here's Nicky Morgan in front of the Select Committee
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Playe ... ngId=16159
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Hi Yah Yahyahyah wrote:Nearly every week our local paper has letters from English tourists thanking our local NHS services and Aberystwyth hospital for the care they, or their relatives, received when taken ill on holiday in Ceredigion.
If they read the Mail now, they must be wondering how they managed to crawl out of the maws of the Welsh commie death machine alive.
Given that it is recorded fact that the Heil is now a 'Cameron Popularity Generator' and IPSO has arrived with the ability to investigate and punish (OK - not punish perhaps ) transgressors...can't the Assembly put in a complaint?...or maybe concerned citizens? (Thinking about it, I wonder if IPSO is geographically limited? If not, I can complain...and so can everyone else...toddles off to have a little look)...
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Possibly not - I'm not in any way medically trained - but when someone's dead, they're dead (sorry for the insensitivity) - not in need of future care that requires an accurate diagnosis.Rebecca wrote:Does signing a death certificate count?RobertSnozers wrote:Absolutely. I don't recall an instance before when an actual diagnosis resulted in payment - it would be things like doing tests or giving lifestyle health advice on specific issues for specific age groups.Lonewolfie wrote:
Burnham/Labour will have to call a moratorium on all this when they take charge - it's going to take quite some sorting out - but surely it is indefensible on any level of medical philosophy that a 'diagnosis' has a financial inducement?
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
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Lonewolfie wrote:Possibly not - I'm not in any way medically trained - but when someone's dead, they're dead (sorry for the insensitivity) - not in need of future care that requires an accurate diagnosis.Rebecca wrote:Does signing a death certificate count?RobertSnozers wrote: Absolutely. I don't recall an instance before when an actual diagnosis resulted in payment - it would be things like doing tests or giving lifestyle health advice on specific issues for specific age groups.
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
But 'cause of death' on a death certificate can be important for a variety of reasons.
[Most of which I am unable to remember at the moment!]
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Isn't it something to do with doctors being compelled to attend to issue a death certificate but it is a service to the coroners courts and probate rather than anything to do with the care and well-being of a patient.Lonewolfie wrote:Possibly not - I'm not in any way medically trained - but when someone's dead, they're dead (sorry for the insensitivity) - not in need of future care that requires an accurate diagnosis.Rebecca wrote:Does signing a death certificate count?RobertSnozers wrote: Absolutely. I don't recall an instance before when an actual diagnosis resulted in payment - it would be things like doing tests or giving lifestyle health advice on specific issues for specific age groups.
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
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Not sure if SHO's can claim anything but GPs used to be able to claim additional fees for signing death certs if the deceased was to be cremated & the GP was the 2nd of 2 to certify.Rebecca wrote:Does signing a death certificate count?RobertSnozers wrote:Absolutely. I don't recall an instance before when an actual diagnosis resulted in payment - it would be things like doing tests or giving lifestyle health advice on specific issues for specific age groups.Lonewolfie wrote:
Burnham/Labour will have to call a moratorium on all this when they take charge - it's going to take quite some sorting out - but surely it is indefensible on any level of medical philosophy that a 'diagnosis' has a financial inducement?
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
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Morning.
The fight to save the ILF goes on
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Morgan is struggling a bit explaining some of the policy on free schools with such small numbers...not sure it's a good idea in front of the Select Committee asking about Labour Party policy when they are very apolitical.
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Just put this in to IPSO...I'm not holding my breath
'Clause 1 (Accuracy)
This complaint is wider ranging than just this article. This publication is now running daily articles accusing the NHS in Wales of a large number of problems under the banner headline - 'Labours Welsh NHS shame'. The Daily Mail has also recently declared its' support for the Conservative Party. The supposed facts they print are at best, debatable. There has been no coverage by the Daily Mail of the effects of the Health & Social Care Bill in England or the fact that the Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians in the Coalition have refused to release the NHS Risk Register dealing with these said changes. To any rational person, it is very difficult not to see a connection between the lack of reporting of NHS issues in England (of which there are a huge number and that number is increasing) controlled by the Coalition government, the horrific abusive reporting of the Welsh NHS because of Labour control at Assembly level and the close relationship between the editor and staff of the Daily Mail and the Conservative party. It is stated above that the printed press can be 'partisan' but surely this must not be a charter for party political broadcasting by a newspaper using selected and uncorroborated 'facts' to denigrate a national service.'
This doesn't fill me with confidence about the procedure
'Clause 1 (Accuracy)
This complaint is wider ranging than just this article. This publication is now running daily articles accusing the NHS in Wales of a large number of problems under the banner headline - 'Labours Welsh NHS shame'. The Daily Mail has also recently declared its' support for the Conservative Party. The supposed facts they print are at best, debatable. There has been no coverage by the Daily Mail of the effects of the Health & Social Care Bill in England or the fact that the Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians in the Coalition have refused to release the NHS Risk Register dealing with these said changes. To any rational person, it is very difficult not to see a connection between the lack of reporting of NHS issues in England (of which there are a huge number and that number is increasing) controlled by the Coalition government, the horrific abusive reporting of the Welsh NHS because of Labour control at Assembly level and the close relationship between the editor and staff of the Daily Mail and the Conservative party. It is stated above that the printed press can be 'partisan' but surely this must not be a charter for party political broadcasting by a newspaper using selected and uncorroborated 'facts' to denigrate a national service.'
This doesn't fill me with confidence about the procedure
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So Nicky Morgan isn't going to allow Ofsted to allow the academy chains themselves - only the individual schools in the chain.
Even though Wilshaw wants it, Morgan - or rather her Academy chain sponsors on the DfE board - doesn't.
Even though Wilshaw wants it, Morgan - or rather her Academy chain sponsors on the DfE board - doesn't.
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Agreed - 'sort of' makes sense...but it has to be planned and implemented by grown ups capable of taking decisions based on the common good, not lining the pockets of donors and supporters (and, I believe(TM), designed to create this exact scenario - hence Tory Blur accelerating the program)RobertSnozers wrote:It's not entirely a con trick. Don't misunderstand me, I don't agree with the principle of PFI, but in practical terms the deals make a sort of sense. The NHS was always good at providing care but never that great at maintaining and replacing its physical assets, so one of the ideas behind PFI would be that the buildings, equipment etc would be leased over the period of the contract, and maintained and replaced as necessary by a PFI company so the NHS wouldn't have to worry about that side of things. As far as the actual 'it's private money not public' is concerned, that never worked anyway.Lonewolfie wrote:
...but...PFI was then, is now and always will be a con trick - if they'd used the same process for the funding of hospitals that was used for Quantitative Easing (you know - the £375 Billion created out of thin air, from the Magic Money Tree, to 'strengthen' the banks and enable them to socialise their losses) effectively the money would've gone (almost) directly into the wider economy...and, I believe(TM), would've had a positive economic effect. (Sorry - PFIs' a bit of a red rag for me - I know - I'm a dreamer )
Some of the PFI hospitals, Tunbridge Wells for example, are amazing.
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Well, that's buggered up my Christmas present list. Thought I had it sorted.Mike Read apologises for Ukip Calypso
The former Radio 1 DJ has apologised for “unintentionally causing offence” with his Ukip calypso.
The Press Association has just snapped this.
Former Radio 1 DJ Mike Read today apologised for “unintentionally causing offence” with his Ukip Calypso, sung with a mock Caribbean accent, adding that he has asked his record company to withdraw the song from sale. (Andrew Sparrow, Guardian)
(The Politics Blog is as impossible to navigate as ever, so I don't really bother with it any more. This item happened to be at the top and just leapt out at me.)
Re: Wednesday 22nd October 2014
yahyah wrote:But 'cause of death' on a death certificate can be important for a variety of reasons.Lonewolfie wrote:Possibly not - I'm not in any way medically trained - but when someone's dead, they're dead (sorry for the insensitivity) - not in need of future care that requires an accurate diagnosis.Rebecca wrote: Does signing a death certificate count?
Used to be how the housemen/women topped up their income years ago,my boyfriend used to get £10 a time,this was in the seventies,and in a busy hospital it soon added up,especially in the winter.
Morning all.
[Most of which I am unable to remember at the moment!]
Death certificates are paid for - known as "ash cash" by the cognoscenti - because they are considered an extra duty.
Cause of death, in every single death ever for all time since humans existed, is heart failure.
Obviously.
In hospitals, or at home when a death is expected, doctors will usually write what the patient was diagnosed with; most routine death certs say "heart failure" or "complications of..."
It doesn't matter all that much unless the death is not expected; that's when the certifying doctor may not actually put a reason for death as a PM examination will be required.
One of my SHO's at Westminster once certified a chap in the back of an ambulance who had effectively been decapitated by a tube train in a suicide; she wrote "head injury" on the certificate. I don't think "no head" would have gone down well.....
Cause of death can be very important for statistical purposes. Rates of morbidity in certain illnesses or accidents or whatever inform health care provision - if every cert said (correctly) heart failure it would not be very helpful...
You cannot change a cause of death on a death certificate - if the deceased goes on to have a PM, and it is found that he had some other reason for his death, the cert doesn't change even if it's not accurate. It's a legal document which once signed by a qualified medical practitioner cannot be altered.
Someone who dies of organ failure due to cirrhosis of the liver may have about 6 different reasons why they have the cirrhosis - putting those two conditions on the cert tells us nothing about the reason why that person died.
Death certs have an option for a secondary diagnosis, and it's important that they are used properly. If a doctor certifies cause of death as liver failure due to alcoholism, that's helpful - we then know how that person got ill, what happened to them, and why they died.
Something like alcoholism is a good example - and there are many other chronic illnesses which are too - of how easy it is to skew figures on epidemiology. Most chronic conditions give rise to secondary illness which may be the actual cause of death.
COPD is a case in point - if you have chronic asthma and a series of acute episodes have left you with respiratory damage to the extent you have COPD, as you get older you will eventually develop congestive cardiac failure. An acute episode of CCF could cause serious complications in other organs too. You can live for a long time with all this but it will be the heart failure that will get you in the end.
So what should go on the death cert? Answers on a postcard......
I'm away staying at my daughters this week. She's had hip surgery and needs a bit of TLC. I'll pop in and out over the next few days.
Meanwhile - I'd like to say this.
Having read the pages from yesterday, I really want the arguing to stop.
Temulkar - with all due respect, I have to say I am deeply unimpressed with your recent stroppiness.
I love your writing, and you talk a lot of sense. I also have a great deal of sympathy with your political stance, and I share many of your concerns.
I've had times here when I've accused the general population of FTNers of tribalism, and I've had my arguments, and like HindleA I've had times when I have felt as though I don't quite belong or am being ignored..... all solved by a bit of POLITE honesty.
We all have our allegiances and ideas, but I have noticed an increasingly patronising tone creeping in to your posts here which, were they addressed to me, I would take considerable exception to.
You are clever, erudite, intelligent, and have skill with words - and I sometimes feel that you express yourself in a way that is perhaps not entirely kind.
I think TGS was actually right to call you out on this yesterday, and I might have joined in had I been aware.
That's all.
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Hah! Some weeks ago there was a piece on BBC 4 radio about hospital contracts, and they were speaking to one hospital that had bought themselves out, but it was made clear that their contract allowed them to do so. Many of the contracts won't.RobertSnozers wrote:The reality is that the early PFI deals were poorly negotiated and represented a poor deal, and while most have been renegotiated, they still aren't great. Most of the later ones were actually pretty good, only made unaffordable in places by the high inflation the Tories failed to deal with for so long. Ironically, now inflation is beginning to fall to dangerously low levels, it's probably a bad time to get out of them.RogerOThornhill wrote:More...
Is it me or does that not make any sense?Guy Opperman (Hexham) (Con): Hexham hospital is outstanding but was built under a very expensive Tony Blair PFI. Does the Minister welcome the fact that Northumbria NHS trust is the first in the country to buy out the PFI and put it into public ownership, thereby putting millions more into front-line care?
Dr Poulter: My hon. Friend makes an important point. The PFI schemes negotiated by the previous Government were, quite frankly, disastrous for many hospitals. His hospital has seen that the way forward is to buy out the PFI and free up more money for front-line patient care. We will support as many more hospitals in doing that as can be achieved, because this is about making sure that we deliver more money for NHS patients.
Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab): I was fascinated by the question from the hon. Member for Hexham (Guy Opperman). Would not the simple solution be to take all PFI assets back into public ownership, reintegrate them with hospitals’ existing assets, and save millions of pounds for hospitals every year and billions of pounds for the public purse over time?
Dr Poulter: I understand that the hon. Gentleman is unhappy with the way in which the previous Government negotiated PFI contracts. We are unhappy with it as well, because it is costing the NHS almost £2 billion on current forecasts. We are making sure that we can put in place measures to support hospitals in mitigating the worst excesses of these poorly signed PFI deals.
If they were "poorly signed" (which is a nonsense anyway - he means "poorly drafted" unless you can't read the signature at the bottom...) how come they can be (i) renegotiated and (ii) bought out?
If they were that poorly drafted there'd be no get out clause and no renegotiation clause at all!
The Tories are being slippery here anyway, attacking Labour for making poor PFI deals but agreeing heartily with the principle of PFI.
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Somebody pinch me...I must be dreaming....1st piece on Radio 2 news...fleeing foreign prisoners, fault of current Government even thought they've spent £1Bn and recruited 10 times the original number of staff to deal with the issue (incompetence much?)...2nd piece...increasing pressure on Woolf to step down - but then we got back to normal - Stormin' Norman (Smith) stating that 'Labour aren't moaning so she'll stay in place.' (Edited to add - not verbatim, natch )
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This is what Clegg apparently said to Shaun Lintern of the HSJ:
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He actually used the word "moaning"?Lonewolfie wrote:Somebody pinch me...I must be dreaming....1st piece on Radio 2 news...fleeing foreign prisoners, fault of current Government even thought they've spent £1Bn and recruited 10 times the original number of staff to deal with the issue (incompetence much?)...2nd piece...increasing pressure on Woolf to step down - but then we got back to normal - Stormin' Norman (Smith) stating that 'Labour aren't moaning so she'll stay in place.
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Sorry - of course not - meant to add my usual 'not verbatim, natch' It was something like Labour have concerns but are happy to go ahead with Woolf in charge, so she'll stay where she is. I was really just trying to highlight the Beeb and the shoehorning of Labour into everything...instead of doing some research and asking about the 20 year friendship between CMD and this person, and whether it could have a bearing on how they're treating the CSA Inquiry.AnatolyKasparov wrote:He actually used the word "moaning"?Lonewolfie wrote:Somebody pinch me...I must be dreaming....1st piece on Radio 2 news...fleeing foreign prisoners, fault of current Government even thought they've spent £1Bn and recruited 10 times the original number of staff to deal with the issue (incompetence much?)...2nd piece...increasing pressure on Woolf to step down - but then we got back to normal - Stormin' Norman (Smith) stating that 'Labour aren't moaning so she'll stay in place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03 ... 01437.html
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Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney · 15s 15 seconds ago
Morgan says incredulously "Since when has @Policy_Exchange written government policy?"
Gets biggest (& darkest) laugh of the day #edselctte
Seriously?
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You'll need strong medication, agreeing with Mad Nadrebeccariots2 wrote:There's a first time for everything. This morning it seems to be for me agreeing with something Nadine Dorries says ....
I don't know about the Tim Loughton recommendation though.Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · 4m 4 minutes ago
There may be nine people on the enquirey, but the lead must have full public and victim confidence - Fiona Woolf no longer has that
Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · 33m 33 minutes ago
Fiona Woolf has to go. Appointment now smacks of 'jobs for the girls' @timloughton should chair the HCSA enquiry, he's beyond reproach
...and really? 'Smacks of jobs for the girls'? (several expletives deleted) Michael Mansfield is the man for the job, surely?
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Bl***y (hot fiery place believed in by some people) - I'm spending far too much time in here today!
...but...legal challenge launched over CSA Inquiry Chair...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090
...but...legal challenge launched over CSA Inquiry Chair...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29719090
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Q 1 Mid Staffs, Wales, apology
Check, check, check
sorry
Check, check, check
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Tory members of the public bills committee continuing their delaying tactics over Andrew George's Bill.
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PMQs at the dictat of the Daily Fucking Mail
Roll on 2015 when we can get these tossers out !
Roll on 2015 when we can get these tossers out !
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Oxtra doxtras? (David Cameron, PMQs)
Ed Miliband having to keep pointing out that DC is the one who's meant to be answering, and not asking, the questions.
Ed Miliband having to keep pointing out that DC is the one who's meant to be answering, and not asking, the questions.
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The point is, rather disconcertingly, it is far from impossible to imagine that he *did*Lonewolfie wrote:Sorry - of course not - meant to add my usual 'not verbatim, natch' It was something like Labour have concerns but are happy to go ahead with Woolf in charge, so she'll stay where she is. I was really just trying to highlight the Beeb and the shoehorning of Labour into everything...instead of doing some research and asking about the 20 year friendship between CMD and this person, and whether it could have a bearing on how they're treating the CSA Inquiry.AnatolyKasparov wrote:He actually used the word "moaning"?Lonewolfie wrote:Somebody pinch me...I must be dreaming....1st piece on Radio 2 news...fleeing foreign prisoners, fault of current Government even thought they've spent £1Bn and recruited 10 times the original number of staff to deal with the issue (incompetence much?)...2nd piece...increasing pressure on Woolf to step down - but then we got back to normal - Stormin' Norman (Smith) stating that 'Labour aren't moaning so she'll stay in place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03 ... 01437.html
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