In actual fact, her father was a teacher and her mother a senior NHS manager.
Just putting that out there
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Should be rumours? Three separate incidents although the Bracknell one is definitely true.AnatolyKasparov wrote:An unfounded rumour has just been posted on Twitter?ohsocynical wrote:What the hell is going on?
This will be what many members are feeling and will be asking. Doesn't say much for supposed democracy does it.Freedomofthepress wrote:In response:ohsocynical wrote:Bracknell CLP.
Nomination meeting
Some members have been asking for a nomination meeting and, following lengthy consideration by the officers of the EC, we have confirmed our decision not to hold one. Some of the considerations we took into account were:
1. With over 500 members and registered supporters able to vote, and with passions as high as they are, the management of such a meeting would be a major logistical challenge. Stewards would be required to physically check the membership status of all those seeking admission. Public safety could well be an issue.
2. A neutral facilitator would need to be found so that the meeting could be chaired fairly and impartially.
3. Nationally, on a number of occasions, the mood has been both ugly and antagonistic. The recent statement from our general secretary, Ian McNicol, about acceptable conduct makes this point very clearly.
4. We have two declared candidates and a supporting nomination from Bracknell CLP is unnecessary. It will be for individual members and registered supporters to cast their votes when the time comes.
5. Supporting nomination meetings have to be concluded by 15th August and we need to provide 7 days written notice of holding such a meeting to our regional director. We are now in the peak holiday period and many members will be unable to attend.
I know this will disappoint many of you but this decision was not taken lightly. Thank you for your understanding.
1. This is utter rubbish. The meeting I attended last night had an audience of perhaps over 200 and the general feeling amonst the audience was one of excitement. Excitement to be taking part in something democratic and historic. Many people commented on the way out about how polite everybody had been and how respectful everybody had been towards the other side (this was not quite true as several OS supporters sniggered loudly (on a few occasions) when JC supporters were giving their speeches).
2. Again, this is rubbish. The meeting needs to be run professionally with 5 speakers picked out of a hat for OS and 5 speakers picked out of a hat for JC. All members were asked if they would like to speak on the way in.
I attended this CLP even though I am now with another constituency and even though the Volunteer could see on the database that I was registered at another address, they allowed me in as my membership letter and card was registered within their CLP and I have been a new member since May 2015. The Volunteer was a nice guy and he used his common sense.
3. Has the mood nationally being ugly and antagonistic and if so why? I do not believe the negative reports I are being fed by the media but as was evidenced last night, many people do as I can verify by what I was hearing on the way out.
5. From what I gather the majority of CLP Leadership nomination meetings were held last night. How did all the other CLP's manage to arrange a meeting but yet Bracknell could not?
Just some thoughts.
Yes, I saw this earlier. Disapprove of kids being punished for something which their parents have / haven't done.ephemerid wrote:
One for Roger - Katharine Birbalsingh shows us yet again what a super head she is.....
children whose parents get behind with lunch money have "lunch isolation" imposed on them, made to sit alone for the lunch hour, and given a sandwich instead of a hot meal. This, apparently, is designed to make parents change their ways and pay up front. Lunch at the Michaela Free School costs £2.50 per day, and parents are supposed to pay in advance every term.
A "Where Are We Now - and What Might Be Next?" article. The general tone is that there's nothing to get excited (or optimistic) about, I'm afraid.Whatever happened to the #ToryElectionFraud investigation? (Guardian)
(cJA edit)RogerOThornhill wrote:Yes, I saw this earlier. Disapprove of kids being punished for something which their parents have / haven't done.ephemerid wrote: One for Roger - Katharine Birbalsingh shows us yet again what a super head she is.....
children whose parents get behind with lunch money have "lunch isolation" imposed on them, made to sit alone for the lunch hour, and given a sandwich instead of a hot meal. This, apparently, is designed to make parents change their ways and pay up front. Lunch at the Michaela Free School costs £2.50 per day, and parents are supposed to pay in advance every term.
utopiandreams wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Barry Smith shout a lot about household cleaning materials?
You're making me feel guilty . . .Tizme1 wrote:Greetings all,
I have been reading the last few days but haven't commented because I didn't feel I had anything useful to add.
I'd only have one word for the woman who was responsible for this letter. Cow!RogerOThornhill wrote:Yes, I saw this earlier. Disapprove of kids being punished for something which their parents have / haven't done.ephemerid wrote:
One for Roger - Katharine Birbalsingh shows us yet again what a super head she is.....
children whose parents get behind with lunch money have "lunch isolation" imposed on them, made to sit alone for the lunch hour, and given a sandwich instead of a hot meal. This, apparently, is designed to make parents change their ways and pay up front. Lunch at the Michaela Free School costs £2.50 per day, and parents are supposed to pay in advance every term.
This is the latter sent to parents.
That's really poor - even with the tone, two different spellings of overdue, "Your Faithfully" and a comedy signature. Pretty sure it should be from the "Deputy Head Teacher" not just "Deputy Head".
And a capitalized Sandwich.
Perhaps they're marrying them off to one?RogerOThornhill wrote:And a capitalized Sandwich.
pk1 wrote:Shawcroft suspension was in 2015 for her continued support of Lutfer Rahman.
The image sent to Jess Philips was of a woman's body implaed on a spike & on which the sender had superimposed Jess's face. Surely nobody could endorse this revolting behaviour, regardless of what you might think of her ?
Several CLP's are choosing not to hold nomination meetings - they mean nothing whatsoever in any case. No idea why people get so het up about it.
Labour’s Crisis and the End of the Two-Party System
http://www.labourpains.group.shef.ac.uk ... ty-system/
I'd say so. You're running a terrible risk of sharing a cave with IDS.HindleA wrote:Yes,Morning.
Sometimes I forget,people don't keep the same hours as me,maybe I should stop being a bat for a while.
Of course they get abuse, and whether it is different in degree is a matter of judgement about which we seem to differ (so, for what it is worth, I think Abbott gets more abuse than McDonnell, though the latter is far more deserving of it),AnatolyKasparov wrote:I can think of a fair few male MP opponents of Corbyn who get very rough abuse, quite frequently (mine is one of them)
1967 was an interesting yearohsocynical wrote:"The Labour Party would not be what it is - maddening, perhaps, but also capable of arousing strong positive emotions - if people not only with widely differing views but also with widely differing analyses of episodes in the Party's history did not come together as fellow members."
Gerald Kaufman, 1967.
Labour’s Crisis and the End of the Two-Party System
http://www.labourpains.group.shef.ac.uk ... ty-system/
Some interesting articles appearing today.STAN NEWENS believes in learning from history – and recalls how 35 years ago Labour MPs rebelled against the party’s then leader Michael Foot and how subsequent events cemented Thatcher in power with terrible consequences
http://linkis.com/co.uk/cyfOi
Get ready for the great Brexit lobbying boom | Comment | The Times & The Sunday TimesDid someone say regulatory capture?
One member posted: >>>I've never been sure whether the "executive-heavy" structure of Bracknell CLP is really within the rules of the party. In every other constituency where I've ever been a member, decisions like this have been taken by a rowdy constituency "General Management Committee" or GC with delegates sent from every branch every month. There seems to be a slight 'democratic deficit in Bracknell!"<<<Freedomofthepress wrote:Several CLP's choose last year not to hold nomination meetings and some CLP's choose not to nominate any Leadership contender and I do not recall any complaints or criticism.pk1 wrote:Several CLP's are choosing not to hold nomination meetings -.......... No idea why people get so het up about it.
The reason, that people are getting so het up about it, this year may have to do with the reasons given by the various CLP's for this course of action notably "ugly and antagonistic scenes at meetings", which many members dispute and which there appears to be very little evidence to back up. Also, the fact that the NEC took it upon themselves to ban all CLP meetings until after the Leadership contest. That is why people are upset and angry a the ban on a democratic process.
*sigh* Now I feel guilty for making you feel guilty. Which leaves me distraught, confused, and guilty. And I haven't even had lunch yet.PorFavor wrote:You're making me feel guilty . . .Tizme1 wrote:Greetings all,
I have been reading the last few days but haven't commented because I didn't feel I had anything useful to add.
I am new to the Party and this is my first post. I joined the Party because I thought it would be inclusive and democratic. I over my life have chaired my then local Trade Union Branch, Slough Trade Union Council and other organisations. My family is steeped in Labour Party activism since 1945. My late father the first ever Labour Chairman of the late Berkshire County Council. The purpose of an Executive and a Chairman is to facilitate the workings of an organisation to ensure the membership can play their part and exercise their rights within the organisation they've chosen to join. My reading of this CLP statement to paraphrase it would be this : ' We have become such a large local Party with hundreds of new Members and suupporters that it is now impossible for us to run and organize a democratic meeting '
I expect Diane Abbott has been getting that sort of abuse ever since she's been an MP, poison pen letters before social media came along. Goes with the territory.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I can think of a fair few male MP opponents of Corbyn who get very rough abuse, quite frequently (mine is one of them)
Phillips doesn't get the treatment she does "because she is a woman". She gets it because she far too frequently interjects without thinking, and many suspect with more of an eye on how she can get favourable MSM references rather than the best interests of the party she claims to care about.
And that same media having fainting fits about the least bit of slightly intemperate language by "Corbynistas", whilst cheering her on quite uncritically when she crudely abused Diane Abbott, is yet another example of the double standards and indeed outright mendacity that gets so many people even more annoyed
Requiring the use of "real names" is, I think, unworkable in practice and undesirable in principle.utopiandreams wrote:Personally I think men get as much abuse as women, moreso face to face. Nevertheless I agree that it needs to be tackled on social media and although it goes against the grain it may require real names. Personally I favour greater freedom to speak with part hidden identities, but if that's what it takes then so be it.
For the latter three offences I don't think there have been any.sputnikkers wrote:Re my #BrexitJustice post, above:
Does anyone know offhand if and how many MPs or MEPs have been prosecuted and convicted for 'fraud (- I imagine quite a few but asking mainly for the following:), "misconduct in public office", "undue influence", "inciting racial hatred"'?
If Labour is led by someone other than Corbyn by 2020, I think he is right. Labour has attracted a number of supporters who would not have voted for it under Miliband.ohsocynical wrote:I've just read one Lab MP saying that new members joined up merely to support Corbyn, and they won't necessarily vote Labour.
Some were touting that line during the 2015 leadership election. As were the Tory/kipper trolls - sorry, I should say lifelong Labour voters born, bred and still loving in council houses who just wish the Labour Party were more like the Tories and UKIP so they can keep voting for it.ohsocynical wrote:I've just read one Lab MP saying that new members joined up merely to support Corbyn, and they won't necessarily vote Labour.
Yes, I'm afraid I agree. While still thinking about old IP battles with MS & Apple from my 'regulatory capture' post above, your post provoked my recollection of a post by the redoubtable pj from Groklaw (ran a long running successful campaign for Open Source against use of patents in software) - she later took the site down because of privacy concerns over the necessary use of email to run the site:TR'sGhost wrote:...
Requiring the use of "real names" is, I think, unworkable in practice and undesirable in principle.
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TR'sGhost wrote:Some were touting that line during the 2015 leadership election. As were the Tory/kipper trolls - sorry, I should say lifelong Labour voters born, bred and still loving in council houses who just wish the Labour Party were more like the Tories and UKIP so they can keep voting for it.ohsocynical wrote:I've just read one Lab MP saying that new members joined up merely to support Corbyn, and they won't necessarily vote Labour.