Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Woo woo woo....well done Dr Roger.
Bet that's one hell of a relief.
Maybe we can put our differences aside and raise a cuppa or whatever to Rog, and Mrs Rog as it must have meant he was away from the family a lot.
Bet that's one hell of a relief.
Maybe we can put our differences aside and raise a cuppa or whatever to Rog, and Mrs Rog as it must have meant he was away from the family a lot.
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You had me there for a moment PF.
Was just googling Barbara Cartland and bricklaying to see a pic. Then I got it. Better late than never.
Was just googling Barbara Cartland and bricklaying to see a pic. Then I got it. Better late than never.
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As someone who took a couple of decades,give or take a few years,to achieve honours level,it was so varied and/or lack of depth I could choose whether BA or BSc. before the Hons and is not actually in anything so Open is applied which confuses people not least because they don't think it possible.I admire anyone that pursues any further than that.
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Better than me. I misread it as Barbara Castle and thought it made perfect sense.yahyah wrote:You had me there for a moment PF.
Was just googling Barbara Cartland and bricklaying to see a pic. Then I got it. Better late than never.
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Congratulations!RogerOThornhill wrote:Traingate eh?
Good to see we're focusing on the really important stuff...
Meanwhile I passed my viva this afternoon. Some minor corrections to be completed inside 2 months but that's it. PhD done.
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Be warned. This one's particularly rubbish...
Watson has handed Corbyn evidence of Drot entryism in the Labour Party today.
Hello Radio 4. Here I come.
Watson has handed Corbyn evidence of Drot entryism in the Labour Party today.
Hello Radio 4. Here I come.
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Damn. Missed a trick. Be 4warned. Be 4warned.
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Oh yea-ea-eah.JonnyT1234 wrote:Dancing scum, methinks.tinyclanger2 wrote:On nomenclature. I like to think of myself as "scum"
You can dance ...
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Nope. But I can chew gum.tinyclanger2 wrote:Oh yea-ea-eah.JonnyT1234 wrote:Dancing scum, methinks.tinyclanger2 wrote:On nomenclature. I like to think of myself as "scum"
You can dance ...
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Though May opposed the UK’s withdrawal from the European Union, she now has a new mantra: “We will make Brexit a success because people voted for it.”
This is nonsense. If Britain becomes the only European country apart from Russia to exclude itself from the EU single market, it will not succeed economically, regardless of how people vote.
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Based on forecasts – including a Treasury paper on the costs of Brexit which Sturgeon had previously attacked as “overblown” – the Scottish government document said even the least bad option of remaining within the single market as part of the European Economic Area would cut Scottish GDP by at least £1.7bn by 2030.
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... Having the time of your life ...tinyclanger2 wrote:... You can jive ...
Edit: P.S. This animated GIF is a cunning allegory for the state of the Labour Party. If you look closely it even features a train.
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Congrats Roger, much admiration for your endeavour, and all round bloody hard work!
I'm so in awe I have just opened a stumpy bottle of French lager to you.
I'm so in awe I have just opened a stumpy bottle of French lager to you.
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I think we should have a referendum on withdrawing from the laws of physics
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Well, this dancing meme is certainly defying the laws of gravity so I'll back you on that.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passe ... 05631.html
Oh who's right? Who's wrong? Who's lying? Who's telling the truth? Anyway, isn't it exciting?
The speed at which information is being swapped and copied around. Is it helping? Is it making us more stupid?
Oh who's right? Who's wrong? Who's lying? Who's telling the truth? Anyway, isn't it exciting?
The speed at which information is being swapped and copied around. Is it helping? Is it making us more stupid?
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Probably. Or at least less well-informed. The post-modernists got everyone thinking that all opinions are equal and then we removed peer review from information sources and replaced journalists with professional gossips. And lo. We can't tell anything any more.pala wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passe ... 05631.html
Oh who's right? Who's wrong? Who's lying? Who's telling the truth? Anyway, isn't it exciting?
The speed at which information is being swapped and copied around. Is it helping? Is it making us more stupid?
Moreover, digital learning appears to be reducing capacity for critical thinking (in the useful sense, as opposed to - er ) see eg: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/is-te ... line-79127" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (other sources are available)
Have given up to focus on the dancing/triathlon. Or perhaps a dancing triathlon with Rick Astley, Abba and ... ?
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The Nolan Sisters. I'm in the mood...
In other news, it's 50 years ago today that we first saw the Earth from the Moon [for the very first time I neglected to add*] via Luna Orbiter 1.
* Or, er, didn't. Can't even read my own writing. Tut.
In other news, it's 50 years ago today that we first saw the Earth from the Moon [for the very first time I neglected to add*] via Luna Orbiter 1.
* Or, er, didn't. Can't even read my own writing. Tut.
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As HindleA would put it:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Not sure if this has been post and I've nicked it (if so sorry) worth reminding ourselves what the "Right Wing" actually look and act like.
A death foretold: watch as Priti Patel trashes our proud record on aid
Aditya Chakrabortty
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A death foretold: watch as Priti Patel trashes our proud record on aid
Aditya Chakrabortty
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Edit: Forgot to cite my source:
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It's a bit weird to think that we've only had the capacity to explore space for less than 60 years. Sputnik 1's Earth orbit was in 1957.
Edit: further grammatical ineptitude.
Edit: further grammatical ineptitude.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:Probably. Or at least less well-informed. The post-modernists got everyone thinking that all opinions are equal and then we removed peer review from information sources and replaced journalists with professional gossips. And lo. We can't tell anything any more.pala wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passe ... 05631.html
Oh who's right? Who's wrong? Who's lying? Who's telling the truth? Anyway, isn't it exciting?
The speed at which information is being swapped and copied around. Is it helping? Is it making us more stupid?
Moreover, digital learning appears to be reducing capacity for critical thinking (in the useful sense, as opposed to - er ) see eg: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/is-te ... line-79127" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (other sources are available)
Have given up to focus on the dancing/triathlon. Or perhaps a dancing triathlon with Rick Astley, Abba and ... ?
The Tiller Girls?
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Cripes.RogerOThornhill wrote:2 examiners - 1 internal, 1 external + chair to keep order.
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A re-enactment of the next Labour leadership debate for you there.
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It has more dignity than the current one.
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"I'll show you ram-packed... take a seat grandad. Proud to be standing up for the ordinary people."
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Deleted due to repeat of joke of similar nature and standard.
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Does look like my late lamented grandad,as it happens.
Poor chap he always like larking,and now he's dead.
Poor chap he always like larking,and now he's dead.
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One last entry before I stop this silly nonsense. This one's for yahyah:
Edit: CJA, is that you?
Edit: CJA, is that you?
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I can't run that fast.JonnyT1234 wrote:One last entry before I stop this silly nonsense. This one's for yahyah:
Edit: CJA, is that you?
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Brilliant, JonnyT1234!
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I'm not surprised after that. Looks like it bloody well hurt...HindleA wrote:Does look like my late lamented grandad,as it happens.
Poor chap he always like larking,and now he's dead.
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I know we have the separate threads for leadership but this matters to so many here that I thought I'd risk a post
"A key measure, Smith says, would be to rewrite the eligibility rules for PIP, as campaigners have called for, abandoning “rock solid” criteria that don’t reflect the subtlety of people’s conditions, such as whether someone can walk 20 metres. The work capability assessment – the controversial test that determines whether disabled people are “fit to work” – would also be scrapped, and he says he would shift from using private firms to carry out the tests to what he describes as proper assessments in the NHS and social services with a focus on people’s own GPs and specialists. “If you’re being paid by results to get people off benefits, that’s what you’ll do,” he says of the private companies.
This is personal for Smith. His brother has epilepsy and has been receiving employment and support allowance (ESA). “You meet him and you think he’s fine,” he says. “But he finds it so hard to work.”
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"A key measure, Smith says, would be to rewrite the eligibility rules for PIP, as campaigners have called for, abandoning “rock solid” criteria that don’t reflect the subtlety of people’s conditions, such as whether someone can walk 20 metres. The work capability assessment – the controversial test that determines whether disabled people are “fit to work” – would also be scrapped, and he says he would shift from using private firms to carry out the tests to what he describes as proper assessments in the NHS and social services with a focus on people’s own GPs and specialists. “If you’re being paid by results to get people off benefits, that’s what you’ll do,” he says of the private companies.
This is personal for Smith. His brother has epilepsy and has been receiving employment and support allowance (ESA). “You meet him and you think he’s fine,” he says. “But he finds it so hard to work.”
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Owen Smith apparently calling Corbyn a "lunatic".
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Alice Mahon - MP for Halifax 1987 to 2005
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Goodnight, everyone.
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The Guardian endorsed Clegg in 2010, now they've got all their guns a-blazing for Smith...
Hope no one feels duped this time.
Just a thought that enters my head everyday, peeps, no offence x
Hope no one feels duped this time.
Just a thought that enters my head everyday, peeps, no offence x
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Thanks for the space posts JonnyT1234. To think that we progressed so far in the two decades after Sputnik, 59 years ago, yet we've not been back to the moon for 44 years is very frustrating (for this scifi nerd at least)
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Here's a political angle to my nerdishness: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/23/12603 ... l-election
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Someone who knows about these things informs me that the prime reason accidents declined is due to the computerisiation of signalling and train monitoring systems. Using technology that didn't even exist in the 1980s. There were other changes imposed by the health and safety regulators and worked out by operators as well in consultation with the regulators. Over the last 25 years the ability to model things like crowd movements or transport systems with complicated stuff going on all the time has improved massively.SpinningHugo wrote:but under BR we had decades of underinvestment, which led to the system becoming unsafe. For the problems with the old system, see this list of deaths and injuries
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Your "argument", such as it is, is like the twits who try and spin against Labour by whinging that "when Labour ran the country in the dreadful 1970s we didn't have mobile phones like today, aren't Labour crap."
Though HSE being experts, and state employed experts at that, maybe you prefer the Gove view on such bodies.
We most certainly do not "know price subsidies are counterproductive". It depends on what the purpose of the subsidy is for a start.SpinningHugo wrote: If we know one thing in economics it is this: price subsidies are counterproductive. Whether it is bread, rail travel, or housing. the trains wouldn't empty: they'd just charge the market cost of the service.
Now, I forget which rail company it was that said if government/London Mayoral environmental policies increased demand for rail services by 25% they wouldn't add more rolling stock. They'd increase the ticket price until demand fell sufficiently to fit into the rolling stock they already had. Not a useful approach that, from a running a country point of view.
Transport is an essential service. Which means public transport needs to be managed with a view to benefiting the country as a whole. If those who commute into London by train took to using cars instead it would, as danesclose points out, be a disaster. Therefore public transport into London, to stay with that example, should be run so masses of people can afford to use it. That would benefit the people themselves, the city of London and the businesses and public sector organisations operating in London. Hardly counter-productive unless you're a swivel-eyed "free market is always right!!!11!" kook like the ones whose sock-puppets infest the Guardian these days.
For two reasons.danesclose wrote: How can continental train companies operate much cheaper fares than the UK for comparable services?
1. Their subsidies are uniformly higher. This is unfair on the poor.
2. they are generally in much larger countries without the problems of building infrastructure that we face in the UK. Much easier to build 100m of railtrack in France than in the UK.
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1. Unfair on the poor? Despite making train fares affordable for the less well off, which is precisely the point of the subsidy? What a curious viewpoint. And as usual you make no mention of what "poor" means in this context.
You also really don't get the difference between something publicly owned and operated for the public good and something privately owned and operated for maximum shareholder benefit. Or don't want to get it. Life in
Are subsidised prescription drugs via a fixed charge per item also "unfair on the poor?"
2. What? You're making this up as you go along for trolling impact, aren't you. At least I hope you are.
Ah, you're a free-market laissez-faire "competition will make everyhting wonderful" cultist ideologue who for some reason I can't imagine thinks him/herself some kind of social democrat. Or maybe hopes to win people over to your right-wing economics and right-wing politics where we plebs join a party to hand over money, listen to the leader's and MPs pearls of wisdom and follow their orders in exchange for sod all other than having one set of expensive suits in office rather than another set of politically almost identical expensive suits.SpinningHugo wrote: As to the latter, fine for me to have the UK state itself compete for the franchises (which was Labour policy in 2015 GE), just so long as it does so on a commercial basis. More the merrier: that is how competition works.
You're certainly no Blairite, even Blair was well to the left of you.
Coming from you that's beyond parody.SpinningHugo wrote: I am afraid i think those denying the clear evidence are making themselves look a bit silly.
I'm getting tired of calming down....
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ephemerid wrote:What an unpleasant place this is today.
But where to go other than the now execrable cif?
Is nowhere decent anymore?
Are there so few who try to stay decent?
I,for one,despair