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Friday 4th November 2016
Morning all.
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Morning all.
I do like listening to Frances OGrady. Excellent on the cost of justice.
I do like listening to Frances OGrady. Excellent on the cost of justice.
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Post by me on today's Daily Mail
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I made the mistake of listening to half an hour of QT last night. DD allowed the right wing loons to drone on at length including one particularly ill-informed kipper in the audience but kept talking over the rest. I wish he'd take the retirement he should have taken twenty years ago and STFU.
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Good-morning, everyone.
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Thanks. It's really important we all pass this message on in our daily lives. I think people when they reflect for a moment realise that the judges are just doing their jobs.SpinningHugo wrote:Post by me on today's Daily Mail
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Report: x/y is at the lowest ever level and crisis looms
Government: Well, x is at it's highest ever level
Basic maths you arses. Repeat ad nauseum.
Government: Well, x is at it's highest ever level
Basic maths you arses. Repeat ad nauseum.
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A moderate right-winger perspective on the article 50 ruling:
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The government were disappointed by the High Court ruling yesterday that stated parliament needs to be the one to trigger Article 50, not the government via Royal Prerogative. While May needs to make as big a show of disappointment about this in public as possible, in private she may be very glad about the decision the court has come to.
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Yes, be it schools, hospitals or anything else population size/age related, the short termism of the Tories is disgraceful.GetYou wrote:Report: x/y is at the lowest ever level and crisis looms
Government: Well, x is at it's highest ever level
Basic maths you arses. Repeat ad nauseum.
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Glad to see that Burnham and Clegg are both pushing for the terms and conditions of Brexit to be extremely soft. The call by Smith for Labour to demand at this moment another referendum seems even more politically naive today.
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Good morfternoon.
Another Ukip leadership contender has pulled out of the race. London Assembly member Peter Whittle announced his withdraw and backing for the favourite Paul Nuttall, the party’s former deputy leader. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Only by some people fighting to remain in the EU, does Burnham and Clegg's soft Brexit position appear to be the centre ground. and this is vital because whatever happens it's important that everyone feels like they've won something, even if it's only a small victory.StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see that Burnham and Clegg are both pushing for the terms and conditions of Brexit to be extremely soft. The call by Smith for Labour to demand at this moment another referendum seems even more politically naive today.
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Irony? No. It's bloody terrifying.There is widespread alarm at how the press has covered the high court ruling.
LibDem leader Tim Farron commented:
There is an irony that the same newspapers that argued we would ‘take back control’ are now complaining that the British people will have their views represented through the British parliament.” (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Kindly disagree. The Clegg, Burnham and indeed Labour position is to fragment what Brexit would mean so that it's no longer a binary choice.Willow904 wrote:Only by some people fighting to remain in the EU, does Burnham and Clegg's soft Brexit position appear to be the centre ground. and this is vital because whatever happens it's important that everyone feels like they've won something, even if it's only a small victory.StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see that Burnham and Clegg are both pushing for the terms and conditions of Brexit to be extremely soft. The call by Smith for Labour to demand at this moment another referendum seems even more politically naive today.
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There is one strong argument why the A50 decision should go to the supreme court and not just be left to lie - the High Court in Northern Ireland has ruled (in this judgement from 28th October this year) that the particular circumstances in Norther Ireland did not mean that A50 had to be triggered through parliament but could be a matter for the perorgative. Given the different rulings in different areas of the country - devolved from UK-wide powers to some extent or another - it is right for the Supreme Court to decide.
We are still left with the absolute nonsense from the press arguing that British Justice is getting in the way of returning power to British Justice - and the press' responses to this is a very strong indicator of how things will be if we end up running a second public vote on the issue.
We are still left with the absolute nonsense from the press arguing that British Justice is getting in the way of returning power to British Justice - and the press' responses to this is a very strong indicator of how things will be if we end up running a second public vote on the issue.
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From today, every Italian will get €500 from the government on their 18th birthday to spend on books
It can also be used to buy theatre, cinema and museum tickets
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It can also be used to buy theatre, cinema and museum tickets
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Haven't you both just said the same thing? I apologise if I've misunderstood your posts.StephenDolan wrote:Kindly disagree. The Clegg, Burnham and indeed Labour position is to fragment what Brexit would mean so that it's no longer a binary choice.Willow904 wrote:Only by some people fighting to remain in the EU, does Burnham and Clegg's soft Brexit position appear to be the centre ground. and this is vital because whatever happens it's important that everyone feels like they've won something, even if it's only a small victory.StephenDolan wrote:Glad to see that Burnham and Clegg are both pushing for the terms and conditions of Brexit to be extremely soft. The call by Smith for Labour to demand at this moment another referendum seems even more politically naive today.
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I don't believe that Smith and others calling for a rerun of the referendum was a prerequisite of a softer than soft Brexit being the accepted least worse outcome.citizenJA wrote:Haven't you both just said the same thing? I apologise if I've misunderstood your posts.StephenDolan wrote:Kindly disagree. The Clegg, Burnham and indeed Labour position is to fragment what Brexit would mean so that it's no longer a binary choice.Willow904 wrote: Only by some people fighting to remain in the EU, does Burnham and Clegg's soft Brexit position appear to be the centre ground. and this is vital because whatever happens it's important that everyone feels like they've won something, even if it's only a small victory.
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He's an "Outer" but on the side of the court ruling (I think).Stephen Phillips [Conservative] MP triggers byelection (Politics Live, Guardian)
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2015 general electionPorFavor wrote:He's an "Outer" but on the side of the court ruling (I think).Stephen Phillips [Conservative] MP triggers byelection (Politics Live, Guardian)
Con 56%
Lab 17%
UKIP 15%
Lib Dem 5%
Lincolnshire Independence - 5% (edited to add)
Should be a straightforward thing, but could be a dangerous glimpse of things to come...
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Ah, yes, here you go -
His constituency is Sleaford and North Hykeham, in Lincolnshire.
(Politics Live, Guardian)Phillips said he was resigning because of “irreconcilable policy differences with the current government”.
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Stephen Phillips - a lawyer/judge who voted out but believes parliament should be involved - stepping down!
His constituency is Sleaford and North Hykeham, in Lincolnshire.
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56% in 2015, add one to the pseudoindietory total.PorFavor wrote:He's an "Outer" but on the side of the court ruling (I think).Stephen Phillips [Conservative] MP triggers byelection (Politics Live, Guardian)
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He's actually properly resigning and not standing for re-election, by the looks of it?
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12 Tory lead, hanging by a thread,
12 Tory lead, hanging by a thread
And if one Tory leaves, May shakes her head and there'll be an 11 Tory lead, hanging by a thread.
11 Tory lead,...
12 Tory lead, hanging by a thread
And if one Tory leaves, May shakes her head and there'll be an 11 Tory lead, hanging by a thread.
11 Tory lead,...
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Yes. I imagine his replacement won't be a boon. Especially in Lincolnshire. Unless the rumours that there are a lot of people who regret their "Out" vote are well-founded. Although, on past form (56%), they'd probably vote for Nigel Farage if he were wearing a blue rosette.StephenDolan wrote:56% in 2015, add one to the pseudoindietory total.PorFavor wrote:He's an "Outer" but on the side of the court ruling (I think).Stephen Phillips [Conservative] MP triggers byelection (Politics Live, Guardian)
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BBC saying it's unclear.AnatolyKasparov wrote:He's actually properly resigning and not standing for re-election, by the looks of it?
Laura K must be gutted she couldn't get him to resign just before PMQs yesterday.
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So it's a very pro Brexit seat. Can we expect Farage to try, try, try again?
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I'm up in the i on yesterday's Art 50 case
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People previously bellowing "take back control" complaining about people "taking back control" and people complaining that an earth worm has been murdered. Britain has officially jumped the shark. I want to leave.
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He's on the side of parliament taking back control, not the government behaving like a dictatorship. Fair play to the man despite his views on most things being diametrically opposed to my own.PorFavor wrote:He's an "Outer" but on the side of the court ruling (I think).Stephen Phillips [Conservative] MP triggers byelection (Politics Live, Guardian)
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SpinningHugo wrote:I'm up in the i on yesterday's Art 50 case
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There's speculation that the judgement here could well help the Northern Ireland appeal. Thoughts?
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I think today is a glowing example of why the British 'Free' Press is in dire need of being torn down and reformed. It'll never happen under the Tories, it's unlikely to happen under Labour with anyone from the right of the party in place as leader, Miliband would have had a stab at it but would have been betrayed by the right of the party at every step of the way and would have compromised. Corbyn would be all but certain to try it, but would be more than happy to completely ignore - rather than acquiesce to - the right of the party as they bleated, but would probably fail for that reason.
We're doomed to have a completely shit media in this country that is totally unfit for its purpose, aren't we?
We're doomed to have a completely shit media in this country that is totally unfit for its purpose, aren't we?
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Good, good, good!Labour is calling on justice secretary Liz Truss to condemn “hysterical” attacks on the judiciary in the press.
Labour shadow justice minister Richard Burgon said headlines in some of today’s papers were unacceptable and urged Truss to uphold the independence of the judiciary. (Politics Live, Guardian)
And I think Theresa May should have said something on the subject by now.
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This should be the start of the fightback - if not now, then when??JonnyT1234 wrote:I think today is a glowing example of why the British 'Free' Press is in dire need of being torn down and reformed. It'll never happen under the Tories, it's unlikely to happen under Labour with anyone from the right of the party in place as leader, Miliband would have had a stab at it but would have been betrayed by the right of the party at every step of the way and would have compromised. Corbyn would be all but certain to try it, but would be more than happy to completely ignore - rather than acquiesce to - the right of the party as they bleated, but would probably fail for that reason.
We're doomed to have a completely shit media in this country that is totally unfit for its purpose, aren't we?
Already there is a serious campaign to target advertisers in these hate sheets.
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Do you have a link? Wouldn't mind knowing who to boycottAnatolyKasparov wrote:This should be the start of the fightback - if not now, then when??JonnyT1234 wrote:I think today is a glowing example of why the British 'Free' Press is in dire need of being torn down and reformed. It'll never happen under the Tories, it's unlikely to happen under Labour with anyone from the right of the party in place as leader, Miliband would have had a stab at it but would have been betrayed by the right of the party at every step of the way and would have compromised. Corbyn would be all but certain to try it, but would be more than happy to completely ignore - rather than acquiesce to - the right of the party as they bleated, but would probably fail for that reason.
We're doomed to have a completely shit media in this country that is totally unfit for its purpose, aren't we?
Already there is a serious campaign to target advertisers in these hate sheets.
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There’s been a sharp spike in traffic to an article Stephen Phillips wrote for the Guardian last month.
It explains why he has “irreconcilable policy differences with the current government”.
The campaign to give parliament the right to determine our future relationship with the EU is not about reversing the referendum result. Nor is it about subverting the will of the British people, or having a second bite of the cherry. It’s about the sovereignty that I and others cherish, a sovereignty that resides principally in the House of Commons and in its ability, when given the opportunity, to inform and direct the government of the day.
Not giving parliament the chance, before article 50 is invoked, to say where it thinks these negotiations should end up is, at its core, undemocratic, unconstitutional and likely to exacerbate the divisions in our society to which the referendum gave rise. It also ignores the views of nearly half the people who voted in the referendum, who were perfectly content with our place in the EU.
Ignoring them, even though they were (just) in the minority, is not merely divisive but plain wrong.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
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Its the "StopFundingHate" campaign, easily located on both Facebook and Twitter.Womble44 wrote:Do you have a link? Wouldn't mind knowing who to boycottAnatolyKasparov wrote:This should be the start of the fightback - if not now, then when??JonnyT1234 wrote:I think today is a glowing example of why the British 'Free' Press is in dire need of being torn down and reformed. It'll never happen under the Tories, it's unlikely to happen under Labour with anyone from the right of the party in place as leader, Miliband would have had a stab at it but would have been betrayed by the right of the party at every step of the way and would have compromised. Corbyn would be all but certain to try it, but would be more than happy to completely ignore - rather than acquiesce to - the right of the party as they bleated, but would probably fail for that reason.
We're doomed to have a completely shit media in this country that is totally unfit for its purpose, aren't we?
Already there is a serious campaign to target advertisers in these hate sheets.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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Brexit, Parliament and the prerogative
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Good morning.
Following up a post from last night... he just won't or can't see what the issue is.
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I personally think, in spite of some stiff competition, this (and the subsequent headbangingly ridiculous thread, in which - yes - he compares the Mail headline to an article by Vera Baird contesting the Ched Evans verdict) this might be the most moronic thing I've seen him write.
Following up a post from last night... he just won't or can't see what the issue is.
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I personally think, in spite of some stiff competition, this (and the subsequent headbangingly ridiculous thread, in which - yes - he compares the Mail headline to an article by Vera Baird contesting the Ched Evans verdict) this might be the most moronic thing I've seen him write.
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Just fancy that: Dyson wants his cake.
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Well....
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Has he really forgotten about Jo Cox already? Or did he, like all too many of that ilk, just use that tragedy as another way of bashing Corbyn and his supporters??NonOxCol wrote:Good morning.
Following up a post from last night... he just won't or can't see what the issue is.
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I personally think, in spite of some stiff competition, this (and the subsequent headbangingly ridiculous thread, in which - yes - he compares the Mail headline to an article by Vera Baird contesting the Ched Evans verdict) this might be the most moronic thing I've seen him write.
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Been listening to some phone-in stuff on the radio this morning. This country is full of racist f***wits.
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I get the impression Hodges just disagrees with things to be contrarian.NonOxCol wrote:Good morning.
Following up a post from last night... he just won't or can't see what the issue is.
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I personally think, in spite of some stiff competition, this (and the subsequent headbangingly ridiculous thread, in which - yes - he compares the Mail headline to an article by Vera Baird contesting the Ched Evans verdict) this might be the most moronic thing I've seen him write.
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I can't bear to watch/listen to anything where the public get their say on current affairs anymore.frightful_oik wrote:Been listening to some phone-in stuff on the radio this morning. This country is full of racist f***wits.
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He's a click bait merchant.Womble44 wrote:I get the impression Hodges just disagrees with things to be contrarian.NonOxCol wrote:Good morning.
Following up a post from last night... he just won't or can't see what the issue is.
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I personally think, in spite of some stiff competition, this (and the subsequent headbangingly ridiculous thread, in which - yes - he compares the Mail headline to an article by Vera Baird contesting the Ched Evans verdict) this might be the most moronic thing I've seen him write.
Speaking of which:
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Suzanne Evans on the Daily Politics (BBC2 TV) calling for the sacking of judges. Andrew Neil appears visibly disturbed.
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