Tuesday 10th January 2017
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Interesting that JC has re tweeted this
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A little reminder of the resolution adopted unanimously by Labour Party conference in September:
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#Corbyn #labour #brexit
A little reminder of the resolution adopted unanimously by Labour Party conference in September:
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Snow monkey attempts sex with deer in rare example of interspecies mating
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Gee, I see "Andy Holmes", who I recall as a rather annoying Osborne stooge, is talking perfect sense BTL on the Independent about Brexit.
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What he thinks on Brexit is what the last person he talked to said. It is reassuring in a way though.AngryAsWell wrote:Interesting that JC has re tweeted this
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good newsAngryAsWell wrote:Interesting that JC has re tweeted this
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#Corbyn #labour #brexit
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Well said, cJA. It would appear SH thinks that voting for a party entails supporting everything they say.citizenJA wrote:Don't claim I want something I've made clear I don't. I'll not respond to another not communicating in good faith.SpinningHugo wrote:Are you? Why do you want to end freedom of movement? Don't you want to stay in the single market? Why do you want to make us poorer by doing these things, so that we can't afford better social care and so on?citizenJA wrote: Don't be silly, Tories will hold with their use of force, nothing more. It'll break them. I'm voting for principle by voting Labour.
I disagree with ending freedom of movement. It's not the beginning and end of my relationship with the Labour party.
These things are interrelated.
I don't want an end to freedom of movement, not poorer, not out of the single market, no 'Brexit'. The UK has all
the resources it needs to fund UK infrastructure. It's Tory government making the choice not to fund them.
I assume, as a Green voter, that he supports:
a wealth tax on the top 1%
a Robin Hood Tax on the banks
banning fracking, phasing out coal power stations and no new nuclear power stations
scrapping of university tuition fees
capping of rent for housing
re-nationalisation of the railways
introduction of a Citizens Income
I look forward to reading his arguments in support of all of these, rather than his 2 topics of choice - Jeremy Corbyn and how useless Labour are on Brexit.
Good night!
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Lab Lords-Drawn vote - 222 to 222 - on our #WalesBill amendt re: public services' industrial relations & devolution. HoL rules means amendt falls
I thought it went to penalties?
I thought it went to penalties?
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That's disturbing. Is it precedented? Our ecosystem is messed up.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... ies-mating
Snow monkey attempts sex with deer in rare example of interspecies mating
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Brexit is the core issue though, Ian.
Among other things, it makes Robin Hood Tax much less a good idea.
Among other things, it makes Robin Hood Tax much less a good idea.
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Citizens Income is being "looked at" only, I think.
I give that less chance than there was of Foinavon winning the Le Mans 24 Hours.
I give that less chance than there was of Foinavon winning the Le Mans 24 Hours.
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Update
Mr citizen and I have talked it over and we're okay with this, as long as resources are equably shared amongst us all.citizenJA wrote:You all know a little about me - a pagan, Jesus-loving, communist (not a comprehensive list). I'd love to give the Cuba model
of communal work and study for all the people living together on an embargoed, relatively small land mass a go. There's a kind
of perfect beauty for the UK, a formerly successful colonising nation, retiring from the world stage into calm, sustenance
living. I gotta suspicion it's not what others wantand I probably don't really want it either.
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Corbyn praised for hating the EU by "UKIP voter". That just about sums it up.UKlPvoter
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@WelshIan
Thank you!
Have a good night.
Thank you!
Have a good night.
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‘Grow up!’ Tory Peer Launches Extraordinary Attack On His Own Party Over Social Care Funding
Lord Porter did not hold back in his words for the Government
‘Grow up!’ Tory Peer Launches Extraordinary Attack On His Own Party Over Social Care Funding
Lord Porter did not hold back in his words for the Government
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RIP Clare Hollingworth, aged 105.
Clare was the first to report the outbreak of the second world war
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Clare was the first to report the outbreak of the second world war
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Trump Moves To Challenge Vaccine Science
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who published a controversial book about the preservatives in vaccines being dangerous for children, will chair a commission on vaccine safety. Scientists reject his views
Trump Moves To Challenge Vaccine Science
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who published a controversial book about the preservatives in vaccines being dangerous for children, will chair a commission on vaccine safety. Scientists reject his views
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Evening folks,
Here's an interesting article about how and why the Guardian's (and Observer's) views on Jeremy *whomustnotbenamed* changed. Found it on twitter.
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Here's an interesting article about how and why the Guardian's (and Observer's) views on Jeremy *whomustnotbenamed* changed. Found it on twitter.
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For those of the health and /or Yorkshire persuasion. Have you come across Babylon Health? Heard a rumour of regarding 111 and Dr appts.
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slouching towards bethlehemHindleA wrote:https://www.buzzfeed.com/azeenghorayshi ... .soQ2mYk9Q
Trump Moves To Challenge Vaccine Science
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who published a controversial book about the preservatives in vaccines being dangerous for children, will chair a commission on vaccine safety. Scientists reject his views
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I've got to call it an early night, everyone.
I love you.
cJA
I love you.
cJA
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Cyprus reunification talks making slow progress
Negotiators grapple with detailed matters of property transfers and governance as issue of security guarantees looms large
Happened to live there for three years,leaving before the Turkish invasion.
Cyprus reunification talks making slow progress
Negotiators grapple with detailed matters of property transfers and governance as issue of security guarantees looms large
Happened to live there for three years,leaving before the Turkish invasion.
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Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn 3h3 hours ago
Under Labour, Britain will not buy outsourced public services from companies whose owners and executives are creaming off profits.
What does that mean?
Under Labour, Britain will not buy outsourced public services from companies whose owners and executives are creaming off profits.
What does that mean?
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No personal experience,have heard of them.
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Indy editorial
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It means he'd have a devil of a job finding privately owned companies to tender for govt contracts.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn 3h3 hours ago
Under Labour, Britain will not buy outsourced public services from companies whose owners and executives are creaming off profits.
What does that mean?
Bang go all those houses he wants building then
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Steve Bell on Jeremy Corbyn's maximum wage proposal
Steve Bell on Jeremy Corbyn's maximum wage proposal
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A Jez fan puts us straight.
Supporting the Southern Rail strikes? Well done, Jez, that's a winner. I suppose we're lucky he didn't support the strikes against Sadiq Khan, as his "Jeremy for PM" fanclub did.He did not unveil a plan for a maximum wage. I know you have no experience of hearing new ideas from politicians so your listening skills are a little rusty, but he expressed an interest in the idea of a maximum wage.
Hope that helped.
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SH can obviously vote for any party he likes, for any reason he likes but when you start urging people to vote for a particular party then you need to support that party on more than 1 issue, no matter how important that 1 issue is.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Brexit is the core issue though, Ian.
Among other things, it makes Robin Hood Tax much less a good idea.
To do otherwise would display an astonishing level of insincerity.
Citizen's Income was in the Green manifesto for the 2015 GE, just something that would not be implemented in that 1st parliament.
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Optimism for the Greens
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WelshIan wrote:SH can obviously vote for any party he likes, for any reason he likes but when you start urging people to vote for a particular party then you need to support that party on more than 1 issue, no matter how important that 1 issue is.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Brexit is the core issue though, Ian.
Among other things, it makes Robin Hood Tax much less a good idea.
To do otherwise would display an astonishing level of insincerity.
Citizen's Income was in the Green manifesto for the 2015 GE, just something that would not be implemented in that 1st parliament.
I also have certain issues with terrorism that, for me personally, mean that I can't vote for Labour with Corbyn and McDonnell in the leadership. That means the Greens.
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Thanks very much for this 55Degrees. It's the best takedown of the G on this I've read and I can point people to it who ask why I don't read that rag anymore.55DegreesNorth wrote:Evening folks,
Here's an interesting article about how and why the Guardian's (and Observer's) views on Jeremy *whomustnotbenamed* changed. Found it on twitter.
http://novaramedia.com/2017/01/08/how-t ... s-readers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What made the newspaper feel so claustrophobic was that most of these wrote essentially the same column, repeatedly. There was almost theological agreement around a shared article of faith.
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Public investment generally might be a problem. Or they could just outsource the low paid, if they haven't done that already.pk1 wrote:It means he'd have a devil of a job finding privately owned companies to tender for govt contracts.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Jeremy Corbyn MP @jeremycorbyn 3h3 hours ago
Under Labour, Britain will not buy outsourced public services from companies whose owners and executives are creaming off profits.
What does that mean?
Bang go all those houses he wants building then
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Hello Mr Pot, my name's Mr Kettle.What made the newspaper feel so claustrophobic was that most of these wrote essentially the same column, repeatedly. There was almost theological agreement around a shared article of faith.
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Apparently the contractors thing is illegal under EU law.
But hey, we're "repatriating" powers, so it's OK! That's well worth pissing the Single Market away for.
But hey, we're "repatriating" powers, so it's OK! That's well worth pissing the Single Market away for.
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55DegreesNorth wrote:Evening folks,
Here's an interesting article about how and why the Guardian's (and Observer's) views on Jeremy *whomustnotbenamed* changed. Found it on twitter.
http://novaramedia.com/2017/01/08/how-t ... s-readers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"As the organisation Media Lens...."
Ah.
The entire piece does seem to omit the fact that the concerns of those critical of the current leader do seem to have been vindicated.
The Graun has fed the views that led to Corbyn for years. If it wasn't so sad, there would be a certain amount of schadenfreude to be had at the expense of some of its more silly voice of the Blair, Brown and Miliband years.
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Yeah, it would violate procurement rules.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Apparently the contractors thing is illegal under EU law.
But hey, we're "repatriating" powers, so it's OK! That's well worth pissing the Single Market away for.
Lots of the rules for the proper functioning of markets are imposed at EU level. One of the reasons the current leader is a Lexiter.
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Huge Crossrail contractor, Costain Skanska, had the CEO earning £633k 8 years ago. That's a bit more than 20 times the lowest.
I'd venture the other contractors are much the same.
I'd rather we got the darned railway built efficiently, myself.
I'd venture the other contractors are much the same.
I'd rather we got the darned railway built efficiently, myself.
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So apart from being illegal, and barring firms we need to carry out enormous projects like Crossrail, it's a great idea?SpinningHugo wrote:Yeah, it would violate procurement rules.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Apparently the contractors thing is illegal under EU law.
But hey, we're "repatriating" powers, so it's OK! That's well worth pissing the Single Market away for.
Lots of the rules for the proper functioning of markets are imposed at EU level. One of the reasons the current leader is a Lexiter.
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Senate grills attorney general nominee Sessions on KKK, bigotry and 'lock her up'
Senate grills attorney general nominee Sessions on KKK, bigotry and 'lock her up'
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Centrelink drops flawed advice to welfare recipients to keep payslips for six months
Website now specifies no time limit for holding on to proof of earnings after government efforts to recover debts up to six years old
Centrelink drops flawed advice to welfare recipients to keep payslips for six months
Website now specifies no time limit for holding on to proof of earnings after government efforts to recover debts up to six years old
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Wrong link, goes to Guardian Jobs... (are you fed up of packing pies by any chance?)HindleA wrote:https://profile.theguardian.com/agree/G ... entId=jobs
Senate grills attorney general nominee Sessions on KKK, bigotry and 'lock her up'
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There are lessons to learn from the Centrelink data-matching fiasco
There are lessons to learn from the Centrelink data-matching fiasco
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CorrectionAngryAsWell wrote:Wrong link, goes to Guardian Jobs... (are you fed up of packing pies by any chance?)HindleA wrote:https://profile.theguardian.com/agree/G ... entId=jobs
Senate grills attorney general nominee Sessions on KKK, bigotry and 'lock her up'
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Trump and Brexit put global economic growth at risk, World Bank says
Trump and Brexit put global economic growth at risk, World Bank says
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Arlene Foster says she is open to Sinn Féin talks to save power sharing
Northern Ireland’s first minister willing to hold discussions after Martin McGuinness’s resignation over green energy scandal
Arlene Foster says she is open to Sinn Féin talks to save power sharing
Northern Ireland’s first minister willing to hold discussions after Martin McGuinness’s resignation over green energy scandal
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The UK was a much more compassionate country two decades ago than it is now, with the tone of public conversation “dragged horribly to the right” by divisive figures such as Nigel Farage, the writer of a new BBC drama inspired by PJ Harvey’s Kosovan notebooks has said.
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
Jury announced their decision that Roof should be executed after he was convicted last month of 33 federal charges, including murder and hate crimes
Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
Jury announced their decision that Roof should be executed after he was convicted last month of 33 federal charges, including murder and hate crimes
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WATCH: JEREMY HUNT DOES ACTUAL U-TURN AND RUNS AWAY FROM REPORTERS OVER NHS TARGETS
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Well done Beth for trying....
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Well done Beth for trying....
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However clumsy his manner, the Labour leader is right: pay at the top is an outrage
The minimum wage was once branded by the Conservatives as a job-destroyer. It wasn’t. The living wage took decades to attain the acceptance it enjoys today. There’s no reason pay ratios can’t do the same. But it will take time, well-ordered evidence and political strategy. Having got the ball rolling, Mr Corbyn should run with it.
However clumsy his manner, the Labour leader is right: pay at the top is an outrage
The minimum wage was once branded by the Conservatives as a job-destroyer. It wasn’t. The living wage took decades to attain the acceptance it enjoys today. There’s no reason pay ratios can’t do the same. But it will take time, well-ordered evidence and political strategy. Having got the ball rolling, Mr Corbyn should run with it.