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Tuesday 21st March 2017
Morning all.
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Spirits high this morning?
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Morning all.
I'm expecting plenty of IRA referencing on TV, radio and postings today. Not so much about the good Friday agreement, lots of Corbyn.
Anyway. Hope you all have a good day.
I'm expecting plenty of IRA referencing on TV, radio and postings today. Not so much about the good Friday agreement, lots of Corbyn.
Anyway. Hope you all have a good day.
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Here is a bit more from Colin Parry whose son Tim died in a IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993.
“I don’t forgive the IRA, nor does my wife, nor do my children,” he told the BBC. “But, setting aside forgiveness, the simple fact is I found Martin McGuinness an easy and pleasant man to talk to - a man who I believe was sincere in his desire for peace, for maintaining the peace process at all costs.
And I think he deserves great credit for his most recent life rather than more than his earlier life, for which I don’t think anything in his most recent life can atone.
That said, he was still a brave man, who put himself at some risk within some elements of his own community in Northern Ireland.”
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Morning.
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I'm going to donate my swear box to Comic Relief.
I'm going to donate my swear box to Comic Relief.
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Morning all. School today from morning 'til evening but will pop back late morning to see what's occurring.
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I'm going to donate my swear box to Comic Relief.
Shocked etc.The letter, which was also copied to the incoming chair of the BBC Board Sir David Clementi, did not include any specific examples.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Post-truth and propaganda
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Inflation on the move. Just in time for the April pay changes.
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Always in good spirits.
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Thanks for the info.HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-h ... nuary-2017
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Volume is dropping quite sharpish, new builds (help to buy?) the exception.
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Two differing reactions on the death of Martin McGuinness both from Andrew Sparrows blog.
Firstly Lord Tebbit
Lord Tebbit, the former Conservative party chairman whose wife Margaret was paralysed when the IRA bombed the Grand Hotel in Brighton during the Conservative party conference, and who was injured himself by the attack, has welcomed McGuinness’s death. He told the Press Association:
I’m just pleased that the world is a sweeter and cleaner place now.
He was not only a multi-murderer, he was a coward.
He knew that the IRA were defeated because British intelligence had penetrated right the way up to the army council and that the end was coming.
He then sought to save his own skin and he knew that it was likely he would be charged before long with several murders which he had personally committed and he decided that the only thing to do was to opt for peace.
He claimed to be a Roman Catholic.
I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he’ll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity.
Tebbit said he refused to forgive McGuinness for his terrorist past because “forgiveness requires confession of sins and repentance”.
“There was none of that,” Tebbit added
Now Colin Parry
Here is a bit more from Colin Parry whose son Tim died in a IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993.
“I don’t forgive the IRA, nor does my wife, nor do my children,” he told the BBC. “But, setting aside forgiveness, the simple fact is I found Martin McGuinness an easy and pleasant man to talk to – a man who I believe was sincere in his desire for peace, for maintaining the peace process at all costs.
“And I think he deserves great credit for his most recent life rather than more than his earlier life, for which I don’t think anything in his most recent life can atone.
That said, he was still a brave man, who put himself at some risk within some elements of his own community in Northern Ireland.”
Whatever your views on the Northern Ireland troubles (and I do not know enough about them to volunteer a comment) both had loved ones maimed and/or killed by the IRA so can understand the emotion in both statements.
What is interesting to me (and, for me, shows the paucity of quality of our current political class) is the differing reactions to McGuinness death.
One a dreadfully negative and self serving reaction which (in my view) only concentrates on the (admittedly unforgivable) actions of his paramilitary career and does nothing to recognise the positive influence and actions of later years. The other a wonderfully controlled mostly positive comment illustrating a personal hurt for which forgiveness is not offered but a recognition of McGuinness work for peace in his later life.
I am sure that Parry has, through his charity efforts since the loss of his son, in his own quiet and understated way achieved much more for peace and the goodwill of "common people" than an old warmonger like Tebbit has ever achieved in his sadly much publicised political career.
What a sour and bitter man Tebbit must be.
Firstly Lord Tebbit
Lord Tebbit, the former Conservative party chairman whose wife Margaret was paralysed when the IRA bombed the Grand Hotel in Brighton during the Conservative party conference, and who was injured himself by the attack, has welcomed McGuinness’s death. He told the Press Association:
I’m just pleased that the world is a sweeter and cleaner place now.
He was not only a multi-murderer, he was a coward.
He knew that the IRA were defeated because British intelligence had penetrated right the way up to the army council and that the end was coming.
He then sought to save his own skin and he knew that it was likely he would be charged before long with several murders which he had personally committed and he decided that the only thing to do was to opt for peace.
He claimed to be a Roman Catholic.
I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he’ll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity.
Tebbit said he refused to forgive McGuinness for his terrorist past because “forgiveness requires confession of sins and repentance”.
“There was none of that,” Tebbit added
Now Colin Parry
Here is a bit more from Colin Parry whose son Tim died in a IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993.
“I don’t forgive the IRA, nor does my wife, nor do my children,” he told the BBC. “But, setting aside forgiveness, the simple fact is I found Martin McGuinness an easy and pleasant man to talk to – a man who I believe was sincere in his desire for peace, for maintaining the peace process at all costs.
“And I think he deserves great credit for his most recent life rather than more than his earlier life, for which I don’t think anything in his most recent life can atone.
That said, he was still a brave man, who put himself at some risk within some elements of his own community in Northern Ireland.”
Whatever your views on the Northern Ireland troubles (and I do not know enough about them to volunteer a comment) both had loved ones maimed and/or killed by the IRA so can understand the emotion in both statements.
What is interesting to me (and, for me, shows the paucity of quality of our current political class) is the differing reactions to McGuinness death.
One a dreadfully negative and self serving reaction which (in my view) only concentrates on the (admittedly unforgivable) actions of his paramilitary career and does nothing to recognise the positive influence and actions of later years. The other a wonderfully controlled mostly positive comment illustrating a personal hurt for which forgiveness is not offered but a recognition of McGuinness work for peace in his later life.
I am sure that Parry has, through his charity efforts since the loss of his son, in his own quiet and understated way achieved much more for peace and the goodwill of "common people" than an old warmonger like Tebbit has ever achieved in his sadly much publicised political career.
What a sour and bitter man Tebbit must be.
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Good-morning, all
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So the Brexiteers are whining about the Beeb - what a huge shock.....
To my mind, they were all over every flipping channel, tainting opinions with their hot-headedness. I don't recall the Remainers getting the same coverage.
To my mind, they were all over every flipping channel, tainting opinions with their hot-headedness. I don't recall the Remainers getting the same coverage.
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If I didn't already do so, this tweet would make me utterly despise McCluskey. He's a contemptible creep.
If I didn't already do so, this tweet would make me utterly despise McCluskey. He's a contemptible creep.
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It reminds me of an old Steve Bell 'If...' cartoon - Women with fur coats, hats and shares in the defense industry for Cruise and Trident'pk1 wrote:So the Brexiteers are whining about the Beeb - what a huge shock.....
To my mind, they were all over every flipping channel, tainting opinions with their hot-headedness. I don't recall the Remainers getting the same coverage.
"people who don't like the remain campaign and can't see any reason for anyone to disagree with them upset about BBC sometimes presenting alternate point of view'
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Good of Galloway to put himself forward for the upcoming by-election. SMH.
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Pretty much sums up the rabid right's entire modus operandi with regard to representing the BBC as "lefty". Except that the BBC really has long since appeased them on that one.adam wrote:It reminds me of an old Steve Bell 'If...' cartoon - Women with fur coats, hats and shares in the defense industry for Cruise and Trident'pk1 wrote:So the Brexiteers are whining about the Beeb - what a huge shock.....
To my mind, they were all over every flipping channel, tainting opinions with their hot-headedness. I don't recall the Remainers getting the same coverage.
"people who don't like the remain campaign and can't see any reason for anyone to disagree with them upset about BBC sometimes presenting alternate point of view'
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Good morfternoon.
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George Galloway has confirmed he will stand in the Manchester Gorton byelection in an attempt to take votes from a divided local Labour party and re-enter parliament. (Guardian)
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Not exactly his strong suit either? He's rewritten the election timetable around propping up Corbyn.pk1 wrote:
If I didn't already do so, this tweet would make me utterly despise McCluskey. He's a contemptible creep.
But Coyne is a Kipper fool. I'd have to vote for the 3rd guy. Leftwing but defends freedom of movement.
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Get your priorities straight.
Vellum > Economic ruin
Get your priorities straight.
Vellum > Economic ruin
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Fuck off, George Galloway, you rape apologising chancer.
Hope you do as well as you did in London where you kept banging on about Zionism.
Hope you do as well as you did in London where you kept banging on about Zionism.
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Inflation 2.3%.
Bloody Project Fear.
Bloody Project Fear.
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Coyne is an absolutely terrible candidate, nonetheless.pk1 wrote:
If I didn't already do so, this tweet would make me utterly despise McCluskey. He's a contemptible creep.
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McCluskey on Watson, fairly fruity
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From an Evil Blairite perspective, there is a certain pleasure to seeing these two at each other's throats of course.
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From an Evil Blairite perspective, there is a certain pleasure to seeing these two at each other's throats of course.
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And I can cut even Lord Tebbit some slack on how he feels today, whilst also observing that others similarly tragically affected were ultimately able to forgive (if not forget)
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Housing Benefit – 94% not on the dole and other facts.
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Did you know the bedroom tax etc increased the HB bill by over £1bn?
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Did you know the bedroom tax etc increased the HB bill by over £1bn?
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As for Galloway, he was previously hinting he wouldn't stand if Labour picked a BAME candidate. As trustworthy as ever, then.
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Following on from yesterday about the FBI investigating Russia's role in the election - today's news says that this investigation was going on before the election - contemporaneous the investigation into Clinton's emails - but for some reason it was decided that it was necessary to publish the fact that Clinton's emails were being investigated, but not the Trump teams' connections with Russia.
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.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Coyne is an absolutely terrible candidate, nonetheless.pk1 wrote:
If I didn't already do so, this tweet would make me utterly despise McCluskey. He's a contemptible creep.
My comment has nothing to do with Coyne though. I cancelled my Unite membership in 2013 when McCluskey threatened to pull funding to the Labour party if Ed didn't do as McCluskey demanded.
I will not support nor give my hard-earned cash to any organisation headed up by a bully.
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Farage basically outsourced to Galloway the job of being Brexit's down with the Asians guy. A complete load of crap was spun about how Brexit would stop Asians being discriminated against with work visas.AnatolyKasparov wrote:As for Galloway, he was previously hinting he wouldn't stand if Labour picked a BAME candidate. As trustworthy as ever, then.
I hope Galloway gets a lot of Asian doors shut in his face.
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But but but neo-liberal Democrats lost because popular revolt against failed system.adam wrote:Following on from yesterday about the FBI investigating Russia's role in the election - today's news says that this investigation was going on before the election - contemporaneous the investigation into Clinton's emails - but for some reason it was decided that it was necessary to publish the fact that Clinton's emails were being investigated, but not the Trump teams' connections with Russia.
Looks increasingly like the FBI mucked up and treated the Democrats incredibly unfairly. That and a freakish electoral system where they lost with 2.9m more votes.
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I hope Galloway's treatment of Sadiq Khan gets chucked in face too.
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Its pretty much certain these are the same usual suspects/hypocrites who would have lined up behind Osborne yesterday to contend that it was perfectly OK for a conservative MP espouse his own slanted view of the world in a right wing propaganda rag. I wonder what their view would have been if this had related to an MP of any other party.(you don't have to answer that!) This in a time of the merging of opinion and fact in newspapers as well as the usual "post truths" and "fake news"NonOxCol wrote:Pretty much sums up the rabid right's entire modus operandi with regard to representing the BBC as "lefty". Except that the BBC really has long since appeased them on that one.adam wrote:It reminds me of an old Steve Bell 'If...' cartoon - Women with fur coats, hats and shares in the defense industry for Cruise and Trident'pk1 wrote:So the Brexiteers are whining about the Beeb - what a huge shock.....
To my mind, they were all over every flipping channel, tainting opinions with their hot-headedness. I don't recall the Remainers getting the same coverage.
"people who don't like the remain campaign and can't see any reason for anyone to disagree with them upset about BBC sometimes presenting alternate point of view'
On Kate Hoey WTF!! How did she ever get to be a member of the Labour party?
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Fact is that HRC still lost to an orange painted crypto-fascist clown. She should have buried him in the way LBJ did Goldwater in 1964.Tubby Isaacs wrote:But but but neo-liberal Democrats lost because popular revolt against failed system.adam wrote:Following on from yesterday about the FBI investigating Russia's role in the election - today's news says that this investigation was going on before the election - contemporaneous the investigation into Clinton's emails - but for some reason it was decided that it was necessary to publish the fact that Clinton's emails were being investigated, but not the Trump teams' connections with Russia.
Looks increasingly like the FBI mucked up and treated the Democrats incredibly unfairly. That and a freakish electoral system where they lost with 2.9m more votes.
All else is excuses.
(which is not denying that Comey in particular behaved pretty outrageously)
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@GetYou the costs of the bedroom tax are incalcuable,vast amounts in legal fees,cost saving arrangements foregone etc.No money spared in the pursuit of misanthropy.
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Christ, look at this shite. Trump ran on a "left of centre" platform, and "the Israel Lobby" are unhappy with Trump, says Galloway.
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Because she *was* left wing once - actually appeared on that infamous "101 Damnations" list during the 1987 GE campaign.ScarletGas wrote: On Kate Hoey WTF!! How did she ever get to be a member of the Labour party?
And going back even before that, a genuine Trot (who actually favoured a united Ireland!!)
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And Labour supporters surely want it far less than average. What's Corbyn waiting for? He should have done his own polling of this, instead of polling what people think of Rebecca Long-Bailey.Fresh polling shows Britain doesn't want a hard Brexit
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Galloway. Nuff said.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Christ, look at this shite. Trump ran on a "left of centre" platform, and "the Israel Lobby" are unhappy with Trump.
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Don't parties poll all the time on a number of topics? Ditto focus groups? Try out lines, phrases, attempt to detect trends in public opinion to specific topics?Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... ard-brexit
And Labour supporters surely want it far less than average. What's Corbyn waiting for? He should have done his own polling of this, instead of polling what people think of Rebecca Long-Bailey.Fresh polling shows Britain doesn't want a hard Brexit
Is this approach old hat, never taken, too expensive etc?
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I agree with that. Joe Biden would have won by a mile.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Fact is that HRC still lost to an orange painted crypto-fascist clown. She should have buried him in the way LBJ did Goldwater in 1964.Tubby Isaacs wrote:But but but neo-liberal Democrats lost because popular revolt against failed system.adam wrote:Following on from yesterday about the FBI investigating Russia's role in the election - today's news says that this investigation was going on before the election - contemporaneous the investigation into Clinton's emails - but for some reason it was decided that it was necessary to publish the fact that Clinton's emails were being investigated, but not the Trump teams' connections with Russia.
Looks increasingly like the FBI mucked up and treated the Democrats incredibly unfairly. That and a freakish electoral system where they lost with 2.9m more votes.
All else is excuses.
(which is not denying that Comey in particular behaved pretty outrageously)
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I'm sure they do. Labour ought to be picking this stuff up before it happens.StephenDolan wrote:Don't parties poll all the time on a number of topics? Ditto focus groups? Try out lines, phrases, attempt to detect trends in public opinion to specific topics?Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... ard-brexit
And Labour supporters surely want it far less than average. What's Corbyn waiting for? He should have done his own polling of this, instead of polling what people think of Rebecca Long-Bailey.Fresh polling shows Britain doesn't want a hard Brexit
Is this approach old hat, never taken, too expensive etc?
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It isn't too late, by any means, but as others have been saying today, he doesn't seem to have got non-tariff barriers properly.
Soft Brexit (you can argue it with an immigration brake too, if you want to cover that flank) joins everything up- the economy, Scotland, UK's dented public image.
Lots of (pre 2015) will have voted for Corbyn as a break from sterile Spads. He's done some good on that front, but as David Blanchflower said, if you come from there, you've got to learn fast, and he isn't.
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Oh dear. Mr Bannon could be in trouble.Palmer Report @PalmerReport 2h2 hours ago
FBI now investigating Breitbart and InfoWars as part of its probe into Donald Trump and Russi
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It's a sad reflection on both our media and our politicians that people actually think this possible in any meaningful sense.
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Thanks for the information.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Because she *was* left wing once - actually appeared on that infamous "101 Damnations" list during the 1987 GE campaign.ScarletGas wrote: On Kate Hoey WTF!! How did she ever get to be a member of the Labour party?
And going back even before that, a genuine Trot (who actually favoured a united Ireland!!)
I can only say that is a very long (and in my view totally illogical) journey from where she was to where she is today!
Still as they say each to their own.
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Sturgeon apparently trying to misrepresent the Barnett Formula as money Scotland sends and gets back yesterday.
I'll believe the high opinion Scottish Nationalism has of itself once its leader stops lying to increase hostility to the UK.
I'll believe the high opinion Scottish Nationalism has of itself once its leader stops lying to increase hostility to the UK.