Let's hope media attention on the council ensures they step up with temporary accommodation followed swiftly by permanent accommodation for all those affected, regardless of minimum legal requirements.PorFavor wrote:There's a man (who, along with his family, has lost his home and all his possessions) being interviewed on the BBC News. He's saying that he's reluctant (or even totalling unwilling) to accept kind offers of temporary accommodation because he'll be putting himself at the back of the queue (or even not in the queue at all) for rehousing. How right he is, and how I sympathise with his awful dilemma.
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Yes, many if not most residents will be rehoused a long way from K&C.PorFavor wrote:There's a man (who, along with his family, has lost his home and all his possessions) being interviewed on the BBC News. He's saying that he's reluctant (or even totalling unwilling) to accept kind offers of temporary accommodation because he'll be putting himself at the back of the queue (or even not in the queue at all) for rehousing. How right he is, and how I sympathise with his awful dilemma.
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Meanwhile DUP and govt talks continue, understand Treasury now looking thro the financial implications
This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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Candy Crush, guffawing landlords and the filibustering of Philip Davies.
Candy Crush, guffawing landlords and the filibustering of Philip Davies.
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Google isn't being very forthcoming on this! I think as long as the DUP are indicating they are still negotiating, May can keep stringing it out. If the DUP announce they are walking away, I think she would have no choice but to resign. It's not especially clear though.AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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Meanwhile DUP and govt talks continue, understand Treasury now looking thro the financial implications
This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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Gordon Brown did do a bit of this in 2010 didn't he?Willow904 wrote:Google isn't being very forthcoming on this! I think as long as the DUP are indicating they are still negotiating, May can keep stringing it out. If the DUP announce they are walking away, I think she would have no choice but to resign. It's not especially clear though.AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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Meanwhile DUP and govt talks continue, understand Treasury now looking thro the financial implications
This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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Tamper with Google?
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In a way yes, but he was having genuine negotiations to form coalition government, not looking to spend our money to buy power.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gordon Brown did do a bit of this in 2010 didn't he?Willow904 wrote:Google isn't being very forthcoming on this! I think as long as the DUP are indicating they are still negotiating, May can keep stringing it out. If the DUP announce they are walking away, I think she would have no choice but to resign. It's not especially clear though.AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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Sure - I'm not passing any judgements here - just looking for precedent. Heath in Feb 1974 is probably more relevant.AngryAsWell wrote: In a way yes, but he was having genuine negotiations to form coalition government, not looking to spend our money to buy power.
HopefullyHeath did not resign immediately as Prime Minister. Assuming that Northern Ireland's Unionist MPs could be persuaded to support a Conservative government on confidence matters over one led by Wilson, he entered into negotiations with Thorpe to form a coalition government. Thorpe, never enthusiastic about supporting the Conservatives, demanded major electoral reforms in exchange for such an agreement. Unwilling to accept such terms, Heath resigned and Wilson returned for his second spell as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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Wilson had the most seats then, though. I think the chances that May will stagger on for a while are pretty good, unfortunately.
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Because there will be people trying to deflect.
Because there will be people trying to deflect.
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It would be bloody hilarious if the coalition of chaos talks broke down over cancellation of the BBC licence fee.
Now why wouldn't May want to compromise on that one?
Now why wouldn't May want to compromise on that one?
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Yes, of course, but he only went to the Queen (in this case to ask permission to resign) once he had talked to possible parties and sounded out whether he could form a government. Likewise David Cameron - he only went to see the Queen once he'd completed negotiations and was ready to form a government. Theresa May has already gone to the Queen to ask to form a government, before she's in the position to form one. It doesn't make much difference in practical terms, but in respect to tradition and protocol she's made a right pig's ear of it. The Queen will not be amused.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gordon Brown did do a bit of this in 2010 didn't he?Willow904 wrote:Google isn't being very forthcoming on this! I think as long as the DUP are indicating they are still negotiating, May can keep stringing it out. If the DUP announce they are walking away, I think she would have no choice but to resign. It's not especially clear though.AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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Meanwhile DUP and govt talks continue, understand Treasury now looking thro the financial implications
This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
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Anger as OCR exam board makes third mistake this summer – this time in biology A-level
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From the G:
Baird, who advises seven major housing groups on fire safety, said the principles of the policy are based on flats that contain a fire for at least 60 minutes, sometimes up to three hours, before the fire service arrives.
However, he said this “60 minute box” principle goes out of the window if major refurbishment works have introduced defects.
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Pig's ear indeed!Willow904 wrote:Yes, of course, but he only went to the Queen (in this case to ask permission to resign) once he had talked to possible parties and sounded out whether he could form a government. Likewise David Cameron - he only went to see the Queen once he'd completed negotiations and was ready to form a government. Theresa May has already gone to the Queen to ask to form a government, before she's in the position to form one. It doesn't make much difference in practical terms, but in respect to tradition and protocol she's made a right pig's ear of it. The Queen will not be amused.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gordon Brown did do a bit of this in 2010 didn't he?
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Isn't that almost like presenting an otherwise blank sheet of paper with just the question number at the top, and the word "Discuss" printed at the bottom?AngryAsWell wrote:Anger as OCR exam board makes third mistake this summer – this time in biology A-level
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The BBC is now speaking irresponsibly and darkly (re Grenfell House) in terms of "whether accident or something more sinister" (they don't elaborate) whilst showing pictures of obviously Muslim women from the area. What can they possibly be trying to insinuate?
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And (more sinister as the BBC would say)
Why and at whose behest? The correspondent should be reined in. Now. (And I speak as someone who really has no truck with any organised religion.)
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And (more sinister as the BBC would say)
Why and at whose behest? The correspondent should be reined in. Now. (And I speak as someone who really has no truck with any organised religion.)
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Lib Dem home affairs spokesman Brian Paddick resigns over disagreement with Farron
Brian Paddick, the Lib Dem peer and former police commander, has resigned as his party’s home affairs spokesman. Paddick has posted a tweet saying he is quitting over some of Tim Farron’s “views” that were highlighted during the election. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Vote Leave campaigner and Tory donor behind Parents and Teachers for Excellence campaign
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The yahoo news feed has a story about how it was local muslims who were the first to the scene to help.PorFavor wrote:The BBC is now speaking irresponsibly and darkly (re Grenfell House) in terms of "whether accident or something more sinister" (they don't elaborate) whilst showing pictures of obviously Muslim women from the area. What can they possibly be trying to insinuate?
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And (more sinister as the BBC would say)
Why and at whose behest? The correspondent should be reined in. Now. (And I speak as someone who really has no truck with any organised religion.)
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AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
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Meanwhile DUP and govt talks continue, understand Treasury now looking thro the financial implications
This can't go on! anyone any idea how long May has to form a government before she has to admit its not working?
I don't think she needs a deal. If she just put forward a QS I'd be amazed if the DUP opposed. They have issues with Corbyn and McDonnell.
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Sky news had an interview with one of the residents this morning who said he had been woken by his neighbour hammering on his door telling him his fridge had exploded & that the flats were on fire & they needed to get out. Assuming that is true, there's no need for anyone to be claiming it to be 'sinister' but we'll all find out in the fullness of time.PorFavor wrote:The BBC is now speaking irresponsibly and darkly (re Grenfell House) in terms of "whether accident or something more sinister" (they don't elaborate) whilst showing pictures of obviously Muslim women from the area. What can they possibly be trying to insinuate?
Edited to add
And (more sinister as the BBC would say)
Why and at whose behest? The correspondent should be reined in. Now. (And I speak as someone who really has no truck with any organised religion.)
Those poor poor people
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@PF I can go back,are you watching BBC News Channel and post just after,so I can try and find it?
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It's on BBC News 24. It's a relatively newly-added bit of commentary (male voice - but not Welsh and not a choir). It cropped up for the first time in the last hour or so but it's now on the inevitable "loop".HindleA wrote:@PF I can go back,are you watching BBC News Channel and post just after,so I can try and find it?
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The republicans have cancelled a vote in congress to lighten up regulations on the sale and use of silencers on firearms after a republican congressman was shot this morning. (He is apparently going to be fine, so I can say 'oh the irony' without being too horribly uncaring and exploitative).
I still believe in a town called Hope
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Tom Burridge (sp? around 15.14\15). It was just on.
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More appointments
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Process times for PIP moving back up,now twice as long as last October.
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Article from April
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Chesterfield and Bassetlaw both pull out of "Sheffield City Region devolution" attempts/deal.
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Bloody hell!HindleA wrote:Article from April
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Labour Press
If correct, this is potentially another stunning U-turn from a weak and wobbly Prime Minister - Rebecca Long-Bailey
Rebecca Long-Bailey MP, Labour’s Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, responding to news that senior Conservatives are urging a u-turn on their energy price cap manifesto promise, said:
Labour Press
If correct, this is potentially another stunning U-turn from a weak and wobbly Prime Minister - Rebecca Long-Bailey
Rebecca Long-Bailey MP, Labour’s Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, responding to news that senior Conservatives are urging a u-turn on their energy price cap manifesto promise, said:
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There was a buildings officer (or whatever) explaining why central alarms are not fitted in residential tower blocks. Seemed like convincing reasons to me (provided the "containment" bit works - which it obviously didn't in this case). So, of course, to have fitted an alarm in Grenfell Tower would have been an admission that they knew the "containment" measures were faulty!HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw
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...and a new low is reached.
Britain First Provoke Muslims Helping Grenfell Fire Families Outside East London Mosque
The mosque is helping those affected by the fire.
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Britain First Provoke Muslims Helping Grenfell Fire Families Outside East London Mosque
The mosque is helping those affected by the fire.
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Update at about 5.
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Sometimes I don't know how people control their anger.
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Half expected him to be claiming he was overseeing response.
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Unseemly haste, I know. But I hope that Labour is getting lined up to oppose any attempt to ship out those rendered homeless.
(Also - any news on the "people-registered-to-vote-but-turned-away-from-polling-stations" thing? Some voters might not bother next time, if these people are forgotten (or assumed to be forgotten).)
(Also - any news on the "people-registered-to-vote-but-turned-away-from-polling-stations" thing? Some voters might not bother next time, if these people are forgotten (or assumed to be forgotten).)
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From the G:
Disturbing echoes of Aberfan. I really hope it turns out not to be on that scale. But the arrogant dismissal of concerns feels horribly familiar. Dark days.Residents at the block were so concerned about fire safety after the recent refurbishment works in March that they requested an independent fire safety assessor to come in to review the safety of the building, but their request was rejected, the Labour councillor responsible for the block said.
She said tenants were concerned about the fire risk during and after recent refurbishment works and repeatedly raised their concerns with her.
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Willow904 wrote:From the G:
Disturbing echoes of Aberfan. I really hope it turns out not to be on that scale. But the arrogant dismissal of concerns feels horribly familiar. Dark days.Residents at the block were so concerned about fire safety after the recent refurbishment works in March that they requested an independent fire safety assessor to come in to review the safety of the building, but their request was rejected, the Labour councillor responsible for the block said.
She said tenants were concerned about the fire risk during and after recent refurbishment works and repeatedly raised their concerns with her.
Much stronger echoes with the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
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As above re controlling anger:
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I'm tempted to say that no other developed country in the world would allow him near power. However, last November put paid to that.
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Higher education funding in England
Published Wednesday, June 14, 2017
Higher education underwent fundamental changes to how it was financed in England 2012 and there have been ongoing, albeit smaller, changes since then.
How has this affected the balance between the broad sources of funding - the taxpayer and graduate and how has the total funding from al sources for universities changed?
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NHS Expenditure
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NHS Expenditure by Rachael Harker.
Documents NHS expenditure since 1948; summary of the structure of the NHS and how it is financed.
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Freedom of information requests
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This Library Briefing Paper gives an overview of freedom of information requests.
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Published Wednesday, June 14, 2017
Higher education underwent fundamental changes to how it was financed in England 2012 and there have been ongoing, albeit smaller, changes since then.
How has this affected the balance between the broad sources of funding - the taxpayer and graduate and how has the total funding from al sources for universities changed?
Jump to full report >> http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7973
NHS Expenditure
Published Wednesday, June 14, 2017
NHS Expenditure by Rachael Harker.
Documents NHS expenditure since 1948; summary of the structure of the NHS and how it is financed.
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Freedom of information requests
Published Wednesday, June 14, 2017
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I'm still trying to figure out our energy statementHindleA wrote:http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1618154 ... r-stunning
Labour Press
If correct, this is potentially another stunning U-turn from a weak and wobbly Prime Minister - Rebecca Long-Bailey
Rebecca Long-Bailey MP, Labour’s Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, responding to news that senior Conservatives are urging a u-turn on their energy price cap manifesto promise, said:
So is Mr citizen
The last country I lived in, we used the energy first then given notice of our account debit for the month
I'm not happy about an entire years' worth of estimated energy costs I've not used yet is sitting in a EnergyRUS account
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... wer-blocksArchitect Sam Webb says breaches of fire safety standards in UK are common and lessons from Lakanal House have not been learned
“I really don’t think the building industry understands how fire behaves in buildings and how dangerous it can be. The government’s mania for deregulation means our current safety standards just aren’t good enough.” (Guardian - my emphasis)