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Wednesday 28th June 2017
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A belated thanks to TC2 for picture of ironing on top of shed,it was spookily like the "real thing",though flat roof made it easier.
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Figures from 72 councils show more than 12,000 properties have been sold off since 2014 but only 4,309 have been built (Guardian)
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Busy day today - into the local library early and hope to solve a couple of mysteries, and then back to a meeting at school this evening.
Dan Hannan in "posting misleading statement and then deleting when getting found out without saying he was wrong" non-shocker.
This one was about rights of EU citizens after Brexit.
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Busy day today - into the local library early and hope to solve a couple of mysteries, and then back to a meeting at school this evening.
Dan Hannan in "posting misleading statement and then deleting when getting found out without saying he was wrong" non-shocker.
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If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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Nearly Legal -Giles Peaker doing sterling work in pointing out Lord Chancellor's "misunderstandings" re.legal aid eligibility for tenants.
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When capturing the middle ground works or fails
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Edited to add : see HindleA above for even more editing fun and confusion!Labour is demanding to know how many schools, hospitals and other buildings have been assessed for fire safety in the wake of the Grenfell Tower blaze.
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Full NCSR report.
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11 AM CPS decision announced.
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50 years since first ATM.
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Families now,public at about 11.30
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Morning.
My absolute lowest expectation of any Labour government would be better than this.
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Imagine the uproar if this was happening under a Labour government.
And that's before we've even had the first wave of results. I suspect they're going to be all over the place. My son's school has just had a last minute change to the curriculum which will see some GCSE courses starting in year 9 instead of the usual year 10. I hope it's a prudent, carefully considered decision (and I'm certainly willing to support it, as there does seem to be some evidence it can reduce stress in students) but it does smack a little bit of outright panic, I have to say.
Complete shambles.There are warnings of confusion over university admissions from changes to GCSE exams in England which will create two different pass grades.
A number of universities have minimum entry grades at GCSE level - such as a C grade pass at maths and English.
But GCSEs are switching to numerical grades, from 9 to 1, and there is uncertainty because both 4 and 5 are officially classed as pass grades.
Universities are now setting different "pass" grade equivalents.
University College London says a C grade pass now requires a grade 5, while Manchester University has set the benchmark at grade 4.
Imagine the uproar if this was happening under a Labour government.
And that's before we've even had the first wave of results. I suspect they're going to be all over the place. My son's school has just had a last minute change to the curriculum which will see some GCSE courses starting in year 9 instead of the usual year 10. I hope it's a prudent, carefully considered decision (and I'm certainly willing to support it, as there does seem to be some evidence it can reduce stress in students) but it does smack a little bit of outright panic, I have to say.
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The absolute lowest expectation of a TORY government should be better than this. Should.NonOxCol wrote:Morning.
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Indeed.
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Ex-Ch Supt David Duckenfield faces Hillsborough manslaughter charge
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I hate starting GCSE in year 9 with a passion. I have only ever seen it done as a way of drilling exam technique and questions for three years to impact results and tables - not for any educational value beyond that. By the end of three years the kids are completely sick of the same thing over and over again. History is a particular offfender, as many Heads of Department can now adapt the curriculum, so nearly a 1000 years of history is rushed through in Year 7 and 8, and then they spend from Year 9 onwards studying the nazis. They do the nazis for GCSE, and then the poor suckers get more of the Nazis at AS and A level. Its a nonsense, but a symptom of the league tables fetish.Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40418457
Complete shambles.There are warnings of confusion over university admissions from changes to GCSE exams in England which will create two different pass grades.
A number of universities have minimum entry grades at GCSE level - such as a C grade pass at maths and English.
But GCSEs are switching to numerical grades, from 9 to 1, and there is uncertainty because both 4 and 5 are officially classed as pass grades.
Universities are now setting different "pass" grade equivalents.
University College London says a C grade pass now requires a grade 5, while Manchester University has set the benchmark at grade 4.
Imagine the uproar if this was happening under a Labour government.
And that's before we've even had the first wave of results. I suspect they're going to be all over the place. My son's school has just had a last minute change to the curriculum which will see some GCSE courses starting in year 9 instead of the usual year 10. I hope it's a prudent, carefully considered decision (and I'm certainly willing to support it, as there does seem to be some evidence it can reduce stress in students) but it does smack a little bit of outright panic, I have to say.
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It works OK in Science, and is the norm in all the schools round here. Perhaps the curriculum is more of a spiral than history, allowing revisiting of topics but with more advanced concepts (same in Maths).Temulkar wrote:I hate starting GCSE in year 9 with a passion. I have only ever seen it done as a way of drilling exam technique and questions for three years to impact results and tables - not for any educational value beyond that. By the end of three years the kids are completely sick of the same thing over and over again. History is a particular offfender, as many Heads of Department can now adapt the curriculum, so nearly a 1000 years of history is rushed through in Year 7 and 8, and then they spend from Year 9 onwards studying the nazis. They do the nazis for GCSE, and then the poor suckers get more of the Nazis at AS and A level. Its a nonsense, but a symptom of the league tables fetish.Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40418457
Complete shambles.There are warnings of confusion over university admissions from changes to GCSE exams in England which will create two different pass grades.
A number of universities have minimum entry grades at GCSE level - such as a C grade pass at maths and English.
But GCSEs are switching to numerical grades, from 9 to 1, and there is uncertainty because both 4 and 5 are officially classed as pass grades.
Universities are now setting different "pass" grade equivalents.
University College London says a C grade pass now requires a grade 5, while Manchester University has set the benchmark at grade 4.
Imagine the uproar if this was happening under a Labour government.
And that's before we've even had the first wave of results. I suspect they're going to be all over the place. My son's school has just had a last minute change to the curriculum which will see some GCSE courses starting in year 9 instead of the usual year 10. I hope it's a prudent, carefully considered decision (and I'm certainly willing to support it, as there does seem to be some evidence it can reduce stress in students) but it does smack a little bit of outright panic, I have to say.
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Its only taken 28 years - will those affected by the Grenfell horror have to wait that long?HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rs-charged
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I think my son's school does normally start building towards GCSE in science and maths in year 9, in a non formal way. Certainly you need to be in the right group in year 9 if you want to go on to study triple science. The last minute change, which I suspect to be a panic move, is in English with an announcement that the GCSE literature texts will be studied from the beginning of year 9 in a formal manner. Which does sound pretty dull, but then they have to learn whole sections by rote and regurgitate them in the exam now, so dullness seems to be built in by design. I really do pity this year's GCSE cohort. Although the first year of GCSEs that I took in 1988 was equally chaotic, at least the courses were interesting and the reasons for the change from 'O' levels made sense and seemed positive. This shambles seems both punitive and pointless. I'm grateful that these exams at least won't be new and untried when my children take them, but it's still a shame they've had to experience education under the Tories. Their primary school experience has been absolutely excellent, but it's starting to feel like everything's heading downhill from here on in.55DegreesNorth wrote:It works OK in Science, and is the norm in all the schools round here. Perhaps the curriculum is more of a spiral than history, allowing revisiting of topics but with more advanced concepts (same in Maths).Temulkar wrote:
I hate starting GCSE in year 9 with a passion. I have only ever seen it done as a way of drilling exam technique and questions for three years to impact results and tables - not for any educational value beyond that. By the end of three years the kids are completely sick of the same thing over and over again. History is a particular offfender, as many Heads of Department can now adapt the curriculum, so nearly a 1000 years of history is rushed through in Year 7 and 8, and then they spend from Year 9 onwards studying the nazis. They do the nazis for GCSE, and then the poor suckers get more of the Nazis at AS and A level. Its a nonsense, but a symptom of the league tables fetish.
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Better trade deals with those countries as a UK democracy than Tory dictatorship rule of the UK.
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One thing we've been told is that this year 'average' Y11 student will sit about 16 hours of exams which will assess about 50% of their courses, and this years 'average' Y9 student in two years will have to sit about 33 hours of exams will which will assess about 85% of their courses.Willow904 wrote:I think my son's school does normally start building towards GCSE in science and maths in year 9, in a non formal way. Certainly you need to be in the right group in year 9 if you want to go on to study triple science. The last minute change, which I suspect to be a panic move, is in English with an announcement that the GCSE literature texts will be studied from the beginning of year 9 in a formal manner. Which does sound pretty dull, but then they have to learn whole sections by rote and regurgitate them in the exam now, so dullness seems to be built in by design. I really do pity this year's GCSE cohort. Although the first year of GCSEs that I took in 1988 was equally chaotic, at least the courses were interesting and the reasons for the change from 'O' levels made sense and seemed positive. This shambles seems both punitive and pointless. I'm grateful that these exams at least won't be new and untried when my children take them, but it's still a shame they've had to experience education under the Tories. Their primary school experience has been absolutely excellent, but it's starting to feel like everything's heading downhill from here on in.
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I'm referring to the Guardian's Politics live blog linked below. It gets worse. Desperate stuff from Tories.citizenJA wrote:Better trade deals with those countries as a UK democracy than Tory dictatorship rule of the UK.
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Oliver Letwin says thisOliver Letwin: government must look at tax rises for sake of public services
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Just read the latest regarding Venezuela's political struggles. I don't like Tories having brought up Venezuela into the conversation during PMQs today.citizenJA wrote:I'm referring to the Guardian's Politics live blog linked below. It gets worse. Desperate stuff from Tories.citizenJA wrote:Better trade deals with those countries as a UK democracy than Tory dictatorship rule of the UK.
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Makes me uneasy. Cognitive dissonance and that. Tories have lost their majority, they've been thrown off their course and don't have the mandate Theresa May asked for in the GE.
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Yes, I did discover that the new maths and English exams this year are all exam based. No more coursework. So no longer really GCSEs. Back to memory tests like the old "O" levels. I only became aware of this because I was googling for information about the new exams. I don't know how widely this significant change has been trailed. Has anyone noticed much discussion of this in the media? I may have just missed it.adam wrote:One thing we've been told is that this year 'average' Y11 student will sit about 16 hours of exams which will assess about 50% of their courses, and this years 'average' Y9 student in two years will have to sit about 33 hours of exams will which will assess about 85% of their courses.Willow904 wrote:I think my son's school does normally start building towards GCSE in science and maths in year 9, in a non formal way. Certainly you need to be in the right group in year 9 if you want to go on to study triple science. The last minute change, which I suspect to be a panic move, is in English with an announcement that the GCSE literature texts will be studied from the beginning of year 9 in a formal manner. Which does sound pretty dull, but then they have to learn whole sections by rote and regurgitate them in the exam now, so dullness seems to be built in by design. I really do pity this year's GCSE cohort. Although the first year of GCSEs that I took in 1988 was equally chaotic, at least the courses were interesting and the reasons for the change from 'O' levels made sense and seemed positive. This shambles seems both punitive and pointless. I'm grateful that these exams at least won't be new and untried when my children take them, but it's still a shame they've had to experience education under the Tories. Their primary school experience has been absolutely excellent, but it's starting to feel like everything's heading downhill from here on in.
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This is also true of new A Levels - a few have fought tooth and nail to retain some kind of coursework - maybe 20% of total assessment - but most have lost it all - and even Level 3 Vocational subjects - BTECs and so on - now have around 50% compulsory exam units.Willow904 wrote:Yes, I did discover that the new maths and English exams this year are all exam based. No more coursework. So no longer really GCSEs. Back to memory tests like the old "O" levels. I only became aware of this because I was googling for information about the new exams. I don't know how widely this significant change has been trailed. Has anyone noticed much discussion of this in the media? I may have just missed it.adam wrote:One thing we've been told is that this year 'average' Y11 student will sit about 16 hours of exams which will assess about 50% of their courses, and this years 'average' Y9 student in two years will have to sit about 33 hours of exams will which will assess about 85% of their courses.Willow904 wrote:I think my son's school does normally start building towards GCSE in science and maths in year 9, in a non formal way. Certainly you need to be in the right group in year 9 if you want to go on to study triple science. The last minute change, which I suspect to be a panic move, is in English with an announcement that the GCSE literature texts will be studied from the beginning of year 9 in a formal manner. Which does sound pretty dull, but then they have to learn whole sections by rote and regurgitate them in the exam now, so dullness seems to be built in by design. I really do pity this year's GCSE cohort. Although the first year of GCSEs that I took in 1988 was equally chaotic, at least the courses were interesting and the reasons for the change from 'O' levels made sense and seemed positive. This shambles seems both punitive and pointless. I'm grateful that these exams at least won't be new and untried when my children take them, but it's still a shame they've had to experience education under the Tories. Their primary school experience has been absolutely excellent, but it's starting to feel like everything's heading downhill from here on in.
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History is different to science/maths. Advanced skills and concepts can be taught using any period without revisiting them. Indeed, there is no real need other than political for kids to study any specific period or nation's history to learn the skills and concepts, any one will do so to speak. That's what makes the Hitler dominance so counterproductive. Similar in English Lit, the same texts, and extracts for three years just doing a different level of analysis. It's soul destroying to teach, if you have a passion for your subject, and evaporates kids enthusiasm. It's just turning them into exam robots.
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Grayling being a total shit on wato. Local government decide over sprinklers, not central government.
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That is his default state.StephenDolan wrote:Grayling being a total shit
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It does feel like a backwards step. The very first History GCSE had a source material element for the very first time, where the point was that students were to be taught how to handle source material which would only be first seen in the exam. Given that I went on to study history at degree level and one of my papers in the final exam was a source material paper in a very similar vein, looking back, that first history GCSE was a very good preparation for studying at a higher level. Do we know how much input the government has had from universities when devising their new GCSEs and "A" levels? Certainly studying the same periods over and over for 3 years doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would have been beneficial to me when studying history at a higher level, but what do I know compared to the superior Mr Gove.Temulkar wrote:History is different to science/maths. Advanced skills and concepts can be taught using any period without revisiting them. Indeed, there is no real need other than political for kids to study any specific period or nation's history to learn the skills and concepts, any one will do so to speak. That's what makes the Hitler dominance so counterproductive. Similar in English Lit, the same texts, and extracts for three years just doing a different level of analysis. It's soul destroying to teach, if you have a passion for your subject, and evaporates kids enthusiasm. It's just turning them into exam robots.
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Leftie BBC...
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Wrexham MP Ian Lucas trolls May with Q on police cuts - she visited his constituency trying to swipe the seat during the campaign
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Wrexham MP Ian Lucas trolls May with Q on police cuts - she visited his constituency trying to swipe the seat during the campaign
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Game?Guardian Politics Blog
The Conservative MP Johnny Mercer says he wants to lift the public sector pay cap.
But he says he won’t be voting with Labour tonight.
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I will persistently be a loud voice to remove public sector pay cap for frontline workers. But will not vote with this political game today.
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Ephemerid formerly of these parts was lucid on this JA!citizenJA wrote:Game?Guardian Politics Blog
The Conservative MP Johnny Mercer says he wants to lift the public sector pay cap.
But he says he won’t be voting with Labour tonight.
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I will persistently be a loud voice to remove public sector pay cap for frontline workers. But will not vote with this political game today.
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So there’s to be a vote tonight on a Labour amendment to end the cap on public sector pay.
The badges that Labour MPs were wearing in the House today are RCN “Scrap the cap” badges.
Tory Johnny Mercer says he won’t vote for the amendment, even though he supports the end of the cap, because Labour are playing games and are trying to vote down the contents of the Queen’s Speech.
Correct, moron – that’s what Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition is actually FOR.
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Then Tory MP Jonny Mercer doesn't want or care to lift the cap on public sector pay
His vote and party politics are proof enough of that
His vote and party politics are proof enough of that