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I blame one K R Murdoch.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting right wing claim with some truth
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There was a long piece about this a month or two ago I remember reading - saying 'transition' doesn't mean anything unless you are completely clear about what you're transitioning to. The government seem to be using it to mean 'an extra few years to try to sort things out'.Tubby Isaacs wrote:A good point by Jolyon Maugham that I hadn't appreciated.
A transition period isn't extra time to negotiate stuff- it's a period when stuff is transitioning to what's been agreed by the time we leave in March 2019.
This is scary.
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The EU said at a very early stage that a transition period would only be agreed to if they knew the outline of the system we were transitioning to. Nothing new there, just more evidence that our representatives aren't listening to the other side.
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It's very sad to write 'the other side' there.
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I see that the utterly execrable Kevin Myers is now a ST columnist, then. I presume Rupe wanted somebody who would actually make Rod Liddle look good in comparison??
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Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?
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The other thing on the transitional time is that each of the other 27 have to agree to allow it, it's not just down to Michel Barnier.gilsey wrote:The EU said at a very early stage that a transition period would only be agreed to if they knew the outline of the system we were transitioning to. Nothing new there, just more evidence that our representatives aren't listening to the other side.
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As I said last night, he wasn't the only person taken in by it (in many cases all too willingly, I have to suspect)howsillyofme1 wrote:Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?
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UK government 'not in the right mental space' over border
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Don't know he just relentlessly links to varying degrees of right wing newspapers/magazines that I have laughed at before.
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Had just posted a comment when the article was deleted but one of the comments btl in response to another said:AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that the utterly execrable Kevin Myers is now a ST columnist, then. I presume Rupe wanted somebody who would actually make Rod Liddle look good in comparison??
I generally find the Times & ST nowhere near as bad as the Telegraph but employing a known anti-Semite as columnist does them no favours whatsoever.@Simon Hargreaves Oh Simon, Oh Simon, oh Simon. You have only just discovered Kevin Meyers! He writes for The Times on a weekly basis I think. We (in Ireland) have had to live with Kevin for the past 30 years. You can be assured that whatever the sane and rational perspective on any given story, Kevin will always find an opposite and controversial angle, deliberately designed to provoke outrage. Sexism (and in this article anti-semitism, appealing to the old and worn Shylock stereotype of Jews) are just the tip of the iceberg. Welcome to the world of Kevin.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:As I said last night, he wasn't the only person taken in by it (in many cases all too willingly, I have to suspect)howsillyofme1 wrote:Has Hugo admitted to linking to a spoof article yet...or shown any inclination to a t least say 'whoops!'?
Haven't we all at some point AK.....that is just how it is sometimes
This particular poster always seems to be happy to project an air of superiority - a quick 'whoops!' would suffice, as most people would have done if it was pointed out they had posted a link to a spoof
Or does he actually challenge that it is a spoof?
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Jews like money innit.“I note that two of the best-paid women presenters in the BBC - Claudia Winkleman and Vanessa Feltz, with whose, no doubt, sterling work I am tragically unacquainted - are Jewish. Good for them. Jews are not generally noted for their insistence on selling their talent for the lowest possible price, which is the most useful measure there is of inveterate, lost-with-all-hands stupidity. I wonder, who are their agents?”
This exact trope has got Jews mass murdered, on more than one occasion in history. How did this get published?
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Exactly, yes.adam wrote:There was a long piece about this a month or two ago I remember reading - saying 'transition' doesn't mean anything unless you are completely clear about what you're transitioning to. The government seem to be using it to mean 'an extra few years to try to sort things out'.Tubby Isaacs wrote:A good point by Jolyon Maugham that I hadn't appreciated.
A transition period isn't extra time to negotiate stuff- it's a period when stuff is transitioning to what's been agreed by the time we leave in March 2019.
This is scary.
This is a good piece from Flip Chart Rick.
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Rick compares Brexit to be being in an office where you've been told to redesign the structures and systems, but can't get a proper answer about what the redesign is supposed to achieve. After a while a new manager comes in and says you've just got to get on with it, and you do, but soon you realize you still need a plan.
A Brexiter shows up and ridicules planning. Another poster hilariously compares him to David Brent trying to explain away why he hasn't done some planning job he's been told to do.
As with the best Brexiters, there's a bizarre analogy chucked in, involving Microsoft and Apple. If you think it's bizarre, that speaks volumes about you, apparently. Never mind, there's another analogy coming along- The Soviet Union. I always wonder how many Latvians muddle up the USSR and the EU.
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I think that Brexit guy there is Douglas Carswell.
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It's like being at sea, the weather so mercurial
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Please keep yourself warm, hydrated, well-fed and safe.PorFavor wrote:Night night.citizenJA wrote:Goodnight, everyone
love,
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And (a bit late - I've just caught up) freezing cold and peeing down here. Not much intermittent about it, either. It's been like it for several days now.
I love watching and hiking all kinds of weather.
Cold rain can make past injuries hurt, work more difficult and traffic challenging.
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Keep warm and sound off if you require assistance.AngryAsWell wrote:Same herecitizenJA wrote:Has everyone else experienced the drop in temperature and lashing rain the last twenty-four hours or so? It's been intermittent, the rain and cold. West Midlands, me.
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Charles Tannock's had two pops at Daniel Hannan today.
Those Tory MEP meetings must have been interesting.
Those Tory MEP meetings must have been interesting.
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Just come across this fool. "Once of the New Schools Network".
He''s a staunch Brexiter. Didn't like the suggestion that Kent didn't think through the consequences.
Just come across this fool. "Once of the New Schools Network".
He''s a staunch Brexiter. Didn't like the suggestion that Kent didn't think through the consequences.
But what's this?Roland Stewart @rolandvstewart 53m
They did think of those. They just had enough courage to think 'my country is slightly more important than a lorry queue'
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Vast maj of Labour members (indeed voters generally) will invariably have no idea what Single market and Customs Union are. Meaningless.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Hugo, you do know that's a spoof, don't you ?SpinningHugo wrote:Richard Burgon writes
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Burgon is the shadow Lord Chancellor.
Suckered me. All too plausible.
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London couple just told me that since Boris left, London has become a scarier city, feel as though they are living in midst of crime wave
Last full year of "Boris"- murders rose from 83 to 118. Of course 83 was very low, but Khan inheritied an upward trend.
She also thinks that in 90s London, pollution masks were "the norm".
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I would take a bet that most voters are not able to explain what the Single Market and the Custom's Union entail, especially for non-EU participants
The fact that people keep shouting 'Norway' as if it was some done deal which we just have to say we want just exemplifies this
The fact that people keep shouting 'Norway' as if it was some done deal which we just have to say we want just exemplifies this
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The bookies refused to take my bet on the subsequent response stakes.
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I thought you were an eminent lawyer.....and you could not see through such an obvious spoof? Wow....
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Kevin Myers has apparently been sacked by the Sunday Times
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Fantastic. Off to Spiked.
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I'll take it MrA.........HindleA wrote:The bookies refused to take my bet on the subsequent response stakes.
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Good to see the despicable creature go but who let that get into the paper?
Heads higher up need to go as well
Heads higher up need to go as well
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Major issues - what would a good EU look like?:
globalisation
and our cultural failure to overcome in/out-group hostility
technological unemployment
consumer demand for lowest costs keeps wages low
security
individualism/populism
aristocracy and its post-revolutionary equivalent
(one law for the rich)
globalisation
and our cultural failure to overcome in/out-group hostility
technological unemployment
consumer demand for lowest costs keeps wages low
security
individualism/populism
aristocracy and its post-revolutionary equivalent
(one law for the rich)
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Why Brits hate the ECJ (or do we)?
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Former Home Secretary Charles Clarke rejects May’s analysis entirely: “I certainly don’t hate the ECJ and I believe that at least 95 percent of the British people don’t give a toss about the ECJ, of which probably 75 percent haven’t the slightest idea what it is,” he said.
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Bring back Doggerland.9. It has ‘Europe’ in the title
Many people are confused about the difference between the ECJ — which enforces EU law — and the European Court of Human Rights, which is based in Strasbourg and was established by the European Convention on Human Rights.
Unpopular, and well publicized, judgments about allowing prisoners the right to vote and preventing terrorists being deported are often attributed to the wrong court, according to Barnard. “There is some confusion between the courts and again it reinforces this narrative of external control over internal affairs,” she said.
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Am heartily sick of our absurd island mentality. The Brits need to get out more.
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#completegibberish
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Softy monks say Danes not dangerous but clue's in the name. Dane-gerous! Must've thought we were stupid to not see that! WRONG, LOSERS.
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Softy monks say Danes not dangerous but clue's in the name. Dane-gerous! Must've thought we were stupid to not see that! WRONG, LOSERS.
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A very good point, just as those who have deemed K T Hopkins a worthwhile journalistic exercise should have questions to answer.howsillyofme1 wrote:Good to see the despicable creature go but who let that get into the paper?
Heads higher up need to go as well
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The Bank’s maintenance, security and hospitality staff are to strike in a dispute over pay
The Bank of England will hold last-ditch talks with the UK’s largest trade union on Monday as the central bank attempts to avert its first strike in 50 years.
The stoppage has been called over a below-inflation pay offer to the Bank’s maintenance, security and hospitality staff, and was originally due to begin on Monday. However, the action has been delayed for a day to allow late talks via the conciliation service, Acas, and is now scheduled to last between Tuesday and Thursday if talks fail.
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Considering that as a prominent Brexiteer, Gisela will have a high% of brexit followers the reply's to this thread are quite telling.
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Anyone come across an irritating Lexiter called Paul Embery of the FBU?
When the £350m a week lie is brought up, he responds with "what about the Osborne punishment budget?" Philip Hammond's budget sounded quite punishing. It had £122bn Brexit black hole in it.
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You won, get over it.
As such it's your brexit, not mine. You are wholly responsible for the enormous damage it is already causing, not me.
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