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Friday 8th September 2017
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A bad night for the Tories in by-elections. Plenty for Anatoly to get his teeth into I reckon
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The prime minister’s words on the ‘just about managing’ resonated, but she’s done little to help them and her credibility is running out
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Morning all.
Theresa May Accused Of ‘Rigging Parliament’ With New Move To Give Tories Majority On Legislation
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Theresa May Accused Of ‘Rigging Parliament’ With New Move To Give Tories Majority On Legislation
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... f68a04?9fg
Well, who'd have thunk it eh?Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.
In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab” ahead of Brexit and beyond, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.
A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.
The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.
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She could get hoist by her own petard here. Imagine how the Lords will interpret the Salisbury Convention if she goes ahead with this!RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Theresa May Accused Of ‘Rigging Parliament’ With New Move To Give Tories Majority On Legislation
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... f68a04?9fg
Well, who'd have thunk it eh?Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.
In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab” ahead of Brexit and beyond, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.
A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.
The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.
It's already unclear whether they will feel able to vote down legislation, but if they see the Commons abusing its power they will act I suspect.
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Interesting points re the committee stitch-up and others.
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Posted by Robert Peston on that facebook...
Early next week we will learn whether Theresa May can govern - when she faces two life-or-death votes, both of which are seen by her opponents as outrageous attempts to rig our democracy.
The first vote is on the second reading of the European Union (Withdrawal) bill, which would give ministers unprecedented power to make laws without consulting parliament.
The second vote, disclosed by HuffPost, would guarantee this minority government a majority on important legislative and scrutiny committees.
The two initiatives are connected - in that the most discussed compromise to soften the undemocratic impact of the EU (Withdrawal) Bill would be to create a new committee or use an existing one to oversee which EU-related laws are translated into pure British law without the involvement of parliament.
But obviously such a new committee would be a fig leaf if it contained a majority of May yes-people.
So although it looked yesterday as though most Tory critics of May's approach to Brexit would not side with Labour in Monday night's EU bill vote, those critics will have to think again.
In giving May a majority on the second reading, Brexit-wary Conservative MPs such as Grieve, Morgan and Soubry could find themselves undermining their own plan to effectively protect MPs' rights through later amendments to the bill - because Tuesday's attempt to rig the composition of parliamentary committees would demolish any such protection (forgive the Lewis Carroll logic here - such is parliament).
Having lost her majority in the general election she chose to call, for a whole May talked the talk of reflecting the will of the people by trying to work consensually with MPs of other parties.
It is now a case of consensus conshmensus. With the aid of her most important minister, the wily chief whip, Williamson, she will attempt to rule by diktat via the gaming of parliamentary rules.
She has returned back from holiday with the spirit of the Venezuelan approach to democracy seemingly coursing through her veins.
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I love the little "Corbyn is still saving them" at the endRogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting points re the committee stitch-up and others.
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Tee heeRogerOThornhill wrote:Posted by Robert Peston on that facebook...
Early next week we will learn whether Theresa May can govern - when she faces two life-or-death votes, both of which are seen by her opponents as outrageous attempts to rig our democracy.
The first vote is on the second reading of the European Union (Withdrawal) bill, which would give ministers unprecedented power to make laws without consulting parliament.
The second vote, disclosed by HuffPost, would guarantee this minority government a majority on important legislative and scrutiny committees.
The two initiatives are connected - in that the most discussed compromise to soften the undemocratic impact of the EU (Withdrawal) Bill would be to create a new committee or use an existing one to oversee which EU-related laws are translated into pure British law without the involvement of parliament.
But obviously such a new committee would be a fig leaf if it contained a majority of May yes-people.
So although it looked yesterday as though most Tory critics of May's approach to Brexit would not side with Labour in Monday night's EU bill vote, those critics will have to think again.
In giving May a majority on the second reading, Brexit-wary Conservative MPs such as Grieve, Morgan and Soubry could find themselves undermining their own plan to effectively protect MPs' rights through later amendments to the bill - because Tuesday's attempt to rig the composition of parliamentary committees would demolish any such protection (forgive the Lewis Carroll logic here - such is parliament).
Having lost her majority in the general election she chose to call, for a whole May talked the talk of reflecting the will of the people by trying to work consensually with MPs of other parties.
It is now a case of consensus conshmensus. With the aid of her most important minister, the wily chief whip, Williamson, she will attempt to rule by diktat via the gaming of parliamentary rules.
She has returned back from holiday with the spirit of the Venezuelan approach to democracy seemingly coursing through her veins.
I'm not sure I understand Peston here though.
Why can't the Remainer Tories vote through the Rebel Rat Pillage if they are sure they can vote down the Committee membership one the day after?
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Cycling to see brother in South Norwood,Selhurst Park,sharing with Charlton,Speaker Weatherhill,The Ship,meandering cycling,occasionally getting lost for a day or so.
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Enjoy!HindleA wrote:Cycling to see brother in South Norwood,Selhurst Park,sharing with Charlton,Speaker Weatherhill,The Ship,meandering cycling,occasionally getting lost for a day or so.
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An eighties rememberance and tenuous link to local election result.Brother now in Brussels(.As far as I can gather The Ship is now closed)
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Apparently JRM's views on abortion - including presumably that of no circumstances allowalce even in cases of rape are "unremarkable"
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Yes I see the historical references nowHindleA wrote:An eighties rememberance and tenuous link to local election result.Brother now in Brussels(.As far as I can gather The Ship is now closed)
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Just noticed this detail. A one vote win!
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Sudbury South (Babergh) result:
LAB: 42.7% (+16.3)
CON: 42.6% (+5.3)
LDEM: 14.7% (+1.6)
One vote majority.
No UKIP and Grn as prev.
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Sudbury South (Babergh) result:
LAB: 42.7% (+16.3)
CON: 42.6% (+5.3)
LDEM: 14.7% (+1.6)
One vote majority.
No UKIP and Grn as prev.
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Thanks to RebeccaRiots for spotting this one
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Tory pledge to fund apprenticeships from £200m Libor fines unfulfilled, says NAO
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Tory pledge to fund apprenticeships from £200m Libor fines unfulfilled, says NAO
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It's about time Montgomerie had some competition for most consistently, profoundly thick and ignorant right-wing bubble-dwelling fucktrumpet.RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently JRM's views on abortion - including presumably that of no circumstances allowalce even in cases of rape are "unremarkable"
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Boris Johnson has "absolutely rock-solid confidence" in David Davis (Sky TV news).
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UK exports outside EU fall despite weak pound
Britain’s efforts to expand trade in goods beyond the European Union’s border took a knock in July after official figures showed the deficit with the rest of the world widened following a drop in exports.
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UK exports outside EU fall despite weak pound
Britain’s efforts to expand trade in goods beyond the European Union’s border took a knock in July after official figures showed the deficit with the rest of the world widened following a drop in exports.
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Sadiq Khan housing strategy displays pragmatism and grip
Sadiq Khan housing strategy displays pragmatism and grip
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And another one bites the dust......
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Last result from yesterday was another Tory loss, to Independents in Herefordshire on a big swing.
Had Labour not fallen just short in the Staffs CC contest due to a strong Green showing, it would have been a near perfect set of results.
I do hope to produce a full write-up.......eventually.
Had Labour not fallen just short in the Staffs CC contest due to a strong Green showing, it would have been a near perfect set of results.
I do hope to produce a full write-up.......eventually.
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Wow.
WCAT to give away all 21 of its schools
http://schoolsweek.co.uk/wcat-to-give-a ... 1-schools/
WCAT to give away all 21 of its schools
http://schoolsweek.co.uk/wcat-to-give-a ... 1-schools/
Took on 5 new schools in 2016 - 2 of which were converters i.e. joined voluntarily. What must they be thinking now?The Wakefield City Academies Trust is giving up all 21 of its schools, shocking staff, parents and pupils as the first term of the 2017-18 school year begins.
A statement from the trust’s board said that after a “robust period of review and evaluation of all aspects of the organisation”, it had “requested that the Department for Education work with [its board] to place our academies with new sponsors”.
A new board was appointed as recently as July 2016 to address “significant challenges”, particularly concerning “the quality of education provision”.
The trust “does not have the capacity to facilitate the rapid improvement our academies need and our students deserve”, the statement continued.
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Apparently, Theresa May is watching the cricket today (although I think it's now rained off). And I say, "Why not?" - it's not as if there's anything more pressing requiring her attention. Although she does have to attend a COBRA meeting later today (how bloody inconvenient - can't Amber Rudd do it?) re the response to the hurricane.
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https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017 ... l-with-dupCourt to hear challenge to Theresa May's £1bn deal with DUP
Northern Irish Green activist spearheads crowdfunded case, arguing deal breaches Good Friday agreement and Bribery Act (Guardian)
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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Tbh, one of the few things Davis has to be said for him is that he isn't JohnsonPorFavor wrote:Boris Johnson has "absolutely rock-solid confidence" in David Davis (Sky TV news).
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The fourth industrial revolution can benefit everyone, but only if unions are involved
The fourth industrial revolution can benefit everyone, but only if unions are involved
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Tucked away at the bottom of this Mirror article on Universal Credit is a reference to a recently launched Audit Office inquiry. What are the chances its findings will be as quietly reported as its launch?Yesterday, the National Audit Office launched an official inquiry into the failed policy. New figures from Citizens Advice show 39% of people on UC had to wait more than seven weeks for help, some more than 10.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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Does Betsy DeVos care more about those accused of rape than its victims?
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Does Betsy DeVos care more about those accused of rape than its victims?
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I'm guessing that the Bribery Act bit there is a complete non-starter. MPs are supposed to drive a hard bargain for their constituencies. Getting money for them in return for supporting the government isn't bribery.PorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017 ... l-with-dupCourt to hear challenge to Theresa May's £1bn deal with DUP
Northern Irish Green activist spearheads crowdfunded case, arguing deal breaches Good Friday agreement and Bribery Act (Guardian)
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I can still recall those glorious days in the mid-90s when the mere presence of John Major seemed to be enough to jinx usPorFavor wrote:Apparently, Theresa May is watching the cricket today
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Unbelievable. The people who doubtless made big promises to the 5 schools were gone by the Summer holidays. Then one more year, more Summer holidays, back to school, and the whole trust gives up.RogerOThornhill wrote:Wow.
WCAT to give away all 21 of its schools
http://schoolsweek.co.uk/wcat-to-give-a ... 1-schools/
Took on 5 new schools in 2016 - 2 of which were converters i.e. joined voluntarily. What must they be thinking now?The Wakefield City Academies Trust is giving up all 21 of its schools, shocking staff, parents and pupils as the first term of the 2017-18 school year begins.
A statement from the trust’s board said that after a “robust period of review and evaluation of all aspects of the organisation”, it had “requested that the Department for Education work with [its board] to place our academies with new sponsors”.
A new board was appointed as recently as July 2016 to address “significant challenges”, particularly concerning “the quality of education provision”.
The trust “does not have the capacity to facilitate the rapid improvement our academies need and our students deserve”, the statement continued.
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Apparently,Activate have regained their twitter account and officially launch in October.There is a video link to that effect.If you look very carefully you can see Toby flicking fingers in the background and those with good hearing my thoughts in a passing bus.
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HindleA wrote:Apparently,Activate have regained their twitter account and officially launch in October.There is a video link to that effect.If you look very carefully you can see Toby flicking fingers in the background and those with good hearing my thoughts in a passing bus.
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(If it is where I think it is)
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I would send Lenny to investigate.....
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Tory backbencher letter is batshit. Wants the UK be able to pull out of any deal with the EU unilaterally. I can't see the problem with that, oh no.
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Not *that* many appear to have signed it thus far, though?
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Government accused of breaking promise on school uniform cost
Government accused of breaking promise on school uniform cost
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Even the green ones don't seem to be doing much.